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No this isn't about what I've experienced or what everyone has experienced. I think it is worth discussion how some positions are considered gender oppressive and hyper-masculine-heteronormative-sexuality and some are not. I've heard too many of my friends and acquaintances (and once from myself) taking too much grief over the simple pleasure of having sex from behind.
This isn't about how doing blatantly demeaning sexual acts is okay, rather, how something as well accepted among men as doggy-style is regarded as demeaning by pseudo-feminist thought. Why should I feel guilty because I or anyone enjoy a particular sexual position? Sure if that one partner dislikes it, but to be looked down upon for it.
So, please discuss. What is wrong with doggy-style? How is it demeaning? Is it possibly just boring? Would it be better if the TV were on while Nick-at-Nite was on? Are you offended that I'm posting this? Given that this forum is saturated in male thought, this is a topic that we can all handle while still respecting each other. And I'm comfortable with receiving negative criticism toward my view point.
What are the borders of where sex becomes demeaning, and where is it just a sharing between partners?
What the fuck? How is Doggy Style demeaning? Isn't it more or less Reverse Cowgirl in a standing/kneeling position vs. a resting position?
Yeah, I've never heard anyone, feminist or otherwise, argue that doggy-style was demeaning.
I could see it being awkward or uncomfortable if there's too great of a height disparity between the two people (as there was between me and my last girlfriend), but demeaning? What the shit?
What the fuck? How is Doggy Style demeaning? Isn't it more or less Reverse Cowgirl in a standing/kneeling position vs. a resting position?
Yeah, I've never heard anyone, feminist or otherwise, argue that doggy-style was demeaning.
No, really -- I've heard from some women that doggy-style isn't exactly what they go in for. It's definitely been something of a sticking point, or a taboo, in some relationships.
I could see it being awkward or uncomfortable if there's too great of a height disparity between the two people (as there was between me and my last girlfriend), but demeaning? What the shit?
Minor logistical problem, easily overcome with furniture and a little bit of ingenuity.
It's much easier than 69 with a height disparity.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
What the fuck? How is Doggy Style demeaning? Isn't it more or less Reverse Cowgirl in a standing/kneeling position vs. a resting position?
Yeah, I've never heard anyone, feminist or otherwise, argue that doggy-style was demeaning.
No, really -- I've heard from some women that doggy-style isn't exactly what they go in for. It's definitely been something of a sticking point, or a taboo, in some relationships.
Not liking it is one thing.
Finding it demeaning is another.
Even then, most women I've known like doggy style. It's sometimes the only way the curve of your penis can hit the G spot depending on how you're each built.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
But in order for it to be worth talking about, I'm going to want to see some evidence that this is actually a position that a significant number of people hold. Like, even one link to some feminist blog or something.
Yeah. "some other people who aren't me think X" are always boring threads because they're basically a strawman from the word 'go'.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
Ummmm ... welll ... I'm telling you, I've had some intimate relationships, and in some of them the topic of doggy-style has been something that required discussion.
I'm glad that all you men are back-slapping each other and talking about what a ridiculous position it is to take, but coming from the position that I've actually been with some women, I've had some experiences where this wasn't just a "non" issue.
But in order for it to be worth talking about, I'm going to want to see some evidence that this is actually a position that a significant number of people hold. Like, even one link to some feminist blog or something.
Yeah. "some other people who aren't me think X" are always boring threads because they're basically a strawman from the word 'go'.
In this case: all women apparently have a problem getting pegged from behind while in a kneeling stance.
This isn't a troll thread is it? As a female, I have never heard this being a problem at all with the normal women I talk with. Also, most traditional hard ass feminists are far more concerned about "extreme" sexual acts like rape, gang bangs and some of the less tasteful porn that's out there rather then common sexual positions.
Maybe the women you talked with don't have a lot of experience with the position or something. Or they're really young and don't have much sexual experience. I seriously can't think of why else they would have an issue with it.
Hmm, I suppose it puts them in a more vulnerable position and is the position in which hair pulling occurs (most), which can be seen as demeaning. Then there's stuff like the dreaded donkey punch, but unless the guy's an ass in the first place it's a non-issue.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited October 2007
Doggy style certainly isn't for the times when you feel in the mood for "sweet lovemaking", but it certainly serves its purposes when you want to both be covered in sweat, completely exhausted and drained, and cause your neighbours to buy out all nearby stock of earplugs.
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Hmm, I suppose it puts them in a more vulnerable position and is the position in which hair pulling occurs (most), which can be seen as demeaning. Then there's stuff like the dreaded donkey punch, but unless the guy's an ass in the first place it's a non-issue.
My ex actually liked having her hair pulled when we did it doggy style. Really got her motor turning.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
Hmm, I suppose it puts them in a more vulnerable position and is the position in which hair pulling occurs (most), which can be seen as demeaning. Then there's stuff like the dreaded donkey punch, but unless the guy's an ass in the first place it's a non-issue.
My ex actually liked having her hair pulled when we did it doggy style. Really got her motor turning.
While I'm sure most girls don't appreciate having their hair pulled in such a manner as girls would if they were fighting at a young age, there is one way to pull hair that, without fail, each one of the seven girls I've been with has liked. There are more I've been with that didn't escalate to sex.
Basically to describe the spot, put your hand on the back of your neck, palm resting against your neck, with your fingers splayed, and push your hand up into your hair until you feel hair tickling the spots between your fingers. Grasp firmly and pull. You should feel your head being pulled back, without any pain whatsoever, just a sensation of pulling.
Every girl I've ever done this to has gotten off on it, especially when it was combined with kissing their neck or just beneath their ear. Especially during sex, but also during foreplay, or even just during kissing.
Maybe the women you talked with don't have a lot of experience with the position or something. Or they're really young and don't have much sexual experience. I seriously can't think of why else they would have an issue with it.
I'm going with that bolded part there. I can't imagine anyone (man or woman) thinking this way for any reason other than romanticized inexperience.
This isn't a troll thread is it? As a female, I have never heard this being a problem at all with the normal women I talk with. Also, most traditional hard ass feminists are far more concerned about "extreme" sexual acts like rape, gang bangs and some of the less tasteful porn that's out there rather then common sexual positions.
Maybe the women you talked with don't have a lot of experience with the position or something. Or they're really young and don't have much sexual experience. I seriously can't think of why else they would have an issue with it.
To be honest , the conversations I've had with women and one partner in regards to doggy-style were from women who were sexually experienced. I must say that they also had vegan and Ani Difranco leanings -- I did live in a little white hippie college town for four years.
No women from traditional middleamerica ever would have any complaints about it. Although there was mention made once about being insecure about how her ass looked -- which is pretty understandable.
This isn't a troll thread is it? As a female, I have never heard this being a problem at all with the normal women I talk with. Also, most traditional hard ass feminists are far more concerned about "extreme" sexual acts like rape, gang bangs and some of the less tasteful porn that's out there rather then common sexual positions.
Maybe the women you talked with don't have a lot of experience with the position or something. Or they're really young and don't have much sexual experience. I seriously can't think of why else they would have an issue with it.
To be honest , the conversations I've had with women and one partner in regards to doggy-style were from women who were sexually experienced. I must say that they also had vegan and Ani Difranco leanings -- I did live in a little white hippie college town for four years.
No women from traditional middleamerica ever would have any complaints about it. Although there was mention made once about being insecure about how her ass looked -- which is pretty understandable.
I guess my experiences have been different then. I'm not giving any names, but I go to one of the most infamously liberal/hippie schools in the U.S that has really large feminist community and queer community. And I honestly have never heard any complaints about doggy style. Most of the feminists (studentwise) are extremely liberal when it comes to sex. Hell my school even has administration approved viewings of porn on a regular bases.
edit: I understand that people worry about their appearances when it comes to sex, but I honestly hope an individual's insecurities would not prohbit them from trying different things.
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Rear Admiral ChocoI wanna be an owl, Jerry!Owl York CityRegistered Userregular
edited October 2007
How can doggy-style possibly be demeaning? It's one of the best ways to pleasure the both of you.
Yeah, I've never heard anyone, feminist or otherwise, argue that doggy-style was demeaning.
You know, I want to say I heard some such bullshit. Like once. Ever. I don't doubt that over the years at least a few have taken this position.
But in order for it to be worth talking about, I'm going to want to see some evidence that this is actually a position that a significant number of people hold. Like, even one link to some feminist blog or something.
Its not a feminist position, but you'll see a lot of fundies getting pretty specific about what's okay and what's not wrt sexual conduct.
No this isn't about what I've experienced or what everyone has experienced. I think it is worth discussion how some positions are considered gender oppressive and hyper-masculine-heteronormative-sexuality and some are not. I've heard too many of my friends and acquaintances (and once from myself) taking too much grief over the simple pleasure of having sex from behind.
I'm willing to bet that's more about failure to reach-around than anything else.
How can doggy-style possibly be demeaning? It's one of the best ways to pleasure the both of you.
Not for me, although I don't dislike it. I'm willing to call it one of the more... high-risk, I guess, positions, physically speaking, and I can see why some women would be uncomfortable with it - the OP really overstates the degree and prevalence of objection, though. And reading jokes about donkey punching and stuff has the potential to ruin the mood a bit, especially with a new partner, because a) what kind of raving fucktard actually finds that funny and b) you haven't had time to figure out whether that's the case with this guy or not.
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Yeah, I've never heard anyone, feminist or otherwise, argue that doggy-style was demeaning.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Minor logistical problem, easily overcome with furniture and a little bit of ingenuity.
It's much easier than 69 with a height disparity.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Not liking it is one thing.
Finding it demeaning is another.
Even then, most women I've known like doggy style. It's sometimes the only way the curve of your penis can hit the G spot depending on how you're each built.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Yeah. "some other people who aren't me think X" are always boring threads because they're basically a strawman from the word 'go'.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I'm glad that all you men are back-slapping each other and talking about what a ridiculous position it is to take, but coming from the position that I've actually been with some women, I've had some experiences where this wasn't just a "non" issue.
Let me be the first to say this; man wut?
I'm sure some women, somewhere have a problem getting pegged from behind while in a kneeling stance. I can only conjecture why.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
I'm sitting here a bit perplexed and trying to work out in my head how doggy style could be considered demeaning.
I've talked to some women about this and it has been an issue with them in their sex lives.
Maybe the women you talked with don't have a lot of experience with the position or something. Or they're really young and don't have much sexual experience. I seriously can't think of why else they would have an issue with it.
I bet you feel foolish. :P
EDIT: I guess what I'm looking for here is an explanation detailing how it's degrading.
While I'm sure most girls don't appreciate having their hair pulled in such a manner as girls would if they were fighting at a young age, there is one way to pull hair that, without fail, each one of the seven girls I've been with has liked. There are more I've been with that didn't escalate to sex.
Basically to describe the spot, put your hand on the back of your neck, palm resting against your neck, with your fingers splayed, and push your hand up into your hair until you feel hair tickling the spots between your fingers. Grasp firmly and pull. You should feel your head being pulled back, without any pain whatsoever, just a sensation of pulling.
Every girl I've ever done this to has gotten off on it, especially when it was combined with kissing their neck or just beneath their ear. Especially during sex, but also during foreplay, or even just during kissing.
Am I missing something?
http://forums.penny-arcade.com/showthread.php?p=3114977#post3114977 :?:
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I agree.
To be honest , the conversations I've had with women and one partner in regards to doggy-style were from women who were sexually experienced. I must say that they also had vegan and Ani Difranco leanings -- I did live in a little white hippie college town for four years.
No women from traditional middleamerica ever would have any complaints about it. Although there was mention made once about being insecure about how her ass looked -- which is pretty understandable.
I guess my experiences have been different then. I'm not giving any names, but I go to one of the most infamously liberal/hippie schools in the U.S that has really large feminist community and queer community. And I honestly have never heard any complaints about doggy style. Most of the feminists (studentwise) are extremely liberal when it comes to sex. Hell my school even has administration approved viewings of porn on a regular bases.
edit: I understand that people worry about their appearances when it comes to sex, but I honestly hope an individual's insecurities would not prohbit them from trying different things.
Its not a feminist position, but you'll see a lot of fundies getting pretty specific about what's okay and what's not wrt sexual conduct.
I'm willing to bet that's more about failure to reach-around than anything else.
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