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ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
edited October 2007 in Social Entropy++
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/oct/06/genetics.climatechange

"I am creating artificial life, declares US gene pioneer"
Craig Venter, the controversial DNA researcher involved in the race to decipher the human genetic code, has built a synthetic chromosome out of laboratory chemicals and is poised to announce the creation of the first new artificial life form on Earth.

The announcement, which is expected within weeks and could come as early as Monday at the annual meeting of his scientific institute in San Diego, California, will herald a giant leap forward in the development of designer genomes. It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

Mr Venter told the Guardian he thought this landmark would be "a very important philosophical step in the history of our species. We are going from reading our genetic code to the ability to write it. That gives us the hypothetical ability to do things never contemplated before".

The Guardian can reveal that a team of 20 top scientists assembled by Mr Venter, led by the Nobel laureate Hamilton Smith, has already constructed a synthetic chromosome, a feat of virtuoso bio-engineering never previously achieved. Using lab-made chemicals, they have painstakingly stitched together a chromosome that is 381 genes long and contains 580,000 base pairs of genetic code.

The DNA sequence is based on the bacterium Mycoplasma genitalium which the team pared down to the bare essentials needed to support life, removing a fifth of its genetic make-up. The wholly synthetically reconstructed chromosome, which the team have christened Mycoplasma laboratorium, has been watermarked with inks for easy recognition.

It is then transplanted into a living bacterial cell and in the final stage of the process it is expected to take control of the cell and in effect become a new life form. The team of scientists has already successfully transplanted the genome of one type of bacterium into the cell of another, effectively changing the cell's species. Mr Venter said he was "100% confident" the same technique would work for the artificially created chromosome.

The new life form will depend for its ability to replicate itself and metabolise on the molecular machinery of the cell into which it has been injected, and in that sense it will not be a wholly synthetic life form. However, its DNA will be artificial, and it is the DNA that controls the cell and is credited with being the building block of life.

Mr Venter said he had carried out an ethical review before completing the experiment. "We feel that this is good science," he said. He has further heightened the controversy surrounding his potential breakthrough by applying for a patent for the synthetic bacterium.

Pat Mooney, director of a Canadian bioethics organisation, ETC group, said the move was an enormous challenge to society to debate the risks involved. "Governments, and society in general, is way behind the ball. This is a wake-up call - what does it mean to create new life forms in a test-tube?"

He said Mr Venter was creating a "chassis on which you could build almost anything. It could be a contribution to humanity such as new drugs or a huge threat to humanity such as bio-weapons".

Mr Venter believes designer genomes have enormous positive potential if properly regulated. In the long-term, he hopes they could lead to alternative energy sources previously unthinkable. Bacteria could be created, he speculates, that could help mop up excessive carbon dioxide, thus contributing to the solution to global warming, or produce fuels such as butane or propane made entirely from sugar.

"We are not afraid to take on things that are important just because they stimulate thinking," he said. "We are dealing in big ideas. We are trying to create a new value system for life. When dealing at this scale, you can't expect everybody to be happy."

tl;dr: guy is trying to basically make a new species

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I would have posted in the science thread if I were you but whatever.

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  • SoupSoup Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    this shit never ends well for us

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Butters wrote: »
    I would have posted in the science thread if I were you but whatever.

    science thread?

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  • GreenGreen Stick around. I'm full of bad ideas.Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Why do I feel like I'm in the prologue of 98% of sci-fi movies

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  • KilljoyKilljoy __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
  • PiptheFairPiptheFair Frequently not in boats. Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I call norn queen





    wait

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  • RaneadosRaneados police apologist you shouldn't have been there, obviouslyRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    dibs on god

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Goddammit, you KNOW that we're eventually going to fuck up and create something that systematically eradicates us.

    But that's the price of progress.

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  • <3<3 Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I thought this was going to be about starcraft.

    I'm disappointed.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Klaatu barada nikto

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    The thing about technology is that you absolutely cannot stop it from progressing. Someone will always figure out one more step.

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  • The Otaku SuppositoryThe Otaku Suppository Bawstan New EnglandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    species_ver1.jpg

    We are so boned.

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    IMPAWARDS.COM

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Oh shit, the imp awards. We're SO boned.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I can't wait for the reaction of the religious.

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    not just the imp awards

    the imp awards . com

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  • KilljoyKilljoy __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    I can't wait for the reaction of the religious.
    well you know the way they react to fossils, right

    "the devli's handiwork"

    To be fair, that Dr. P. D. Devli is a meticulous archaeologist.

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  • Captain CrunchCaptain Crunch Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Cool

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I wonder if graphite causes cancer.

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  • MeissnerdMeissnerd Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    This gives me a bad feeling, but it is pretty cool.

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  • The Otaku SuppositoryThe Otaku Suppository Bawstan New EnglandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Cancer causes cancer.

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  • ButtersButters A glass of some milks Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    MKR wrote: »
    I wonder if graphite causes cancer.

    my pencil never happens to be sharpened

    how cool is that

    it's not even mechanical either

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

    I just don't see why "global warming" had to be dropped into that. I mean, there are a zillion potential applications...why single out that one?

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

    ivent bacteria that create a civilization based on CO2 and then systematically exterminate them once they problem's over.

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  • The Otaku SuppositoryThe Otaku Suppository Bawstan New EnglandRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that


    Or create artificial human beings to serve as living batteries.

    Or make clones of Arnold Schwarzenegger only distinguishable from the originals by an orange spot under their eyelids.

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  • ZephyrZephyr Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Defender wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

    I just don't see why "global warming" had to be dropped into that. I mean, there are a zillion potential applications...why single out that one?

    maybe he's got a future political campaign planned

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  • KilljoyKilljoy __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

    ivent bacteria that create a civilization based on CO2 and then systematically exterminate them once they problem's over.

    You going Asimov on me?

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Malkor wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

    ivent bacteria that create a civilization based on CO2 and then systematically exterminate them once they problem's over.

    Invent bacteria that can maek gud poast in English.

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  • DefenderDefender Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Koshian wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

    I just don't see why "global warming" had to be dropped into that. I mean, there are a zillion potential applications...why single out that one?

    man, why do you keep starting debates in SE?

    DnD is the place for that

    Uh...no. SE++ is a perfectly fine place for it, and has been for the last, like, four years or whatever.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Defender wrote: »
    Malkor wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

    ivent bacteria that create a civilization based on CO2 and then systematically exterminate them once they problem's over.

    Invent bacteria that can maek gud poast in English.

    English is an evolving language. Don't be unfit.

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  • KilljoyKilljoy __BANNED USERS regular
    edited October 2007
    What would happen if everybody on the forum just temporarily agreed with Defender whenever he started something?

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Defender wrote: »
    Koshian wrote: »
    Defender wrote: »
    Zephyr wrote: »
    Butters wrote: »
    It is certain to provoke heated debate about the ethics of creating new species and could unlock the door to new energy sources and techniques to combat global warming.

    Wait...what?

    invent bacteria that eat up the excessive carbon dioxide in the atmosphere or something like that

    I just don't see why "global warming" had to be dropped into that. I mean, there are a zillion potential applications...why single out that one?

    man, why do you keep starting debates in SE?

    DnD is the place for that

    Uh...no. SE++ is a perfectly fine place for it, and has been for the last, like, four years or whatever.

    D&D for boring debates that spin wildly for 100 pages; SE++ for interesting discussions.

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