So, the pyro movie was really well done and the music was awesome, etc. etc., but I don't really get it. Is it just about being the only one on a server and being lonely and bored? Or is there some deep, insightful, profound meaning that I'm not getting?
It's a statement on life, really. People drift through our lives, but in the end, we're all alone. Alone.
Indeed. At the end of the day, even our worst enemies will abandon us, after pausing to yell incomprehensible things at us.
Seriously, what crazy moon-man language was the Scout speaking?
Had a ball last night guys, thanks for the teamplay. Much better than pubbing generally. I found myself both thanking and hating ash depending on wether he was on my team or not. Great teamplayer, saved my arse a few times when I was soldiering.
I was enjoying the hell out of sniping on the first 2fort map, it seemed like no one thought to duck very often, so off went their heads, and the opposing snipers weren't too much of a threat. Great fun.
It seem once I change to medic, I get really bossy. Anyway yeah good games all around last night, didn't find myself once cursing out loud. Except at myself for not following cardinal rule 1) If you ever get uber always kill the turret first.
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Are these not the same thing?
HoberShort on
"Games are made out of smaller games – turtles all the way down, until you hit the game that is so trivial and stupid it isn’t deserving of the name." -Raph Koster
The other day i noticed that people were looking for spy tips. Now that I have played spy long enough to learn the class I feel that I can give some tips to people who aren’t good at spy.
First off you need to know who and who not to disguise yourself as.
Obviously the first factor for determining this is the makeup of the other team, if they have 30 scouts, then scout might be a good idea.
Disguises to avoid almost all the time:
Spy:
95% of the time a spy is in a disguise so when people see you without one they know. Also I find that people tend to shoot at spies a lot regardless of their team.
Medic:
This can workout, but is harder and should only be attempted by more experienced spies. A medic is charging his uber 80% of the time he’s alive and if he has his needle gun out he’s shooting it not just standing there.
Disguises that almost always work:
Scout:
There are usually 2 or more scouts on a team running rampant and it’s easy to blend in most people overlook the fact that you’re slower then a normal scout.
Soldier:
Once again usually a lot on the field.
Pyro:
I would also add that Pyro is very useful as a spy, because they are rarely firing their weapon unless in close combat. Thus running around with enemies in sight but out of flame-thrower range looks less conspicuous than if you're holding a sniper rifle. Also, you don't take the speed penalty of moving soldier-slow, and you don't look funny to veterans because you're not double-jumping like a real scout would be.
Quoted from hobershort because he makes an excellent point, and i often disguise as pyro.
Engineer:
On maps where one side has to defend engineer is a good disguise but should be used away from the enemy turrets. Engineers are beating something with a wrench all the time, an engi standing with his shotgun out not repairing/building something sticks out.
Spy Tips:
Hey that guy has my name!:
Whatever class you are disguised as, a good rule of thumb is to avoid that class (unless there are a large amount of them in one area) this just cuts down on the chance you run into the guy whose name you’ve taken.
Fire = Bad:
Avoid Pyros when able since a quick spy check from a pyro = you’re fucked. Also if you’re trying to backstab someone and a pyro is nearby just spraying away, its best to find a new target.
Stay calm:
You are going to be spy checked there are several ways to handle it:
1) Cloak, run, and change disguise. This is a good way to stay alive but lets everyone know a spy is in the area.
2) Be cool. If someone spy checks you just keep acting like a normal player. Don’t run away or try to shoot or stab, most players don’t shoot enough to kill you they tend to stop after 1 or 2 shots. One they think you’re a friendly stab’em.
Milk an injury:
If your missing health, disguise yourself as some kind of attacking class and run back toward the enemy base screaming bloody murder (or medic in this case) this trick works for me 90% of the time and will get you an achievement.
Patience:
Just wait for that stab. If you rush things you’ll miss or get caught.
Don’t be obvious:
Things like running right at a person or walking directly behind someone is a give away that you’re a spy. A simple way to fool people is to face your team and back up or strafe toward the enemy you want to attack. It appears that you’re dodging enemy fire or running for your life rather then sneaking around. And for god’s sake, pretend to be afraid of your team.
And for the newbie spies out there, snipers are easy targets, they are to busy charging a shot to notice you stabbing them.
as always take everything with a grain of salt. what works for me may not work for you. and for those people who hate spies, read up and learn the class. The best way to beat them is to know how they work.
Witchdr on
"Look, all I know is that this cord was plugged into my house and your house was glowing like the freakin' sun. So, I put two and two together there and decided that you're pissing me off." -Carl Brutananadilewski
In regards to the advocates of his former empire: “I was going to have them all executed… the Royal Advocate talked me out of it.” -Shadowthrone (Emperor Kellanved)
It would be fine if sudden death helped the team with an advantage win. Yesterday on granary we were winning 4-1 but couldn't take the last point before time limit ran out, so we just fell back and let them take CP4 so we could immediately take it back. That is retarded. Maybe spawning should only stop for the team with fewer CPs or something.
Only one side respawning would help to discourage turtling during sudden death!
I would also add that Pyro is very useful as a spy, because they are rarely firing their weapon unless in close combat. Thus running around with enemies in sight but out of flame-thrower range looks less conspicuous than if you're holding a sniper rifle. Also, you don't take the speed penalty of moving soldier-slow, and you don't look funny to veterans because you're not double-jumping like a real scout would be.
HoberShort on
"Games are made out of smaller games – turtles all the way down, until you hit the game that is so trivial and stupid it isn’t deserving of the name." -Raph Koster
I find the spy to be the most rewarding class when you play it right.
The entire enemy team will hate your guts, and it just feels good.
Of course, if most of the enemy team are smart enough to do regular spy checks, you're fucked. Thankfully they are often too busy shooting their pew pew at enemies to notice me sneaking up behind them.
I think Medic is a pretty poor disguise for a Spy, as when you target a Medic it tells you their name and what % of charge their uber is that.
With spies as medics you only see their name, dead giveaway.
Yeah, I found this out too. I needed healing and ran back across the bridge in 2fort, yelling for a medic. There was one most of the way back across the bridge but he just stood there. When I got close, he ran the other way. I got him in my crosshairs and noticed that it only gave his name.
I had the pleasure of dominating 4 people at once in a match, one of which was my younger brother. I swear i heard him screaming from his college dorm :P
Witchdr on
"Look, all I know is that this cord was plugged into my house and your house was glowing like the freakin' sun. So, I put two and two together there and decided that you're pissing me off." -Carl Brutananadilewski
In regards to the advocates of his former empire: “I was going to have them all executed… the Royal Advocate talked me out of it.” -Shadowthrone (Emperor Kellanved)
LOL, spies are but tinder for my flame thrower. If I'm ever playing Pyro, I'm constantly lighting anything that moves on fire. Hell, I spray into random corners and shit in case a spy is stealthed. That sounds stupid and wasteful, but I've actually gotten a few kills this way.
I also never have to worry about them since spies tend not to get near the maniac spraying fire in every direction.
I do the same things as a soldier, but it's not nearly as amusing.
I got the funniest spy kill on the Pa server yesterday. I was running into the entrance to the enemy base and disguesed and ran rightinto a heavy. I panicked and stabbed him in the front twice. He must have been confused and started spinning up his chaingun. I quickly skirted around him and stabbed him in the back before he got a chance to shoot a single shot at me
On 2fort i was leaving the spawn CLOAKED and walked infront of a team mate and by some freak flash of bad luck took the headshot that was heading into my team mate behind me.
Edit: i swear i put this reply up before seeing the above post. And to the person above me, fuck you it was probably me.
Witchdr on
"Look, all I know is that this cord was plugged into my house and your house was glowing like the freakin' sun. So, I put two and two together there and decided that you're pissing me off." -Carl Brutananadilewski
In regards to the advocates of his former empire: “I was going to have them all executed… the Royal Advocate talked me out of it.” -Shadowthrone (Emperor Kellanved)
My most enjoyable spy kill was as a demoman. I launched a few nades right up into the air for no reason, as we were capping the middle point on well, and they fell right on a cloaked spy who promptly blew up behind us just as we capped the point.
Spies, in general, are very satisfying to kill
Zzulu on
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edited October 2007
Was playing Gravelpit last night as Red. HJUGE 8-man rush comes into A and I'm a pyro with an engineer in the CP. Two heavies uber. Well, shit. I jump near the CP and hide behind the little grey block near the CP. I hear the uber discharge. I quickly hop up and quickly slaughter 2 medics, 3 heavies, 2 soldiers and 1 s out. All the while I'm singing "Disco Inferno" over all-talk.
I also love it when enemy medics ubercharge you when you are a spy so you can just go to town with your shiv. You can just hear them cursing on the other side of the internet when they realize it
I remember during a Sudden Death match as a Scout, me and this Medic were the only people left against 4 of the other team. He Uber's me and I run in whacking people with my bat. It was glorious but it ended in a stalemate anyways.
I also love it when enemy medics ubercharge you when you are a spy so you can just go to town with your shiv. You can just hear them cursing on the other side of the internet when they realize it
Yeah but they can just switch uber when they notice. Personally I prefer to maintain the disguise and just run them right into the middle of my base not shooting anything.
Was playing Gravelpit last night as Red. HJUGE 8-man rush comes into A and I'm a pyro with an engineer in the CP. Two heavies uber. Well, shit. I jump near the CP and hide behind the little grey block near the CP. I hear the uber discharge. I quickly hop up and quickly slaughter 2 medics, 3 heavies, 2 soldiers and 1 s out. All the while I'm singing "Disco Inferno" over all-talk.
I also love it when enemy medics ubercharge you when you are a spy so you can just go to town with your shiv. You can just hear them cursing on the other side of the internet when they realize it
I've yet to see this personally, but in my mind I see this as possibly the most hilarious thing in TF2.
I accidentally shot a totally invisible spy in the face yesterday as a scout. Funniest thing I've seen in the game so far.
My best moment from last weekend was one of the wackier games where the opposing team was all spies, and I was a heavy.
I switched to fists and just started punching the air when I hit the contested cap point. I took out 3-4 invisible spies just swinging at nothing and spinning around. It was hilarious to watch them appear, dying, out of nowhere and fall to the ground.
MuddBudd on
There's no plan, there's no race to be run
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
I also love it when enemy medics ubercharge you when you are a spy so you can just go to town with your shiv. You can just hear them cursing on the other side of the internet when they realize it
Are you playing against legally retarded people? I mean I don't see how this is possible at all. I can see a medic accidentally healing a spy. That makes sense. I fail to see how the medic sees the guy he is healing poof out of a disguise, spy starts stabbing teammates, and he continues to heal/ubercharge the person.
If I read that wrong and you are saying you killed the medic that ubercharged you... how is that possible if he is ubercharged?
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Indeed. At the end of the day, even our worst enemies will abandon us, after pausing to yell incomprehensible things at us.
Seriously, what crazy moon-man language was the Scout speaking?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr1OPy2eOkQ
It's already been reported.
http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?cookie%5Ftest=1&product_id=200198
Demoman vid.
I'm a black scottish cyclops!!!
It seem once I change to medic, I get really bossy. Anyway yeah good games all around last night, didn't find myself once cursing out loud. Except at myself for not following cardinal rule 1) If you ever get uber always kill the turret first.
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EDIT: Demoman video is fucking win.
Are these not the same thing?
That link does not work for me. This one does: http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26152.html?e3i=1
Also, I call SHENANIGANS! You can't bank shot anymore. :P
I am the designated morale officer of the PA servers.
BULLCRAP.
and you forgot the team name!
Stupid auto-balance moved me to the other side during those rounds
TEAM PENIS!
First off you need to know who and who not to disguise yourself as.
Obviously the first factor for determining this is the makeup of the other team, if they have 30 scouts, then scout might be a good idea.
Disguises to avoid almost all the time:
Spy:
95% of the time a spy is in a disguise so when people see you without one they know. Also I find that people tend to shoot at spies a lot regardless of their team.
Medic:
This can workout, but is harder and should only be attempted by more experienced spies. A medic is charging his uber 80% of the time he’s alive and if he has his needle gun out he’s shooting it not just standing there.
Disguises that almost always work:
Scout:
There are usually 2 or more scouts on a team running rampant and it’s easy to blend in most people overlook the fact that you’re slower then a normal scout.
Soldier:
Once again usually a lot on the field.
Pyro: Quoted from hobershort because he makes an excellent point, and i often disguise as pyro.
Engineer:
On maps where one side has to defend engineer is a good disguise but should be used away from the enemy turrets. Engineers are beating something with a wrench all the time, an engi standing with his shotgun out not repairing/building something sticks out.
Spy Tips:
Hey that guy has my name!:
Whatever class you are disguised as, a good rule of thumb is to avoid that class (unless there are a large amount of them in one area) this just cuts down on the chance you run into the guy whose name you’ve taken.
Fire = Bad:
Avoid Pyros when able since a quick spy check from a pyro = you’re fucked. Also if you’re trying to backstab someone and a pyro is nearby just spraying away, its best to find a new target.
Stay calm:
You are going to be spy checked there are several ways to handle it:
1) Cloak, run, and change disguise. This is a good way to stay alive but lets everyone know a spy is in the area.
2) Be cool. If someone spy checks you just keep acting like a normal player. Don’t run away or try to shoot or stab, most players don’t shoot enough to kill you they tend to stop after 1 or 2 shots. One they think you’re a friendly stab’em.
Milk an injury:
If your missing health, disguise yourself as some kind of attacking class and run back toward the enemy base screaming bloody murder (or medic in this case) this trick works for me 90% of the time and will get you an achievement.
Patience:
Just wait for that stab. If you rush things you’ll miss or get caught.
Don’t be obvious:
Things like running right at a person or walking directly behind someone is a give away that you’re a spy. A simple way to fool people is to face your team and back up or strafe toward the enemy you want to attack. It appears that you’re dodging enemy fire or running for your life rather then sneaking around. And for god’s sake, pretend to be afraid of your team.
And for the newbie spies out there, snipers are easy targets, they are to busy charging a shot to notice you stabbing them.
as always take everything with a grain of salt. what works for me may not work for you. and for those people who hate spies, read up and learn the class. The best way to beat them is to know how they work.
In regards to the advocates of his former empire: “I was going to have them all executed… the Royal Advocate talked me out of it.” -Shadowthrone (Emperor Kellanved)
Handles: LoL-Emerging, BF4/Hardline-Whiskeyjack227, Steam-Fragglerock, HOTS/Blizzard-Whiskeyjack#1333, Life-Jason
Only one side respawning would help to discourage turtling during sudden death!
With spies as medics you only see their name, dead giveaway.
The entire enemy team will hate your guts, and it just feels good.
Of course, if most of the enemy team are smart enough to do regular spy checks, you're fucked. Thankfully they are often too busy shooting their pew pew at enemies to notice me sneaking up behind them.
I had the pleasure of dominating 4 people at once in a match, one of which was my younger brother. I swear i heard him screaming from his college dorm :P
In regards to the advocates of his former empire: “I was going to have them all executed… the Royal Advocate talked me out of it.” -Shadowthrone (Emperor Kellanved)
Handles: LoL-Emerging, BF4/Hardline-Whiskeyjack227, Steam-Fragglerock, HOTS/Blizzard-Whiskeyjack#1333, Life-Jason
LOL, spies are but tinder for my flame thrower. If I'm ever playing Pyro, I'm constantly lighting anything that moves on fire. Hell, I spray into random corners and shit in case a spy is stealthed. That sounds stupid and wasteful, but I've actually gotten a few kills this way.
I also never have to worry about them since spies tend not to get near the maniac spraying fire in every direction.
I do the same things as a soldier, but it's not nearly as amusing.
Edit: i swear i put this reply up before seeing the above post. And to the person above me, fuck you it was probably me.
In regards to the advocates of his former empire: “I was going to have them all executed… the Royal Advocate talked me out of it.” -Shadowthrone (Emperor Kellanved)
Handles: LoL-Emerging, BF4/Hardline-Whiskeyjack227, Steam-Fragglerock, HOTS/Blizzard-Whiskeyjack#1333, Life-Jason
Spies, in general, are very satisfying to kill
Glorious.
Yeah but they can just switch uber when they notice. Personally I prefer to maintain the disguise and just run them right into the middle of my base not shooting anything.
So awesome.
I've yet to see this personally, but in my mind I see this as possibly the most hilarious thing in TF2.
DO NOT FISTPOUND
My best moment from last weekend was one of the wackier games where the opposing team was all spies, and I was a heavy.
I switched to fists and just started punching the air when I hit the contested cap point. I took out 3-4 invisible spies just swinging at nothing and spinning around. It was hilarious to watch them appear, dying, out of nowhere and fall to the ground.
The harder the rain, honey, the sweeter the sun.
King Nada
Are you playing against legally retarded people? I mean I don't see how this is possible at all. I can see a medic accidentally healing a spy. That makes sense. I fail to see how the medic sees the guy he is healing poof out of a disguise, spy starts stabbing teammates, and he continues to heal/ubercharge the person.
If I read that wrong and you are saying you killed the medic that ubercharged you... how is that possible if he is ubercharged?