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A friend of mine was at a bar on Thursday. He was talked into having a screwdriver. He drank half of it and then chugged a lot of water. And that was it for him. He was gone for the rest of the night. Like, outright wasted. Someone had to drive him home because he couldn't walk by himself. So does anyone have an explanation for this? I've been told that a screwdriver has very little alcohol so that makes me wonder if my friend is a super-super-super lightweight or if there's something affecting him healthwise. Oh and the rest of my friends have pretty much sworn off ever giving him alcohol again because in their words "It was funny the first time but then it was just sad the second time."
A screw driver is a shot of vodka and three parts orange juice. It's like he had half a shot.
The basic effects of rohypnol are very similar in many respects to heavy drinking, which is one of the many reasons why it's used as the date rape drug. The memory loss and almost purely tasteless attributes help as well, but it leads the victim to just act like a heavily intoxicated ass most of the time.
It's entirely possible that someone drugged his drink, not necessarily purposefully either, it could have been a mistake (the other party assuming that the drink belonged to a female target by accident) or if you were in a gay bar then maybe your friend just looked like an easy mark for a would be rapist. Either way it sounds like it didn't end the worst way it could have so your buddy got lucky if this is in fact what happened to him.
My suggestion? Controlled experimentation. Get the boys together to have a few brews and watch some TV or play some videogames or whatever. See how many beers he downs before he gets fucked up. One beer is going to be roughly equivalent to one screwdriver, both in alcohol content and volume of liquid being consumed.
Or maybe he's a diabetic and the sugar fucked him up.
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He probably just has a low tolerance for alcohol. It's not exactly a bad thing.
Consuming a half of a shot of vodka and being seriously impaired is not normal for anyone who weighs more than 50 pounds.
I know, you're used to feeding it to the kids so your perception in this matter is a little off, and I'm not going to be too hard on you for being wrong but in the future try to keep in mind that grown ups have different tolerances than elementary school aged boys.
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Has he had vodka before? I've heard allergies to types of alcohol can cause reactions like this.
I've heard of that with tequila but I'd have some difficulty believing that it's likely to be the case with vodka, given that it's fairly pure and it's made with grains and nothing particularly exotic.
If he's on medication that'd be a good bet for a catalyst though.
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Or maybe he's a diabetic and the sugar fucked him up.
There's no way the drink could've provoked that sort of reaction in a diabetic, and unless it was an 8 ounce glass, with 7 parts vodka to 1 part oj, I can't believe that it was the drink alone that messed him up. There's having a low tolerance for alcohol, but getting so wasted after so little beggars belief.
Either there was something in the drink, it interacted with something he was taking, or he thought it'd be funny to pretend to be really drunk. I want to say extreme thirst is a side effect of one date rape drug or another, but I can't place what.
Finally, if all the all the ominous possibilities are eliminated, make him a regular screwdriver at home and see what happens. Or hand him a wine cooler and see what happens.
Strong or unnatural/insatiable thirst is a pretty common side effect for a lot of things that get you messed up.
Anyhow, I think controlled experimentation (small quantities of liquor per drink in drinks you've prepared yourself to a set standard, with different types of alcohol at each experimentation session) is really the only way you'll know what the real deal is here.
Go slow though, if he's chugging the drinks don't give him a second one until at least 15 minutes has passed since he's finished the first.
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The drug thing is... not something that occurred to me and is really quite disturbing. I'm not sure if he was on any medication. He's Asian, age 22 by the way.
I don't know if he's had vodka before but allergies did come to mind as an explanation. He is not diabetic. And he had a full stomach at the time too. I'm pretty sure that he was not faking it because this was actually the second time that he got wasted off very little alcohol (the first time he had one cocktail and by his words "did not remember what happened that night").
I'm not really looking for advice, I just wanted some help in trying to figure out what could make him go under so quickly.
I might suggest the controlled experiment to him though. Actually, I think I will.
I've heard of that with tequila but I'd have some difficulty believing that it's likely to be the case with vodka
Trust me, it happens. My girlfriend can drink like a fish, as long as it's not vodka. A comparatively tiny amount of vodka, like one or two shots, and she's gunned, and I've got a long night of hair-holding ahead of me. Bonus irony: she's half Polish, and Poles are traditionally right up there with Russians in their love of vodka. She gets a lot of good-natured ribbing from the Polish side of her family over this.
As for the comments about ethnicity, I've also had first-hand experience that your ethnic background can affect your tolerance. I had a roommate in first year university who was from China. He went out with friends from the Chinese Student's Association on his birthday and they carried him home maybe two hours later. I said "Christ, how much did he have to drink?," and one of his friends said "A beer and a shot," in a tone of voice that seemed to suggest they thought this was a lot.
I have no idea why someone would react so strongly to vodka, while being completely able to drink far more red wine, white wine, rum, cider, etc., etc. But trust me, it happens, and it's not pretty. Try to coax your friend into drinking a rum-based drink of some kind, if he's willing. If it happens with rum and vodka, maybe he's just not cut out to be a social drinker.
A genetic trait called alcohol dehydrogenase deficiency where the body produces less of the enzymes needed to break down alcohol is more common in southeast Asians than in other ethnicities, and is particularly common in people of full-blood Japanese descent.
Flushing across the cheeks is a tell-tale sign of this.
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every person who doesn't like an acquired taste always seems to think everyone who likes it is faking it. it should be an official fallacy.
I'd have to call Meds. Something similar happened to a friend of mine a few weeks in a row until he finally admitted to us that he was on antidepressants. That was kind of an extreme case though where he just didn't want to admit to it. Otherwise, if he really hadn't eaten anything all day, and has no previous tolerance, that could have put him under.
I'd have to call Meds. Something similar happened to a friend of mine a few weeks in a row until he finally admitted to us that he was on antidepressants. That was kind of an extreme case though where he just didn't want to admit to it. Otherwise, if he really hadn't eaten anything all day, and has no previous tolerance, that could have put him under.
Alcohol plus an SSRI can be very intoxicating.
SRRI already has your serotonin at a high level and alcohol can cause it to peak.
This results in really drunk behavior and frequently, black outs.
I'll have to go with the ethnicity and genetics on this one. I'm of Chinese descent and I have to drink slower and more conservatively than other friends around my size and weight (which is annoying since the drinks I do enjoy tend to be strong ones). Some of my other friends of the same ethnicity are far less tolerant. Half a shot of diluted whiskey was enough to make one out of it. Another that's middle aged and quite a bit bulkier than my skinny ass gets messed up from a Chinese side dish that contains alcohol mixed with rice and other ingredients.
It's not exactly normal, but it's not uncommon from my experience.
I'll have to go with the ethnicity and genetics on this one. I'm of Chinese descent and I have to drink slower and more conservatively than other friends around my size and weight (which is annoying since the drinks I do enjoy tend to be strong ones). Some of my other friends of the same ethnicity are far less tolerant. Half a shot of diluted whiskey was enough to make one out of it. Another that's middle aged and quite a bit bulkier than my skinny ass gets messed up from a Chinese side dish that contains alcohol mixed with rice and other ingredients.
It's not exactly normal, but it's not uncommon from my experience.
I may be disasterousely wrong here, but I think it is genetics.
You have europeans, who having aleing it up for hundreds of years, then you have Rice wine in the east.
Ethnicity is just a genetic preference that goes back hundreds of years.
He most likely suffers from Flush. It is pretty common in Asians and it a genetic mutation that causes difficulty processing alcohol (missing enzyme like Feral and others said). It can have symptoms like flushed or blotched cheeks and skin (hard to tell in a dark bar), dizziness, thirst, accelerated intoxication, etc...
I have a Japanese friend that even a sip of alcohol will turn him bright red and pretty much gets him wasted. He has to lie down because the he feels sick and the room starts spinning. It literally just takes a sip of any alcoholic drink. I didn't believe it until I saw him pressured into taking a sip one time. He ended up drinking a couple ounces of beer and was completely wasted.
Also, alcoholic content in a screwdriver (or any hand mixed drink) can really vary. What a bartender is supposed to put in and what they actually put in can be two very different things.
I have a Japanese friend that even a sip of alcohol will turn him bright red and pretty much gets him wasted. He has to lie down because the he feels sick and the room starts spinning. It literally just takes a sip of any alcoholic drink. I didn't believe it until I saw him pressured into taking a sip one time. He ended up drinking a couple ounces of beer and was completely wasted.
Also, alcoholic content in a screwdriver (or any hand mixed drink) can really vary. What a bartender is supposed to put in and what they actually put in can be two very different things.
Most bars have dispensers that limit the shots to exactly a shot or maybe slightly less because it's just not in the bar's best interests to over serve.
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The light weights just need to start drinking more often. I honestly got drunk off one smirnoff when I was 16. Now I go out and have 6 jack daniels on the rocks with a splash of coke, 2 colorado bulldogs, 2 apple pie shots, and 3 jello shots over four hours. I can still talk and walk. I go home sleep it off, and wake up without a hang over.
As soon as you said he was Asian it was very clear. Loads of Asian people are like this - some people I know can only drink half a glass of beer before getting a headache and having to lie down. Japanese, Mongolians and Koreans too are very prone.
Growing up in the UK and Eire, it was a bit of a shock when I first encountered it, but it's perfectly normal in these nations/ethnic groups.
Turns out it's a vodka thing. My friend told me that he's had similar reactions with vodka before and that he didn't know that a screwdriver contained it or else he wouldn't have had it.
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Some people produce less of the enzymes that breaks down alcohol than others.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
The basic effects of rohypnol are very similar in many respects to heavy drinking, which is one of the many reasons why it's used as the date rape drug. The memory loss and almost purely tasteless attributes help as well, but it leads the victim to just act like a heavily intoxicated ass most of the time.
It's entirely possible that someone drugged his drink, not necessarily purposefully either, it could have been a mistake (the other party assuming that the drink belonged to a female target by accident) or if you were in a gay bar then maybe your friend just looked like an easy mark for a would be rapist. Either way it sounds like it didn't end the worst way it could have so your buddy got lucky if this is in fact what happened to him.
My suggestion? Controlled experimentation. Get the boys together to have a few brews and watch some TV or play some videogames or whatever. See how many beers he downs before he gets fucked up. One beer is going to be roughly equivalent to one screwdriver, both in alcohol content and volume of liquid being consumed.
Or maybe he's a diabetic and the sugar fucked him up.
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Consuming a half of a shot of vodka and being seriously impaired is not normal for anyone who weighs more than 50 pounds.
I know, you're used to feeding it to the kids so your perception in this matter is a little off, and I'm not going to be too hard on you for being wrong but in the future try to keep in mind that grown ups have different tolerances than elementary school aged boys.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
I've heard of that with tequila but I'd have some difficulty believing that it's likely to be the case with vodka, given that it's fairly pure and it's made with grains and nothing particularly exotic.
If he's on medication that'd be a good bet for a catalyst though.
CUZ THERE'S SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE AND IT'S GIVING ME A RASH
The vast majority of vodka you would find in an American supermarket or bar will have been made from grains.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
There's no way the drink could've provoked that sort of reaction in a diabetic, and unless it was an 8 ounce glass, with 7 parts vodka to 1 part oj, I can't believe that it was the drink alone that messed him up. There's having a low tolerance for alcohol, but getting so wasted after so little beggars belief.
Either there was something in the drink, it interacted with something he was taking, or he thought it'd be funny to pretend to be really drunk. I want to say extreme thirst is a side effect of one date rape drug or another, but I can't place what.
Finally, if all the all the ominous possibilities are eliminated, make him a regular screwdriver at home and see what happens. Or hand him a wine cooler and see what happens.
Anyhow, I think controlled experimentation (small quantities of liquor per drink in drinks you've prepared yourself to a set standard, with different types of alcohol at each experimentation session) is really the only way you'll know what the real deal is here.
Go slow though, if he's chugging the drinks don't give him a second one until at least 15 minutes has passed since he's finished the first.
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I don't know if he's had vodka before but allergies did come to mind as an explanation. He is not diabetic. And he had a full stomach at the time too. I'm pretty sure that he was not faking it because this was actually the second time that he got wasted off very little alcohol (the first time he had one cocktail and by his words "did not remember what happened that night").
I'm not really looking for advice, I just wanted some help in trying to figure out what could make him go under so quickly.
I might suggest the controlled experiment to him though. Actually, I think I will.
As for the comments about ethnicity, I've also had first-hand experience that your ethnic background can affect your tolerance. I had a roommate in first year university who was from China. He went out with friends from the Chinese Student's Association on his birthday and they carried him home maybe two hours later. I said "Christ, how much did he have to drink?," and one of his friends said "A beer and a shot," in a tone of voice that seemed to suggest they thought this was a lot.
I have no idea why someone would react so strongly to vodka, while being completely able to drink far more red wine, white wine, rum, cider, etc., etc. But trust me, it happens, and it's not pretty. Try to coax your friend into drinking a rum-based drink of some kind, if he's willing. If it happens with rum and vodka, maybe he's just not cut out to be a social drinker.
Flushing across the cheeks is a tell-tale sign of this.
the "no true scotch man" fallacy.
Damn cheap drunks. Would make my party nights less expensive if I could be a bit more like that. . .
SRRI already has your serotonin at a high level and alcohol can cause it to peak.
This results in really drunk behavior and frequently, black outs.
I'll have to go with the ethnicity and genetics on this one. I'm of Chinese descent and I have to drink slower and more conservatively than other friends around my size and weight (which is annoying since the drinks I do enjoy tend to be strong ones). Some of my other friends of the same ethnicity are far less tolerant. Half a shot of diluted whiskey was enough to make one out of it. Another that's middle aged and quite a bit bulkier than my skinny ass gets messed up from a Chinese side dish that contains alcohol mixed with rice and other ingredients.
It's not exactly normal, but it's not uncommon from my experience.
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I may be disasterousely wrong here, but I think it is genetics.
You have europeans, who having aleing it up for hundreds of years, then you have Rice wine in the east.
Ethnicity is just a genetic preference that goes back hundreds of years.
Also, alcoholic content in a screwdriver (or any hand mixed drink) can really vary. What a bartender is supposed to put in and what they actually put in can be two very different things.
Most bars have dispensers that limit the shots to exactly a shot or maybe slightly less because it's just not in the bar's best interests to over serve.
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My filipino friend can only have about 1 beer and he's buzzed, 2 and he's drunk, 3 and he's completely wasted.
Growing up in the UK and Eire, it was a bit of a shock when I first encountered it, but it's perfectly normal in these nations/ethnic groups.