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This is getting rediculous[Computer problem]

KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
edited October 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
Hey there, some of you may remember me from such thread topics as "My computer crashes when trying to play HL2Ep1, HL2 Ep2, or TF2" and the later "It still won't run those and after getting to testchamber 19 in portal now it crashes on that game too"

Well that problem wasn't ever resolved, and I started playing on another computer for those. But now a new problem arose.

This computer stopped running old-school HL2, which I have beaten before on this computer, and I got to ravenholm this time before it suddenly started having an engine error of "Internal Driver error: Direct3d()" or something like that(It flashed the message before BSODing with some shit about a memory error and ati3duag.dll messing up like it did with the other games. Now here's where it starts getting fun.

Steps I've already taken to try to resolve this matter:

Uninstalled and Reinstalled/updated all Drivers.
Updated DirectX
Ran the DirectX diagnostic tool and everything checked out
Ran the MS memory checker and everything checked out
Reseated my memory
Virus scan + spyware scan both came up clean




So here is a game that has worked for a year.

Now it doesn't.

Everything tells me the computer is working fine, and other games work fine, but any source game and BSOD.

Ideas?

Now, I am on the lower end of the spectrum, I'm playing on a laptop with an ATI Mobile 200M, so I took TF2 and the episodes not running on this machine as ok.

But they all run perfectly on my other system with an old Geforce 4200(I'm building a new computer this summer, so I won't be 5 years in the past for long!) and HL2 original I know has worked on this system, which is when it starts getting frustrating. 2 gigs of ram as well, if that matters.

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  • BlochWaveBlochWave Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    It flashed the message before BSODing with some shit about a memory error

    Well those errors have meaning ya know, what was it? Might have too much crap going on in the background that you didn't before and don't know about. I swear mcafee pisses me off so much, I'm too lazy to actually adjust it to not pull this shit but if it's scanning when I'm trying to play a game, it's crapville

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Double post'd

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    BlochWave wrote: »
    It flashed the message before BSODing with some shit about a memory error

    Well those errors have meaning ya know, what was it? Might have too much crap going on in the background that you didn't before and don't know about. I swear mcafee pisses me off so much, I'm too lazy to actually adjust it to not pull this shit but if it's scanning when I'm trying to play a game, it's crapville

    I'm fairly sure I just got the same error I was getting before... so


    STOP: 0x0000008E (0x00000005, 0xE7B006B6, 0xA7FCF8EC, 0x00000000)

    Which is a memory error. Which I would've posted except that I've checked the memory, switched the memory between slots, and reseated the memory, and it has no errors and it's securely in the memory slots.

    Debug tool gets me:
    WARNING: Stack unwind information not available. Following frames may be wrong.
    a7658bfc eae6d018 e5959010 00000000 00000003 ati3duag+0xfe48c
    a7658c00 e5959010 00000000 00000003 bfbfb5f3 0xeae6d018
    a7658c04 00000000 00000003 bfbfb5f3 eae6d018 0xe5959010


    STACK_COMMAND: kb

    FOLLOWUP_IP:
    ati3duag+fe48c
    bfc0548c ff4e5c dec dword ptr [esi+5Ch]

    SYMBOL_STACK_INDEX: 0

    SYMBOL_NAME: ati3duag+fe48c

    FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

    MODULE_NAME: ati3duag

    IMAGE_NAME: ati3duag.dll

    BUCKET_ID: WRONG_SYMBOLS

    Followup: MachineOwner


    The error before the BSOD I can't say what it was, because I only saw it flash up quickly before disappearing before the BSOD, and I don't want to crash my compy the 8 times it would take for me to read and write down the whole error


    Oh, also I cut down all non-MS services and programs on startup except for Punkbuster and Steam, and I just had turned the computer on, so I doubt it was a background program.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    UPDATE: Ok, so I got "Process Explorer" from Microsoft, just to make sure I wasn't running anything I didn't want to, and it tells me the .NET performance counters are corrupt on this system.


    Not sure if that means anything horrible, or if that's the problem, and it tells me to run a diagnostic to fix the problem. Which totally doesn't fix the problem.
    Ok, I fixed the NET counters, so I'll see if the game works now.

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Have you recently upgraded the RAM? Try reseating it.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Lewisham wrote: »
    Have you recently upgraded the RAM? Try reseating it.

    I upgraded the RAM a year ago, reseated it, switched nodes, and checked it for errors.

    New error though:

    Engine Error:
    Internal Driver error in Idirect3Ddevice9:: Present()
    when it closed, the BSOD was:
    PAGE_FAULT_IN_NONPAGED_AREA

    STOP: 0x00000050 (0xEAFF109C, 0x00000001, 0xBFC0548C, 0x00000001)

    ati3duag.dll – address BFC0548E base at BFBC7000, Datestamp 46CB95A9

    Which tells me Windows SP1 is having problems with my display adaptor, but I'm running SP2. So not much help.

    Or it tells me there's a memory problem, which the diagnostic tool says is not true, or there's a problem with my VCard drivers, which I totally uninstalled and reinstalled and made sure were upgraded. Now, I am running catalyst and I remember seeing something about something something catalyst. Are they like, bad drivers or am I just making up stuff so that my problem makes sense?

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Sounds like your only recourse is a backup + reformat at this point.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Damn. I kept hoping that this laptop didn't have some horrible laptop degenerative disease.

    Hopefully I can string it along for another semester if I don't stress it out too much, because I should have funds by then to build a gaming tower, and then I plan on totally wiping the laptop and turning it into a portable studio.

    Well, thanks. Stupid computer.

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Another possibility is your laptop may be overheating. As my laptop got older it's cooling performance got worse and worse until the whole thing destabilized until I bought one of those external coolers (My RAM was hot enough to literally burn me when I checked it). Is that something that's been checked out?

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  • brandotheninjamasterbrandotheninjamaster Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Something very similar to this happened to me with my desktop. I got the same error messages and even the .net crap. This happened to me while I was playing FEAR after that no game would work. So I finally got tired of not being able to game so I went to Wal-Mart and bought 2 bottles of compressed air q-tips 91% isopropal alcohol. Opened the compie and to business (cleaning). Took me 4 hours to clean everything, I would douse a q-tip in alcohol then clean each blade of every fan (I was very meticulous). As I was cleaning I found that the 20mm fan on my video card (9800 pro) was not spinning. After I was done cleaning I started to test everything. All my games work fine now. Although that fan is still broken. I unplugged that from power so not to cause any excess heat. Moral of the story: Your stuff may be dirty clean it.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I clean the thing with just air about every week, and I go through the inards about bi-monthly. I've not noticed any increase in heat, and I have it elevated off the table whenever I'm at home, and I make sure to keep the fans unblocked when I'm not.

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  • brandotheninjamasterbrandotheninjamaster Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    What kind of video card are you using?

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  • ZeonZeon Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Have you tried the omega radeon drivers? It looks like youre getting a video card driver error, atleast an error involving the video card.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I used to use Omega drivers but they would overtax my PSU and the thing would shut down(I stole my sister's ChillPad and cleaned it out for the first time in a while when that was happening, 'cause I thought the thing was overheating. Turns out it wasn't), so I went back to catalyst on the 200M.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Well, I ran a HDD error check today, and after 2 hours of plodding along scanning file indexes and whatnot, the error checker completed, right after it flashed up the message that "An unspecified error has occured" Which totally doesn't help at all.

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  • stigweardstigweard Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    I was going to suggest swapping out the video card, but it is a laptop. You can try a clean install, but if it is a hrdware problem, that isn't going to fix it.

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  • LewishamLewisham Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Backup and reformat. It's the only thing you haven't tried yet.

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Well I think I'm going to try swapping in another HDD, to see if it could just be a hardware HDD error maybe. If not, then I'll format probably.

    IF that doesn't help I'm shooting the damn thing.

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  • deadman joltdeadman jolt Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Had a similar problem to this with warcraft 3 on a NEW pc. Turns out that the memory sold to us by Fry's Stupidtronics was marked 800 mhz but wasn't stable there. I throttled it back to 667 and voila, stability.

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