BM used to be pretty difficult, Aeonus would just destroy groups, and if you blew your portals on him, you'd have trouble with the last boss. However, they nerfed Aeonus, and as time passed people got better / knew what they were doing, and the only time I see groups wipe is when they're just outright bad (Terrible tank, Terrible healer, Adds guy AFKing), or, if the healer/tank is level 68 and can't heal through/survive the last boss.
I have experience on this... so many runs for that hourglass...
Haha, don't get me started on that.
I was halfway to exalted before I finally saw it drop.
43 runs. I was almost to Exaulted twice.
That's impressive. I'm somewhere in the 20s without having ever seen the mail bracers from Aeonus, and I've been through Shattered Halls 31 times without seeing the Lightsworn Hammer. I still don't have either item. I'm four runs from Exalted with Keepers of Time, and I'm about 3300 away from Exalted with Thrallmar -- without having done a single Thrallmar quest, ever. Yaaaaay.
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BM used to be pretty difficult, Aeonus would just destroy groups, and if you blew your portals on him, you'd have trouble with the last boss. However, they nerfed Aeonus, and as time passed people got better / knew what they were doing, and the only time I see groups wipe is when they're just outright bad (Terrible tank, Terrible healer, Adds guy AFKing), or, if the healer/tank is level 68 and can't heal through/survive the last boss.
I have experience on this... so many runs for that hourglass...
Haha, don't get me started on that.
I was halfway to exalted before I finally saw it drop.
43 runs. I was almost to Exaulted twice.
That's impressive. I'm somewhere in the 20s without having ever seen the mail bracers from Aeonus, and I've been through Shattered Halls 31 times without seeing the Lightsworn Hammer. I still don't have either item. I'm four runs from Exalted with Keepers of Time, and I'm about 3300 away from Exalted with Thrallmar -- without having done a single Thrallmar quest, ever. Yaaaaay.
I suppose if you had sufficient epix, you could run straight from T-Mar into HFC and Blood Furnance, and then over into Zangarmarsh. To avoid the crush. Hellfire was a madhouse, like the amusement park on Labor day, I can see how people would have wanted to avoid it in those opening days.
BM used to be pretty difficult, Aeonus would just destroy groups, and if you blew your portals on him, you'd have trouble with the last boss. However, they nerfed Aeonus, and as time passed people got better / knew what they were doing, and the only time I see groups wipe is when they're just outright bad (Terrible tank, Terrible healer, Adds guy AFKing), or, if the healer/tank is level 68 and can't heal through/survive the last boss.
I have experience on this... so many runs for that hourglass...
Haha, don't get me started on that.
I was halfway to exalted before I finally saw it drop.
43 runs. I was almost to Exaulted twice.
That's impressive. I'm somewhere in the 20s without having ever seen the mail bracers from Aeonus, and I've been through Shattered Halls 31 times without seeing the Lightsworn Hammer. I still don't have either item. I'm four runs from Exalted with Keepers of Time, and I'm about 3300 away from Exalted with Thrallmar -- without having done a single Thrallmar quest, ever. Yaaaaay.
A single Thrallmar quest?
What were you doing at level 58? Grinding?
How soul-destroying...
I had no epics at all. Not even any 50+ blue gear aside from the quest reward hammer from AV. I went straight into Ramparts and Blood Furnace, and did those until 62 or so. Only about 8 runs of each. This was as a shaman, by the way, so it was pretty rough trying to heal those instances with barely +100 healing and under 150 non-FSR mp5.
But hey, at least I had my HFC heroic key at the start of level 69. ... ...
I was thinking about getting my lock to outlands and just instance grinding to 70, without ever doing a single quest. And then do all the quests after.
Happy: I finally got the hourglass from BM, fuck you time dragons, I'll never see you again!
Also, I'm hoping s3 comes soon so that I can buy the s2 shoulders for less money and then get some of the better s1 pieces with honor. I'm still using a green(it's a fantastic green, but, still =/) chestpiece for kitty dps, and it irritates me that I'm still using it
Also, instance grinding the last 4 levels on my lock doesn't sound too bad, especially since I'll probably have full rest xp all the way through...
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I was thinking about getting my lock to outlands and just instance grinding to 70, without ever doing a single quest. And then do all the quests after.
I suppose if you had sufficient epix, you could run straight from T-Mar into HFC and Blood Furnance, and then over into Zangarmarsh. To avoid the crush. Hellfire was a madhouse, like the amusement park on Labor day, I can see how people would have wanted to avoid it in those opening days.
I couldn't get BC for two weeks after release due to a snowstorm, then was lazy about getting it even after that despite all the cool item links coming over guild chat. Once I finally got it HFP was still a horrible, horrible pit of lag. I had to wait until the waaay off peak hours to even try to turn in quests.
I was thinking about getting my lock to outlands and just instance grinding to 70, without ever doing a single quest. And then do all the quests after.
After you do this you will no longer have a soul.
But you will have lots of moneyz.
Nah, grinding in The Outland isn't all that bad.
Be sure to grind the Bog Giants for Sporeggar rep and the Unidentified plants for CE rep.
I was thinking about getting my lock to outlands and just instance grinding to 70, without ever doing a single quest. And then do all the quests after.
After you do this you will no longer have a soul.
But you will have lots of moneyz.
Nah, grinding in The Outland isn't all that bad.
Be sure to grind the Bog Giants for Sporeggar rep and the Unidentified plants for CE rep.
My reasoning is a lot of easy money, and by the time I'm 70 I'll be very close to exalted with anything that matters. Making the "rep grind" almost non-existent.
Also, if real life has taught me anything... Soul's don't matter as long as you're rich.
Without questing in Hellfire you will reach 1 point short of honored and then no more rep, until you are in Shattered Halls. Might be fun to reach that point and then clear out all your HH/Thrallmar quests. Would get you gear that is quite a bit better then anything except pre-outland epics. Unless you have already supplied that character with a full kit of boe outland greens.
Getting him BoE greens wont be a problem, already got a 70. And greens are cheap, so I'm not too worried about gear. Plus I'll be getting stuff from the instances.
I forgot the rep only goes up to honored until SH.
BM used to be pretty difficult, Aeonus would just destroy groups, and if you blew your portals on him, you'd have trouble with the last boss. However, they nerfed Aeonus, and as time passed people got better / knew what they were doing, and the only time I see groups wipe is when they're just outright bad (Terrible tank, Terrible healer, Adds guy AFKing), or, if the healer/tank is level 68 and can't heal through/survive the last boss.
I have experience on this... so many runs for that hourglass...
Haha, don't get me started on that.
I was halfway to exalted before I finally saw it drop.
43 runs. I was almost to Exaulted twice.
That's impressive. I'm somewhere in the 20s without having ever seen the mail bracers from Aeonus, and I've been through Shattered Halls 31 times without seeing the Lightsworn Hammer. I still don't have either item. I'm four runs from Exalted with Keepers of Time, and I'm about 3300 away from Exalted with Thrallmar -- without having done a single Thrallmar quest, ever. Yaaaaay.
A single Thrallmar quest?
What were you doing at level 58? Grinding?
How soul-destroying...
I had no epics at all. Not even any 50+ blue gear aside from the quest reward hammer from AV. I went straight into Ramparts and Blood Furnace, and did those until 62 or so. Only about 8 runs of each. This was as a shaman, by the way, so it was pretty rough trying to heal those instances with barely +100 healing and under 150 non-FSR mp5.
But hey, at least I had my HFC heroic key at the start of level 69. ... ...
Didn't we 2 man all but the last boss in Ramparts when we were both early 60s. And by two man I mean, you healed and I tanked and maged?
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Happy: I finally got the hourglass from BM, fuck you time dragons, I'll never see you again!
Also, I'm hoping s3 comes soon so that I can buy the s2 shoulders for less money and then get some of the better s1 pieces with honor. I'm still using a green(it's a fantastic green, but, still =/) chestpiece for kitty dps, and it irritates me that I'm still using it
Also, instance grinding the last 4 levels on my lock doesn't sound too bad, especially since I'll probably have full rest xp all the way through...
I got it in my first BM run on my shaman last night! And I took it from a druid!
Happy: As of last night, I am now keyed for Mt. Hyjal, and according to the raid leader, on Sunday we're hitting there for the last step in our BT attunement.
I'm about to officially become potentially useful, or at least, significantly less dead weight.
Also, a bit nervous, because this is all brand new, and I've barely raided anything but Karazhan since sometime in September. Suffice to say, I've got a LOT of reading ahead of me.
Forar on
First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
Joined a new guild. Read a post by a guy in their shaman area talking about how hit is the most important stat until you get hit capped for bosses. I'm hoping he's a rogue and not a shaman.
Joined a new guild. Read a post by a guy in their shaman area talking about how hit is the most important stat until you get hit capped for bosses. I'm hoping he's a rogue and not a shaman.
It's still a relatively new thing for shammies not to be concerned about the hit cap. Since dual wield has been in the game, the numbercrunchers have touted +hit as the most important stat until you cap. It's only been recently that more levelheaded number peeps have realized that hitting the cap for a shammy isn't as important as a rogue.
Happy: Got my T5 gloves last night. Also talked to the NPC behind Karathress.
Ran a SSC pug with a guild who's cleared BT & a guild who's in BT now. Yes, I felt horribly undergeared (I'm wearing T4/equivalent gear). I had done the fights before, which wasn't that bad. But they didn't need to flask or pot & just blew through the instance. Two minute wipe recovery when we did wipe (I think there were three wipes at the most), they would switch people in & out when needed, but everything just went really quickly & smoothly.
It was fun. It was raiding without all the bullshit & the idiots & the whining... it was glorious.
Happy: Got my T5 gloves last night. Also talked to the NPC behind Karathress.
Ran a SSC pug with a guild who's cleared BT & a guild who's in BT now. Yes, I felt horribly undergeared (I'm wearing T4/equivalent gear). I had done the fights before, which wasn't that bad. But they didn't need to flask or pot & just blew through the instance. Two minute wipe recovery when we did wipe (I think there were three wipes at the most), they would switch people in & out when needed, but everything just went really quickly & smoothly.
It was fun. It was raiding without all the bullshit & the idiots & the whining... it was glorious.
I absolutely cannot wait until our guild gets to the point where we can do this ... we're almost there. Our guild is composed of about 30-35 core raiders, non-raiding guildies, and friends. Being that we only raid 3 days a week, its not leaving much room for SSC time if we want to push through both BT and Hyjal. Right now our off night raid includes Gruuls and Mag where we try to get the non-raiders in so they can get gear and what not. I hope that here in the next month or two we'll extend the offnight raid to include a good chunk of SSC.
Happy: Got my T5 gloves last night. Also talked to the NPC behind Karathress.
Ran a SSC pug with a guild who's cleared BT & a guild who's in BT now. Yes, I felt horribly undergeared (I'm wearing T4/equivalent gear). I had done the fights before, which wasn't that bad. But they didn't need to flask or pot & just blew through the instance. Two minute wipe recovery when we did wipe (I think there were three wipes at the most), they would switch people in & out when needed, but everything just went really quickly & smoothly.
It was fun. It was raiding without all the bullshit & the idiots & the whining... it was glorious.
I absolutely cannot wait until our guild gets to the point where we can do this ... we're almost there. Our guild is composed of about 30-35 core raiders, non-raiding guildies, and friends. Being that we only raid 3 days a week, its not leaving much room for SSC time if we want to push through both BT and Hyjal. Right now our off night raid includes Gruuls and Mag where we try to get the non-raiders in so they can get gear and what not. I hope that here in the next month or two we'll extend the offnight raid to include a good chunk of SSC.
The guilds who run BT/Hyjal now, don't go back to SSC/TK unless they need to attune new people. They don't need gear from there, so they don't go back. I know one of the other BT guilds does run pug VR/Gruul's, though not TK in its entirety.
The group last night did Hydross to Leo in about four hours, I think they left Vashj for the other BT guild to attune their newer raiders.
Happy: As of last night, I am now keyed for Mt. Hyjal, and according to the raid leader, on Sunday we're hitting there for the last step in our BT attunement.
I'm about to officially become potentially useful, or at least, significantly less dead weight.
Also, a bit nervous, because this is all brand new, and I've barely raided anything but Karazhan since sometime in September. Suffice to say, I've got a LOT of reading ahead of me.
Pfft, Hyjal trash is annoying, but compared to all other instances, BT trash is a dream. I remember when we were farming for Hearts for SR gear, 10-15 people farming Teron trash, Gurtogg trash and then later on Mother trash. And then when you get there with 25 people, it's even easier. The only really annoying trash in BT is the single General Naga pack you are forced to clear for Naj'entus, maybe the large group of poison elementals after you kill Naj too, other then that the trash is joyful \o/
I'm all about kicking asses and taking names. Killed Al'ar, Solarian and KT last night for the first time (first time I'd even seen KT, and we got him with only one wipe, in a raid made up of 1/4 applicants), so it was a damned fine night indeed.
At this point, just SEEING Hyjal and possibly BT will be glorious, and proving to the raid crew that I'm worth having along to see ZA, The Sunwell and beyond is my current goal.
There's another App rogue along that I'm neck in neck with for damage, has equal or slightly better gear, but died significantly more than I did, if I recall the meters correctly. It wasn't a flawless night, but I even got a few compliments on my performance, and people were really helpful with hints and advice. I feel fairly confident I never made the same mistake twice, and most of my deaths were from "the worst fucking trash in the instance" (as I was whispered) and parts of encounters I'd never seen before. Having a bunch of mods pop up in the middle of my screen mid-KT? Thanks DBM, but it was an attempt that nailed several people anyway. Once they were out of the way and I knew how to get to my target without being vapourized, it was pretty smooth sailing.
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First they came for the Muslims, and we said NOT TODAY, MOTHERFUCKER!
I also tried KT for the first time last night (Though in a raid that's still learning him). Aside from a couple mistakes (Small mistakes, using Misdirection early beacuse I thought P1 was over, and using Readiness to solve that problem :P), I was actually complimented by the guild/raid leader for not being stupid, potting, and adapting well.
At this point, just SEEING Hyjal and possibly BT will be glorious, and proving to the raid crew that I'm worth having along to see ZA, The Sunwell and beyond is my current goal.
Hyjal was a huge disappointment for me. Been waiting to see it since WoW first released, we finally get there and the only spots that have any activity are the camps with a bunch of nameless guard NPCs. No mobs or anything in the instance until you trigger the boss events. You teleport in, fight some bosses, then teleport out.
They seriously couldn't have spent more than a day detailing the place. There's no flavor NPCs, no silly merchants, nowhere near the entertainment value that Old Hillsbrad has.
BT is cool but I hate those goddamn little runt water elementals that are on a 20-30 minute spawn timer.
There isn't a fight I've seen in the game so far that'll get your heart rate going like phase 2-3 of Vashj will. Kael's tough too, but more because of the time involved and the number of ways you can screw the pooch.
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hold your head high soldier, it ain't over yet
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
I had no epics at all. Not even any 50+ blue gear aside from the quest reward hammer from AV. I went straight into Ramparts and Blood Furnace, and did those until 62 or so. Only about 8 runs of each. This was as a shaman, by the way, so it was pretty rough trying to heal those instances with barely +100 healing and under 150 non-FSR mp5.
But hey, at least I had my HFC heroic key at the start of level 69. ... ...
Didn't we 2 man all but the last boss in Ramparts when we were both early 60s. And by two man I mean, you healed and I tanked and maged?
You were 60 for most of those runs, 61 toward the end. I was 60 for all of them.
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That's a lie!
You totally had some healing feetwear from ZG!
Totally!
Totally!
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Humor can be dissected as a frog can, but dies in the process.
There isn't a fight I've seen in the game so far that'll get your heart rate going like phase 2-3 of Vashj will. Kael's tough too, but more because of the time involved and the number of ways you can screw the pooch.
I agree I find Kael vastly more relaxed than Vashj. Kael's a longer fight, and has many ways to be screwed over on but atleast you're not desperately trying to prevent elementals from slipping by you while constantly watching spawn timers for the tainted elementals, also checking for striders (in case one spawns on your stairs and fears you) while thinking to yourself "have we got 4 cores down yet?", but you're too busy to actually count the number of cores. Many times in that fight we've slipped into phase 3 and it takes until new elementals stop spawning for me to even register this fact.
Happy: Finally, hero tokens on karathress! I got my t5 pants! Woo!
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Heh, I did that to myself in ZF running a buddy's alt through.
I also had two epic'd-out people nuke themselves to death on Warlord Karlithreshblarblarg. Quite amusing :P
The same group also managed to kill him through the enrage on another trip through, because they forgot to target the containers.
That's impressive. I'm somewhere in the 20s without having ever seen the mail bracers from Aeonus, and I've been through Shattered Halls 31 times without seeing the Lightsworn Hammer. I still don't have either item. I'm four runs from Exalted with Keepers of Time, and I'm about 3300 away from Exalted with Thrallmar -- without having done a single Thrallmar quest, ever. Yaaaaay.
A single Thrallmar quest?
What were you doing at level 58? Grinding?
How soul-destroying...
I had no epics at all. Not even any 50+ blue gear aside from the quest reward hammer from AV. I went straight into Ramparts and Blood Furnace, and did those until 62 or so. Only about 8 runs of each. This was as a shaman, by the way, so it was pretty rough trying to heal those instances with barely +100 healing and under 150 non-FSR mp5.
But hey, at least I had my HFC heroic key at the start of level 69. ... ...
Also, I'm hoping s3 comes soon so that I can buy the s2 shoulders for less money and then get some of the better s1 pieces with honor. I'm still using a green(it's a fantastic green, but, still =/) chestpiece for kitty dps, and it irritates me that I'm still using it
Also, instance grinding the last 4 levels on my lock doesn't sound too bad, especially since I'll probably have full rest xp all the way through...
After you do this you will no longer have a soul.
But you will have lots of moneyz.
I couldn't get BC for two weeks after release due to a snowstorm, then was lazy about getting it even after that despite all the cool item links coming over guild chat. Once I finally got it HFP was still a horrible, horrible pit of lag. I had to wait until the waaay off peak hours to even try to turn in quests.
I should probably stop spending money now..
Nah, grinding in The Outland isn't all that bad.
Be sure to grind the Bog Giants for Sporeggar rep and the Unidentified plants for CE rep.
Also, if real life has taught me anything... Soul's don't matter as long as you're rich.
I forgot the rep only goes up to honored until SH.
it is so wonderful
Sad: All my druid-ly competition for the roll was gone, but the rapestaff didn't drop this week
Didn't we 2 man all but the last boss in Ramparts when we were both early 60s. And by two man I mean, you healed and I tanked and maged?
I had 8g when I dinged 69 (I had saved 700g in Outland, but thought "fuck it, I'll level BS") and had the money back in under a week for my mount.
Yeah, Caverns of Time: Stratholme is going to kick some ass.
I got it in my first BM run on my shaman last night! And I took it from a druid!
I'm about to officially become potentially useful, or at least, significantly less dead weight.
Also, a bit nervous, because this is all brand new, and I've barely raided anything but Karazhan since sometime in September. Suffice to say, I've got a LOT of reading ahead of me.
It's still a relatively new thing for shammies not to be concerned about the hit cap. Since dual wield has been in the game, the numbercrunchers have touted +hit as the most important stat until you cap. It's only been recently that more levelheaded number peeps have realized that hitting the cap for a shammy isn't as important as a rogue.
Ran a SSC pug with a guild who's cleared BT & a guild who's in BT now. Yes, I felt horribly undergeared (I'm wearing T4/equivalent gear). I had done the fights before, which wasn't that bad. But they didn't need to flask or pot & just blew through the instance. Two minute wipe recovery when we did wipe (I think there were three wipes at the most), they would switch people in & out when needed, but everything just went really quickly & smoothly.
It was fun. It was raiding without all the bullshit & the idiots & the whining... it was glorious.
I absolutely cannot wait until our guild gets to the point where we can do this ... we're almost there. Our guild is composed of about 30-35 core raiders, non-raiding guildies, and friends. Being that we only raid 3 days a week, its not leaving much room for SSC time if we want to push through both BT and Hyjal. Right now our off night raid includes Gruuls and Mag where we try to get the non-raiders in so they can get gear and what not. I hope that here in the next month or two we'll extend the offnight raid to include a good chunk of SSC.
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t13297-enhance_shaman_collected_works_theorycraft_vol_i/
Send him to that link. Tell him to STFU.
The guilds who run BT/Hyjal now, don't go back to SSC/TK unless they need to attune new people. They don't need gear from there, so they don't go back. I know one of the other BT guilds does run pug VR/Gruul's, though not TK in its entirety.
The group last night did Hydross to Leo in about four hours, I think they left Vashj for the other BT guild to attune their newer raiders.
I hope you enjoy waves of enemies!
And fast respawning trash!
I'm all about kicking asses and taking names. Killed Al'ar, Solarian and KT last night for the first time (first time I'd even seen KT, and we got him with only one wipe, in a raid made up of 1/4 applicants), so it was a damned fine night indeed.
At this point, just SEEING Hyjal and possibly BT will be glorious, and proving to the raid crew that I'm worth having along to see ZA, The Sunwell and beyond is my current goal.
There's another App rogue along that I'm neck in neck with for damage, has equal or slightly better gear, but died significantly more than I did, if I recall the meters correctly. It wasn't a flawless night, but I even got a few compliments on my performance, and people were really helpful with hints and advice. I feel fairly confident I never made the same mistake twice, and most of my deaths were from "the worst fucking trash in the instance" (as I was whispered) and parts of encounters I'd never seen before. Having a bunch of mods pop up in the middle of my screen mid-KT? Thanks DBM, but it was an attempt that nailed several people anyway. Once they were out of the way and I knew how to get to my target without being vapourized, it was pretty smooth sailing.
Comically enough, I still haven't seen Vashj :P
Hyjal was a huge disappointment for me. Been waiting to see it since WoW first released, we finally get there and the only spots that have any activity are the camps with a bunch of nameless guard NPCs. No mobs or anything in the instance until you trigger the boss events. You teleport in, fight some bosses, then teleport out.
They seriously couldn't have spent more than a day detailing the place. There's no flavor NPCs, no silly merchants, nowhere near the entertainment value that Old Hillsbrad has.
BT is cool but I hate those goddamn little runt water elementals that are on a 20-30 minute spawn timer.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
You were 60 for most of those runs, 61 toward the end. I was 60 for all of them.
You totally had some healing feetwear from ZG!
Totally!
Totally!
I agree I find Kael vastly more relaxed than Vashj. Kael's a longer fight, and has many ways to be screwed over on but atleast you're not desperately trying to prevent elementals from slipping by you while constantly watching spawn timers for the tainted elementals, also checking for striders (in case one spawns on your stairs and fears you) while thinking to yourself "have we got 4 cores down yet?", but you're too busy to actually count the number of cores. Many times in that fight we've slipped into phase 3 and it takes until new elementals stop spawning for me to even register this fact.
Happy: Finally, hero tokens on karathress! I got my t5 pants! Woo!
Which is cool.
Kinda sucks though because by the time I can raid again everyone is gonna be done with him.
So yeah, probably not gonna be seeing much of BT.
I'm getting that too.
Well I mean, I got keyed, but I really really want the T5 chest. And after 3 kills everyone is all "k guys we're done, let's go full bore on BT!".
"uh, guys, what about loot I want?"