VariableMouth CongressStroke Me Lady FameRegistered Userregular
edited October 2007
only read the first page so far, but how 'bout more like Mario and Sonic just, and more like a Lost Vikings game for the DS?
anyone up for that?
edit - they are incredibly different in design, that goes without saying (on here anyway), but if we put them together and let the game fall somewhere in between... I'd say it could work. not really the way I mentioned now that I think about it, because I'm not sure you could switch controls that drastically and have it work and still matter that it was sonic and mario... you'd lose personality.
"And Sonic was all like "WHOOOOSH" and Mario was like "Yoohoo! Wah! Waha!" and then Bowser came out and he's all like "RAAAWR" and Dr. Robotnik was like "Hahahaha!" and he was in this big robot Bowser and Sonic was snowboarding into it's stomach and Mario was avoiding all of these obstacles and then the robot blew up and Peach started to make out with Sonic."
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Sonic has always had great physics. Give him a awesomely designed world to take advantage of this. Obviously this would take shit tons of talent.
I dunno man, one of the failures of modern Sonic games is that it hasn't had good physics (cue TSR talking about how Sonic used to have weight).
Put me in the camp of "they are different gameplay styles, leave it to cameos or party games".
Besides, why let Nintendo do the 3D and Sega do the 2D when Nintendo would be better at a 2D iteration as well :P Seriously though, Sega have been farming out Sonic (and most other IPs) to second and third party devs for years, might as well give it to Shigsy.
A 3D platformer starring Mario and Sonic could be pretty great if done perfectly and pretty awful if done in any other of the (infinity - 1) ways.
However, if someone were capable of creating levels in which Mario could do his thing (careful jumping, crazy exploring) and Sonic could do his thing (use physics to gain speed, plan paths to reach new areas) at the same time, then let you switch characters in the same area, it would be incredible.
Needless to say, Sonic Team is not allowed to touch this idea.
Only if they came out with another clip on cartridge that was like "Sonic and Knuckles", but "Sonic and Mario".... Play through all of Sonic 2/3 with Mario teamed with Peach (for floating purposes like Tails)
Dr. Eggman is using a crazy machine that tears through universes, and one goes through the mario one, but its only a huge trans-dimentional warp thing in the skies of both worlds and sonic and tails go in, and mario and luigi go in and swap worlds.
Mario and Luigi would battle eggman and his robots in sonic's world while Sonic and Tails battle Bowser and his army in the mario world.
Then after you beat both campaigns, the tear between universes grows unstable and both the sonic and mario worlds combine into some crazy-ass place and Sonic and Mario team up to defeat Eggman and Bowser. (which is the 3rd campaign)
Then both worlds get restored, everyone saved etc.
Dr. Eggman is using a crazy machine that tears through universes, and one goes through the mario one, but its only a huge trans-dimentional warp thing in the skies of both worlds and sonic and tails go in, and mario and luigi go in and swap worlds.
Mario and Luigi would battle eggman and his robots in sonic's world while Sonic and Tails battle Bowser and his army in the mario world.
Then after you beat both campaigns, the tear between universes grows unstable and both the sonic and mario worlds combine into some crazy-ass place and Sonic and Mario team up to defeat Eggman and Bowser. (which is the 3rd campaign)
Then both worlds get restored, everyone saved etc.
My idea is shit
That could work. Bowser is somewhat an animal, so really he could work for Eggman and truely be a robot. Maybe instead of a frog suit for Mario, they should give him a Sonic suit... at least for 1 level, and have Sonic make an apperience the second Mario puts that Sonic suit on "Its race time" or some shit. Anytime Mario gets hits he drops all his coins...
The only idea that comes to mind that I know I'd probably enjoy would be a Paper Mario-esque game focussed on the Sonic Universe instead of Mario. This is probably a really horrible idea, but I fucking love Paper Mario games like none other (Super Paper Mario excluded) so I'm probably a little biased.
Oh, and as for the OP - I don't like to be snooty about sonic, but I'll respectfully say that my idea is probably going to be much different from that and I probably wouldn't really enjoy such a game. But different strokes, and I stress that I don't want to be snooty.
A third person viewpoint, deathmatch style game with all the characters from the games. Sonic gets his speed and spin dash, mario gets his jumps and ground pounds. Spread throughout the levels are super speed boots, shells, and other powerups from the games. Think mario 64 controls.
Oh, and as for the OP - I don't like to be snooty about sonic, but I'll respectfully say that my idea is probably going to be much different from that and I probably wouldn't really enjoy such a game. But different strokes, and I stress that I don't want to be snooty.
I honestly doubt that you come off as snooty. Whatever you think of, it'll be fuckawesome.
A third person viewpoint, deathmatch style game with all the characters from Nintendo games as well as Sonic. Sonic gets his speed and spin dash, mario gets his jumps and ground pounds. Spread throughout the levels are super speed boots, shells, and other powerups from the games.
Oh, and as for the OP - I don't like to be snooty about sonic, but I'll respectfully say that my idea is probably going to be much different from that and I probably wouldn't really enjoy such a game. But different strokes, and I stress that I don't want to be snooty.
I honestly doubt that you come off as snooty. Whatever you think of, it'll be fuckawesome.
no matter who you are, going in and dismissing someones ideas is going to look snooty, even if the person dismissing them has a good understanding of the topic at hand.
Oh, and as for the OP - I don't like to be snooty about sonic, but I'll respectfully say that my idea is probably going to be much different from that and I probably wouldn't really enjoy such a game. But different strokes, and I stress that I don't want to be snooty.
I honestly doubt that you come off as snooty. Whatever you think of, I'll still suck your penis
Anyways.
How about Dragonball-style fusion? Sonic with a moustache or Mario with fur. Mmm...
It would pretty much have to be a Paper Mario style adventure.
Sonic moving at Mario speeds would be terrible.
And Mario moving at Sonic speeds would require rocket roller blades, or something.
The two really don't mix well. Maybe in the next Mario Kart Sonic could just run alongside everyone.
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CokomonOur butts are worth fighting for!Registered Userregular
edited October 2007
Some sort of, uh, gem or star, that allows them to swap places. So you can do all the running stuff with Sonic and then *swip* switch in Mario and do the platforming/cape flying. Also, make it Metroid/Castlevania-like with powerups and large areas.
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edited October 2007
when I started reading this I though, Oh man, TSR's going to come in here and respectfully and politely destroy you. I mean not to defecate on your thread, but this seems to be about as likely as Masterchief teaming up with Solid Snake and Thor to take down Dr. Robotnik's mean bean metal gear machine.
EDIT: which would make for the greatest (and only) Platforming/First Person/Puzzling stealth action thriller.
it looks like TSR's got the respectfully and politely part down.
So I have a very specific vision of what the games would look like. I'm creating a sprite sheets so I can show what I'd imagine it'd be like. Here's my 30 minute WIP so far:
Not much but it starts to give you a feel for the style. Those are of course sonic items that have been mario-ized.
Sonic has always had great physics. Give him a awesomely designed world to take advantage of this. Obviously this would take shit tons of talent.
I dunno man, one of the failures of modern Sonic games is that it hasn't had good physics (cue TSR talking about how Sonic used to have weight).
Well, I meant old Sonic games. Sonic1-CD had great physics. Wonderful physics.
The new games also have the "Press forward. Close eyes. Beat level" approach (I am so looking at you SA2). The old games were more about platforming than run real fast in one direction.
Mario going fast would be fun. But I like the idea of it being like Mario 64 with a little speed boost. I can handle a fast Mario. I know this because when I first started playing Mario back in the NES days (and World Class Track Meet and Duck Hunt lol) I never knew what "B Speed" was. I was playing the game for weeks without ever knowing I could make Mario run faster.
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On the most basic level 2d mario and 2-d sonic are the same thing. With that in mind I'd probably Focus on a 2-d Platformer for the Wii( strictly to allow for longer levels.
General Gameplay
Mario and Sonic would each have their own levels and bosses but, elements of both gameworlds would be present throughout.
Mario would focus on complex platforming while Sonics primary goal is to get to the end of the area. To that end Mario doesn't have a timer for his levels while Sonic does. Mario however does have an energy bar.
Both characters share an overworld map similar to Sonic Adventure 2 rather than a hub.
Beating certain Bosses gains you Stars as Sonic and Chaos Emeralds as Mario. Some Bosses however simply grant you new levels to explore on the overworld map. Bonus worlds are strictly for 1-ups.
Powerups
Classic Mario Powerups and Classic Sonic Powerups would appear affecting each character differently.
Fire Flower- Causes Sonic to burst into flames while running . Mario get's his standard projectiles
Mushroom- Makes Mario Super Mario. Sonic However get's the Mario Kart "boost"shroom which allows him to blast through walls and certian hazards.
Starman- Makes both characters invincible. Allows Sonic to Fly
Invincibility TV- Makes Both Characters invicible. Let's Mario use his hammer from Donkey kong.
Speed shoes- Let's Sonic move faster. Mario Can jump higher and Further
Bubble Shield- Absorbs one hit. Mario can use it to double jump. Let's Sonic breathe underwater.
Cape - Allows Mario to Fly. Sonic can use it to control his descent during falls.
Chao- Saves you from a bottomless pit .
Story - I guess we need one. . .
Sonic- Bowser Steals the Chaos emeralds. He then kidnaps Amy Rose.
Mario- Eggman steals 7 stars( we'll make up new ones) and Kidnaps peach.
Final Chapter- It's revealed Eggman and Bowser*gasp* teamed up. Their ultimate goal being the conquest of earth and the Mushroom kingdom. Super Sonic and Hammer Bros. Mario have to stop them.
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That image is a bit...harsh on the eyes, but I see what you are going for.
It's supposed to be sharp. The first image was my attempt to mario-ify a sonic level, and that's my attempt to sonic-ify a mario level. That's supposed to be my interpretation of a sonic version of mario's underworld. Like world 1-2 in SMB.
I really like this idea, at least as a thread. A photoshop contest would be great too.
I'm working on my idea right now, using 2D stuff like TSR, just because it's easier. A 3D concept would be great but finding appropriate art and taking the time to put it together is just too much. 2D for now.
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anyone up for that?
edit - they are incredibly different in design, that goes without saying (on here anyway), but if we put them together and let the game fall somewhere in between... I'd say it could work. not really the way I mentioned now that I think about it, because I'm not sure you could switch controls that drastically and have it work and still matter that it was sonic and mario... you'd lose personality.
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I dunno man, one of the failures of modern Sonic games is that it hasn't had good physics (cue TSR talking about how Sonic used to have weight).
Put me in the camp of "they are different gameplay styles, leave it to cameos or party games".
Besides, why let Nintendo do the 3D and Sega do the 2D when Nintendo would be better at a 2D iteration as well :P Seriously though, Sega have been farming out Sonic (and most other IPs) to second and third party devs for years, might as well give it to Shigsy.
However, if someone were capable of creating levels in which Mario could do his thing (careful jumping, crazy exploring) and Sonic could do his thing (use physics to gain speed, plan paths to reach new areas) at the same time, then let you switch characters in the same area, it would be incredible.
Needless to say, Sonic Team is not allowed to touch this idea.
Only if they came out with another clip on cartridge that was like "Sonic and Knuckles", but "Sonic and Mario".... Play through all of Sonic 2/3 with Mario teamed with Peach (for floating purposes like Tails)
Or a waterpack.
Mario and Luigi would battle eggman and his robots in sonic's world while Sonic and Tails battle Bowser and his army in the mario world.
Then after you beat both campaigns, the tear between universes grows unstable and both the sonic and mario worlds combine into some crazy-ass place and Sonic and Mario team up to defeat Eggman and Bowser. (which is the 3rd campaign)
Then both worlds get restored, everyone saved etc.
My idea is shit
That could work. Bowser is somewhat an animal, so really he could work for Eggman and truely be a robot. Maybe instead of a frog suit for Mario, they should give him a Sonic suit... at least for 1 level, and have Sonic make an apperience the second Mario puts that Sonic suit on
The only idea that comes to mind that I know I'd probably enjoy would be a Paper Mario-esque game focussed on the Sonic Universe instead of Mario. This is probably a really horrible idea, but I fucking love Paper Mario games like none other (Super Paper Mario excluded) so I'm probably a little biased.
I honestly doubt that you come off as snooty. Whatever you think of, it'll be fuckawesome.
Fixed. :P
no matter who you are, going in and dismissing someones ideas is going to look snooty, even if the person dismissing them has a good understanding of the topic at hand.
Anyways.
How about Dragonball-style fusion? Sonic with a moustache or Mario with fur. Mmm...
Sonic moving at Mario speeds would be terrible.
And Mario moving at Sonic speeds would require rocket roller blades, or something.
The two really don't mix well. Maybe in the next Mario Kart Sonic could just run alongside everyone.
Either that or the Lost Vikings-like idea.
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EDIT: which would make for the greatest (and only) Platforming/First Person/Puzzling stealth action thriller.
it looks like TSR's got the respectfully and politely part down.
Not much but it starts to give you a feel for the style. Those are of course sonic items that have been mario-ized.
Or Portrait of Ruin
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Well, I meant old Sonic games. Sonic1-CD had great physics. Wonderful physics.
The new games also have the "Press forward. Close eyes. Beat level" approach (I am so looking at you SA2). The old games were more about platforming than run real fast in one direction.
another wip.
Price?
Simultaneous release on SNES or Mega Drive?
It would just take amazingly open level design.
I'll create some more later. that's pretty much the art style I'd expect from the two games.
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General Gameplay
Mario and Sonic would each have their own levels and bosses but, elements of both gameworlds would be present throughout.
Mario would focus on complex platforming while Sonics primary goal is to get to the end of the area. To that end Mario doesn't have a timer for his levels while Sonic does. Mario however does have an energy bar.
Both characters share an overworld map similar to Sonic Adventure 2 rather than a hub.
Beating certain Bosses gains you Stars as Sonic and Chaos Emeralds as Mario. Some Bosses however simply grant you new levels to explore on the overworld map. Bonus worlds are strictly for 1-ups.
Powerups
Classic Mario Powerups and Classic Sonic Powerups would appear affecting each character differently.
Fire Flower- Causes Sonic to burst into flames while running . Mario get's his standard projectiles
Mushroom- Makes Mario Super Mario. Sonic However get's the Mario Kart "boost"shroom which allows him to blast through walls and certian hazards.
Starman- Makes both characters invincible. Allows Sonic to Fly
Invincibility TV- Makes Both Characters invicible. Let's Mario use his hammer from Donkey kong.
Speed shoes- Let's Sonic move faster. Mario Can jump higher and Further
Bubble Shield- Absorbs one hit. Mario can use it to double jump. Let's Sonic breathe underwater.
Cape - Allows Mario to Fly. Sonic can use it to control his descent during falls.
Chao- Saves you from a bottomless pit .
Story - I guess we need one. . .
Sonic- Bowser Steals the Chaos emeralds. He then kidnaps Amy Rose.
Mario- Eggman steals 7 stars( we'll make up new ones) and Kidnaps peach.
Final Chapter- It's revealed Eggman and Bowser*gasp* teamed up. Their ultimate goal being the conquest of earth and the Mushroom kingdom. Super Sonic and Hammer Bros. Mario have to stop them.
and yeah, I kind of figured my idea wouldn't be for everyone. but it was really just to get the ball rolling on the discussion.
It's supposed to be sharp. The first image was my attempt to mario-ify a sonic level, and that's my attempt to sonic-ify a mario level. That's supposed to be my interpretation of a sonic version of mario's underworld. Like world 1-2 in SMB.
I'm working on my idea right now, using 2D stuff like TSR, just because it's easier. A 3D concept would be great but finding appropriate art and taking the time to put it together is just too much. 2D for now.
And apparently Tails was a whore during that last generation of heroes.