Like I said, he just didn't mesh with the PW character designs. With the AJ character designs, though, he fits in perfectly.
And he is returning.
I'm kind of sad that AJ won't be featuring Gumshoe, though.
That's too bad. Gumshoe has been my favorite minor character since Case 3 of JFA:
Maya: "You always seem to be working so hard, Detective."
Gumshoe: "I'd rather not be working hard, but with crime you don't make your own hours."
Gumshoe: "If I have to be at the circus anyways, I want to see the lion tamer and the tightrope."
Gumshoe: "However, no matter where I go, the show is always the same..."
Gumshoe: "Dead body. Stage left."
I was hoping he'd be one of the few characters to survive the transition.
well, if you've been keeping up with AJ, you'll know that
the time that has passed between games hasn't been good on lots of AA characters. Phoenix lost his law license, apparently. Now he plays pianee in a russian-owned jazz club
but yeah, I wish Gumshoe were back. This game takes place how long after the AA arc? Gumshoe is how old in the game? I don't want to have to think about possible death ages for these characters
Like I said, he just didn't mesh with the PW character designs. With the AJ character designs, though, he fits in perfectly.
And he is returning.
I'm kind of sad that AJ won't be featuring Gumshoe, though.
That's too bad. Gumshoe has been my favorite minor character since Case 3 of JFA:
Maya: "You always seem to be working so hard, Detective."
Gumshoe: "I'd rather not be working hard, but with crime you don't make your own hours."
Gumshoe: "If I have to be at the circus anyways, I want to see the lion tamer and the tightrope."
Gumshoe: "However, no matter where I go, the show is always the same..."
Gumshoe: "Dead body. Stage left."
I was hoping he'd be one of the few characters to survive the transition.
well, if you've been keeping up with AJ, you'll know that
the time that has passed between games hasn't been good on lots of AA characters. Phoenix lost his law license, apparently. Now he plays pianee in a russian-owned jazz club
but yeah, I wish Gumshoe were back. This game takes place how long after the AA arc? Gumshoe is how old in the game? I don't want to have to think about possible death ages for these characters
No one in that universe dies of old age. They just get murdered at later points of their life.
I, too, am of the opinion that PW1's music was the best and should never have been changed. At least not the "event" tunes: the trial theme, objection theme, cross-exam theme, etc. should have always remained the way they were in PW1. Of course, put as much new music for new characters and locations as you want, but they shouldn't have fucked with what I'd been assuming were the series' "Main themes" up until JFA was released.
Guh, the cross-examination music just gets worse with each sequel. Why did they have to tinker with what works!?
You're out of your mind. TnT's Cross-Examination music is easily on par with PW1's.
as i said before, T and T gets good music again. memorable music. JFA only had Mitsurugi Revival, and it was shared by two characters.
That Franziska, doesnt even get a theme song.
Actually she does, according to the OST. It's basically a remix of Reiji Mitsurugi - Great Revival.
What's odd is that that is the theme that plays when Edgeworth shows up instead of 'his' theme.
*sigh* Anyway, my opinion on the 'court' musics:
Courtroom Lounge: GS3 and GS1 tie for me.
Trial Begins: GS2 wins this one by a fair margin. It really invokes the feeling of standing in a court of justice - which is of course ruined once the characters get into the usual antics. Special mention to the Orchestral Version of GS3's 'Court Begins' because it's absolutely amazing.
Cross Examination (Moderate): GS3 wins this by a bit. GS2 takes close second because I like the tune itself, but it's not really good cross-examination music.
Cross Examination (Allegro): GS1 and GS3 tie. GS1 has more of a 'It's time to finish the hunt' feel as opposed to GS3's 'This is the moment of epiphany' feel.
Objection: GS1
Inform the Truth: GS2 is the best, no question.
Cornered: GS3 edges GS1 out slightly. GS2 is meh, although the orchestral version of GS2's 'Cornered' is absolutely fantastic. Also, points to 'Cadenza's' GS1 'Cornered'.
So I really really loved the first PW, definitely one of my favorite games of all time. I got Justice For All right after I finished it (probably about six months ago) and MAN does it feel like a chore playing this. The music, the characters, the plots... None of it is nearly as good as PW1. I hear 3 is good but I have been on case 3 in JFA for ages now, I play like, a few lines of dialogue a night and then lose all urge to play. Is it worth it to finish JFA so I can play PW3?
If you can make it to case four, JFA gets fucking rad. Otherwise, you can easily get away with it (excepting one spoiler-ish development in JFA case four and T&T case 5).
I enjoyed JFA the entire way through. The 2nd case has a few tedious parts, but overall the entire game is fun. Not sure why people have issues with it.
Yeah, I can't disagree there. Both of them are so fucking annoying.
Which actually brings an interesting observation. Both PW1 and 2 had annoying characters with 0 redeeming qualities whatsoever. But I haven't encountered any characters in 3 that I dislike in the least. (Not counting characters you're supposed to dislike) Quite the opposite in fact, I like them all. Granted I've only just started case 4, so there is still time.
I thought Wendy Oldbag was hilarious
Or maybe it was just Edgeworth's reactions to her in the first game.
Oldbag, Lotta, and Larry Butz all drive me nuts to varying degrees. But Oldbag is the worst. I fucking loved that they put her on vacation in PW3. I was like thank god. Not that Larry is much improvement.
I thought Wendy Oldbag was hilarious
Or maybe it was just Edgeworth's reactions to her in the first game.
Hmmm
I liked her raygun animation in JFA, but overall she was just irritating. Edgeworth is awesome for being Edgeworth all the time, but he still couldn't give her a pass. I'd have much preferred both games without her.
I enjoyed JFA the entire way through. The 2nd case has a few tedious parts, but overall the entire game is fun. Not sure why people have issues with it.
It was a lot of things for me. The first two cases seemed kind of out of place, here you are having solved this massively awesome cases in the first game but you're still treated as a complete rookie (granted there was an excuse for the first case but it was lame). Secondly, the music just felt completely flat. The music in PW1 was one of my favorite points and really helped add to tension of cases. In the 4th and 5th cases I found myself crowing at the screen and laughing maniacally a majority of the time. JFA just makes me feel indifferent.
Also so far the 'twists' have been exposed REALLY early on in the case, so it's less of a 'I have NO fucking idea who is to blame here' and more of a 'Well I know this person did it... Now I just have to find evidence of it'. Really boring that way, as there's no guesswork going on.
I don't know, hopefully it picks up. I suppose I'll use my time off in december to slog through it. My biggest motivation is AJ, as I absolutely LOVED all the characters from case 5 in PW1 and I've wanted them and their style in their own game ever since I laid eyes on them.
I enjoyed JFA the entire way through. The 2nd case has a few tedious parts, but overall the entire game is fun. Not sure why people have issues with it.
It was a lot of things for me. The first two cases seemed kind of out of place, here you are having solved this massively awesome cases in the first game but you're still treated as a complete rookie (granted there was an excuse for the first case but it was lame). Secondly, the music just felt completely flat. The music in PW1 was one of my favorite points and really helped add to tension of cases. In the 4th and 5th cases I found myself crowing at the screen and laughing maniacally a majority of the time. JFA just makes me feel indifferent.
Also so far the 'twists' have been exposed REALLY early on in the case, so it's less of a 'I have NO fucking idea who is to blame here' and more of a 'Well I know this person did it... Now I just have to find evidence of it'. Really boring that way, as there's no guesswork going on.
I don't know, hopefully it picks up. I suppose I'll use my time off in december to slog through it. My biggest motivation is AJ, as I absolutely LOVED all the characters from case 5 in PW1 and I've wanted them and their style in their own game ever since I laid eyes on them.
Trust us when we say: JFA case 4 completely and utterly makes up for it.
And even then, you won't know it does until you get near the end of it. At first it'll be "Oh fuck that, not these guys again". It'll seem super-formulaic, but when the twist happens right before trial day 3 starts... oh man, I still get goosebumps just thinking about it.
So. The trilogy's cases, from favorite to least favorite, you ask? Sure.
1) Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4)
2) Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4)
3) Bridge To The Turnabout (3-5)
4) Rise From The Ashes (1-5)
5) Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)
6) Turnabout Sisters (1-2)
7) The First Turnabout (1-1)
8) Turnabout Memories (3-1)
9) The Stolen Turnabout (3-2)
10) Recipe For A Turnabout (3-3)
11) Reunion, And Turnabout (2-2)
12) Turnabout Samurai (1-3)
13) The Lost Turnabout (2-1)
14) Turnabout Big Top (2-3)
I just really liked it, and it makes a really good introduction to the series. The mystery isn't... mysterious at all, it's easy as fuck, but it gives you your first "This asshole is going DOWN" rush. Nailing Sahwit is just really satisfying for some reason.
I enjoyed JFA the entire way through. The 2nd case has a few tedious parts, but overall the entire game is fun. Not sure why people have issues with it.
It was a lot of things for me. The first two cases seemed kind of out of place, here you are having solved this massively awesome cases in the first game but you're still treated as a complete rookie (granted there was an excuse for the first case but it was lame). Secondly, the music just felt completely flat. The music in PW1 was one of my favorite points and really helped add to tension of cases. In the 4th and 5th cases I found myself crowing at the screen and laughing maniacally a majority of the time. JFA just makes me feel indifferent.
Also so far the 'twists' have been exposed REALLY early on in the case, so it's less of a 'I have NO fucking idea who is to blame here' and more of a 'Well I know this person did it... Now I just have to find evidence of it'. Really boring that way, as there's no guesswork going on.
I don't know, hopefully it picks up. I suppose I'll use my time off in december to slog through it. My biggest motivation is AJ, as I absolutely LOVED all the characters from case 5 in PW1 and I've wanted them and their style in their own game ever since I laid eyes on them.
Trust us when we say: JFA case 4 completely and utterly makes up for it.
And even then, you won't know it does until you get near the end of it. At first it'll be "Oh fuck that, not these guys again". It'll seem super-formulaic, but when the twist happens right before trial day 3 starts... oh man, I still get goosebumps just thinking about it.
So. The trilogy's cases, from favorite to least favorite, you ask? Sure.
1) Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4)
2) Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4)
3) Bridge To The Turnabout (3-5)
4) Rise From The Ashes (1-5)
5) Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)
6) Turnabout Sisters (1-2)
7) The First Turnabout (1-1)
8) Turnabout Memories (3-1)
9) The Stolen Turnabout (3-2)
10) Recipe For A Turnabout (3-3)
11) Reunion, And Turnabout (2-2)
12) Turnabout Samurai (1-3)
13) The Lost Turnabout (2-1)
14) Turnabout Big Top (2-3)
Well now, isn't this just ripe for debate.
lol
I read that as least favorite to favorite at first, and I read the first three cases you listed and thought you had absolutely lost your mind.
I just really liked it, and it makes a really good introduction to the series. The mystery isn't... mysterious at all, it's easy as fuck, but it gives you your first "This asshole is going DOWN" rush. Nailing Sahwit is just really satisfying for some reason.
I was about to tell you to spoiler that, but then I realized that'd be on par with spoiling the name of the game's main character.
I just really liked it, and it makes a really good introduction to the series. The mystery isn't... mysterious at all, it's easy as fuck, but it gives you your first "This asshole is going DOWN" rush. Nailing Sahwit is just really satisfying for some reason.
I was about to tell you to spoiler that, but then I realized that'd be on par with spoiling the name of the game's main character.
As a general rule, I don't consider anything that's revealed before you have any interactivity with a game to be a spoiler. :P
1) Bridge To The Turnabout (3-5)
2) Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4)
3) Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4)
4) Rise From The Ashes (1-5)
5) Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)
6) Turnabout Memories (3-1)
7) Turnabout Sisters (1-2)
8) Recipe For A Turnabout (3-3)
9) Reunion, And Turnabout (2-2)
10) The Stolen Turnabout (3-2)
11) Turnabout Samurai (1-3)
12) Turnabout Big Top (2-3)
13) The First Turnabout (1-1)
14) The Lost Turnabout (2-1)
I just really liked it, and it makes a really good introduction to the series. The mystery isn't... mysterious at all, it's easy as fuck, but it gives you your first "This asshole is going DOWN" rush. Nailing Sahwit is just really satisfying for some reason.
I was about to tell you to spoiler that, but then I realized that'd be on par with spoiling the name of the game's main character.
As a general rule, I don't consider anything that's revealed before you have any interactivity with a game to be a spoiler. :P
That's not always true. But considering you know he's the killer before you know his name, I think this one can slide.
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The last case of 3 was fabulous, but I think I still rate the one-two punch of 1-4 and 1-5 slightly higher. The spirit medium cases always sort of bugged me, not because I'm intrinsically opposed to weird fantasy shit, but because it makes the case hinge on the writers' made-up rules instead of any sort of real-life logic. For instance,
why can spirits remember things and make long-range plans spanning years? Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of death?
Also I remember after the first game hoping that Mia would be gracefully phased out of the series, her work in the earthly realm complete after
clearing her mother's name in the DL-6 case.
I mean, it sort of takes away from the poignancy of that final moment in T&T when Godot realizes that
"she lives on in you"
when she's been hanging out in the courtroom shooting the breeze with you for like half the game.
Thematically, I prefer 1-4 and 1-5 because they've got that little guy going up against the corrupt system thing going. You really feel like the deck is stacked against you and you have to fight for every inch, and that you're bringing justice to villains who think they're above the law. 3-5 was a great operatic tragedy that nicely wrapped up all the characters' personal histories, and so was a great way to close the series, but I would have really liked one of the other cases in T&T to have had that epic, political vibe. Taking down a
I think I like the JFA Objection music the best. I have a skewed vision of JFA most others don't because it was the game I started with accidentally, so I don't hate it at all, I likes it!
The last case of 3 was fabulous, but I think I still rate the one-two punch of 1-4 and 1-5 slightly higher. The spirit medium cases always sort of bugged me, not because I'm intrinsically opposed to weird fantasy shit, but because it makes the case hinge on the writers' made-up rules instead of any sort of real-life logic. For instance,
why can spirits remember things and make long-range plans spanning years? Doesn't that sort of defeat the purpose of death?
Also I remember after the first game hoping that Mia would be gracefully phased out of the series, her work in the earthly realm complete after
clearing her mother's name in the DL-6 case.
I mean, it sort of takes away from the poignancy of that final moment in T&T when Godot realizes that
"she lives on in you"
when she's been hanging out in the courtroom shooting the breeze with you for like half the game.
Thematically, I prefer 1-4 and 1-5 because they've got that little guy going up against the corrupt system thing going. You really feel like the deck is stacked against you and you have to fight for every inch, and that you're bringing justice to villains who think they're above the law. 3-5 was a great operatic tragedy that nicely wrapped up all the characters' personal histories, and so was a great way to close the series, but I would have really liked one of the other cases in T&T to have had that epic, political vibe. Taking down a
tacky loan shark
just felt a bit underwhelming by comparison.
I felt much better about
getting Armstrong in trouble
than actually finding the real criminal in case 3.
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well, if you've been keeping up with AJ, you'll know that
but yeah, I wish Gumshoe were back. This game takes place how long after the AA arc? Gumshoe is how old in the game? I don't want to have to think about possible death ages for these characters
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No one in that universe dies of old age. They just get murdered at later points of their life.
It'll spoil you.
I do like how the fourth game's sprites are so much more vibrant and... varied than the past games', though.
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You're out of your mind. TnT's Cross-Examination music is easily on par with PW1's.
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as i said before, T and T gets good music again. memorable music. JFA only had Mitsurugi Revival, and it was shared by two characters.
That Franziska, doesnt even get a theme song.
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Actually she does, according to the OST. It's basically a remix of Reiji Mitsurugi - Great Revival.
What's odd is that that is the theme that plays when Edgeworth shows up instead of 'his' theme.
*sigh* Anyway, my opinion on the 'court' musics:
Courtroom Lounge: GS3 and GS1 tie for me.
Trial Begins: GS2 wins this one by a fair margin. It really invokes the feeling of standing in a court of justice - which is of course ruined once the characters get into the usual antics. Special mention to the Orchestral Version of GS3's 'Court Begins' because it's absolutely amazing.
Cross Examination (Moderate): GS3 wins this by a bit. GS2 takes close second because I like the tune itself, but it's not really good cross-examination music.
Cross Examination (Allegro): GS1 and GS3 tie. GS1 has more of a 'It's time to finish the hunt' feel as opposed to GS3's 'This is the moment of epiphany' feel.
Objection: GS1
Inform the Truth: GS2 is the best, no question.
Cornered: GS3 edges GS1 out slightly. GS2 is meh, although the orchestral version of GS2's 'Cornered' is absolutely fantastic. Also, points to 'Cadenza's' GS1 'Cornered'.
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I still consider Case 4 of JFA to be the best case in the series, though Case 5 of PW3 was certainly awesome.
I'd rank them:
T&T Case 5
AA Case 4
JFA Case 4
AA Case 5
JFA lags a little bit for
Which actually brings an interesting observation. Both PW1 and 2 had annoying characters with 0 redeeming qualities whatsoever. But I haven't encountered any characters in 3 that I dislike in the least. (Not counting characters you're supposed to dislike) Quite the opposite in fact, I like them all. Granted I've only just started case 4, so there is still time.
Or maybe it was just Edgeworth's reactions to her in the first game.
She's a joke who's funny once. They handled her the best way imaginable in T&T.
Hmmm
Also so far the 'twists' have been exposed REALLY early on in the case, so it's less of a 'I have NO fucking idea who is to blame here' and more of a 'Well I know this person did it... Now I just have to find evidence of it'. Really boring that way, as there's no guesswork going on.
I don't know, hopefully it picks up. I suppose I'll use my time off in december to slog through it. My biggest motivation is AJ, as I absolutely LOVED all the characters from case 5 in PW1 and I've wanted them and their style in their own game ever since I laid eyes on them.
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Trust us when we say: JFA case 4 completely and utterly makes up for it.
And even then, you won't know it does until you get near the end of it. At first it'll be "Oh fuck that, not these guys again". It'll seem super-formulaic, but when the twist happens right before trial day 3 starts... oh man, I still get goosebumps just thinking about it.
So. The trilogy's cases, from favorite to least favorite, you ask? Sure.
1) Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4)
2) Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4)
3) Bridge To The Turnabout (3-5)
4) Rise From The Ashes (1-5)
5) Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)
6) Turnabout Sisters (1-2)
7) The First Turnabout (1-1)
8) Turnabout Memories (3-1)
9) The Stolen Turnabout (3-2)
10) Recipe For A Turnabout (3-3)
11) Reunion, And Turnabout (2-2)
12) Turnabout Samurai (1-3)
13) The Lost Turnabout (2-1)
14) Turnabout Big Top (2-3)
Well now, isn't this just ripe for debate.
I just really liked it, and it makes a really good introduction to the series. The mystery isn't... mysterious at all, it's easy as fuck, but it gives you your first "This asshole is going DOWN" rush. Nailing Sahwit is just really satisfying for some reason.
lol
I read that as least favorite to favorite at first, and I read the first three cases you listed and thought you had absolutely lost your mind.
I was about to tell you to spoiler that, but then I realized that'd be on par with spoiling the name of the game's main character.
As a general rule, I don't consider anything that's revealed before you have any interactivity with a game to be a spoiler. :P
1) Bridge To The Turnabout (3-5)
2) Turnabout Goodbyes (1-4)
3) Farewell, My Turnabout (2-4)
4) Rise From The Ashes (1-5)
5) Turnabout Beginnings (3-4)
6) Turnabout Memories (3-1)
7) Turnabout Sisters (1-2)
8) Recipe For A Turnabout (3-3)
9) Reunion, And Turnabout (2-2)
10) The Stolen Turnabout (3-2)
11) Turnabout Samurai (1-3)
12) Turnabout Big Top (2-3)
13) The First Turnabout (1-1)
14) The Lost Turnabout (2-1)
That's not always true. But considering you know he's the killer before you know his name, I think this one can slide.
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His coffee mug actually is his weapon he says.
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Also I remember after the first game hoping that Mia would be gracefully phased out of the series, her work in the earthly realm complete after
I mean, it sort of takes away from the poignancy of that final moment in T&T when Godot realizes that
when she's been hanging out in the courtroom shooting the breeze with you for like half the game.
Thematically, I prefer 1-4 and 1-5 because they've got that little guy going up against the corrupt system thing going. You really feel like the deck is stacked against you and you have to fight for every inch, and that you're bringing justice to villains who think they're above the law. 3-5 was a great operatic tragedy that nicely wrapped up all the characters' personal histories, and so was a great way to close the series, but I would have really liked one of the other cases in T&T to have had that epic, political vibe. Taking down a
just felt a bit underwhelming by comparison.
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