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EvE Online - Why I left, and why you should
zeroomegazx
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Greetings minions. I'm going to warn you, this is going to be taken as a rant by some of you but I'm asking that you all read on. This is the story of 2+ years of the EvE online Experience, and what it has developed into for me and what I see of the community.
2 years ago I started my EvE life. I had never played an MMO before. WoW seemed way too much like Diablo 2 just even more repetative tail grabbing. Other MMO's really didn't do anything for me either, too much of what I didn't like, mainly grinding. EvE was much different and when I found a group of people I got along with the game flew by and was very entertaining. When I started in 2005, there was hardly ANY lag ever, servers never really bit the dust, and combat and everything else just worked how it was supposed to. Over the 2 years I played, bugs started to appear, some small, some large. CCP did a somewhat decent if not delayed job at fixing the small bugs, but the larger ones remained for a while until large patch releases, or not even fixed at all. Don't get me wrong I was still able to have a ton of fun in fleet battles, pirating, running a corp and alliance and all. However slowly but surely over time the game's stability and gameplay started to suffer.
Fast forward to a month ago. The game has come a long way. Many additions, many gameplay enhancements, many server upgrades. Unfortunately the game is in bad shape. No matter how many *Need for Speed* patches they release, or how many server hardware upgrades they do the game is still on a downward slope in terms of stability and gameplay. Fleet battles are almost impossible now even on the small scale. Yes I have a computer that can handle EvE and any other recent game (including UT3 Demo) very very nicely, so it is not my hardware OR broadband connection. The EvE engine itself is just showing its age and lack of ability to hold all of these enhancements. I don't know how the people who are wrapped up in the Great War do it, so many ships on the screen must be 1/2 the reason for losses.
My own personal status in game is this: I own 4 characters, all of which can or are within 1 month of flying capital ships, 2 which own and fly capital ships, and all can fly T2 cruisers fully T2 fit or better. I run the same corporation (clan) that I started 2 years ago with a decent amount of the same people still in it. I have done just about everything you can do in a game, save fly a titan or mothership. I have had yet to encounter any major bug for myself that caused me to really get upset, though I was aware of them, that is until 3 weeks ago........
I was running a supply run from our 0.0 home, through a midpoint and to an empire system named sagain. This requires 2 carrier jumps and I usually do it all the time with no problem. I was using 3 of my characters at the time, on 2 PC's and one laptop so that I did not risk having a client issue and loosing something. I jumped from our midpoint to sagain with my 2 carriers after carefully placing a jump field where I always do so that my carriers could dock after the 28 second timelimit. Both carriers jumped successfully and targeted eachother and my jump field maker, in attempt to repair if anyone engaged us. A very skillful pirate faction was in the system but I was not worried as I waited until they left the area around the station until I jumped. As my countdown timer was finishing, one of them warped near the station, about 100km from me. Knowing what I could be in for I clicked dock on my 2 carriers and was going to sacrifice my jump field maker. One carrier docked instantly as he should have, the other sounded docking request accepted.... but continued to fly into the station.
Now this requires some explaining. Normally when you click dock, you warp to a station at 0km if you are more than 150km from it, or if you are within 150km you approach the station until you hit 500m/0m and you dock. Well there is a *BUG* that has been in the game for quite some time now where randomly when you click dock, the client sounds *docking request accepted* yet you keep flying into the station and do not dock, but you only realize this after 5 seconds after the voice, as normally you see yourself docking for about 5 seconds then the screen goes black and loads the inside of the station. When you encounter this bug, you will continue flying forward, with the docking attempt successful text on the screen, with no warning that you are not docking. Whether this is admitted by CCP or not, many peopel encoutner this bug for no rational reason. Is it client server desync? who knows... Most of the time, by clicking dock again, you will actually dock this time, but as I was about to find out that wasn't the case.
As I watched one monitor load the station for my one carrier, I saw my other screen sit there, and I thought, no biggie, its just taking its time, I'm docking, I've been sitting here for 3 minutes. I notice the pirate that warped into the system start heading toward my bugged character like a bat out of hell, so I clicked dock... again... Nothing, not a damn thing happened. Text remained on the screen, and I hear *docking permission requested* as if I was not in range. I checked my distance and i was right on top of the station. I again thought its no big deal I'll be inside any second. Unfortunately I was wrong. The pirate Knocked me (bumped me) and sent me about 3km from the station. It was at this point i started freaking out.
Now another pause for the second bug. About 3 months ago there was a patch released that prevented Battleship classed ships from going ridiculous speeds to prevent exactly what was happening here, and also because they were somewhat impossible to catch. The ship I was bounced with is one of the fastest battleships in the game, and I do not have a problem with that. The issue I have is that if CCP did not want this happening, why did they not nerf this like they should have. A battleship with the size and mass comparison to a carrier should not have the effect it does when the smaller ship hits the larger ship. The amount of momentum the larger ship is given is way out of proportion and does not have an effect on smaller ships. In essence its a *BUG* or *EXPLOIT* that should have been fixed when they said they did, but again wasn't the initial cause of what was happening.
I figured I would have enough time to turn around and head BACK to the station or that I was actually docking. Well the bastard managed to turn around and hit me again, sending me farther farther away from the station. I actually knew someone with pull in the pirate group that was starting the attack but he was not online at the moment so I was basically forced to offer money which they did not accept. In a matter of 2-3 minutes I had 30+ enemies shooting me and preventing me from warping away or moving toward the station with the gate guns being of no help. I fought all I could but they were prepared for a fight and kept warping in and out which made my attempts futile. I managed to holdthem off for 15 min until I popped.....
Oddly enough I wasn't pissed like I thought, I had lost about 10 billion isk in that one ship, as I was moving out of 0.0 for a while and figured noone would take on 2 carriers. 2+ years of work, items, and money lost because of a bug. Granted I have a few small ships left, but just about everything I owned was in that ship stored away. The second carrier had items for the corporation that needed transporting and had none of my stuff. I petitioned the loss right away, and am still, 3 weeks later, awaiting a response. I recieved one 2 days after saying they were escalating it due to the huge loss, but I see no escalation at all.
I love EvE, its totally player run universe, and all of what it has to offer. After 2 years of changes and lack of fixes however I'm throwing in the towel. In a game where the dev's are creating more issues than they fix it is not worth spending money on even if I do like the game. Too many people do not put their foot down and actually quit or stand up for themselves but after this I would like everyone who plays eve and who is thinking about playing to know just how buggy it is. Do yourselves a favor and check up on what I'm claiming you will find they are all actual bugs. The fact that I am not helped because of this bug is really quite disgusting. CCP should have fixed those bugs a long long time ago when they first showed up. For the rest of you still flying, take some bug spray and fly safe.
I also have stuff for free older players might find useful. Get at me ingame at my only account left active until mid november at:
WinglessAngelX
2 years ago I started my EvE life. I had never played an MMO before. WoW seemed way too much like Diablo 2 just even more repetative tail grabbing. Other MMO's really didn't do anything for me either, too much of what I didn't like, mainly grinding. EvE was much different and when I found a group of people I got along with the game flew by and was very entertaining. When I started in 2005, there was hardly ANY lag ever, servers never really bit the dust, and combat and everything else just worked how it was supposed to. Over the 2 years I played, bugs started to appear, some small, some large. CCP did a somewhat decent if not delayed job at fixing the small bugs, but the larger ones remained for a while until large patch releases, or not even fixed at all. Don't get me wrong I was still able to have a ton of fun in fleet battles, pirating, running a corp and alliance and all. However slowly but surely over time the game's stability and gameplay started to suffer.
Fast forward to a month ago. The game has come a long way. Many additions, many gameplay enhancements, many server upgrades. Unfortunately the game is in bad shape. No matter how many *Need for Speed* patches they release, or how many server hardware upgrades they do the game is still on a downward slope in terms of stability and gameplay. Fleet battles are almost impossible now even on the small scale. Yes I have a computer that can handle EvE and any other recent game (including UT3 Demo) very very nicely, so it is not my hardware OR broadband connection. The EvE engine itself is just showing its age and lack of ability to hold all of these enhancements. I don't know how the people who are wrapped up in the Great War do it, so many ships on the screen must be 1/2 the reason for losses.
My own personal status in game is this: I own 4 characters, all of which can or are within 1 month of flying capital ships, 2 which own and fly capital ships, and all can fly T2 cruisers fully T2 fit or better. I run the same corporation (clan) that I started 2 years ago with a decent amount of the same people still in it. I have done just about everything you can do in a game, save fly a titan or mothership. I have had yet to encounter any major bug for myself that caused me to really get upset, though I was aware of them, that is until 3 weeks ago........
I was running a supply run from our 0.0 home, through a midpoint and to an empire system named sagain. This requires 2 carrier jumps and I usually do it all the time with no problem. I was using 3 of my characters at the time, on 2 PC's and one laptop so that I did not risk having a client issue and loosing something. I jumped from our midpoint to sagain with my 2 carriers after carefully placing a jump field where I always do so that my carriers could dock after the 28 second timelimit. Both carriers jumped successfully and targeted eachother and my jump field maker, in attempt to repair if anyone engaged us. A very skillful pirate faction was in the system but I was not worried as I waited until they left the area around the station until I jumped. As my countdown timer was finishing, one of them warped near the station, about 100km from me. Knowing what I could be in for I clicked dock on my 2 carriers and was going to sacrifice my jump field maker. One carrier docked instantly as he should have, the other sounded docking request accepted.... but continued to fly into the station.
Now this requires some explaining. Normally when you click dock, you warp to a station at 0km if you are more than 150km from it, or if you are within 150km you approach the station until you hit 500m/0m and you dock. Well there is a *BUG* that has been in the game for quite some time now where randomly when you click dock, the client sounds *docking request accepted* yet you keep flying into the station and do not dock, but you only realize this after 5 seconds after the voice, as normally you see yourself docking for about 5 seconds then the screen goes black and loads the inside of the station. When you encounter this bug, you will continue flying forward, with the docking attempt successful text on the screen, with no warning that you are not docking. Whether this is admitted by CCP or not, many peopel encoutner this bug for no rational reason. Is it client server desync? who knows... Most of the time, by clicking dock again, you will actually dock this time, but as I was about to find out that wasn't the case.
As I watched one monitor load the station for my one carrier, I saw my other screen sit there, and I thought, no biggie, its just taking its time, I'm docking, I've been sitting here for 3 minutes. I notice the pirate that warped into the system start heading toward my bugged character like a bat out of hell, so I clicked dock... again... Nothing, not a damn thing happened. Text remained on the screen, and I hear *docking permission requested* as if I was not in range. I checked my distance and i was right on top of the station. I again thought its no big deal I'll be inside any second. Unfortunately I was wrong. The pirate Knocked me (bumped me) and sent me about 3km from the station. It was at this point i started freaking out.
Now another pause for the second bug. About 3 months ago there was a patch released that prevented Battleship classed ships from going ridiculous speeds to prevent exactly what was happening here, and also because they were somewhat impossible to catch. The ship I was bounced with is one of the fastest battleships in the game, and I do not have a problem with that. The issue I have is that if CCP did not want this happening, why did they not nerf this like they should have. A battleship with the size and mass comparison to a carrier should not have the effect it does when the smaller ship hits the larger ship. The amount of momentum the larger ship is given is way out of proportion and does not have an effect on smaller ships. In essence its a *BUG* or *EXPLOIT* that should have been fixed when they said they did, but again wasn't the initial cause of what was happening.
I figured I would have enough time to turn around and head BACK to the station or that I was actually docking. Well the bastard managed to turn around and hit me again, sending me farther farther away from the station. I actually knew someone with pull in the pirate group that was starting the attack but he was not online at the moment so I was basically forced to offer money which they did not accept. In a matter of 2-3 minutes I had 30+ enemies shooting me and preventing me from warping away or moving toward the station with the gate guns being of no help. I fought all I could but they were prepared for a fight and kept warping in and out which made my attempts futile. I managed to holdthem off for 15 min until I popped.....
Oddly enough I wasn't pissed like I thought, I had lost about 10 billion isk in that one ship, as I was moving out of 0.0 for a while and figured noone would take on 2 carriers. 2+ years of work, items, and money lost because of a bug. Granted I have a few small ships left, but just about everything I owned was in that ship stored away. The second carrier had items for the corporation that needed transporting and had none of my stuff. I petitioned the loss right away, and am still, 3 weeks later, awaiting a response. I recieved one 2 days after saying they were escalating it due to the huge loss, but I see no escalation at all.
I love EvE, its totally player run universe, and all of what it has to offer. After 2 years of changes and lack of fixes however I'm throwing in the towel. In a game where the dev's are creating more issues than they fix it is not worth spending money on even if I do like the game. Too many people do not put their foot down and actually quit or stand up for themselves but after this I would like everyone who plays eve and who is thinking about playing to know just how buggy it is. Do yourselves a favor and check up on what I'm claiming you will find they are all actual bugs. The fact that I am not helped because of this bug is really quite disgusting. CCP should have fixed those bugs a long long time ago when they first showed up. For the rest of you still flying, take some bug spray and fly safe.
I also have stuff for free older players might find useful. Get at me ingame at my only account left active until mid november at:
WinglessAngelX
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You're right that the game does have a huge potential, but the way the devs keep mashing in more features to a rickety game engine is really disappointing. Eve is very much a victim of its own success.
That said I really do miss it, what Eve offers isn't available in any other MMO. Also I think it is possible to have great fun with it despite the bugs and lag, but only if you don't have so much to lose when it inevitably goes wrong.
And yes I have experienced that docking but not docking thing.
I can think of a lot better reasons to quit EVE than "my ship wouldn't dock." Your petition will likely go through seeing as you were moving 2 carriers at the time and 1 magically made it there safely.
Heck, I know people who petition legitimate losses constantly and get their shit back.
Thing is, stuff like this just about never happens. Yes, when it happens it tends to be subject to Murphy's Law, but things like this happening are fantastically rare and this is the first I've heard of this bug. This is no different from a server error in WoW wiping out your purples or somesuch, and if you petitioned it I suspect you'll get your carrier back. Yes, losing tons of stuff sucks, but pitching a fit and saying "NEVER PLAY THIS GAME IT BUGS OUT ALL THE TIME WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" will win you no sympathy from other people who play the game and know how fantastically rare a situation like this is.
In short, if you're leaving, seriously, give me or someone else who needs it your stuff and/or character(s). Things like this happening are vanishingly rare, and even if it happens once it isn't worth quitting the game over, doubly so when your GM petition hasn't been dealt with yet.
I think his problem is CCP's lack of response to the whole thing. I used to play EVE, so I know what it feels like to lose stuff, but I never put that kind of time into it. WoW, on the other hand, has some serious playtime and if a bug had basically toasted all the stuff I'd worked for and blizzard was going on three weeks without a single response to my complaint I'd be verging on quitting, too. Who wants to have to start over because of something completely beyond your control?
The difference between WoW and EVE is that if you play EVE you should be prepared for this kind of stuff, and not be moving all of your personal assets in an un-escorted carrier. If this happened in WoW, you would be wholly unprepared for it, because it's not something that can happen in the natural order of things.
That said, I would be very surprised if you didn't get your stuff back. I've seen people petition completely valid losses and get their capital ships back.
e: Seriously though, if you are quitting, and you want to part with one of those capital characters, I am sure we could work something out. Alot of us vet players would love to get our hands on a capital character if you don't plan to play anymore. Not trying to hawk on your loss here, and I actually hope you get your shit back....but just in case.
No, I get that - but there's also a similarity in that he was supposed to be safely docked. His carrier wasn't unescorted - he was dual-boxing with another carrier and the game bugged, then his attacker used an exploit to prevent him from running. No, I put that in the realms of unprepared loss as there was no good reason why he should have been that easy to kill.
Bumping off the undock is not an exploit. It sucks, but it's not an exploit...and dual-boxing a second carrier is not an escort. All someone had to do was bump and sensor damp his carriers and they both would have died.
Again, I think he will get his stuff back, because of the docking bug, but the being bumped off the undock and raped in a solo carrier part is not entirely uncommon.
Oh. CCP says 'Working as intended'? Okay, my mistake.
Still, I was tempted back to EVE a while ago and quit a second time and everything I've heard since then makes me glad I didn't go back. It really seems to me, an 'outsider', that CCP is making the game worse. I'd totally be pissed if I lost a capital ship by being 'bumped' by a smaller ship and getting launched far enough away from the station I can no longer dock with it.
It's one of those "if the good outweighs the bad" things. If that is true for you, then great, enjoy EVE with us. If not, that's understandable. It is not a game for everyone. I can't say I wouldn't want to quit if I had just lost a carrier with 10 billion in assets in it's hull to a bug. Of course, I also don't have a character with a second carrier, so I dunno.
You know, for me, EVE's greatest strength is also it's weakness. WoW is successful because of the kid gloves. Progression is very VERY directed. You play that game on Blizzard's terms and I don't think anyone can argue that Blizzard knows how to make something fun.
EVE, you play on your own terms, you play the way you want to. So you make EVE your own. And that's where I ran into trouble. I played by myself just doing missions and got bored. I did some frigate wolfpack pvp with Agony Unleashed back when they ran their PVP University for a while and that was cool, but I kept on finding myself waiting for that next skill. The longer the training, the longer the wait until I wasn't playing for a week or two straight and finally just cancelled.
But I was just bored all the time. :P Although, now that I think about it, when I went on the forums to ask about my scoring a BCS on my second day playing one guy posted that he was worried I'd get bored and cancel because with that much ISK so soon, I'd miss a lot of the challenge. I wonder if he was right.
And no, he wasn't right. ISK is a means, not an end. The fun of the game is blowing shit up, which requires ISK.
EDIT: Darkside. I dunno. I was on the 14 day trial at the time, second day.....the total population was at about 100K I think. Just before they hit the milestone of 25K online at once. I think. It was probably a couple years ago at least.
Bingo.
Making money IS the grind in Eve-online, not the payoff. I've played two characters in Eve before, my first was an industrial character. After getting bored after a few months with that I quit, but gave it another try about a year ago with a combat character. Mostly mission running but did a brief stint with the Privateer corp *which for the most part was a waste of time*.
The only time I REALLY REALLY enjoyed myself with either character was in PvP situations. Whether it was a PvP fight with my combat character or running blockades with millions in trade goods with my industrial in Placid or Syndicate, that was just an incredible experience, even when I lost.
The story is unique, you own it, it's not like the 5000th person to raid MC. I think you should be pissed about your loss and then go back and get revenge
And more people would listen to him because he's less wordy and is promising riches beyond the readers wildest imaginations.
Probably wasn't Goons, they generally don't have the patience for this...but it could have been PL.
By the same token, if the OP is in one of our war victim corps and he tried to carrier jump his shit out alone, then he definitely deserves what he got.
Goons don't have the patience for ganking carriers? Haha what?
No, for sitting outside a station they aren't shooting and waiting for a carrier to appear.
Yea, it goes 20km/s and is used for bumping things off POS's/stations.
Not being permitted to dock isn't a bug?
I didn't see his messages, but I think what Stormy is getting at is that if he warped to the station, and it said "Getting in range of docking parameter" and then he got bumped away, that's not a bug. Now if it said "You are being towed in to station" and then he just never docked, then some time later he got bumped away, that might be a bug.