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CrazyBirdAnimation's "art" topic

CrazybirdanimationsCrazybirdanimations Registered User regular
edited December 2007 in Artist's Corner
I'm making these comics for www.vgf.com/

I need to improve my art and such. Please tell me how to improve. I draw these in Flash 8.

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A few of them were done by my sister.

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  • MykonosMykonos Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    first, clarify which ones were done by ur or sister.

    second, i'm not sure how flash works, but photoshop is usually the bread and butter of digital art, you should perhaps give it a try.

    third, if put u these online, its gonna get thrown into the generic amatatuer gaming comic garbage bin...u need something to differentiate yourself more, and you can start by putting a bit more effort and time into these. I honestly dont know where to begin, as alot of these look like they came out of some five year old's coloring book. Are you doing these with a basic mouse? If so I'll cut you some slack cuz its hard as hell to do so, so get urself a wacom tablet. other than that, the best advice i can give you just sit down, practice, and most importantly, take your time. its a bitch at first to get the hand of things, but eventually you'll get it.

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  • CrazybirdanimationsCrazybirdanimations Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Half of 11, and the 13th comic. With Sonic. I have photo-shop, but I do not know how to use it. :(

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Learning how to draw a better comic means learning how to draw. My suggestion to you is to not focus exclusively on drawing web comics, instead draw everything. Get a book, take a class, do everything you can. Everything you learn will be reflected on your comic. This is a great forum to help get good critiques that will help you improve, so c'mon over anytime and post some of you non-web comic art, you'll be surprised at how much not drawing web comics will help your web comic drawings.


    Oh yeah! Forget about Flash and Photoshop. Get yourself a pencil and drawing notebook with 500 pages and start drawing.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    just keep practicing, its difficult to crit u at this stage, since you lack the basic foundations. what kind of things are you interested in drawing (other than comics with ambiguous characters)?

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  • CrazybirdanimationsCrazybirdanimations Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Ambiguous characters.

    Blood, serious-looking characters, hands.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    So post some of those.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    there are 2 ways u can go about doing this.

    the first is the study from life, get anatomy books, look at photographs, draw your own hands, etc etc.

    or u can just look up some how to draw anime books.

    the problem with the 2nd method is that you won't know what really goes where, you'll just have an outline to follow, and your ability to style swap will be severely limited due to your lack of foundational knowledge. but...the 2nd *is* more fun. since your still just starting out, i'd say just look up some anime books, it'll be more fun than work, and if you find you really enjoy it, then you can go look up the real life stuff so u can start really expanding upon your work.

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  • ArfenhouseArfenhouse Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Disregard what ching said. Apparently he has suffered a slight bout of the crazies. In no case should you choose to begin learning how to properly draw by studying anime instead of drawing from life. You want fun? Fine, get a sketchbook, fill it with all your anime desires. But keep it to the side. If you want to improve, you'll only do so by staying away from anime as a learning tool. Everything about it is wrong.

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  • MykonosMykonos Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    what arfen said.

    draw what you love but remember to draw to improve. get the basics down first and then branch out.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    i'm all about learning what actually goes where first and foremost. but to someone who is just starting out, especially at the level this person is at, life drawing isn't enjoyable and might kill their inclination to continue.

    the point of drawing the anime stuff first is to get them in the mindset of drawing more humanoid figures, which will hopefully make them curious as to how it all actually works, causing them to look up the real stuff.

    the method worked fine for me, i started out with gi joe and ninja turtles, then onto mechs, then anime, then i studied how it actually worked. if i had started out doing only life and figure drawing i know for a fact i wouldn't have stuck with it as long as i have.

    *edit*
    there is nothing wrong with anime! it requires the fundamentals to draw well, just as anything else does.

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  • ArfenhouseArfenhouse Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Yes, exactly. It requires fundamentals. Things you need to learn before you can successfully move on to more advanced topics.
    There are two types of anime (as far as drawing it is concerned):
    1. Horrible, copied anime with no trace of skill or learning.
    2. Educated anime, which implements knowledge of the human body and other facets of life and distorts them, again educated. Is more akin to cartooning. Educated cartooning.

    By learning anime first so drawing is "fun", you are effectively taking a step backwards. You deprive yourself of the ability to move past copying and doodling.

    And to be honest, if drawing isn't fun for you from the get go, why would you (figurative "you", not YOU you) even do it? As far as the OP is concerned, it seems he's using the webcomic as a means of self-expression and less as a means of artistic practice. What this means is he has not posted here to get a critique on his art, but on his comic. As a comic, it's poor because of the art. Few can pull off a C&H.

    If you really want to move away from the abstract and really learn about the fundamentals of art, stay the hell away from anime. Stay away from cartoons. Like I said before, keep one sketchbook and do your anime and cartoons in there. If you are really passionate about art, take a few classes. If this is just a whatever thing for you and you really don't give a shit about how you draw as long as your close friends and sister think your comic is funny, disregard the previous novel.

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  • ArfenhouseArfenhouse Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Yes, exactly. It requires fundamentals. Things you need to learn before you can successfully move on to more advanced topics.
    There are two types of anime (as far as drawing it is concerned):
    1. Horrible, copied anime with no trace of skill or learning.
    2. Educated anime, which implements knowledge of the human body and other facets of life and distorts them, again educated. Is more akin to cartooning. Educated cartooning.

    By learning anime first so drawing is "fun", you are effectively taking a step backwards. You deprive yourself of the ability to move past copying and doodling.

    And to be honest, if drawing isn't fun for you from the get go, why would you (figurative "you", not YOU you) even do it? As far as the OP is concerned, it seems he's using the webcomic as a means of self-expression and less as a means of artistic practice. What this means is he has not posted here to get a critique on his art, but on his comic. As a comic, it's poor because of the art. Few can pull off a C&H.

    If you really want to move away from the abstract and really learn about the fundamentals of art, stay the hell away from anime. Stay away from cartoons. Like I said before, keep one sketchbook and do your anime and cartoons in there. If you are really passionate about art, take a few classes. If this is just a whatever thing for you and you really don't give a shit about how you draw as long as your close friends and sister think your comic is funny, disregard the previous novel.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    okay your missing the point, i agree whole heartedly with what your talking about, because thats just simply how it works.

    i might get an infraction for saying this but; this guy is a giant flaming noob, noobs are distracted by shiny things ("ooo anime is PRETTTY!!!") and are turned off by the shit that actually matters ("bleh, drawing from life is boooorrriiing"). the best way to get a noob to get started on *not* being a noob is to distract them with the shiny thing, then slowly guide them in the right direction while they are distracted, ("hey thats a great anime girl! check out this anatomy reference so her boobies will look better!")

    thats what i was getting at, and you ruined it all with your sane artist logic!!! now he knows my ploy, i hope your happy :x

    or i can hope that he actually gives a damn about improving and will take the harder, less shiny route, but i really doubt that.

    hey crazybirdanimations, wanna prove me wrong please?

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  • MoonmanMoonman Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Well I say yer both missing the point. As soon as I saw the first strip I knew what the problem with this comic is. The moment I saw the second strip I knew it wasn't the drawings.

    The problem is in the design. The MS Paint backgrounds and the horrible use of stock Roman-font text for the dialogue make this look childish. If that was the point -- y'know for the irony -- the posts here should clearly show that it didn't work. I think it's because the drawings are actually competent that it didn't work. It prolly wouldn't be appreciated anyway. That kinda half-assed satire has been done to death on the internet anyway. :P

    But if you weren't being ironic (hell, even if you were), you need to have a serious look at color theory. That's the biggest weakness I see in the comic (aside from the garish text work). Your background colors don't highlight the characters, but are so bright, they distract from them significantly. Tone it down, learn how to use complementary colors and I think it'll greatly improve the work.

    P.S. Oh yeah, one more thing before I forget: DITCH THAT SHITTY TEXT!

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  • RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    okay your missing the point, i agree whole heartedly with what your talking about, because thats just simply how it works.

    i might get an infraction for saying this but; this guy is a giant flaming noob, noobs are distracted by shiny things ("ooo anime is PRETTTY!!!") and are turned off by the shit that actually matters ("bleh, drawing from life is boooorrriiing"). the best way to get a noob to get started on *not* being a noob is to distract them with the shiny thing, then slowly guide them in the right direction while they are distracted, ("hey thats a great anime girl! check out this anatomy reference so her boobies will look better!")

    thats what i was getting at, and you ruined it all with your sane artist logic!!! now he knows my ploy, i hope your happy :x

    or i can hope that he actually gives a damn about improving and will take the harder, less shiny route, but i really doubt that.

    hey crazybirdanimations, wanna prove me wrong please?



    is this a joke, or are you really that stupid.
    this is as bad as someone getting mad at the AC for not flaming new webcomics.

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  • MykonosMykonos Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    you know when i started drawing in first grade it would be nothing but the badguys from old nes megaman games. Ha...i remember drawing their bigass legs bigger than their freakin bodies...messed me up for life :/

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    RubberAC wrote: »
    is this a joke, or are you really that stupid.
    this is as bad as someone getting mad at the AC for not flaming new webcomics.

    :cry:

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Aw, c'mon. Leave Lilch alone.

    I love calling you Lilch...

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited October 2007
    Mykonos wrote: »
    you know when i started drawing in first grade it would be nothing but the badguys from old nes megaman games. Ha...i remember drawing their bigass legs bigger than their freakin bodies...messed me up for life :/

    in kindergarten, a friend and myself used to make megaman books for each other. each page had a different boss on it, and we'd yarn or staple all of the pages together and trade. i'd kill to still have those now.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Aw, c'mon. Leave Lilch alone.

    I love calling you Lilch...

    :cry:

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  • ProjeckProjeck Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Hey, well, on the bright side your character's actually convey emotion pretty well.

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  • CrazybirdanimationsCrazybirdanimations Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Arfenhouse wrote: »
    What this means is he has not posted here to get a critique on his art, but on his comic.

    Crap, I should've came back here instead of trying to draw better.

    What a fool I was!

    I drew these on flash, I couldn't apply much shading to it or anything fancy as other art. I do have photoshop but I can't figure out how to draw a simple line without any stupid effects on the brush.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Arfenhouse wrote: »
    What this means is he has not posted here to get a critique on his art, but on his comic.

    Crap, I should've came back here instead of trying to draw better.

    What a fool I was!

    I drew these on flash, I couldn't apply much shading to it or anything fancy as other art. I do have photoshop but I can't figure out how to draw a simple line without any stupid effects on the brush.

    Practice.

    I used to think it was impossible to draw a semi-perfect circle without using a template, but with enough practice drawing, I can draw any line I want cleanly. :P

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    okay your missing the point, i agree whole heartedly with what your talking about, because thats just simply how it works.

    i might get an infraction for saying this but; this guy is a giant flaming noob, noobs are distracted by shiny things ("ooo anime is PRETTTY!!!") and are turned off by the shit that actually matters ("bleh, drawing from life is boooorrriiing"). the best way to get a noob to get started on *not* being a noob is to distract them with the shiny thing, then slowly guide them in the right direction while they are distracted, ("hey thats a great anime girl! check out this anatomy reference so her boobies will look better!")

    thats what i was getting at, and you ruined it all with your sane artist logic!!! now he knows my ploy, i hope your happy :x

    or i can hope that he actually gives a damn about improving and will take the harder, less shiny route, but i really doubt that.

    hey crazybirdanimations, wanna prove me wrong please?

    With all due respect, that is stupid. Telling anybody to first try out a certain style and then focus on the basics is completely retarded.

    Working on a style first means a lot of horrible mistakes are going to be hardwired into a person's art, and when they later try to focus on the basics, these mistakes make it extremely difficult for them to properly grow as an artist.

    What WOULD have been a good suggestion somehwere in the vicinity of what you were talking about is "Look at all these different people and their styles and notice how they all follow the same basics with their own little twists to them".

    The "shiny route" as you call it is, in the end, the harder route, because it will make it more difficult for someone to learn proper anatomy and proportions because it causes them to adopt a certain way of drawing while they still don't know how to properly use that style.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Spectre-x wrote: »
    okay your missing the point, i agree whole heartedly with what your talking about, because thats just simply how it works.

    i might get an infraction for saying this but; this guy is a giant flaming noob, noobs are distracted by shiny things ("ooo anime is PRETTTY!!!") and are turned off by the shit that actually matters ("bleh, drawing from life is boooorrriiing"). the best way to get a noob to get started on *not* being a noob is to distract them with the shiny thing, then slowly guide them in the right direction while they are distracted, ("hey thats a great anime girl! check out this anatomy reference so her boobies will look better!")

    thats what i was getting at, and you ruined it all with your sane artist logic!!! now he knows my ploy, i hope your happy :x

    or i can hope that he actually gives a damn about improving and will take the harder, less shiny route, but i really doubt that.

    hey crazybirdanimations, wanna prove me wrong please?

    With all due respect, that is stupid. Telling anybody to first try out a certain style and then focus on the basics is completely retarded.

    Working on a style first means a lot of horrible mistakes are going to be hardwired into a person's art, and when they later try to focus on the basics, these mistakes make it extremely difficult for them to properly grow as an artist.

    See: falconire
    agreeing with you :P

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  • RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Also your facial expressions are pretty awesome.
    Would be better if your faces them selves made sense.
    are they supposed to be birds?

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    RubberAC wrote: »
    Also your facial expressions are pretty awesome.
    Would be better if your faces them selves made sense.
    are they supposed to be birds?

    I thought the same thing. :P

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  • riotslugriotslug Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    The facial expressions ruled. But, the colours were incredibly distracting. I had no idea what was going on most of the time. You'll have to listen to what most of these guys say and put in the hard work doing basics if you want to improve, but i can see you've got a good eye for faces, so you'll do well.

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  • CrazybirdanimationsCrazybirdanimations Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    doodle1.png
    Still drawn in flash.

    I do not know how to draw in photoshop without the paintbrush having some stupid effect on it, can someone tell me how to fix this?

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  • Spectre-xSpectre-x Rating: AWESOME YESRegistered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Define "stupid effect". Or show us what photoshop doodles look like for you, so we can actually help you with that.

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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Draw by hand and scan some stuff into PS.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I do not know how to draw in photoshop without the paintbrush having some stupid effect on it, can someone tell me how to fix this?

    I'm assuming you mean the fuzziness, change it from paintbrush to pencil, also, make sure any time you use any selection tool that anti-alias box is unchecked, that causes blurries as well.

    but yeah, draw in hand then scan, will be much better. judginq from your style, i suggest a brush and ink.

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  • lilchingch0nglilchingch0ng Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    no love for me

    was just trying to suggest some alternative things to draw other than faces on blobs. i just don't see this guy being terribly interested (or ever doing it anytime soon) in planting himself in front of an easel and doing some life drawing...i'm about to get another infraction aren't i? horray for making baseless assumptions on someone's interests and work ethic!

    *edit*
    for fuzziness just change the brush hardness

    also, for the correct way to learn2draw http://fineart.sk/index.php?cat=1
    see? i don't always offer bad advice.

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  • CrazybirdanimationsCrazybirdanimations Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I'm assuming you mean the fuzziness, change it from paintbrush to pencil, also, make sure any time you use any selection tool that anti-alias box is unchecked, that causes blurries as well.
    sammy1.png
    Alright, now how do I turn this messy thing into something worth looking at?
    I'm assuming you mean the fuzziness, change it from paintbrush to pencil, also, make sure any time you use any selection tool that anti-alias box is unchecked, that causes blurries as well.


    Thanks, problem solved.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    bird thing
    Alright, now how do I turn this messy thing into something worth looking at?

    By studying anatomy! :D

    He looks flat. He has less depth than an Oscar acceptance speech!

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  • MoonmanMoonman Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Wow, just...wow. I mean like, every single one of you just...completely missing the point.

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  • MKRMKR Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    Moonman wrote: »
    Wow, just...wow. I mean like, every single one of you just...completely missing the point.

    Which point?

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  • MykonosMykonos Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    for outline and sketches, heres the brush presets i do...providing your using photoshop that is.

    press f5 to open up your brush window:

    go to shape dynamics and make sure all the sliders are set to zero. then, beneath the size jitter slider where it says control, click on the foldout window select pen pressure. this will vary your pen size to a certain degree based on the pressure you apply to on wacom (i forgot...do you have a wacom, ill continue on assuming you do)

    then, make sure everything else besides shape dynamics is left unchecked in the right menu, except for smoothing. check that.

    now when you sketch, vary your brush size and degree of softness according to your taste. depending on the size of my work, or how close i'm zoomed in, i like to use a size between 1-6, with softness level averaging at about 70 or so. Don't forget your size will vary according to how much pressure you apply to your graphic pen. Anyways, I like to minimize the hardness (65-85) too keep things smooth, and the fuzziness is minimal using a small brush size.. usually, when focused on something specifically detailed, i up the hardness and keep the pen size at about 1 or 2. remember, it varies with the overall size of your work, which in my case i usually work with a canvas size of 8 by 11 inches, similar to a piece of notebook paper.

    now, with regards to your most recent post, try creating a new layer, and go over your line work with the brush preset i layed out for you. when your done, merge the layers or continue on with something else. Remember, what works for me may not necessarily work for you. It's about preference and settings things down the way which is most confortable for you.

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  • MykonosMykonos Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    one more thing, if u want to learn how to get used to all that photoshop has to offer, than your best bet is scan some pencil work and just play around with it till you get a feel of what each tool does and how customize things according to your taste. It took me a few weeks playing around with photographs to get accustomed to everything, and about a week and half to get my first full painting done. What I've found, for myself at least, is that tools that general use for the brunt of my work consist of mainly the paintbrush and the eraser. everything else is ignored until after i'm done and i need to either touch up on a few things, or just experiment. I use about three layers...one for background, outline, and color, and perhaps a fourth layer should i design add something fancy...like a lens glare or blood for instance. key is practice practice practice.

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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited November 2007
    I don't think that anyone in here is missing the point. You're jumping into drawing on the computer too fast. You obviously have some skill in cartooning, but stick to the traditional media and DRAW.

    Line width variation is your friend.

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