Heroic dailies? You mean quests that have you doing the same thing that people have been doing since April? That's not content, at all. Ogri'la is content, because there's at least a veneer of lore to it, and a new town etc. I know for sure that my old guild had people running heroics on occasion(total wow playtime was the factor here, not worthiness of the instances) even while going through SSC.
I'd be very surprised to ever see Kara be what UBRS was. UBRS had basically zero class requirements other than general dps/healing/tanking, Kara has very specific class requirements that change between bosses. There's also a relatively high gear requirement for Prince and Curator, whereas people could run UBRS in greens and blues.
I'm definining non-raid instances, not as specifically 5 mans, but not including Kara and ZA because, well, they're "raids" in the sense of being difficult with gear checks and requiring lots of coordination. Non-raid content is basically by definition all inclusive, raids are exclusive like halfmex said. I guarantee raiders would still be wanting to run completely new 5 man instances, at least briefly, simply because it's different. Non-raiders never get to see the raid instances.
Kara doesn't have class requirements, either to learn or to make it through. Some fights are easier then others with certain classes. But again, it's not a requirement. Shade used to almost require a lock, now the adds can be focus fired down by anyone. Prince and Curator are gear checks but mudflation causes gear to get better.
And it's not just Ogrila but the Netherwing dailies. With casuals, the focus really has been on non-instanced activities. Which really aims at the person who doesn't want to group at all.
Heroic dailies? You mean quests that have you doing the same thing that people have been doing since April? That's not content, at all. Ogri'la is content, because there's at least a veneer of lore to it, and a new town etc. I know for sure that my old guild had people running heroics on occasion(total wow playtime was the factor here, not worthiness of the instances) even while going through SSC.
I'd be very surprised to ever see Kara be what UBRS was. UBRS had basically zero class requirements other than general dps/healing/tanking, Kara has very specific class requirements that change between bosses. There's also a relatively high gear requirement for Prince and Curator, whereas people could run UBRS in greens and blues.
I'm definining non-raid instances, not as specifically 5 mans, but not including Kara and ZA because, well, they're "raids" in the sense of being difficult with gear checks and requiring lots of coordination. Non-raid content is basically by definition all inclusive, raids are exclusive like halfmex said. I guarantee raiders would still be wanting to run completely new 5 man instances, at least briefly, simply because it's different. Non-raiders never get to see the raid instances.
Kara doesn't have class requirements, either to learn or to make it through. Some fights are easier then others with certain classes. But again, it's not a requirement. Shade used to almost require a lock, now the adds can be focus fired down by anyone. Prince and Curator are gear checks but mudflation causes gear to get better.
And it's not just Ogrila but the Netherwing dailies. With casuals, the focus really has been on non-instanced activities. Which really aims at the person who doesn't want to group at all.
*Points at sig*
But Prince is a total Gear Check. It's not even the difficulty of killing him, it's the difficulty of killing him before your luck runs out and the ranged DPS/Healers are scattered and not doing anything while they run for a safe spot.
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Heroic dailies? You mean quests that have you doing the same thing that people have been doing since April? That's not content, at all. Ogri'la is content, because there's at least a veneer of lore to it, and a new town etc. I know for sure that my old guild had people running heroics on occasion(total wow playtime was the factor here, not worthiness of the instances) even while going through SSC.
I'd be very surprised to ever see Kara be what UBRS was. UBRS had basically zero class requirements other than general dps/healing/tanking, Kara has very specific class requirements that change between bosses. There's also a relatively high gear requirement for Prince and Curator, whereas people could run UBRS in greens and blues.
I'm definining non-raid instances, not as specifically 5 mans, but not including Kara and ZA because, well, they're "raids" in the sense of being difficult with gear checks and requiring lots of coordination. Non-raid content is basically by definition all inclusive, raids are exclusive like halfmex said. I guarantee raiders would still be wanting to run completely new 5 man instances, at least briefly, simply because it's different. Non-raiders never get to see the raid instances.
Kara doesn't have class requirements, either to learn or to make it through. Some fights are easier then others with certain classes. But again, it's not a requirement. Shade used to almost require a lock, now the adds can be focus fired down by anyone. Prince and Curator are gear checks but mudflation causes gear to get better.
And it's not just Ogrila but the Netherwing dailies. With casuals, the focus really has been on non-instanced activities. Which really aims at the person who doesn't want to group at all.
*Points at sig*
But Prince is a total Gear Check. It's not even the difficulty of killing him, it's the difficulty of killing him before your luck runs out and the ranged DPS/Healers are scattered and not doing anything while they run for a safe spot.
Aye, but mudflation nullifies gear checks over time. Healers get more raw output over longer periods of time. DPS gets more raw output over time, and tanks stop hits better over time.
Well, I think it's reasonable for players to want raiding to be changed, so that they get to see the endgame content, without all the extra bullshit thrown in. I don’t even know how this could be done, to my standards at least, because simply playing on a set schedule bothers me and to not have that would probably mean much shorter raids, or raids that were far more segmented like Nax's 4 wings.
Simple - give guilds the option of holding back a reset timer for as long as they like. Then you can work on a 25 man raid whenever you want to without worrying about clearing the place in a week.
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Well, I think it's reasonable for players to want raiding to be changed, so that they get to see the endgame content, without all the extra bullshit thrown in. I don’t even know how this could be done, to my standards at least, because simply playing on a set schedule bothers me and to not have that would probably mean much shorter raids, or raids that were far more segmented like Nax's 4 wings.
Simple - give guilds the option of holding back a reset timer for as long as they like. Then you can work on a 25 man raid whenever you want to without worrying about clearing the place in a week.
The problem not necessarily with that, but with the idea of not playing on a set schedule is you have no choice if you don't want to play by yourself. 25 people have to be online at the same time with enough free time to do it. You aren't going to get that happen with any kind of frequency without scheduling it.
Welcome to relying on other people. Check your independence at the door.
I mean, come on. I have a hell of a time getting a five man going on sometimes and I'm either a healer (Priest) or a tank (Paladin), the two most in demand roles in the game. You can't just show up and go "Let's go raiding guys!"
I don't know if thats todays daily but since the world hates me I'm going to just assume it is.
WTB a battlegroup where horde doesn't lose 75% of WST/EOTS
I win 75 percent of the ones I'm in. Try playing at a different time or something.
It just comes down to Battlegroups sometimes. I was losing 95% of all EotS/WSG/AB games I played on my old battlegroup as Horde, regardless of the time I played. I work a weird schedule, so I get to play at several different times of day. It just didn't matter. In my old Battlegroup, the Horde was retarded.
When I transferred to a different Battlegroup, those numbers switched. I still don't think we've lost a WSG in the 3-4 weeks I've been there, and we win the vast majority of AB/EotS/AV.
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To break the boring-as-batshit discussion about raiding thats been going on for three pages, I'd just like to point out that Magus is a crazy fucker.
Well, I finally buckled down to a decision -- the main is getting shelved for a bit while I level my priests -- both my RP-server "Alchemy Alt" and my PvP-server priest alt. The Alchemy alt is the priority, the better to get her to 42nd level and Winter Veil ready.
It's not that I'm bored with the main, in fact I just recently gained the ability to do the Ogri'La dailies with that character. It's just that I feel I'm in something of a holding pattern with her.
yea its a lot fast, currently I'm in Fancy lads as a 70 paladin named Armaros ;-)
I think the new patch is great, only thing I don't like to much is that you can run heroics with honored. A lot of people in bad blues. I think that revered heroics was good because it actually made you try hard to get the gear and stuff and by then you should be running kara and in some epics.
yea its a lot fast, currently I'm in Fancy lads as a 70 paladin named Armaros ;-)
I think the new patch is great, only thing I don't like to much is that you can run heroics with honored. A lot of people in bad blues. I think that revered heroics was good because it actually made you try hard to get the gear and stuff and by then you should be running kara and in some epics.
"I've got everything I need from regular instances, but I've got to run them 5 more times because I need to be revered to go to heroics!". Bleah, forget that noise. I've got several chars at 70, at least three of whom are ready and geared to run heroics. Can't be arsed to get to revered on each and every one of them to be able to go to those aforementioned heroics.
how much faster is the leveling curve in 1-60 with the new patch?
Not that I'm coming back.
I did 26 to 28 on my priest today.
In 83 minutes. At least 12 of which was 'wasted' due to having to backtrack myself rather seriously due to not paying attention to my quest log. That's also mostly grinding, I already did most of my quests in that area.
yea its a lot fast, currently I'm in Fancy lads as a 70 paladin named Armaros ;-)
I think the new patch is great, only thing I don't like to much is that you can run heroics with honored. A lot of people in bad blues. I think that revered heroics was good because it actually made you try hard to get the gear and stuff and by then you should be running kara and in some epics.
except that the people you turn down here run aground the other camp of folks who say you need Heroic gear to start running Kara
and then no one is 'geared' enough for anything
I mean there are four Heroics I can think of off the top of my head that you can do in dungeon blues+greens, and only a handful I can think of that are such intense gear checks that you would require Karazhan epics
yea its a lot fast, currently I'm in Fancy lads as a 70 paladin named Armaros ;-)
I think the new patch is great, only thing I don't like to much is that you can run heroics with honored. A lot of people in bad blues. I think that revered heroics was good because it actually made you try hard to get the gear and stuff and by then you should be running kara and in some epics.
"I've got everything I need from regular instances, but I've got to run them 5 more times because I need to be revered to go to heroics!". Bleah, forget that noise. I've got several chars at 70, at least three of whom are ready and geared to run heroics. Can't be arsed to get to revered on each and every one of them to be able to go to those aforementioned heroics.
"I have never been to Shattered Halls before, quick sign me up to run the heroic version in it."
You are right, it shouldn't take a dozen runs of an instance to get to where you can buy the key, but for Coifang and Hellfire being able to buy the heroic key without ever going through the level 70 instance may not be the best idea either.
I have also never been to Tempest Keep, but I can buy the Heroic Key if I choose to because of reaching revered with Aldor and doing a single Sha'Tar quest afterwards. (Getting Sha'Tar rep from turning in Aldor items was really helpful in that regard.)
So is WoW post level 15 actually playable in hour long chunks?
My resolve is waning. Oh god.
Um, yeah. I can only play long enough to instance run once a week (Sunday night). On Thursdays I can play almost 3 hours -- not quite two hours in the morning, one when I get home at night. Otherwise, it's an hour a day.
I have a 70, a 44, a 42, and several alts in the upper 20's. The alts would be a lot higher but until recently I've spent a lot of time rep grinding on the main.
I had been to Shattered halls on my warlock twice before I went on the heroic run and it was a pug! Compared to my rogue who has been to normal shattered halls a few to many times and I have not tried to it as a heroic.
When I return I am going to join my brother and girlfreind to try to tank the three bosses in normal then heroic Mech. as one
OK, yes, there is the flip side of the coin. I did take a mage who had never been to mechanar before on a heroic mechanar run, and it did make things a bit more painful then it could have been. So there is a flip side. But I would rather blizz erred on the side of permissiveness to run things then on the side of restricting them... at least in the the case of heroics. If you can find a group of people willing to take you to a heroic when you have never been to the regular version... why should blizz stand in the way? Similar questions might be asked vis a vis a person in greens and, say, BT, but blizz has decided to reward only those dedicated to master old content a chance to see new content. But re-running the same ol' dungeon just in a harder mode? pssh. honored is barrier enough.
That and the mobs that hit for 10K on cloth. They are a barrier as well.
graghg, my level 32 rogue (highest on this server) only has 1g-something to her name! How the hell am i going to afford a mount at 40 without stupid-ass amounts of grinding! She has leatherworking and skinning, so thats not an option... O_o
Hm. 43 to 64 in the past week and I'm feeling a bit burned out. Really want to hit 70 because I want to do it up moonkin style in PvP but man.. these last 6 levels are going to eat cock. Fucking Nagrand is such a shite zone.
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Hm. 43 to 64 in the past week and I'm feeling a bit burned out. Really want to hit 70 because I want to do it up moonkin style in PvP but man.. these last 6 levels are going to eat cock. Fucking Nagrand is such a shite zone.
Omg. Nagrand is my favourite zone in the whole of Outland, except maybe for Netherstorm.
Except for the shit monsters walking around in it.
Well yeah, I disliked pretty much every single zone until I got my flying mount, and to a greater degree, my epic flying mount.
Now I love almost all of them, because I can fly above them, and now that I have my epic mount, I can fly above them very quickly, I can appreciate their looks.
yea its a lot fast, currently I'm in Fancy lads as a 70 paladin named Armaros ;-)
I think the new patch is great, only thing I don't like to much is that you can run heroics with honored. A lot of people in bad blues. I think that revered heroics was good because it actually made you try hard to get the gear and stuff and by then you should be running kara and in some epics.
"I've got everything I need from regular instances, but I've got to run them 5 more times because I need to be revered to go to heroics!". Bleah, forget that noise. I've got several chars at 70, at least three of whom are ready and geared to run heroics. Can't be arsed to get to revered on each and every one of them to be able to go to those aforementioned heroics.
"I have never been to Shattered Halls before, quick sign me up to run the heroic version in it."
You are right, it shouldn't take a dozen runs of an instance to get to where you can buy the key, but for Coifang and Hellfire being able to buy the heroic key without ever going through the level 70 instance may not be the best idea either.
I have also never been to Tempest Keep, but I can buy the Heroic Key if I choose to because of reaching revered with Aldor and doing a single Sha'Tar quest afterwards. (Getting Sha'Tar rep from turning in Aldor items was really helpful in that regard.)
Problem with Shattered Halls is that no one ever wants to run it because they have it set in their brain that it's the hardest instance EVER so many people never get to run it.
I don't get how there are so many retarded hunters. The level 10 Hunter quest requires so much random running ("go get me a Dire Mottled Boar! That was easy. Now go get me a Surf Crawler. No, not pygmy. No, not encrusted. Yep, run aaaaaaaaaall the way back to Sen'jin village. Good. Now go get me an Armored Scorpid."
GUYS.
I GET IT.
I CAN TAME STUFF.
YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE ME DO IT THIRTEEN TIMES.
yea its a lot fast, currently I'm in Fancy lads as a 70 paladin named Armaros ;-)
I think the new patch is great, only thing I don't like to much is that you can run heroics with honored. A lot of people in bad blues. I think that revered heroics was good because it actually made you try hard to get the gear and stuff and by then you should be running kara and in some epics.
"I've got everything I need from regular instances, but I've got to run them 5 more times because I need to be revered to go to heroics!". Bleah, forget that noise. I've got several chars at 70, at least three of whom are ready and geared to run heroics. Can't be arsed to get to revered on each and every one of them to be able to go to those aforementioned heroics.
"I have never been to Shattered Halls before, quick sign me up to run the heroic version in it."
You are right, it shouldn't take a dozen runs of an instance to get to where you can buy the key, but for Coifang and Hellfire being able to buy the heroic key without ever going through the level 70 instance may not be the best idea either.
I have also never been to Tempest Keep, but I can buy the Heroic Key if I choose to because of reaching revered with Aldor and doing a single Sha'Tar quest afterwards. (Getting Sha'Tar rep from turning in Aldor items was really helpful in that regard.)
Problem with Shattered Halls is that no one ever wants to run it because they have it set in their brain that it's the hardest instance EVER so many people never get to run it.
I don't get how there are so many retarded hunters. The level 10 Hunter quest requires so much random running ("go get me a Dire Mottled Boar! That was easy. Now go get me a Surf Crawler. No, not pygmy. No, not encrusted. Yep, run aaaaaaaaaall the way back to Sen'jin village. Good. Now go get me an Armored Scorpid."
GUYS.
I GET IT.
I CAN TAME STUFF.
YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE ME DO IT THIRTEEN TIMES.
I thought the same thing on my blood elf hunter. I just got two different stupid animals and now I have to run my ass down to Ghostlands just to tame something and run back? You're a dick. Also, the pet name bar isn't long enough to allow me to name my cat Mr. Mostly Mittens.
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Kara doesn't have class requirements, either to learn or to make it through. Some fights are easier then others with certain classes. But again, it's not a requirement. Shade used to almost require a lock, now the adds can be focus fired down by anyone. Prince and Curator are gear checks but mudflation causes gear to get better.
And it's not just Ogrila but the Netherwing dailies. With casuals, the focus really has been on non-instanced activities. Which really aims at the person who doesn't want to group at all.
*Points at sig*
But Prince is a total Gear Check. It's not even the difficulty of killing him, it's the difficulty of killing him before your luck runs out and the ranged DPS/Healers are scattered and not doing anything while they run for a safe spot.
Aye, but mudflation nullifies gear checks over time. Healers get more raw output over longer periods of time. DPS gets more raw output over time, and tanks stop hits better over time.
Mudflation?
Simple - give guilds the option of holding back a reset timer for as long as they like. Then you can work on a 25 man raid whenever you want to without worrying about clearing the place in a week.
The problem not necessarily with that, but with the idea of not playing on a set schedule is you have no choice if you don't want to play by yourself. 25 people have to be online at the same time with enough free time to do it. You aren't going to get that happen with any kind of frequency without scheduling it.
Welcome to relying on other people. Check your independence at the door.
I mean, come on. I have a hell of a time getting a five man going on sometimes and I'm either a healer (Priest) or a tank (Paladin), the two most in demand roles in the game. You can't just show up and go "Let's go raiding guys!"
It just comes down to Battlegroups sometimes. I was losing 95% of all EotS/WSG/AB games I played on my old battlegroup as Horde, regardless of the time I played. I work a weird schedule, so I get to play at several different times of day. It just didn't matter. In my old Battlegroup, the Horde was retarded.
When I transferred to a different Battlegroup, those numbers switched. I still don't think we've lost a WSG in the 3-4 weeks I've been there, and we win the vast majority of AB/EotS/AV.
It's not that I'm bored with the main, in fact I just recently gained the ability to do the Ogri'La dailies with that character. It's just that I feel I'm in something of a holding pattern with her.
how much faster is the leveling curve in 1-60 with the new patch?
Not that I'm coming back.
Oh god.
God I hate Blizzard.
FUCK THEM.
FUCK THEM ALL TO HELL.
You'll not take me! I destroyed my CD key last time!
I think the new patch is great, only thing I don't like to much is that you can run heroics with honored. A lot of people in bad blues. I think that revered heroics was good because it actually made you try hard to get the gear and stuff and by then you should be running kara and in some epics.
"I've got everything I need from regular instances, but I've got to run them 5 more times because I need to be revered to go to heroics!". Bleah, forget that noise. I've got several chars at 70, at least three of whom are ready and geared to run heroics. Can't be arsed to get to revered on each and every one of them to be able to go to those aforementioned heroics.
I did 26 to 28 on my priest today.
In 83 minutes. At least 12 of which was 'wasted' due to having to backtrack myself rather seriously due to not paying attention to my quest log. That's also mostly grinding, I already did most of my quests in that area.
and then no one is 'geared' enough for anything
I mean there are four Heroics I can think of off the top of my head that you can do in dungeon blues+greens, and only a handful I can think of that are such intense gear checks that you would require Karazhan epics
That's what I said
They all float down here
I can get anyone to level 20 in less than 3 hours before 2.3 the only one I had trouble about is a shaman because I have NO idea how to play one
When I get paid on the 29th if I have more than $50 after I pay a few bills off then back I go
"I have never been to Shattered Halls before, quick sign me up to run the heroic version in it."
You are right, it shouldn't take a dozen runs of an instance to get to where you can buy the key, but for Coifang and Hellfire being able to buy the heroic key without ever going through the level 70 instance may not be the best idea either.
I have also never been to Tempest Keep, but I can buy the Heroic Key if I choose to because of reaching revered with Aldor and doing a single Sha'Tar quest afterwards. (Getting Sha'Tar rep from turning in Aldor items was really helpful in that regard.)
Um, yeah. I can only play long enough to instance run once a week (Sunday night). On Thursdays I can play almost 3 hours -- not quite two hours in the morning, one when I get home at night. Otherwise, it's an hour a day.
I have a 70, a 44, a 42, and several alts in the upper 20's. The alts would be a lot higher but until recently I've spent a lot of time rep grinding on the main.
When I return I am going to join my brother and girlfreind to try to tank the three bosses in normal then heroic Mech. as one
That and the mobs that hit for 10K on cloth. They are a barrier as well.
Good news, everyone!
You don't need your CD key! All it takes is your user name/password!
You don't. The last two are practically impossible.
This is why I also destroyed the CDs to prevent me installing it, although I know you can download the client (and I presume Burning Crusade too...).
SHIT.
I thought I had changed my account password to some nonsense, but apparently not.
"Frozen
This account has been frozen and cannot be used for playing. Please add a payment below to reactivate this account."
I don't have the resolve to delete my account anymore.
Nooooooooooooooo.
You can even have someone cast a scroll of resurrection on your account which gives you ten days to try out your old account.
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Omg. Nagrand is my favourite zone in the whole of Outland, except maybe for Netherstorm.
its so GORGEOUS.
Well yeah, I disliked pretty much every single zone until I got my flying mount, and to a greater degree, my epic flying mount.
Now I love almost all of them, because I can fly above them, and now that I have my epic mount, I can fly above them very quickly, I can appreciate their looks.
Problem with Shattered Halls is that no one ever wants to run it because they have it set in their brain that it's the hardest instance EVER so many people never get to run it.
I don't get how there are so many retarded hunters. The level 10 Hunter quest requires so much random running ("go get me a Dire Mottled Boar! That was easy. Now go get me a Surf Crawler. No, not pygmy. No, not encrusted. Yep, run aaaaaaaaaall the way back to Sen'jin village. Good. Now go get me an Armored Scorpid."
GUYS.
I GET IT.
I CAN TAME STUFF.
YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE ME DO IT THIRTEEN TIMES.
I thought the same thing on my blood elf hunter. I just got two different stupid animals and now I have to run my ass down to Ghostlands just to tame something and run back? You're a dick. Also, the pet name bar isn't long enough to allow me to name my cat Mr. Mostly Mittens.