Well, I'm getting one after X-mas. I'll have about $200 in Best Buy gift cards, so that'll help tremendously.
Question is: how do I go about choosing which one?
The Arcade pack is cool- but no HDD or headset. TRU just lowered the price of the 20g to $50- but is that enough space? I dunno. I've also heard the typepad comes with a headset, so that would be cool.
The Pro pack, while a bit more expensive, has everything I'd need, minus the larger HDD. But- 2 games! (I'd only really like M:UA, but whatever)
Halo 3 pack. Hrm. I loves me some Halo... but do I love it for $399.99? Not sure.
The Elite. The ultimate. The omega. But it's pretty expensive (I'd be dropping at least $250 on it) and it comes with cables I'm probably not going to be using for at least 2 years.
Help me, G&T. You're my only hope.
Unless you plan on downloading a LOT, there is no need for the 120gig hard drive.
Unless you plan on downloading a LOT, there is no need for the 120gig hard drive.
Kinda true, but have you seen the size of the new downloadable xbox games? Some are as big as 4 gigs, thats about 1/4 of my usable space. I've got a 20gig drive right now and I'm considering upgrading.
Unless you plan on downloading a LOT, there is no need for the 120gig hard drive.
Kinda true, but have you seen the size of the new downloadable xbox games? Some are as big as 4 gigs, thats about 1/4 of my usable space. I've got a 20gig drive right now and I'm considering upgrading.
Xbox originals are nice, but buying used copies of the same games is still cheaper.
there is still yet another new chipset coming out in 2008. This one will have the redesigned GPU. The GPU is where the real issue has always been, not in the CPU.
Besides, the new heat sinks in the Zephyr have (supposedly) solved the problem anyway.
Unless you plan on downloading a LOT, there is no need for the 120gig hard drive.
Kinda true, but have you seen the size of the new downloadable xbox games? Some are as big as 4 gigs, thats about 1/4 of my usable space. I've got a 20gig drive right now and I'm considering upgrading.
Xbox originals are nice, but buying used copies of the same games is still cheaper.
I dunno. If it's worth it to you, go for it.
Don't the games work out at something like £5? That's pretty cheap for having the convenience of no disc.
I think 20gigs of space was too small to begin with though, I'm constantly having to delete stuff to make room for new demos and trailers. I can only imagine it's going to get worse as Video marketplace opens and more download content gets released.
Guys I just bought an xbox I am pretty excited about it. My gamertag is Blissey. I'm pretty excited about it.
After the hdmi cable, wifi adapter, and year of live it cost the same as a ps3 lol.
Anyway. I tried to connect it to my pc to play music through wmp 11. Well, it connected but it only can see the music that came with my computer, and playlists I make (none of the music on them). These are just plain mp3s from ocremix, any tips on getting it to see my files?
Guys I just bought an xbox I am pretty excited about it. My gamertag is Blissey. I'm pretty excited about it.
After the hdmi cable, wifi adapter, and year of live it cost the same as a ps3 lol.
Anyway. I tried to connect it to my pc to play music through wmp 11. Well, it connected but it only can see the music that came with my computer, and playlists I make (none of the music on them). These are just plain mp3s from ocremix, any tips on getting it to see my files?
Disable WMP11's sharing and download and use TVersity, it doesn't suck.
does the Best Buy plan let you keep your hard drive?
edit: I ask because my brother wants a 360, I got mine at a Costco and they have a 1 year warranty
I had a launch 360 that recently RRoDed. I had the replacement plan and took it back to Best Buy. I didn't swap out the hard drive, but I'm sure if I complained I would've been able to. As far as I know, the hard drive is tethered to the console, and you would have to get microsoft to reassign it, so I didn't even want to bother. No worries though, as you can just redownload anything you had. You don't have to pay for anything, and you still get all of your gamerpoints, and everything else.
I also was able to swap it out for one of the new 360's w/HDMI and Falcon chipset. It also had Forza 2/Marvel UA. So, it wasn't a bad investment at all.
.....As far as I know, the hard drive is tethered to the console, and you would have to get microsoft to reassign it, so I didn't even want to bother. No worries though, as you can just redownload anything you had. You don't have to pay for anything, and you still get all of your gamerpoints, and everything else.
Wait...
So I can't use my old 20GB hard drive on a new Arcade console, while I wait for my Premium to go on its month-long coffin ride?
Has anyone made the arguement that now is a great time to own a 360, since the library is great now and in the near future, but it's probably best to wait till at least Janurary because there is likely to be some better deals around then, compared to right now durring the build up to Christmas.
If not, I would like to make that point.
Edit: I might be getting a nice little job over Christmas, if so, a bunch of my wages are going in a Jar with the label "Buying myself a 360 in 08" on it
Has anyone made the arguement that now is a great time to own a 360, since the library is great now and in the near future, but it's probably best to wait till at least Janurary because there is likely to be some better deals around then, compared to right now durring the build up to Christmas.
If not, I would like to make that point.
Edit: I might be getting a nice little job over Christmas, if so, a bunch of my wages are going in a Jar with the label "Buying myself a 360 in 08" on it
Has anyone made the arguement that now is a great time to own a 360, since the library is great now and in the near future, but it's probably best to wait till at least Janurary because there is likely to be some better deals around then, compared to right now durring the build up to Christmas.
If not, I would like to make that point.
See, this is what I'm hoping for as well. Come the 2nd week of January, I'll have some cash still, and that'd be the best time for this to happen.
Has anyone made the arguement that now is a great time to own a 360, since the library is great now and in the near future, but it's probably best to wait till at least Janurary because there is likely to be some better deals around then, compared to right now durring the build up to Christmas.
If not, I would like to make that point.
Edit: I might be getting a nice little job over Christmas, if so, a bunch of my wages are going in a Jar with the label "Buying myself a 360 in 08" on it
What deals are you thinking are going to happen in January? They just recently (last 6 months, I think) lowered the price, and I doubt they're going to do it again soon.
You could get one now and play Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, or BioShock. Or you could wait a couple months and probably pay the exact same price. Plus you've got access to a shit-ton of other good games that aren't exclusive (COD4, Rock Band, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion) and Xbox Live Arcade. Right now the 360 has the best line-up of games for it's system ever.
What deals are you thinking are going to happen in January? They just recently (last 6 months, I think) lowered the price, and I doubt they're going to do it again soon.
I think that the RRP for the console will probably be the same in Janurary, but retailers will have really good priced bundles, games (even high profile ones) and accessories will drop in price. Some retailers will sell the console below rrp (that's the case now in the build up to Christmas, so it will only be moreso afterwards). Pretty much any expensive electronics/entertainment product is cheaper in Janurary than it is in December. The 360 is good value now, but will be better value in 16 days time when it is cheaper.
What deals are you thinking are going to happen in January? They just recently (last 6 months, I think) lowered the price, and I doubt they're going to do it again soon.
You could get one now and play Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, or BioShock. Or you could wait a couple months and probably pay the exact same price. Plus you've got access to a shit-ton of other good games that aren't exclusive (COD4, Rock Band, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion) and Xbox Live Arcade. Right now the 360 has the best line-up of games for it's system ever.
Again, it is great to own one right now, and I really want to get one, but buying ahead of the inevitable price cuts in Janurary is not desirable for me. I'm on a pretty limited budget, and price has a very big impact on my purchases. For someone who can easilly afford to buy a 360 now (and I mean really afford not can just about get by) I say go for it and I hope you enjoy the very robust library of quality games, but if that's not the case, wait til Janurary.
.....As far as I know, the hard drive is tethered to the console, and you would have to get microsoft to reassign it, so I didn't even want to bother. No worries though, as you can just redownload anything you had. You don't have to pay for anything, and you still get all of your gamerpoints, and everything else.
Wait...
So I can't use my old 20GB hard drive on a new Arcade console, while I wait for my Premium to go on its month-long coffin ride?
You can. RocketSauce is wrong.
You cannot, however, use stuff you bought from XBLA unless you are logged in to your Live profile.
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If you buy a new premium system that comes with the game bundle, you're probably getting a falcon model.
This isn't necessarily true. I assumed that it was and ordered a bundle online a couple of weeks ago. The model I got was a Zephyr made in July. It looks like Microsoft just took all the unsold premiums with HDMI and put the Marvel/Forza game inside then slapped a couple of stickers on the box.
The best way to see what model you are getting is to go to a brick and mortar store and check the serial number. There's a little tab on the box you can pull out to check. I wish I had done that, but I assumed all the new Premiums with HDMI had the new chips.
You can look at the voltage of the included power supply. It's listed on the box. The new chipsets have power supplies rated at a lower voltage. I don't remember the exact number (maybe 170v vs. 210v), but it's what I used to score a falcon in my new Xbox.
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If you buy a new premium system that comes with the game bundle, you're probably getting a falcon model.
This isn't necessarily true. I assumed that it was and ordered a bundle online a couple of weeks ago. The model I got was a Zephyr made in July. It looks like Microsoft just took all the unsold premiums with HDMI and put the Marvel/Forza game inside then slapped a couple of stickers on the box.
The best way to see what model you are getting is to go to a brick and mortar store and check the serial number. There's a little tab on the box you can pull out to check. I wish I had done that, but I assumed all the new Premiums with HDMI had the new chips.
You can look at the voltage of the included power supply. It's listed on the box. The new chipsets have power supplies rated at a lower voltage. I don't remember the exact number (maybe 170v vs. 210v), but it's what I used to score a falcon in my new Xbox.
The voltage numbers are 175w and 203w with 175w definitely being a Falcon. However a Falcon can also come with the 203w PSU as well. So if you don't see any with 175w check the manufacturing date and the more recently it was produced the better the chance it is a Falcon.
Although apparently MS is working on ANOTHER chipset and the Falcon is no cureall for RROD, it can still break down.
Right now the 360 has the best line-up of games for it's system ever.
I don't know what you're trying to say here. Either you're suggesting that the 360 has the best lineup of ANY system ever, or that the current 360 lineup is the strongest the 360 has had yet. The first is pure opinion (and also flat-out wrong :P), and the second a no-brainer; as a system is out longer and more games are released the collection of games isn't going to get worse, is it?!
For anyone interested, the XBox360 I received from Dell (Canada) with the Halo3 bundle (ordered Nov 1) is lot#736, with a 203W power supply. So apparently a Falcon.
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For anyone interested, the XBox360 I received from Dell (Canada) with the Halo3 bundle (ordered Nov 1) is lot#736, with a 203W power supply. So apparently a Falcon.
it might be a Falcon but it could also be the older Zephyr as well.
Well, I'm not reading this entire thread, but I think I know what it's generally about.
I'd just say, if you want a 360, wait until the RRoD and other technical issues seem to have died down a bit. I doubt that they'll ever actually be solved, but they should at least be able to get the failure rate to something lower than 30%
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Well, I'm not reading this entire thread, but I think I know what it's generally about.
I'd just say, if you want a 360, wait until the RRoD and other technical issues seem to have died down a bit. I doubt that they'll ever actually be solved, but they should at least be able to get the failure rate to something lower than 30%
Well, I'm not reading this entire thread, but I think I know what it's generally about.
I'd just say, if you want a 360, wait until the RRoD and other technical issues seem to have died down a bit. I doubt that they'll ever actually be solved, but they should at least be able to get the failure rate to something lower than 30%
Here's a google page. I really don't feel like sifting through them at the moment and posting all of them, but it's generally accepted by almost everyone that the 360 has a 30% failure rate.
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For anyone interested, the XBox360 I received from Dell (Canada) with the Halo3 bundle (ordered Nov 1) is lot#736, with a 203W power supply. So apparently a Falcon.
it might be a Falcon but it could also be the older Zephyr as well.
Well, I'm not reading this entire thread, but I think I know what it's generally about.
I'd just say, if you want a 360, wait until the RRoD and other technical issues seem to have died down a bit. I doubt that they'll ever actually be solved, but they should at least be able to get the failure rate to something lower than 30%
Here's a google page. I really don't feel like sifting through them at the moment and posting all of them, but it's generally accepted by almost everyone that the 360 has a 30% failure rate.
Looks like one retailer is the source for every article on that page. I wouldn't have chosen a link if I were you either, presenting speculation as fact might have made you look bad.
I'll say that the failure rate of launch machines was higher than is acceptable but the machines in circulation now don't have the same problems. If you happen to be unlucky however, you've got the 3 year warrantee to cover you.
I'm surprised the 360 has such a stigma against it, even once the issues have been solved, whereas the ps2 gets a free pass. I don't remember Sony offering to replace my console when the laser went for the 2nd time.
Well, I'm not reading this entire thread, but I think I know what it's generally about.
I'd just say, if you want a 360, wait until the RRoD and other technical issues seem to have died down a bit. I doubt that they'll ever actually be solved, but they should at least be able to get the failure rate to something lower than 30%
Here's a google page. I really don't feel like sifting through them at the moment and posting all of them, but it's generally accepted by almost everyone that the 360 has a 30% failure rate.
Looks like one retailer is the source for every article on that page. I wouldn't have chosen a link if I were you either, presenting speculation as fact might have made you look bad.
I'll say that the failure rate of launch machines was higher than is acceptable but the machines in circulation now don't have the same problems. If you happen to be unlucky however, you've got the 3 year warrantee to cover you.
I'm surprised the 360 has such a stigma against it, even once the issues have been solved, whereas the ps2 gets a free pass. I don't remember Sony offering to replace my console when the laser went for the 2nd time.
Go to the next page. And then the next one. And also the next one. They all say that.
Oh, and go ask the people in the "My 360 broke. Again." thread if they think 30% is a reasonable estimate.
Also, while I don't doubt that they've improved it some with the newer systems, I highly doubt that is completely fixed.
I also highly doubt that the PS2 had as high of a failure rate as the 360.
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I'm surprised the 360 has such a stigma against it, even once the issues have been solved, whereas the ps2 gets a free pass. I don't remember Sony offering to replace my console when the laser went for the 2nd time.
People will be saying "wait for the hardware to stabilize" thirty years from now.
Now if you will excuse me, I need to go boot up my Playstation, turn it upside down, and have me some FUN!
Go to the next page. And then the next one. And also the next one. They all say that.
Oh, and go ask the people in the "My 360 broke. Again." thread if they think 30% is a reasonable estimate.
Also, while I don't doubt that they've improved it some with the newer systems, I highly doubt that is completely fixed.
I also highly doubt that the PS2 had as high of a failure rate as the 360.
1) That thread was made...when? And how often does it get new posts these days? Right.
2) If you are going to try and appear as if you know what you are talking about, be able to refute opposing arguments with more than "I doubt that." It makes you look just a tad biased.
3) Even if we take your 30% figure and the fact that you 'doubt' certain facts as a given (which it isn't), the fact is that even with the initial hardware difficulties Microsoft has done more in terms of replacement and coverage than Sony ever did for my PS1 that was upside down 99% of its lifespan or any of my three PS2s.
4) Combine the product replacement program with the vastly reduced failure rates with the new chip sets and you have the makings of a situation that would make anyone claiming the hardware sky is falling look moronic.
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I'm surprised the 360 has such a stigma against it, even once the issues have been solved, whereas the ps2 gets a free pass. I don't remember Sony offering to replace my console when the laser went for the 2nd time.
People will be saying "wait for the hardware to stabilize" thirty years from now.
Now if you will excuse me, I need to go boot up my Playstation, turn it upside down, and have me some FUN!
I think I'll go blow on my NES cartridges then jiggle them around inside the system and play some Contra!
I'm surprised the 360 has such a stigma against it, even once the issues have been solved, whereas the ps2 gets a free pass. I don't remember Sony offering to replace my console when the laser went for the 2nd time.
People will be saying "wait for the hardware to stabilize" thirty years from now.
Now if you will excuse me, I need to go boot up my Playstation, turn it upside down, and have me some FUN!
I think I'll go blow on my NES cartridges then jiggle them around inside the system and play some Contra!
Go to the next page. And then the next one. And also the next one. They all say that.
Oh, and go ask the people in the "My 360 broke. Again." thread if they think 30% is a reasonable estimate.
Also, while I don't doubt that they've improved it some with the newer systems, I highly doubt that is completely fixed.
I also highly doubt that the PS2 had as high of a failure rate as the 360.
You might want to check the date on the articles, they're all from 6 months back. There's no doubt the 360 has a high failure rate, but as high as that? Who knows. The 360s on the shelves are versions with lower failure rates because of improvements made to the design.
Also, going into a thread about broken 360s and asking them 'what rate do you think 360s fail at?' is retarded. They're in that thread because their 360s broke, their view will be slightly biased. I'm not claiming the failure rate wasn't higher than normal, I just don't think its 1/3 of the install base.
As for it being completely fixed, only time will tell. They're either being extremely confident with their 3 year warrantee, or hoping that people won't mind the inconvenience of sending their console off for 2 weeks out of the year. Either way, I'm not bothered, I'll put up with a minor inconvenience if it means I can play awesome games the rest of the year.
Edit: The ps2 might have had roughly the same failure rate, remember the class action lawsuit over the Laser? Yeah, didn't Sony lose that?
I'm surprised the 360 has such a stigma against it, even once the issues have been solved, whereas the ps2 gets a free pass. I don't remember Sony offering to replace my console when the laser went for the 2nd time.
People will be saying "wait for the hardware to stabilize" thirty years from now.
Now if you will excuse me, I need to go boot up my Playstation, turn it upside down, and have me some FUN!
Go to the next page. And then the next one. And also the next one. They all say that.
Oh, and go ask the people in the "My 360 broke. Again." thread if they think 30% is a reasonable estimate.
Also, while I don't doubt that they've improved it some with the newer systems, I highly doubt that is completely fixed.
I also highly doubt that the PS2 had as high of a failure rate as the 360.
1) That thread was made...when? And how often does it get new posts these days? Right.
2) If you are going to try and appear as if you know what you are talking about, be able to refute opposing arguments with more than "I doubt that." It makes you look just a tad biased.
1) When I first came here a few weeks ago, that thread was getting posted in all the time.
2) "I doubt that" is valid enough when the 360 has such a massive failure rate. I "doubt" that any other system has been that bad.
Oh, and the "LOL, MY OLD SYSTEM BROKE TOO" people?
That's because it's OLD. The 360, having just come out, should not be dying this early. It should take some time and deterioration for it to die.
EDIT: WickerBasket:
In six months, it's not too likely that the situation has been improved that much. Especially if Microsoft had to extend its warranty so recently. Also, if it's "New consoles are better", wait and see if they actually are. They might not be.
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I'm surprised the 360 has such a stigma against it, even once the issues have been solved, whereas the ps2 gets a free pass. I don't remember Sony offering to replace my console when the laser went for the 2nd time.
People will be saying "wait for the hardware to stabilize" thirty years from now.
Now if you will excuse me, I need to go boot up my Playstation, turn it upside down, and have me some FUN!
I think I'll go blow on my NES cartridges then jiggle them around inside the system and play some Contra!
...you don't have the cleaning kit?
Pagan.
I had a cleaning kit.
Didn't seem to be any better than my stank breath though.
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Look, no one really knows exactly what the failure rate of the X360 is. The article you're quoting is relying upon figures from "a former Gamestop associate" which is probably the worst source for anything I've ever seen in a "news" story ever.
It doesn't really matter, though. The damn thing is warranted against the Red-Ring for three years for free. I'm not saying that everyone has to want a 360, but I am saying that worrying that the system will RROD is a dumb reason not to.
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Look, no one really knows exactly what the failure rate of the X360 is. The article you're quoting is relying upon figures from "a former Gamestop associate" which is probably the worst source for anything I've ever seen in a "news" story ever.
It doesn't really matter, though. The damn thing is warranted against the Red-Ring for three years for free. I'm not saying that everyone has to want a 360, but I am saying that worrying that the system will RROD is a dumb reason not to.
There wasn't just the "Former Gamestop associate". There was also someone who worked for EA (I think it was EA, could be wrong on that one) who also said it had a 30% failure rate. There was another group who said that it could have up to a 60% one (I find this a bit hard to believe, but it was there), and they got that from their own pole.
I would say that if he has another console, go ahead and get the 360 as well. But I would not at all suggest buying a system which is that likely to die on you unless you have something else to play while you wait to get it back.
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Unless you plan on downloading a LOT, there is no need for the 120gig hard drive.
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Xbox originals are nice, but buying used copies of the same games is still cheaper.
I dunno. If it's worth it to you, go for it.
Besides, the new heat sinks in the Zephyr have (supposedly) solved the problem anyway.
I think 20gigs of space was too small to begin with though, I'm constantly having to delete stuff to make room for new demos and trailers. I can only imagine it's going to get worse as Video marketplace opens and more download content gets released.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
Anyway. I tried to connect it to my pc to play music through wmp 11. Well, it connected but it only can see the music that came with my computer, and playlists I make (none of the music on them). These are just plain mp3s from ocremix, any tips on getting it to see my files?
Edit: Just figured it out. Apparently it is required that the music be located in the my music folder.
Disable WMP11's sharing and download and use TVersity, it doesn't suck.
I had a launch 360 that recently RRoDed. I had the replacement plan and took it back to Best Buy. I didn't swap out the hard drive, but I'm sure if I complained I would've been able to. As far as I know, the hard drive is tethered to the console, and you would have to get microsoft to reassign it, so I didn't even want to bother. No worries though, as you can just redownload anything you had. You don't have to pay for anything, and you still get all of your gamerpoints, and everything else.
I also was able to swap it out for one of the new 360's w/HDMI and Falcon chipset. It also had Forza 2/Marvel UA. So, it wasn't a bad investment at all.
Ah, didn't see that you'd gotten it to work. In that case, don't fuck with it.
The big draw used to be that TVersity would transcode unsupported formats, but now that the 360 supports DivX/Xvid that's less of an issue.
So I can't use my old 20GB hard drive on a new Arcade console, while I wait for my Premium to go on its month-long coffin ride?
If not, I would like to make that point.
Edit: I might be getting a nice little job over Christmas, if so, a bunch of my wages are going in a Jar with the label "Buying myself a 360 in 08" on it
Make it two jars and buy one for me plskaytnxbye
See, this is what I'm hoping for as well. Come the 2nd week of January, I'll have some cash still, and that'd be the best time for this to happen.
What deals are you thinking are going to happen in January? They just recently (last 6 months, I think) lowered the price, and I doubt they're going to do it again soon.
You could get one now and play Gears of War, Halo 3, Mass Effect, or BioShock. Or you could wait a couple months and probably pay the exact same price. Plus you've got access to a shit-ton of other good games that aren't exclusive (COD4, Rock Band, Assassin's Creed, Oblivion) and Xbox Live Arcade. Right now the 360 has the best line-up of games for it's system ever.
I think that the RRP for the console will probably be the same in Janurary, but retailers will have really good priced bundles, games (even high profile ones) and accessories will drop in price. Some retailers will sell the console below rrp (that's the case now in the build up to Christmas, so it will only be moreso afterwards). Pretty much any expensive electronics/entertainment product is cheaper in Janurary than it is in December. The 360 is good value now, but will be better value in 16 days time when it is cheaper.
Again, it is great to own one right now, and I really want to get one, but buying ahead of the inevitable price cuts in Janurary is not desirable for me. I'm on a pretty limited budget, and price has a very big impact on my purchases. For someone who can easilly afford to buy a 360 now (and I mean really afford not can just about get by) I say go for it and I hope you enjoy the very robust library of quality games, but if that's not the case, wait til Janurary.
You can. RocketSauce is wrong.
You cannot, however, use stuff you bought from XBLA unless you are logged in to your Live profile.
You can look at the voltage of the included power supply. It's listed on the box. The new chipsets have power supplies rated at a lower voltage. I don't remember the exact number (maybe 170v vs. 210v), but it's what I used to score a falcon in my new Xbox.
The voltage numbers are 175w and 203w with 175w definitely being a Falcon. However a Falcon can also come with the 203w PSU as well. So if you don't see any with 175w check the manufacturing date and the more recently it was produced the better the chance it is a Falcon.
Although apparently MS is working on ANOTHER chipset and the Falcon is no cureall for RROD, it can still break down.
I don't know what you're trying to say here. Either you're suggesting that the 360 has the best lineup of ANY system ever, or that the current 360 lineup is the strongest the 360 has had yet. The first is pure opinion (and also flat-out wrong :P), and the second a no-brainer; as a system is out longer and more games are released the collection of games isn't going to get worse, is it?!
it might be a Falcon but it could also be the older Zephyr as well.
To find out for sure there is a test you can do.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2409/1603431576_79878d9bd7_o.jpg
basically 2 inductors = falcon
http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=244035
This would be the most definitive test.
so if you see two inductors (the green donut shaped things with copper wrapped around them) you have a Falcon.
If you have 3 you have a Zephyr
I'd just say, if you want a 360, wait until the RRoD and other technical issues seem to have died down a bit. I doubt that they'll ever actually be solved, but they should at least be able to get the failure rate to something lower than 30%
Source on the 30% figure.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=XBox+360+30%25+failure+rate&btnG=Google+Search
Here's a google page. I really don't feel like sifting through them at the moment and posting all of them, but it's generally accepted by almost everyone that the 360 has a 30% failure rate.
Well color me Zephyr. My Dell x360 has the 3 inductors.
I'll say that the failure rate of launch machines was higher than is acceptable but the machines in circulation now don't have the same problems. If you happen to be unlucky however, you've got the 3 year warrantee to cover you.
I'm surprised the 360 has such a stigma against it, even once the issues have been solved, whereas the ps2 gets a free pass. I don't remember Sony offering to replace my console when the laser went for the 2nd time.
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Go to the next page. And then the next one. And also the next one. They all say that.
Oh, and go ask the people in the "My 360 broke. Again." thread if they think 30% is a reasonable estimate.
Also, while I don't doubt that they've improved it some with the newer systems, I highly doubt that is completely fixed.
I also highly doubt that the PS2 had as high of a failure rate as the 360.
People will be saying "wait for the hardware to stabilize" thirty years from now.
Now if you will excuse me, I need to go boot up my Playstation, turn it upside down, and have me some FUN!
1) That thread was made...when? And how often does it get new posts these days? Right.
2) If you are going to try and appear as if you know what you are talking about, be able to refute opposing arguments with more than "I doubt that." It makes you look just a tad biased.
3) Even if we take your 30% figure and the fact that you 'doubt' certain facts as a given (which it isn't), the fact is that even with the initial hardware difficulties Microsoft has done more in terms of replacement and coverage than Sony ever did for my PS1 that was upside down 99% of its lifespan or any of my three PS2s.
4) Combine the product replacement program with the vastly reduced failure rates with the new chip sets and you have the makings of a situation that would make anyone claiming the hardware sky is falling look moronic.
Also, going into a thread about broken 360s and asking them 'what rate do you think 360s fail at?' is retarded. They're in that thread because their 360s broke, their view will be slightly biased. I'm not claiming the failure rate wasn't higher than normal, I just don't think its 1/3 of the install base.
As for it being completely fixed, only time will tell. They're either being extremely confident with their 3 year warrantee, or hoping that people won't mind the inconvenience of sending their console off for 2 weeks out of the year. Either way, I'm not bothered, I'll put up with a minor inconvenience if it means I can play awesome games the rest of the year.
Edit: The ps2 might have had roughly the same failure rate, remember the class action lawsuit over the Laser? Yeah, didn't Sony lose that?
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1) When I first came here a few weeks ago, that thread was getting posted in all the time.
2) "I doubt that" is valid enough when the 360 has such a massive failure rate. I "doubt" that any other system has been that bad.
Oh, and the "LOL, MY OLD SYSTEM BROKE TOO" people?
That's because it's OLD. The 360, having just come out, should not be dying this early. It should take some time and deterioration for it to die.
EDIT: WickerBasket:
In six months, it's not too likely that the situation has been improved that much. Especially if Microsoft had to extend its warranty so recently. Also, if it's "New consoles are better", wait and see if they actually are. They might not be.
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It doesn't really matter, though. The damn thing is warranted against the Red-Ring for three years for free. I'm not saying that everyone has to want a 360, but I am saying that worrying that the system will RROD is a dumb reason not to.
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I would say that if he has another console, go ahead and get the 360 as well. But I would not at all suggest buying a system which is that likely to die on you unless you have something else to play while you wait to get it back.