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The Beginning of the END?
BakerIsBored
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*This thread is intended for fun purposes only.* (SERIOUS PEOPLE NEED NOT APPLY)
The Matrix may not be real, but could it happen?
Now I'm not talking verbatim from the movie, but could humans be facing a war in our not to distant future with our own technology?
I started to think more about this after reading this article (combined with a few other articles) posted today on MSNBC.
Robo-racers take over ghost town’s streets
Then I read over this article posted yesterday.
Microscopic radio sets miniaturization record
To think that we only saw cars driving themselves in movies, now becoming a part of reality, how many other "sci-fi" subjects may become apart of today’s society?
Video Games.. the Beginning of the End. IF robots ever did take over the world, and we were to travel back in time, I think VG would be the building blocks for our own demise. Dev's constantly work on trying to make video games more realistic; graphics, physics and computer A.I. "Bots" can now work in groups, call for back up, set up traps, retreat, basically mimicking everything we do.
Japan is already talking about creating robots to help around the house. (so instead of cars driving on their own, we have robots doing our laundry and cleaning up) It’s as if the movie irobot is now becoming apart of reality.
Between the internet (form of transferring data), video games (where the virtual world becomes more like the physical world), and increasingly smarter A.I. what steps as humans are we putting in place to prevent such movies as the Matrix or IROBOT from becoming real? Should there be international laws as to what sort of tech should be developed?
Now this is just a discussion for fun. It’s easy to just start making fun of anyone for ideas such as these. But I'm curious if any of you have had any of these thoughts before and what could possible outcomes be.
The Matrix may not be real, but could it happen?
Now I'm not talking verbatim from the movie, but could humans be facing a war in our not to distant future with our own technology?
I started to think more about this after reading this article (combined with a few other articles) posted today on MSNBC.
Robo-racers take over ghost town’s streets
Then I read over this article posted yesterday.
Microscopic radio sets miniaturization record
To think that we only saw cars driving themselves in movies, now becoming a part of reality, how many other "sci-fi" subjects may become apart of today’s society?
Video Games.. the Beginning of the End. IF robots ever did take over the world, and we were to travel back in time, I think VG would be the building blocks for our own demise. Dev's constantly work on trying to make video games more realistic; graphics, physics and computer A.I. "Bots" can now work in groups, call for back up, set up traps, retreat, basically mimicking everything we do.
Japan is already talking about creating robots to help around the house. (so instead of cars driving on their own, we have robots doing our laundry and cleaning up) It’s as if the movie irobot is now becoming apart of reality.
Between the internet (form of transferring data), video games (where the virtual world becomes more like the physical world), and increasingly smarter A.I. what steps as humans are we putting in place to prevent such movies as the Matrix or IROBOT from becoming real? Should there be international laws as to what sort of tech should be developed?
Now this is just a discussion for fun. It’s easy to just start making fun of anyone for ideas such as these. But I'm curious if any of you have had any of these thoughts before and what could possible outcomes be.
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Seriously though, if you put yourself in the 50-80s sci-fi mindset and read Fark's geek section you'll be surprised by how many of those headlines have been featured in books or stories, or just as background noise for a movie.
edit: Linky-link.
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Add eating and pooping to that list and you've at least got my average day!
You mean like batteries?
Basically, Second Life > Better graphics, more depth (economy, government) > virtual reality devices > VR + video games > VR + MMOs > 5 - 10 years time > believable virtual world
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301736,00.html
It's Fox News, so that makes it funnier.
I think that too. I know that if I were running the Matrix, I would make a film of it exist inside the matrix, just to mess with peoples minds.
And then make totally fucked up sequels.
Haha, that’s assuming robots ever receive 'equal rights'.
Hell yes.
My impression of that paper is that it is kind of basic. Observe me in reproducing the argument in tl;dr fashion:
There are 2 possibilities:
And another 2 possibilities:
Then, observe that possibility 1 of the first 2 and possibility 2 of the second 2 possibilities are unlikely to coincide (this argument does involve some probalistic hoop jumping). Furthermore, if there are finite resources in the galaxy, we are forced into simulation someday or die out (An important axiom on which the whole argument stands or falls down). Thus we are left with three possibilities:
Maybe I explained it a bit wonkily, but that's the gist of it. I don't think you can really give any probabilities for those possibilities, but the paper tries anyway.
I see a collapse of our capitalistic world wide economy within this century happening in the following way:
- Companies become more and more adept at exploiting scarcity through ownership.
- People get fed up with this and design more and more advanced machines countering scarcity in an open source process, like this one.
- People migrate to independent high-tech farming communes that are largely self-sustained, made possible by these machines.
- Either governments and companies play nice with this trend, or fuck it up somehow. Either way, both become obsolete someday.
This will happen before transhumanism. It would transform our culture into a much more individualistic one, since you can make more and more by yourself with some support of a small community. There are simple barriers that technology must cross to make this possible, but they will be crossed and someday, we will even live in total personal independence (possibly involving transhumanist adaptations of our bodies, maybe even full scale reality simulation)."Love and sex with robots are inevitable."
Best quote in a long time.
I never asked for this!
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Easy. Space colonization.
And don't give me that "we need to solve our problems on earth before we try to colonize other planets" BS. Colonizing other planets will help solve our problems here.
The sequels were made to make us think the first one wasn't true.
We will never colonize other planets or star systems. Space was a nice dream, but I don't think we'll be able to overcome the obstacles in a timely manner.
We may eventually be able to throw a bunch of frozen people in an arcology and send it to somewhere it will take a few hundred years to reach, but that's hardly a viable method of population control.
Insofar as limited resources, yes.
Insofar as human need to destroy shit, etc etc, no.
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Recycling is much easier if the production is done at home. Open source designs could be optimized to be easily recyclable, and you'd really want them to be recyclable to make the failures in iterative design not too costly. Plastics can be made from crops. Conductors are a lot harder to 'grow' at home, since they usually involve some kind of metal, but we already see some progress in plastic conductor research and solutions will probably be found there.
Resource problems will only drive people to be more independent from them. People won't suddenly give up because they don't have the old fashioned resources anymore, alternatives will become cheaper and more researched as they become more needed.
The point of moving to high tech communal farms is that you can resource most your stuff at 'home' if you redesign everything using bioplastics and other renewables. You don't have to attain total independence from the get go. It can be done gradually, while doing research on the subject, slowly replacing all of our economically sourced goods with self-sourced ones.
We as people are constantly shrinking our tech. What scares me, isn't the idea of huge killer robots, but small killer robots, nano-robots. If these scientists can create a radio device smaller than a human hair, not visable to the naked eye, what about killer robots smaller than human hairs. What if we create a robotic AI that learns size kills. Begins mass production on a small robot that flys around, lands on you "enters your blood stream" (as what they plan on doing in that article) and releases deadly chemicals, electrical shock to brain, or many other things.
-- George Bernard Shaw
I have a problem with this sentiment right here. It seems a lot of people have it too.
People have this misconception that video games are at the cutting edge of technology for AI, physics and video processing. Sure, they're cutting edge for entertainment technology, but they're way behind the curve as far as technology as a whole. Videogames are not the catalyst for improved technology - it is the other way around - they are the Consumer Electronics culmination of technology that has already been proved and applied.
It's a bit like saying that the latest Toyota or Nissan is cutting edge, when they forget that there's a whole motorsport industry that the technology trickles down from.
The Penny Arcade forums will only function until Sarah Connor registers. At that point, you weak pathetic meatbags are totally screwed.
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What I was trying to point out with that, we are programming 'bots' "ingame" to work together to kill 'you'... and every year it improves greatly. FarCry's 'bots' are much smarter than Quake 'bot's. Now we have games like Assassins Creed which use "predictive movement".. Once kinks are worked out for non-virtual robots, as in movement and functionality, would it be all that hard to implement A.I. used in games (like Rainbow Six games/etc) to get robots to work in tactical groups?
hahahaha (thanks for creating an account for my thread :P)
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Don't DO that.
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I found that article, and others about the incident, a bit suspect, and did some research. The weapon is a 20 year old design, and can't fire on its own, despite reports. It has automated reloading, rangfinding, and tracking (once a target is selected), but is still controlled either remotely or directly. The actual report from the South African military says that the gun jammed while being used, was lowered to the transport position, and then the jam was improperly cleared, causing the gun to swing out of alignment and fire several rounds at ground level.
http://technology.newscientist.com/article/dn12812-robotic-rampage-unlikely-reason-for-deaths.html
Operator error does not make for a robotic rampage.
Last year there was some team at MIT (I think) that was interviewed with a soccer playing group of robots they had developed using ground-breaking AI techniques to achieve co-operation with each other. This team-work AI is vastly more advanced because it cannot be governed by pre-programmed environments, obstacles and opponents like in a game. It has to address each problem as it is presented.
TL;DR
Game AI is programmed to deal with specific scenarios, pre-defined obstacles, allies and enemies.
Real life AI is being developed to determine it's own thought process, independent on what is has to work with, or against.
So they have an updated article about the previous story I had posted. I find this quite humorous.
So now we can compare soccer moms to robots
Key found to making robots human-friendly
And hell, I'd never have to rush and clean up before people came over, because my house would always be clean.
Honestly, the more I think about it the more awesome I think the idea is. We should probably give robots the 3 Laws though.
Although that sounds pretty good... Almost all tech created for good can also be used for bad. Think of how many hackers there are in the world. If future robots have crap like Bluetooth (or something alike) and a hacker uploads a 'killing script'... which could spread like wildfire to other bots(due to more and more wifi popping up, transfer of data is going to be insane in the future) ... could be bad news. :P
Although, I wouldn't mind a robot dedicated to doing my laundry, me and my GF would have less to fight about.... maybe it will boil down to arguments like "NO, YOU DIDN'T CHARGE THE ROBOT!" "What am I doing to wear? Nothing is clean and the robot is out of juice"