Cisco Routers

AtomBomb

I have a few questions about the Cisco 1841 router.

What is the difference between this version ($1490) and this version ($899)? The more expensive one has "SEC/K9" after the model number. I'm guessing that this is preinstalled security software, but I'm not sure. The cases are colored differently, but that's all I really see. The specs seem to be the same.

More importantly, can anyone decipher this?

Cisco 1841 Router Bundle w/WIC-1DSU-T1-V2, 32FL/128DR

That's what our T1 provider wants to sell us for $2,200 (but they say it's regularly $2,395, so bargain for us :x). I get the feeling that we're getting bent over on this one...

Snowcone

SEC/K9 refers to the version of IOS that comes preloaded on the router. I don't know the exact specifics of it as I'm no CCNA, but that's why the price difference. As for the bundle, that comes with a T1 card. The card runs $725 from CDW so without that, they are charging you $1475 for the router, which as long as it has the SEC/K9 IOS you are right in line with Newegg, if not... they might be marking that up a little high.

AtomBomb

Thanks Snowcone. That makes me feel better about the purchase.

Snowcone

I also forgot one very important thing. The T1 WIC card they are including is only necessary if this device is receiving the T1 directly and acting as the edge device. I've currently got a T1 and a Fiber run for data at my office, both of them have edge devices provided by the service provider with standard Ethernet jacks for connecting our equipment to. If your service provider is willing to provide a device they manage as the edge device, you shouldn't need the T1 card. My suspicion is that they are trying to sell you the equipment that many places might furnish cheap or even as part of your monthly fee. Ask and see if they'll rent you the device for $10 or $20/month instead of buying it for $2200... that way you avoid a hefty initial investment on something you may only use for 3-5 years.

Heck, even at $50/month for 3 years you actually still end up ahead:
36*$50 = $1800

This is assuming you didn't want to use the device with a later service provider.... It's all in your intentions.

AtomBomb

Thanks again Snowcone. This router is for an office that is way outside the city and our provider (Time Warner Telecom) is not willing to rent the device to us because the location is too remote for them to provide service on it. They are going to do the initial setup, and support it for 90 days, but after that we're on our own. I imagine they would offer us phone support, but they're not going to send out a truck. Initially they were going to let us rent it (for $75/month!), but they changed their minds.

Anyway, the point of that is to say that I think the router will be receiving the T1 directly. I'm going to ask one of our reps though. Is this a non-moronic way of phrasing the question:

"Does the router come with a T1 card? If so, is it going to be receiving the T1 directly or will it be fed from an edge device that remains the property of TW?"

Thanks again, you've been very helpful.

Slagmire

AtomBomb wrote: »

Thanks again Snowcone. This router is for an office that is way outside the city and our provider (Time Warner Telecom) is not willing to rent the device to us because the location is too remote for them to provide service on it. They are going to do the initial setup, and support it for 90 days, but after that we're on our own. I imagine they would offer us phone support, but they're not going to send out a truck. Initially they were going to let us rent it (for $75/month!), but they changed their minds.

Anyway, the point of that is to say that I think the router will be receiving the T1 directly. I'm going to ask one of our reps though. Is this a non-moronic way of phrasing the question:

"Does the router come with a T1 card? If so, is it going to be receiving the T1 directly or will it be fed from an edge device that remains the property of TW?"

Thanks again, you've been very helpful.

Are there other local providers in the area you could shop around (AT&T/Sprint/Verizon)?

PirateJon

Typically if you purchase a T1, anything after the demarc is your responsibility and that would include a CSU/DSU or T1 card.

And since they want to sell you a t1 wic, well, there you go.

Snowcone

AtomBomb wrote: »

Thanks again Snowcone. This router is for an office that is way outside the city and our provider (Time Warner Telecom) is not willing to rent the device to us because the location is too remote for them to provide service on it. They are going to do the initial setup, and support it for 90 days, but after that we're on our own. I imagine they would offer us phone support, but they're not going to send out a truck. Initially they were going to let us rent it (for $75/month!), but they changed their minds.

Anyway, the point of that is to say that I think the router will be receiving the T1 directly. I'm going to ask one of our reps though. Is this a non-moronic way of phrasing the question:

"Does the router come with a T1 card? If so, is it going to be receiving the T1 directly or will it be fed from an edge device that remains the property of TW?"

Thanks again, you've been very helpful.

That WIC card IS the T1 card so just verify that this device will be connected directly to the T1.

Snowcone

PirateJon wrote: »

Typically if you purchase a T1, anything after the demarc is your responsibility and that would include a CSU/DSU or T1 card.

And since they want to sell you a t1 wic, well, there you go.

My backup data T1 runs through a telco provided Adtran device. There is an ethernet handoff to our router. The adtran is set to forward all traffic to our device. I have access to the adtran, but haven't the foggiest clue how to configure it aside from changing the clock.

tribenet

SEC/K9 usually refers to an encryption license for using 3DES for VPN tunnels, for example.

necroSYS

AtomBomb wrote: »

More importantly, can anyone decipher this?

Cisco 1841 Router Bundle w/WIC-1DSU-T1-V2, 32FL/128DR

Wireless Internet Card
1 DSU
T1
32 MB Flash Memory
128 MB DRAM