I was just about to go hunt it down. Thunderstealer.
This is what happens when you wait 10 minutes.
Terribly sorry. I'll be sure to be faster at hunting down threads while at the same time posting in other threads and trying to pretend I'm busy when my boss walks by.
I'm bored at work and can't wait for Vegas, so instead of actually being productive I decided to go ahead and come up with some Mutilate builds for WotLK that I'm going to possibly try out. Feel free to rip them apart, I haven't been Mutilate in quite some time.
The only thing that sucks about the new Mutilate deep tree talents is that they are all so damn good that it's really hard to decide on which to give up if you want a solid raiding build. I decided to give up the 1 energy on Focused Attacks so I could get the +10% offhand damage.
You need to give up either 10% offhand damage, 10% rupture damage, or 1 energy on your 30% chance to get energy back on a melee critical hit (which doesn't compare to potency imo).
Something to think about is that, as it's currently implemented, Cut to the Chase only gives you Slice and Dice if you already have Slice and Dice up. I didn't think it was this way upon my initial reading of the talent but have heard that's how it works from reading Vulajin's thread about Beta.
For your second build this would allow you to drop Cut to the Chase for finishing Find Weakness and picking up Serrated Blades. +50% rupture damage seems pretty decent, especially if you can get a feral druid for Mangle and/or an Arms Warrior for Trauma.
Something to think about is that, as it's currently implemented, Cut to the Chase only gives you Slice and Dice if you already have Slice and Dice up. I didn't think it was this way upon my initial reading of the talent but have heard that's how it works from reading Vulajin's thread about Beta.
For your second build this would allow you to drop Cut to the Chase for finishing Find Weakness and picking up Serrated Blades. +50% rupture damage seems pretty decent, especially if you can get a feral druid for Mangle and/or an Arms Warrior for Trauma.
I must have mis-read the talent, but yeah, you're right. After re-reading it I see that now.
Aight, so I need some advice on a rogue build. I have a pure Combat rogue on a server, so I'm not looking for another standard cookie-cutter Sword Combat Rogue.
But I would like something that is heavy on Assassination or Subtlety that is viable for leveling. Note that I don't mind going down the combat tree, but I'd rather not be focused there.
Aight, I think I'm going to go Subtlety---I just can't decide if I want to go Daggers or Swords. Right now my Rogue has 5/5 MOD and 1/5 Opportunity---meaning I'm leaning towards Daggers since a Hemo build doesn't have near as much use for Opportunity.
But, I'm thinking I can use a mod like Outfitter to switch to MH Dagger on Stealth and then back to Swords once out of Stealth. If I did something like that Hemo would still be viable but I guess then I would still want to pick up the Ambush talents to strengthen that part.
Will doing a sort of dagger/sword hybrid ultimately be gimped or should it be perfectly viable?
I just did a search on wowhead and i have come up with this
Riposte exists
Dismantle exists
Riposte requires a parry and slows weapon speed, 6 second cd.
Dismantle is on a 1 min CD and disarms the target, also disarming a shield.
They don't always remove old spells though. Curse of Shadows, which was removed in 2.4.3, still exists. And when I say they, I mean blizzard, considering you can use the Link button to get the in-game and the game still seems to know about the spell. You just can't use it anymore.
They've also replaced spell entries instead of adding and depreciating the old one before in the past though, so who knows...
End on
I wish that someway, somehow, that I could save every one of us
The 5 points leading up to the combat 51 pointer should be 1 of 2 things. A talent that gives you the ability to wield two handers or a talent that reduces the energy cost of sinister strike. Only then will you have a build more attractive than sf/combat.
Aight, I think I'm going to go Subtlety---I just can't decide if I want to go Daggers or Swords. Right now my Rogue has 5/5 MOD and 1/5 Opportunity---meaning I'm leaning towards Daggers since a Hemo build doesn't have near as much use for Opportunity.
But, I'm thinking I can use a mod like Outfitter to switch to MH Dagger on Stealth and then back to Swords once out of Stealth. If I did something like that Hemo would still be viable but I guess then I would still want to pick up the Ambush talents to strengthen that part.
Will doing a sort of dagger/sword hybrid ultimately be gimped or should it be perfectly viable?
It's doable, but if you want to level as subtlety I'd opt for a dodge-utility build that allows for consistent DPS and high mitigation for minimal downtime and lots of fun .
You've already placed points into subtlety so if you want you can simply continue to go down the tree, but the tree offers next to nothing until you get down to Hemo - if I were to relevel a rogue I would spend my points into assassination first to relentless strikes, then into combat for imp SS and some dodge - when you hit 30 I would respec into subtlety and go straight down the tree from there. If you don't want to be bothered respeccing only to respec back I'm sure you'll be fine, but the other trees have entry level talents that are much more beneficial when you're starting out.
If I were to recommend a build to you I would go with this build. It's what I used to level my rogue from the mid 60s to 70 and it was simply fantastic.
People discount how valuable high dodge and setup can be. If you gear for dodge and agility you'll be mitigating huge amounts of damage without disrupting (rather, you're actually improving) CP generation, which is important while leveling up. This build gives you many escape options and the tools to do off-the-wall things as you're leveling, which can help if you want if you really want to do things solo.
The filler points in sub are Elusiveness and Heightened Senses - I thoroughly enjoy these talents but they're by no means a necessity in the build, you can put them where you please. The other points I'd pretty much leave as they are.
Again, I want to stress how important Setup is. It's an amazing talent that, if you work with it, is more than worth the talents points you invest in it (WTB the WotLK version, which is even *better*).
That sounds pretty good, actually, but since I've already got 4/5 in Opportunity, I think after that I want to try to go for 3/3 Imp. Ambush to see how effective it will be----I like some of the other alternatives for Sub builds and I imagine they'll ultimately be more viable, but I want to see how far this rabbit hole will take me
Part of the reason I'm hesitant to respec is that I've already done it once to get 5/5 MOD. I can afford the respec, but I would hate to do my second one at level 18.
That sounds pretty good, actually, but since I've already got 4/5 in Opportunity, I think after that I want to try to go for 3/3 Imp. Ambush to see how effective it will be----I like some of the other alternatives for Sub builds and I imagine they'll ultimately be more viable, but I want to see how far this rabbit hole will take me
Part of the reason I'm hesitant to respec is that I've already done it once to get 5/5 MOD. I can afford the respec, but I would hate to do my second one at level 18.
If you're doing any kind of dagger build, it's best to get puncturing wounds in the assassination tree ASAP - it really puts the hurt into your dagger moves. Things to work around that would be opportunity, remorseless attacks, imp ambush, imp gouge, lethality, etc. Things that allow you to get behind the opponent, keep you there and stab them to death in three hits.
This kind of build isn't bad, but it's hard to perform when the perfect scenario doesn't play itself out. Do make sure you get those talents if you're going daggers though, as they really do maximize your performance.
And yes, I know "It's so much worse at 90 with 90% humidity blah blah blah etc etc."
They both suck.
Oh don't worry, i'll be inside air conditioned casino's the entire time just drinking myself into a coma.
Seriously, who does "outside" in Vegas during the day? Unless it's go into the desert and shoot machine guns, in which case you do that early in the morning or at dusk. Daytime in Vegas is for sleeping off your drunk.
And yes, I know "It's so much worse at 90 with 90% humidity blah blah blah etc etc."
They both suck.
Oh don't worry, i'll be inside air conditioned casino's the entire time just drinking myself into a coma.
Seriously, who does "outside" in Vegas during the day? Unless it's go into the desert and shoot machine guns, in which case you do that early in the morning or at dusk. Daytime in Vegas is for sleeping off your drunk.
* Rogue energy mechanics have now been changed, they now return energy every 1/10th of a second instead of 20 every 2, this change makes energy generation more fluid.
Combat
* Kick: This ability is no longer affected by the global cooldown.
Kick (/interrupts in general I suppose) being off GCD is so awesome. It sucked ass having to sit there tempering your DPS because there was some fast cast spell/ability coming up that you couldn't let get off and the GCD+lag was going to make you look like a worthless jackass.
So does anyone here have a Beta key that has had a chance to play around with the Rogue class? If so, I would like to pick your brain / ask you to try out a few things. If you are a Beast on Ravenholdt I can make it worth your while.
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Mutilate Raiding Build
Mutilate PvP / Solo PvE / 5-Man Build
Another Mutilate PvP Build that skips Cut to the Chase in its current form
Not Mutilate, but this could be a pretty fun PvP Dagger Build
My "OMG SF COMBAT" Build
And if deep Combat gets some love
Sadly, Hemo looks like it's going to the wayside, but this build may survive...
The only thing that sucks about the new Mutilate deep tree talents is that they are all so damn good that it's really hard to decide on which to give up if you want a solid raiding build. I decided to give up the 1 energy on Focused Attacks so I could get the +10% offhand damage.
You need to give up either 10% offhand damage, 10% rupture damage, or 1 energy on your 30% chance to get energy back on a melee critical hit (which doesn't compare to potency imo).
For your second build this would allow you to drop Cut to the Chase for finishing Find Weakness and picking up Serrated Blades. +50% rupture damage seems pretty decent, especially if you can get a feral druid for Mangle and/or an Arms Warrior for Trauma.
I must have mis-read the talent, but yeah, you're right. After re-reading it I see that now.
Don't come here, Chaser. It's fucking hot.
(110, 15% humidity)
And yes, I know "It's so much worse at 90 with 90% humidity blah blah blah etc etc."
They both suck.
Oh don't worry, i'll be inside air conditioned casino's the entire time just drinking myself into a coma.
Oh... well in that case, enjoy!
But I would like something that is heavy on Assassination or Subtlety that is viable for leveling. Note that I don't mind going down the combat tree, but I'd rather not be focused there.
But, I'm thinking I can use a mod like Outfitter to switch to MH Dagger on Stealth and then back to Swords once out of Stealth. If I did something like that Hemo would still be viable but I guess then I would still want to pick up the Ambush talents to strengthen that part.
Will doing a sort of dagger/sword hybrid ultimately be gimped or should it be perfectly viable?
They don't always remove old spells though. Curse of Shadows, which was removed in 2.4.3, still exists. And when I say they, I mean blizzard, considering you can use the Link button to get the in-game and the game still seems to know about the spell. You just can't use it anymore.
They've also replaced spell entries instead of adding and depreciating the old one before in the past though, so who knows...
It's doable, but if you want to level as subtlety I'd opt for a dodge-utility build that allows for consistent DPS and high mitigation for minimal downtime and lots of fun
You've already placed points into subtlety so if you want you can simply continue to go down the tree, but the tree offers next to nothing until you get down to Hemo - if I were to relevel a rogue I would spend my points into assassination first to relentless strikes, then into combat for imp SS and some dodge - when you hit 30 I would respec into subtlety and go straight down the tree from there. If you don't want to be bothered respeccing only to respec back I'm sure you'll be fine, but the other trees have entry level talents that are much more beneficial when you're starting out.
If I were to recommend a build to you I would go with this build. It's what I used to level my rogue from the mid 60s to 70 and it was simply fantastic.
People discount how valuable high dodge and setup can be. If you gear for dodge and agility you'll be mitigating huge amounts of damage without disrupting (rather, you're actually improving) CP generation, which is important while leveling up. This build gives you many escape options and the tools to do off-the-wall things as you're leveling, which can help if you want if you really want to do things solo.
The filler points in sub are Elusiveness and Heightened Senses - I thoroughly enjoy these talents but they're by no means a necessity in the build, you can put them where you please. The other points I'd pretty much leave as they are.
Again, I want to stress how important Setup is. It's an amazing talent that, if you work with it, is more than worth the talents points you invest in it (WTB the WotLK version, which is even *better*).
Ghalan - Tauren Druid
Part of the reason I'm hesitant to respec is that I've already done it once to get 5/5 MOD. I can afford the respec, but I would hate to do my second one at level 18.
If you're doing any kind of dagger build, it's best to get puncturing wounds in the assassination tree ASAP - it really puts the hurt into your dagger moves. Things to work around that would be opportunity, remorseless attacks, imp ambush, imp gouge, lethality, etc. Things that allow you to get behind the opponent, keep you there and stab them to death in three hits.
This kind of build isn't bad, but it's hard to perform when the perfect scenario doesn't play itself out. Do make sure you get those talents if you're going daggers though, as they really do maximize your performance.
Ghalan - Tauren Druid
I'm outside a lot for work.
Needs more not being a private video.
Such a needed change...
The fuck, it was literally JUST working.
Vimeo is being fucking lame about gaming videos so I guess that's the reason.
/bitterandtwisted
wait what?
I think he's saying he expects a nerf, since they gave you a buff.
Blizzard giveth. Blizzard taketh away.
Shadow Dance -
Energy Regen -
And that energy regen is awesome. No more having 39 energy and cursing.
Or being at 30 energy and you only need 5 more for kidney shot.
So does anyone here have a Beta key that has had a chance to play around with the Rogue class? If so, I would like to pick your brain / ask you to try out a few things. If you are a Beast on Ravenholdt I can make it worth your while.
True, but it probably balances out really quickly with not needing to wait 2 seconds to kill something at the end.