Just ask in corp chat for someone to come clear the rats out of your belt. That's the point I'm trying to make, you don't need to be able to handle the rats, there's plenty of us dossing about in Epr0s, probably ratting anyway, that you can just call in a clean up crew and you needn't have your mining interrupted for any longer than it takes to warp out of the belt, wait for some else to get the agro and then warp back in. Just keep your eyes peeled for hostiles.
Just hearing that makes me want to really sign up again. Have things settled down with moving from sector to sector and doing all sorts of PvP nonsense? Can I just live happily in epros for a while and mine and sell and be content with this game as being the ultimate space sim? I am ready to create my account again and spend some time mining with some great fury, the thought of all those mining lasers going and mining drones doing their thing.. oh sexy times.
I really should sign up again and get back to mining.
Ok, I don't quite understand what happened to make the Reds go whack DMC. This is what I have so far.
DMC carebears make a deal with Reds, they get Sov4 somewhere, in exchange, they build a titan for the Reds at or near cost. They build the titan, then get greedy and try to sell it for significantly higher than the agreed upon value. Then something happens with another Russian corp where they manage to trick the DMC guy in charge of the Titan into undocking it from the SMA where it bounces out of the POS shields and they hop in and log off. Shortly after, DMC wins the GM lotto and gets the titan put back. DMC now not going to get anything for the titan and are being summarily stripped of all they hold dear.
That seem right? Am I missing anything?
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that sounds close, from what my contacts in DMC told me, they agreed to sell to RA for some price, after they came under RA protection RA demanded that they give it to them for less (40b which is under materials cost from what I understand) and DMC told them to F' off, then they tried to sell the titan to someone else, and got tricked into launching it from the SMA (what a retard!) and the titan got stolen. The bug that causes this is and the actions of the theives were an obvious exploit and I'm pretty sure something as ginormus as a titan getting stolen caught the GM's attention, thats why they got it back.
From what I understand of titan launching mechanics, when you eject it from a capital ship assembly array, it appears too close to the CSAA and bounces off. Apparently the safe way to handle this is to either hop in before it zooms too far away, or to do it at a quiet time when no-one else is around. RA has built several titans and was aware of this mechanic, while DMC was not. It's arguable whether taking advantage of that knowledge is an exploit.
However, I've also heard that RA/XIX had managed to get their hands on the POS shield password, which if true makes the titan bouncing irrelevant as RA would have managed to snag the titan even if it didn't bounce.
Either way, that was an extremely questionable move on the GMs part as they didn't have any server logs to substantiate the claim (see GM statements about titan bowling) and didn't even bother to ask the titan thief for his side of the story. The GM just took one side's statement as absolute fact and then acted on it. Scamming and thieving in themselves are perfectly valid forms of play in EVE and it's extremely annoying when GMs try to alter the game because of their personal morality views.
I have a problem with "bugs" in Eve. There is zero official documentation on how shit is supposed to work in the game. CCP is fucking notorious for their lack of documentation. Undocking a titan has worked in the manner described since the introduction of the shiptype. If you get into the Titan-making business, it behooves you to learn how every step of the process works. It is disingenous at best to describe the Titan bouncing as a bug. The individual who undocked the Titan suffered the loss due to his own shameless ignorance of game mechanics that were fundamental to his situation. Taking advantage of the weak and stupid is one of the primary aspects of Eve, and for a GM to come in and fix it seriously undermines this bedrock element of Eve gameplay. Nobody gets their ship back because they didn't know that gate was camped.
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the actions of the theives were an obvious exploit
look at how dumb you are
wow a post nitpicking at my grammar, good one, maybe for an encore you could contribute something useful to the conversation, but I admit I'm most likely asking far more of you than you're capable of. for the record I'm just repeating what DMC people told me, anyone with an agenda can shove it up their ass.
what I meant to say was, the titan being bounced out of the pos on launch is a known bug, apparently the guy in charge of the SMA at the time didn't know this crucial bit of info, and got tricked into launching it, the trick and the thieves running off with the titan WAS AN EXPLOIT, they attempted to use a known bug to do something which they should not have been able to do, so the GM's did their job.
I have a problem with "bugs" in Eve. There is zero official documentation on how shit is supposed to work in the game. CCP is fucking notorious for their lack of documentation. Undocking a titan has worked in the manner described since the introduction of the shiptype. If you get into the Titan-making business, it behooves you to learn how every step of the process works. It is disingenous at best to describe the Titan bouncing as a bug. The individual who undocked the Titan suffered the loss due to his own shameless ignorance of game mechanics that were fundamental to his situation. Taking advantage of the weak and stupid is one of the primary aspects of Eve, and for a GM to come in and fix it seriously undermines this bedrock element of Eve gameplay. Nobody gets their ship back because they didn't know that gate was camped.
are you trying to say that a dry dock accelerating a ship the size of a small moon to 50k a second from a standing start is intentional?
its a bug that has to do with where the SMA spawns ships in space conflicting with the vast size of a titan, it's not an intended mechanic, it's something they haven't fixed yet, granted we all know that happens and he really should have known but that doesn't change it from a bug into an intended mechanic.
If that's how it's always worked, and CCP knows about it and hasn't fixed in the last..however many patches, you can't really call it a bug or an exploit.
The thieves exploited the ignorance of the guy in charge of the SMA, but that happens all the time, and is not a game mechanic issue. Of course DMC people are going to scream bug and exploit, it's their titan, but it's really just stupidity, and the GM should never have gotten involved.
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they haven't fixed the lag either, and it took them how long to make freighters work with posses? I'm just saying there's a difference between an intended feature that works how they envisioned it to, and something they can't fix without changing other things they don't want to change. The GM's did their job in this instance, weather or not the bug has been addressed, exploiting it is still against the TOS, your right that they should document it and tell everyone though.
Ships without the POS password or with the wrong password are bounced out of the POS. Its always been this way. Why should DMC expect a Titan to be any different? Its a poor game mechanic but not an exploit as its never been labeled as an exploit or even an unintentional bug. CCP designed the POS to do this and its even on their outdated website under the POS information page. So how is it an exploit if its supposed to happen?
So what we have is DMC disagreeing with a game mechanic and a ship's worth justifying the intervention of GMs into a matter they should not have involved themselves with. If this was a carrier, would the GM have done anything? Also, the GM placed the CEO of the corp into the titan, even though he was not skilled enough to board it (DMC doesn't have a titan pilot).
Ships without the POS password or with the wrong password are bounced out of the POS. Its always been this way. Why should DMC expect a Titan to be any different? Its a poor game mechanic but not an exploit as its never been labeled as an exploit or even an unintentional bug. CCP designed the POS to do this and its even on their outdated website under the POS information page. So how is it an exploit if its supposed to happen?
So what we have is DMC disagreeing with a game mechanic and a ship's worth justifying the intervention of GMs into a matter they should not have involved themselves with. If this was a carrier, would the GM have done anything? Also, the GM placed the CEO of the corp into the titan, even though he was not skilled enough to board it (DMC doesn't have a titan pilot).
Nah it's an exploit. A ship launched from a sma/csma shouldn't get bounced.
CCP also seems to suffer from the 'pet project syndrome'.
One person gets an idea and starts to implement changes or new features. Said person then leaves the company.. project gets abandoned. Recent casualty seems to be the API key uses. Previous examples are the New player experiment and the Amarr Holy scriptures :P. Pet projects are fine of course but once they get rolling they should be supported beyond the shelf life of whoever was in charge.
The help files and further documentation in EVE are terrible. Months of experimenting and I still cannot figure out how to get some things to work. In the case of Titan ejection that is something I consider reimbursable. There is no way to put it back after the test. There is no way to know until you test. Much like the POS bowling, shooting through tower shields and many other cases we fine unintended side effects that CCP has trouble owning up to. *shrug*
Will the DX10 client for this be worthless if you aren't running vista? (8800GT)
I hate the thought of EvE making me upgrade (downgrade)
they rolled back the release of the DX10 client, they're waiting for DX10.1 to be finalized, if you're waiting on that then you should know all the pretty pictures are from DX9.0c on max graphics.
Ships without the POS password or with the wrong password are bounced out of the POS. Its always been this way. Why should DMC expect a Titan to be any different? Its a poor game mechanic but not an exploit as its never been labeled as an exploit or even an unintentional bug. CCP designed the POS to do this and its even on their outdated website under the POS information page. So how is it an exploit if its supposed to happen?
So what we have is DMC disagreeing with a game mechanic and a ship's worth justifying the intervention of GMs into a matter they should not have involved themselves with. If this was a carrier, would the GM have done anything? Also, the GM placed the CEO of the corp into the titan, even though he was not skilled enough to board it (DMC doesn't have a titan pilot).
you're confusing well known issue with intended game mechanic, I'm not saying they weren't idiots, if only because CCP is somewhat haphazard in enforcing it's own rules, or even stating them, they were stupid because there was about a 50/50 chance CCP would just say "you knew it's your own fault". I'm wondering if this particular issue (using the bounce "feature"/bug to steal the ship) has yet come up, if this is a first case we may be seeing CCP policy that just wasn't made explicit.
either way, I highly doubt CCP intended for it to work that way, it's just so rare that one of these get's built that it's not something they consider urgent on their "fix it" list.
Ships without the POS password or with the wrong password are bounced out of the POS. Its always been this way.
Ships of the owning corporation or alliance are not jettisoned from the shields in any event. Only ships from a corp/alliance that does not own the shields will be jettisoned.
the actions of the theives were an obvious exploit
look at how dumb you are
wow a post nitpicking at my grammar, good one, maybe for an encore you could contribute something useful to the conversation, but I admit I'm most likely asking far more of you than you're capable of. for the record I'm just repeating what DMC people told me, anyone with an agenda can shove it up their ass.
Ignore cymoro's trolling, hes just OMG-BUTTHURT since i jewed his raven ^__^
As on case of exploit, it was stupid move on the russians part.
Any retard whuld have known that using that bump bug will cause drama.
They were compleetly retardet. I whuld have waited for GM to put it back inside POS shields (since he cant put it back inside array cause no one can pilot it BUT it was launched - tough luck) then drive inside the pos and jew it.
I whuld actualy petettion it myself to be putted inside shields, before the Drone people do, to prevent GM STUPIDITY and being putted back to array. Since no one of them can pilot it, yet they launched, it supposed to STAY outside.
But its ok, no RA or they pet can ever come close to SIDDY'S ULTIMATE SHIP JEWING SKILLS!
An Ark? What for? We have not needed those since the giant space flood 212 years ago. Besides, I cannot sell you one without permission from the current Emperor.. who happens to be dead right now and not in the talking mood. Sorry.
CCP also seems to suffer from the 'pet project syndrome'.
One person gets an idea and starts to implement changes or new features. Said person then leaves the company.. project gets abandoned. Recent casualty seems to be the API key uses. Previous examples are the New player experiment and the Amarr Holy scriptures :P. Pet projects are fine of course but once they get rolling they should be supported beyond the shelf life of whoever was in charge.
The help files and further documentation in EVE are terrible. Months of experimenting and I still cannot figure out how to get some things to work. In the case of Titan ejection that is something I consider reimbursable. There is no way to put it back after the test. There is no way to know until you test. Much like the POS bowling, shooting through tower shields and many other cases we fine unintended side effects that CCP has trouble owning up to. *shrug*
Just ask in corp chat for someone to come clear the rats out of your belt. That's the point I'm trying to make, you don't need to be able to handle the rats, there's plenty of us dossing about in Epr0s, probably ratting anyway, that you can just call in a clean up crew and you needn't have your mining interrupted for any longer than it takes to warp out of the belt, wait for some else to get the agro and then warp back in. Just keep your eyes peeled for hostiles.
Just hearing that makes me want to really sign up again. Have things settled down with moving from sector to sector and doing all sorts of PvP nonsense? Can I just live happily in epros for a while and mine and sell and be content with this game as being the ultimate space sim? I am ready to create my account again and spend some time mining with some great fury, the thought of all those mining lasers going and mining drones doing their thing.. oh sexy times.
I really should sign up again and get back to mining.
Well, we basically currently 'own' epr0s, so yeah, our ass is settled for just now. As in, we actually own the station, it has our name on it and everything. The frontline moves around a lot, but if you aren't PvPing then Epr0s is your MerchI home.
Siddy, our chat channels don't translate very well. You should get your alt into MerchI too, the squad channels are horrible. The MerchI corp chat is where true intellectual discourse happens; its a lot like the D and D forum.
Siddy, our chat channels don't translate very well. You should get your alt into MerchI too, the squad channels are horrible. The MerchI corp chat is where true intellectual discourse happens; its a lot like the D and D forum.
Oh man, that wall of text nearly crushed me. That fucker can talk for goddamn ever. About nothing. They cyno'd in a bunch of bombers that got destroyed. How did he get so many words out of that?
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'They' say he is some professional writer. A decent battle report is a fine thing but at some point? He has lost the forest for the trees. This conflict has a very long history (several years). You learn to tune most of it out. There is so much more that I could say. Walls of text to show the length and transformation of this conflict. That particular demonstration is rather tame.
I have had my moments with SF (which is how I was temp banned from SHC). Happily, I can laugh at the carnival. Perhaps my friend Tuco sums everything up best, 'When you have to shoot, shoot, don’t talk.'
JC is one of Eve's legendary forum whores. He and Star Fraction were bigshots during the dark early days of 0.0 politics, where being able to bury caod in wordy propaganda was useful. They haven't been relevant for a long time, but JC has retained his wall-of-text syndrome.
An Ark? What for? We have not needed those since the giant space flood 212 years ago. Besides, I cannot sell you one without permission from the current Emperor.. who happens to be dead right now and not in the talking mood. Sorry.
Awww come on my logistics guys are begging for one
I am getting closer to getting back into EVE. Someone has said I coild borrow their Hulk as they told me they never use it. He said I'll have to go find my own mining crystals but as long as I can hang out in some belts and mine some rocks I will be really happy.
Can someone check to see if I was kicked out of the corp? Name is Jezo. If not is there now an office in E-Pros I can get back in at?
I am completely torn on this again, half of me wants to jump back in and start mining, the other half of me says stay away and clean up your bedroom.
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Just hearing that makes me want to really sign up again. Have things settled down with moving from sector to sector and doing all sorts of PvP nonsense? Can I just live happily in epros for a while and mine and sell and be content with this game as being the ultimate space sim? I am ready to create my account again and spend some time mining with some great fury, the thought of all those mining lasers going and mining drones doing their thing.. oh sexy times.
I really should sign up again and get back to mining.
I KISS YOU!
DMC carebears make a deal with Reds, they get Sov4 somewhere, in exchange, they build a titan for the Reds at or near cost. They build the titan, then get greedy and try to sell it for significantly higher than the agreed upon value. Then something happens with another Russian corp where they manage to trick the DMC guy in charge of the Titan into undocking it from the SMA where it bounces out of the POS shields and they hop in and log off. Shortly after, DMC wins the GM lotto and gets the titan put back. DMC now not going to get anything for the titan and are being summarily stripped of all they hold dear.
That seem right? Am I missing anything?
Steam
Only the strong can help the weak.
However, I've also heard that RA/XIX had managed to get their hands on the POS shield password, which if true makes the titan bouncing irrelevant as RA would have managed to snag the titan even if it didn't bounce.
Either way, that was an extremely questionable move on the GMs part as they didn't have any server logs to substantiate the claim (see GM statements about titan bowling) and didn't even bother to ask the titan thief for his side of the story. The GM just took one side's statement as absolute fact and then acted on it. Scamming and thieving in themselves are perfectly valid forms of play in EVE and it's extremely annoying when GMs try to alter the game because of their personal morality views.
Steam
Only the strong can help the weak.
is an exploit
look at how dumb you are
wow a post nitpicking at my grammar, good one, maybe for an encore you could contribute something useful to the conversation, but I admit I'm most likely asking far more of you than you're capable of. for the record I'm just repeating what DMC people told me, anyone with an agenda can shove it up their ass.
what I meant to say was, the titan being bounced out of the pos on launch is a known bug, apparently the guy in charge of the SMA at the time didn't know this crucial bit of info, and got tricked into launching it, the trick and the thieves running off with the titan WAS AN EXPLOIT, they attempted to use a known bug to do something which they should not have been able to do, so the GM's did their job.
are you trying to say that a dry dock accelerating a ship the size of a small moon to 50k a second from a standing start is intentional?
its a bug that has to do with where the SMA spawns ships in space conflicting with the vast size of a titan, it's not an intended mechanic, it's something they haven't fixed yet, granted we all know that happens and he really should have known but that doesn't change it from a bug into an intended mechanic.
The thieves exploited the ignorance of the guy in charge of the SMA, but that happens all the time, and is not a game mechanic issue. Of course DMC people are going to scream bug and exploit, it's their titan, but it's really just stupidity, and the GM should never have gotten involved.
Steam
Only the strong can help the weak.
So what we have is DMC disagreeing with a game mechanic and a ship's worth justifying the intervention of GMs into a matter they should not have involved themselves with. If this was a carrier, would the GM have done anything? Also, the GM placed the CEO of the corp into the titan, even though he was not skilled enough to board it (DMC doesn't have a titan pilot).
Nah it's an exploit. A ship launched from a sma/csma shouldn't get bounced.
I hate the thought of EvE making me upgrade (downgrade)
One person gets an idea and starts to implement changes or new features. Said person then leaves the company.. project gets abandoned. Recent casualty seems to be the API key uses. Previous examples are the New player experiment and the Amarr Holy scriptures :P. Pet projects are fine of course but once they get rolling they should be supported beyond the shelf life of whoever was in charge.
The help files and further documentation in EVE are terrible. Months of experimenting and I still cannot figure out how to get some things to work. In the case of Titan ejection that is something I consider reimbursable. There is no way to put it back after the test. There is no way to know until you test. Much like the POS bowling, shooting through tower shields and many other cases we fine unintended side effects that CCP has trouble owning up to. *shrug*
What DX10 client?
they rolled back the release of the DX10 client, they're waiting for DX10.1 to be finalized, if you're waiting on that then you should know all the pretty pictures are from DX9.0c on max graphics.
you're confusing well known issue with intended game mechanic, I'm not saying they weren't idiots, if only because CCP is somewhat haphazard in enforcing it's own rules, or even stating them, they were stupid because there was about a 50/50 chance CCP would just say "you knew it's your own fault". I'm wondering if this particular issue (using the bounce "feature"/bug to steal the ship) has yet come up, if this is a first case we may be seeing CCP policy that just wasn't made explicit.
either way, I highly doubt CCP intended for it to work that way, it's just so rare that one of these get's built that it's not something they consider urgent on their "fix it" list.
Ships of the owning corporation or alliance are not jettisoned from the shields in any event. Only ships from a corp/alliance that does not own the shields will be jettisoned.
Too bad our competent dictors got shredded by the BoB screening Drakes and our allies were either too downs or spy to keep the Motherships bubbled.
Ignore cymoro's trolling, hes just OMG-BUTTHURT since i jewed his raven ^__^
As on case of exploit, it was stupid move on the russians part.
Any retard whuld have known that using that bump bug will cause drama.
They were compleetly retardet. I whuld have waited for GM to put it back inside POS shields (since he cant put it back inside array cause no one can pilot it BUT it was launched - tough luck) then drive inside the pos and jew it.
I whuld actualy petettion it myself to be putted inside shields, before the Drone people do, to prevent GM STUPIDITY and being putted back to array. Since no one of them can pilot it, yet they launched, it supposed to STAY outside.
But its ok, no RA or they pet can ever come close to SIDDY'S ULTIMATE SHIP JEWING SKILLS!
Whuldent be first time
you just need to excuse my french
"pet projects"
Like POS's for example
Well, we basically currently 'own' epr0s, so yeah, our ass is settled for just now. As in, we actually own the station, it has our name on it and everything. The frontline moves around a lot, but if you aren't PvPing then Epr0s is your MerchI home.
You horrible, horrible man.
I KISS YOU!
Fixed a few hours after release.
Speaking of stupid-ass posts, did you see that guy who tried to explain away the 50-man stealth bomber gang that attacked you lot?
Steam
Only the strong can help the weak.
I have had my moments with SF (which is how I was temp banned from SHC). Happily, I can laugh at the carnival. Perhaps my friend Tuco sums everything up best, 'When you have to shoot, shoot, don’t talk.'
Awww come on my logistics guys are begging for one
Can someone check to see if I was kicked out of the corp? Name is Jezo. If not is there now an office in E-Pros I can get back in at?
I am completely torn on this again, half of me wants to jump back in and start mining, the other half of me says stay away and clean up your bedroom.
Argh.
I KISS YOU!