I tried Dreamlords on multiple occasions, in beta, at release, and at this new wave. The whole thing felt very disjointed and clunky. The game itself is alright, but it is fairly standard RTS fare without the base building. Overall, I would not suggest playing it.
I love reading about Requiem, I find it hilarious. It's like the lead designer is a 13 year old, or Todd McFarlane, but I guess that's pretty much the same thing with regards to imagination. It's all Blood Blood Dark Blood Evil Dark Evil Tainted Blood Dark.
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Every MMO has to have the "evil" characters. I don't know wtf happened, but all of a sudden, every MMO in the world has dark, blood, or chaos something.
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Every MMO has to have the "evil" characters. I don't know wtf happened, but all of a sudden, every MMO in the world has dark, blood, or chaos something.
People got a bit tired of always playing the good guy.
I'm still waiting for a game where I can play Neutral Good or True Neutral.
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spookymuffin( ° ʖ ° )Puyallup WA Registered Userregular
edited June 2008
There doesn't have to be good and bad, just differences. DAoC didn't really have any evil races, and it was spread out over 3 realms.
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Is there an easy mmo to get into, that doesn't require much hdd space and is not ugly or a grindfest at all?
small download and pretty are usually mutually exclusive. I don't know many free games that don't require some form of grinding and those ones are usually hard to get into.
I think Lunia strikes a good balance, combat is easy to understand but hard to master, game has celshaded graphics that look okay-ish, grinding doesn't kick in until much later and is never *really* needed.
Once I have some free time I was going to ask LewieP about this, he seems to have made a pretty good site with quite some traffic.
I want to make a searchable database with an option for people to fill out some parameters and it'll come up with suggestions then. And a way for people to leave their comments and ratings on games. So yeah, kinda like mmorpg.com, but less retarded and only mentioning free stuff.
Hmm. I have been playing an MMO called Grand Chase. It's an MMO that plays quite well. It's more comparable to SSBB then Ragnarok Online, at least. Ima post a full review at some point.
I got an invite to Warrior Epic yesterday and just installed. Very strange game, so far. I haven't found any sort of NDA, so I'll post some impressions in a bit.
Also, the beta came with 10 invites, so if anyone's interested (you may want to wait for impressions :P) then just let me know.
I've been giving Dofus another look and ran into Dofus Arena. It's an online SRPG version of Dufus combat. You control a team instead of one player, and it's all PVP. I wish there were more MMOSRPGS like this.
It's still in beta so the interface kind of sucks and it's pretty confusing at first. The engine is better than Dofus. Same art style, better effects. Mac/Linux/PC. I've only been fooling around with it for a few hours, so don't consider this a endorsement.
I got an invite to Warrior Epic yesterday and just installed. Very strange game, so far. I haven't found any sort of NDA, so I'll post some impressions in a bit.
Also, the beta came with 10 invites, so if anyone's interested (you may want to wait for impressions :P) then just let me know.
If it's anything decent you should make a thread for it, either here or in GT (depending on quality, only the most awesome stuff survives in GT (like Ikariam))
beta.lyrae: the site is extremely slow for me, but am I correct in that it isn't a MMO but a normal online game? Can you explain the Massive part to me if it's there?
It's hard to say either way about Warrior Epic right now. When I got the invite I didn't realize how very, very early the build was. Only half the characters are available, most of the quests don't work yet, the playerbase is tiny; when I was on last night there were less than 40 people at a time.
As for the game itself . . . again, hard to tell. It's clearly meant to be played in groups, since soloing is nearly impossible without lots and lots of pregrind. The gameplay is really simple, with almost no UI or hotkeys available, and most everything being mouse controlled. You have HP represented by little hearts, like a Zelda game, and there's no way to refill it during a mission besides potions, which must be bought with "real world" money and can only be carried 3 at a time. You can also die 3 times during a mission, the first 2 bringing you back with most of your health. So if you're soloing it can just be impossible for you to kill everything, you just run out of health by the end of the level.
I'd liken it most to Guild Wars: everything is instanced and follow a linear, progressive story (there isn't even a hub city), skills are simple and based on timers (there's no mana) or limited use (say, 3 per mission), but even then half the skills haven't been implemented yet. Loot is just money, which is acquired automatically during a mission and then distributed evenly once the mission is complete. The weapons and equipment follow a linear progression and are bought between missions, new characters must also be purchased, so you'll be playing your default barbarian for a couple of missions before you can afford a different class. It makes sense, since you're really in control of some sort of guild hall that is hired out to do missions for various people. There are options to and decorate various rooms in your Hall, most of which haven't been implemented, or at least don't have any purpose.
The strangest part of the game so far is that when a character dies and fails a mission, they're not brought back to life. They're kept in a sanctuary somewhere in your Hall and can be equipped to act like single use spells. Their spell effects are supposed to change as they level up. You can also pay gold to resurrect them. There's also 3 different versions of each class, each with a slightly different skill tree. You can customize a character's appearance with "real world" money.
Anyways, I think it'd be better to play it with other people, since that's how it's clearly meant to be played. If anyone's interested let me know.
Oh, I forgot the mention one of the strangest thing about the game. It's distributed like a P2P file, so while you're playing you're also downloading, and then uploading. The lag I experienced in game was very noticeable, but I was also consistently uploading at 40+kbps, and downloading at twice that. On top of that, since you download as you go some features take a long time to get. I had to wait nearly an hour just to download the part of the game that let me recruit characters, then another half hour to download all the different characters. Very strange.
I tried Requiem for 2 hours this week...
I got to lv 10...
Bascially, the game is kinda like WoW...
Quest wise, there is a new type of Quest known as Scroll Quest...
Eg. you ran out of Quest you buy a Scroll Quest from a Scroll NPC and do that Quest...
Repeatable...
Skill wise, to reallocate your skills you have to PAY US$5 for a Cash Item that lets you reallocate your skills...
And you can't use Region Chat unless you are a paying member...
There are powerleveling bots spaming in General Chat...
beta.lyrae: the site is extremely slow for me, but am I correct in that it isn't a MMO but a normal online game? Can you explain the Massive part to me if it's there?
Yeah, that's true. You have an avatar who acts as the teams "coach" that can get equips (only affect appearance), gain levels, and walk around "the island" to challenge and trade. As far as MMOSRPGs I can't think of anything that comes close other than this and PoxNora (which is itself debatable but I think it appears in the first page). It's probably not "massive" enough as it stands for the list, but if equips affected game play, or you could earn more gold to create better teams, I don't see how something like Albatross 18 could be on the list but this couldn't. I still agree though, as of now, not massive.
Edit: By the way. Thanks for your work on this thread. I used it to go through a whole mess of these games about a year ago. For what it's worth, the ones I didn't end up hating were:
Trickster - I didn't expect to like this at first, but ended up really enjoying it. If they had a Mac client I'd still play.
Maple Story - yeah, yeah, it's a grind, but at least there's more to do and plenty of items
Dofus - Now that I went cold turkey from windows (Mac/Linux only) the pickins' are slim, so I've been fooling around with this. I had tried it before and absolutely hated it. I should have given it more of a chance because so far I'm enjoying it this second time. I'm a sucker for turn based combat though.
So, three games, all 2D, and all suffer from the "cookie cutter build" problem. Also, as with most free games, the community can suck, so bring your own friends.
Ah, there's also Albatross 18 which I've probably spent more time on than all of the above combined. I went through a Poxnora phase as well.
Edit 2: I think more free MMOs should have cheap subscription options that let you play on subscriber only servers with an XP bonus. This would help with the community problems, the grind problems, and probably make them way more money. Also, I have no problems with the item shops. I even have 30k in Nexon cash that I picked up at target that I haven't used. If a game is free and I enjoy it, I don't mind dropping a few bucks a month.
I've also added the MUDs on JamesDM's advice. Pardon my French in HellMOO's entry, but really.
Wakfu
Free to Play
The follow-up of DOFUS: this turn based tactical MMO takes place a millennium after Dofus, allowing them to tell a story with little to no ties to Dofus. Game seems to be roughly the same, but with more polish and a better graphical engine.
Magic World Online
Free to Play
It's a new game, but already looks dated: Isometric camera, site looks incredibly cheesy and the art direction seems to love glow sticks and Asian mythology. The game seems to offer everything you expect out of a MMORPG, but adds player housing and marriage. All in all it doesn't stand out in any way.
Warrior Epic
Currently in closed beta - early build
Page- is checking it out and seems to have found a game that reminded him of Guild Wars: not much in the way of solo content and everything is instanced. Interesting detail is that you are leader of a mercenary guild and that you send out fighters on missions, then you take direct control of that fighter and s/he gains exp. If you level enough you can get some new characters. Downside is that most of the game will require you pull out your credit card. More of Page-'s impressions
Grand Chase
Free to Play
Some sort of MMO adaption of Super Smash Bros. You play against up to 5 opponents, you gain experience and levels which allow you to customize your character and gain extra skills/stats/whateveros. In the graphical department it has 3D characters on a 2D background, which looks good enough for the genre, I guess.
Dofus-Arena
Free to play
Whereas you only control one character in Dofus, Dofus-Arena gives you control over a group of characters, making it into some sort of FF Tactics MMO.
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Free to play Penny Arcade Thread
This is a MUD, a text based game. That means there are no pretty pictures to fawn over. The game enforces role playing, if you're not acting in character you'll get warned. If you don't need graphics and don't mind putting a lot of time into coming up with stories of your own you should really check out the PA thread.
HellMOO
Free to play Penny Arcade Thread
Promoted as a text based MMO Fallout. This MUD says it gives you absolute freedom, meaning you can rape and abuse women to your liking, fuck dead dogs oh and maybe kill some mutants while you're there anyway. This game can best be described as "way fucking old skool, dude!" Check out the PA thread if you feel like raping some dead babies.
With two spin-offs, including what appears to be a improved sequel, who's supposed to be playing the original Dofus now? Though what's the draw of Wakfu anyway? It even has the exact same silly class names with dumb shout-outs (named after Rolex, Adidas, aspirin, sado-masochism, etc). It got old pretty fast the first time.
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With two spin-offs, including what appears to be a improved sequel, who's supposed to be playing the original Dofus now? Though what's the draw of Wakfu anyway? It even has the exact same silly class names with dumb shout-outs (named after Rolex, Adidas, aspirin, sado-masochism, etc). It got old pretty fast the first time.
A couple things...Being flash based (now java) it's one of the few MMOs you can play on a Mac or Linux box. It's also one of the only MMOs with turn based combat. Wakfu is closed beta now, so people (who enjoy it) have no choice but to continue playing Dofus But in the future, yeah, I can't see much of a reason to play Dofus.
As far as class names go, who cares? One of the classes is a drunk panda bear. I'd much prefer something unique with a silly name than something I've seen 100 times before.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Dofus, Wakfu, or Dofus Arena are *good* games. I'm just not sure they're as bad as everyone thinks (as far as Free MMOs go).
As far as class names go, who cares? One of the classes is a drunk panda bear. I'd much prefer something unique with a silly name than something I've seen 100 times before.
I guess, but to me it doesn't say much for their creativity. "Oooh a time mage, let's call it Rolex spelled backwards!"
To be fair, I have the same complaint about some EverQuest lore where they did pretty much the same thing, but as word scrambles not just backwards (Tunare, Xegony, Rathe, Veeshan, E'ci, Tarew, Povar -- at least they had a theme).
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Steam, PSN, XBL, Xfire and everything else JamesDM
All asking for my phone# and shit. 9078239087234 hurf durf
Wii U NNID: MegaSpooky
I'm still waiting for a game where I can play Neutral Good or True Neutral.
Wii U NNID: MegaSpooky
reminds me of people who enjoys GRIEFing in a MMO...
Bout 6 down on the list
edit: Turns out it only wanted the last initial. I wonder how many people are stopped cold there and give up on it.
Heh, that last one: Centaur King looks kinda kinky.
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Also: I'm enjoying Holic, it's kind of a bitch to get installed, but it looks very pretty and cute and works well.
I think Lunia strikes a good balance, combat is easy to understand but hard to master, game has celshaded graphics that look okay-ish, grinding doesn't kick in until much later and is never *really* needed.
I was thinking between Lunia, Mabinogi and Windslayer, which one do you think is better?
And are there any good browser mmo's?
Best thing I'm playing in-browser is Ikariam, Estiah also appears to be appreciated.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iPgm__i_pA
Edit: VVVV. I guess that's possible.
If I'm ever going to host this on a website I'll have the space to include such details.
http://www.insidemacgames.com/search.php?Search=mmorpg&Scope=Review&Option=1&TitleOnly=&Size=30
I want to make a searchable database with an option for people to fill out some parameters and it'll come up with suggestions then. And a way for people to leave their comments and ratings on games. So yeah, kinda like mmorpg.com, but less retarded and only mentioning free stuff.
http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/36227
Also, the beta came with 10 invites, so if anyone's interested (you may want to wait for impressions :P) then just let me know.
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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It's still in beta so the interface kind of sucks and it's pretty confusing at first. The engine is better than Dofus. Same art style, better effects. Mac/Linux/PC. I've only been fooling around with it for a few hours, so don't consider this a endorsement.
http://www.dofus-arena.com/en
beta.lyrae: the site is extremely slow for me, but am I correct in that it isn't a MMO but a normal online game? Can you explain the Massive part to me if it's there?
As for the game itself . . . again, hard to tell. It's clearly meant to be played in groups, since soloing is nearly impossible without lots and lots of pregrind. The gameplay is really simple, with almost no UI or hotkeys available, and most everything being mouse controlled. You have HP represented by little hearts, like a Zelda game, and there's no way to refill it during a mission besides potions, which must be bought with "real world" money and can only be carried 3 at a time. You can also die 3 times during a mission, the first 2 bringing you back with most of your health. So if you're soloing it can just be impossible for you to kill everything, you just run out of health by the end of the level.
I'd liken it most to Guild Wars: everything is instanced and follow a linear, progressive story (there isn't even a hub city), skills are simple and based on timers (there's no mana) or limited use (say, 3 per mission), but even then half the skills haven't been implemented yet. Loot is just money, which is acquired automatically during a mission and then distributed evenly once the mission is complete. The weapons and equipment follow a linear progression and are bought between missions, new characters must also be purchased, so you'll be playing your default barbarian for a couple of missions before you can afford a different class. It makes sense, since you're really in control of some sort of guild hall that is hired out to do missions for various people. There are options to and decorate various rooms in your Hall, most of which haven't been implemented, or at least don't have any purpose.
The strangest part of the game so far is that when a character dies and fails a mission, they're not brought back to life. They're kept in a sanctuary somewhere in your Hall and can be equipped to act like single use spells. Their spell effects are supposed to change as they level up. You can also pay gold to resurrect them. There's also 3 different versions of each class, each with a slightly different skill tree. You can customize a character's appearance with "real world" money.
Anyways, I think it'd be better to play it with other people, since that's how it's clearly meant to be played. If anyone's interested let me know.
Oh, I forgot the mention one of the strangest thing about the game. It's distributed like a P2P file, so while you're playing you're also downloading, and then uploading. The lag I experienced in game was very noticeable, but I was also consistently uploading at 40+kbps, and downloading at twice that. On top of that, since you download as you go some features take a long time to get. I had to wait nearly an hour just to download the part of the game that let me recruit characters, then another half hour to download all the different characters. Very strange.
Anyone want to beta read a paranormal mystery novella? Here's your chance.
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I got to lv 10...
Bascially, the game is kinda like WoW...
Quest wise, there is a new type of Quest known as Scroll Quest...
Eg. you ran out of Quest you buy a Scroll Quest from a Scroll NPC and do that Quest...
Repeatable...
Skill wise, to reallocate your skills you have to PAY US$5 for a Cash Item that lets you reallocate your skills...
And you can't use Region Chat unless you are a paying member...
There are powerleveling bots spaming in General Chat...
Player wise, seems to have a lot of Europeans...
Yeah, that's true. You have an avatar who acts as the teams "coach" that can get equips (only affect appearance), gain levels, and walk around "the island" to challenge and trade. As far as MMOSRPGs I can't think of anything that comes close other than this and PoxNora (which is itself debatable but I think it appears in the first page). It's probably not "massive" enough as it stands for the list, but if equips affected game play, or you could earn more gold to create better teams, I don't see how something like Albatross 18 could be on the list but this couldn't. I still agree though, as of now, not massive.
Edit: By the way. Thanks for your work on this thread. I used it to go through a whole mess of these games about a year ago. For what it's worth, the ones I didn't end up hating were:
Trickster - I didn't expect to like this at first, but ended up really enjoying it. If they had a Mac client I'd still play.
Maple Story - yeah, yeah, it's a grind, but at least there's more to do and plenty of items
Dofus - Now that I went cold turkey from windows (Mac/Linux only) the pickins' are slim, so I've been fooling around with this. I had tried it before and absolutely hated it. I should have given it more of a chance because so far I'm enjoying it this second time. I'm a sucker for turn based combat though.
So, three games, all 2D, and all suffer from the "cookie cutter build" problem. Also, as with most free games, the community can suck, so bring your own friends.
Ah, there's also Albatross 18 which I've probably spent more time on than all of the above combined. I went through a Poxnora phase as well.
Edit 2: I think more free MMOs should have cheap subscription options that let you play on subscriber only servers with an XP bonus. This would help with the community problems, the grind problems, and probably make them way more money. Also, I have no problems with the item shops. I even have 30k in Nexon cash that I picked up at target that I haven't used. If a game is free and I enjoy it, I don't mind dropping a few bucks a month.
I've also added the MUDs on JamesDM's advice. Pardon my French in HellMOO's entry, but really.
Wakfu
Free to Play
The follow-up of DOFUS: this turn based tactical MMO takes place a millennium after Dofus, allowing them to tell a story with little to no ties to Dofus. Game seems to be roughly the same, but with more polish and a better graphical engine.
Magic World Online
Free to Play
It's a new game, but already looks dated: Isometric camera, site looks incredibly cheesy and the art direction seems to love glow sticks and Asian mythology. The game seems to offer everything you expect out of a MMORPG, but adds player housing and marriage. All in all it doesn't stand out in any way.
Warrior Epic
Currently in closed beta - early build
Page- is checking it out and seems to have found a game that reminded him of Guild Wars: not much in the way of solo content and everything is instanced. Interesting detail is that you are leader of a mercenary guild and that you send out fighters on missions, then you take direct control of that fighter and s/he gains exp. If you level enough you can get some new characters. Downside is that most of the game will require you pull out your credit card. More of Page-'s impressions
Grand Chase
Free to Play
Some sort of MMO adaption of Super Smash Bros. You play against up to 5 opponents, you gain experience and levels which allow you to customize your character and gain extra skills/stats/whateveros. In the graphical department it has 3D characters on a 2D background, which looks good enough for the genre, I guess.
Dofus-Arena
Free to play
Whereas you only control one character in Dofus, Dofus-Arena gives you control over a group of characters, making it into some sort of FF Tactics MMO.
Treshold
Free to play
Penny Arcade Thread
This is a MUD, a text based game. That means there are no pretty pictures to fawn over. The game enforces role playing, if you're not acting in character you'll get warned. If you don't need graphics and don't mind putting a lot of time into coming up with stories of your own you should really check out the PA thread.
HellMOO
Free to play
Penny Arcade Thread
Promoted as a text based MMO Fallout. This MUD says it gives you absolute freedom, meaning you can rape and abuse women to your liking, fuck dead dogs oh and maybe kill some mutants while you're there anyway. This game can best be described as "way fucking old skool, dude!" Check out the PA thread if you feel like raping some dead babies.
- The first MMO with a LEGAL BOTTING SYSTEM
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.
A couple things...Being flash based (now java) it's one of the few MMOs you can play on a Mac or Linux box. It's also one of the only MMOs with turn based combat. Wakfu is closed beta now, so people (who enjoy it) have no choice but to continue playing Dofus
As far as class names go, who cares? One of the classes is a drunk panda bear. I'd much prefer something unique with a silly name than something I've seen 100 times before.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying Dofus, Wakfu, or Dofus Arena are *good* games. I'm just not sure they're as bad as everyone thinks (as far as Free MMOs go).
I guess, but to me it doesn't say much for their creativity. "Oooh a time mage, let's call it Rolex spelled backwards!"
To be fair, I have the same complaint about some EverQuest lore where they did pretty much the same thing, but as word scrambles not just backwards (Tunare, Xegony, Rathe, Veeshan, E'ci, Tarew, Povar -- at least they had a theme).
> turn on light
Good start to the day. Pity it's going to be the worst one of your life. The light is now on.