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Why are first party Sony games selling so poorly?
Dublo7
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So I was browsing through VGchartz and went to look at how the first party Sony games were doing. Mainly I wanted to look at Ratchet (PS3) and also look at how Uncharted did in its first week.
Ratchet so far has only sold ~156,260 in 4 weeks. Uncharted only sold ~40,000 in its first week.
Why the hell aren't PS3 owners buying these games? From what I hear, Ratchet and Uncharted are fantastic games. They are supposedly must own titles if you have a PS3.
Are PS3 owners saving all their money for Haze or some equivalent bullshit game?
It seems like a shame to me. While I'm not a PS3 owner (I will be, in a few months), I'm still shocked and dismayed at how these games are doing so poorly.
Uncharted really does look amazing. I just can't understand why that game isn't higher up in the charts.
Ratchet so far has only sold ~156,260 in 4 weeks. Uncharted only sold ~40,000 in its first week.
Why the hell aren't PS3 owners buying these games? From what I hear, Ratchet and Uncharted are fantastic games. They are supposedly must own titles if you have a PS3.
Are PS3 owners saving all their money for Haze or some equivalent bullshit game?
It seems like a shame to me. While I'm not a PS3 owner (I will be, in a few months), I'm still shocked and dismayed at how these games are doing so poorly.
Uncharted really does look amazing. I just can't understand why that game isn't higher up in the charts.
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In its first week? Uh... Technically it came out yesterday.
Since the chart is until the 17th, this means that the game was 'in the wild' for 2 days, and not even at every store, and wasn't advertised as being out yet then, so I'd say 40,000 sold on an unadvertised early release is pretty decent.
But from my examinations its not really gamers though but mostly brand loyalists and the oh shit hot item gotta have crowd.
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Here it is.
[edit] It also helps to be very specific about what numbers you are throwing around are these North America numbers, worldwide or what?
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I sell them all the time to people who want nothing other than a BluRay player with multimedia functions. It's something that should be considered.
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We got it, non-street-dated, last week and put it out for sale on that day. I've tried like hell to sell it and Ratchet to my PS3 customers and they only want the EA titles and occasionally COD4.
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well yeah, but the weird thing is the lack of Ratchet and Uncharted being among those 3+.
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Ratchet and Clank really does look impressive. But ultimately (from the demo, again), it's the same as the other 3 Ratchet and Clank games, with hi-def.
Now, I really want Sony to succeed (just bought a PS3), but they're really going to need to innovate a bit more. Heavenly Sword was hella fun, and though similar to God of War, if it had been longer, I suspect it could've been a smash.
Let's look at recent massive hits/system sellers:
Halo 3, Assassin's Creed, Mass Effect, Bioshock, Super Mario Galaxy, Call of Duty 4, Orange Box
All of these (well, CoD and Halo not so much, but they're sequels) are bringing at least _something_ new to the table. And really, I want a next gen console to not just pretty up the graphics, but actually do something that couldn't be done on a previous gen console, gameplay-wise.
Hopefully the price drop will help. But more importantly, the PS3 really needs some exclusive good games that innovate, rather than renovate. Looking at this holiday, I fear it may be another lost holiday for them. Remember, Gears of War came out at this time in the 360's lifetime, and almost defined what a "system seller" could do (3 mil+ copies, I believe).
I only think it's a "Big game" because everyone here tells me it is.
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http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3164480
As for Uncharted, it's barely out and is a new IP. The PS3 may have "millions" of consoles sold, but if you want to compare PS3 game launch sales with 360 or Wii titles you have to remember they're 2.5-3 times the install base of PS3.
Are you sure? I don't doubt you, but Sony was claiming BluRay movies as part of their attachment rate for a while there.
The PS3 commercials are good, but I think they're largely good b/c we're comparing them to crying babies. I'm not sure I've seen a PS3 commercial yet that would make me want to run and buy the system now, if I didn't already buy it.
http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2007/03/17/ps3-attach-rates-soar/
It is a bit old and to be honest I had not heard they were counting BRD's either
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Yet a Sony published IP that's makes many refinements and is the best one in the series, is ignored and doesn't sell well.
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GTA4 is being remade into a completely different game that GTA3 was.
I would stick to using the DOA series and maybe COD4 if I were you.
Satans..... hints.....
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I work with someone who's done the exact same thing, except he bought one because his 360 was being repaired. never even opened it.
I don't mean to poke fun at the PS3 or dump on Sony; in a year or two, when the PSthree comes out, the price tag's closer to $200, and there's a substantial catalog of games worth owning, I intend on buying one. But, as much as I liked the Ratchet & Clank series on the PS2, there is utterly nothing on the PS3 right now that warrants a purchase, even at the $400 mark. I think most people feel the same way. Even if the hardware is hot shit, the thing's a glorified VCR at this point; at least to a sizable portion of the install base.
Double that and you'll be right, since it's at just over 6 games for every system. It's actually higher than the Wii's attach rate, though only just.
As for Uncharted and R&C's sales figures, R&C has never been a huge seller straight off the mark, it usually does much better when it hits platinum. And Uncharted is a new IP, which Sony will probably market/bundle throughout the next six or so months (much like they did and are still doing with Resistance). Plus, quoting weekly sales figures from vgcharts isn't exactly reliable.
Resistance has sold over 2 million units so far and Motorstorm has sold over 1 million, so clearly Sony first party games aren't doing as badly as you think.
I wish I had that kind of money.
Well, the original PS2 R&C games all made it to Greatest Hits, which means that they'd have had to sell at least 600,000 copies a piece, iirc.
edit: ok, well, zilo says I'm wrong about this, so perhaps I am. But I know I read it somewhere, but since I don't know where, I'll concede that I might be wrong on this.
So based on that fact and the first months' sales figures for each game...
... It looks like the R&C series is sort of a 'slow and steady' sales franchise.
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I want to know where you people are getting your attach rate numbers. Everything I've seen has the 360 on top by a mile, followed by the PS3, with the Wii in the cellar.
IMHO RCF is going to be one of those games that sells consistently for the next three years. None of them have been big day-1 titles but all of them did extremely well over the lifespan of the PS2.
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I'd like to see where you've been seeing you wii attach figures, since AFAIK they're always been comparable to the PS3's. While you have lots of people buying PS3s just for blueray, acording to the internets (D:) you also have lots of people buying Wiis and only having Wii sports (which is usually not counted in attach rate) and nothing else.
Again, wrong. Last month Sony and Nintendo released their hardware and software figures. PS3's attach ratio was about 6.1 games for every system and the Wii's was around 5.99 for every system (including Wii Sports and Wii Play). The 360's we don't know but I'd guess it's around the 8 or 9 mark.
Btw the PS2 had the highest ratio, at around 10.5 games per system.
It's really cool.
http://www.joystiq.com/2007/10/31/360-leads-hardware-to-software-ratio-wii-and-ps3-trail-with-sim/4
Xbox 360: hardware to software ratio: 6.59 (hardware total sold = 6.8 million; software total sold = 44.8 million)
PlayStation 3: hardware to software ratio: 3.58 (hardware total sold = 1.9 million; software total sold = 6.8 million)
Wii: hardware to software ratio: 3.44 (hardware total sold = 4.5 million; software total sold = 15.5 million)
Now I know I'm buying two games this month, but I'm guess those several other million xbox360 owners aren't and the attach rate isn't going to jump that fast.
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Those saying PS3 doesn't have any games haven't looked at its library. Hell its library frankly (depending on tastes) is comparable to the Wii at this point.
I've had mine since July and I have:
Ratchet & Clank (it DOES live up to the pixar movie hype)
Uncharted (just picked this up haven't played yet but the demo was AWESOME)
Ninja Gaiden Sigma (If you like wtfhard games buy it. If your a Ninja Gaiden fan buy it)
Heavenly Sword (Short but awesome with replay value in unlockables. Impressive cutscenes. MOCAP ftw)
Resistance (solid fps good reviews. Not sure why but it didn't do much for me)
Super Star Dust HD (probably one of the best stick shooters)
Calling all Cars (I admit it lacks in maps but its a lot of fun for a arcade game)
Super Rub A Dub (shut up... stop laughing... its a fun drunken party game
Not to mention Blu-Ray movies , and a crap load of other games I haven't been able to afford (like Warhawk). Lets not forget Killzone2 and MGS4 coming out at the start of the new year. Hell I didn't even think I'd be interested in HD movies till I watched one. Convinced me to get a HD drive for my 360 so I could get titles from both camps.
At this point its the Sony PR bullshit, multiple SKUs, and high price keeping people away not the library. Its library is about the same as the Wii's atm. Couple of AAA's, lot of solid 8's and 9's, mucho filler.
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Next year will be much more interesting.
Not to go List-wars, but I'd counter R&C and uncharted with Mario galaxiy for platformers (and maybe Super paper mario), Calling all cars (not motorstorm?) with excitetruck, resistance with MP3, MGS4 with SSBB, etc. Admitedly, sony's 3rd party lineup is probably a bit stronger, but people do buy nintendo systems for ninendo games.
EDIT: yay for poor reading skills, I just noticed your "a few AAA, some 8-9s..." statment. I guess the problem is that a lot of the PS3s 8-9s are not well known, while (again) a few of the 8s or lower (Heavenly sword and lair) have been hyped up to AA level, and were just not able to meet the inflated demands.
It took me a little while to find it again but I did. I did make a couple of mistakes though, they're actually around 5 games per unit, not 6. Here you go:
Here is the summary from the Sales thread, though you'll have to go back a couple of pages to get to the actual financial reports.
So:
Wii attach rate = 65.81:13.17 = 4.997:1
PS3 attach rate = 28.4:5.59 = 5.081:1
Edit:
spoit: I'm not in the mood for 'teh list warz' but you're conveniently ignoring multiplatform games. What about Call of Duty 4? Assassin's Creed?
Also, you really can't compare SSBM with MGS4, a MUCH better comparison would be LittleBigPlanet. Even then though, right now the PS3's 2008 lineup kicks the crap out of the Wii's one.
I concur.
As it stands right now the PS3 doesn't seem to have many that's-so-rad-I-need-a-PS3-now games. The PS3 does have the smallest market share of the three consoles this generation so a game appealing to even a large portion of the PS3 owning populace is still a smaller number than people that bought Halo 3 or GoW. Sony could sell Uncharted to half of all PS3 owners and not meet Halo 3's sales numbers.
Yes, X360 does have a larger install base, Halo 3 also spent tons of money on advertising. I recall walking through a forest and saw a poster for Halo 3.