It might not have a Super Mario Galaxy, but atleast the damn thing is not going to be flooded with a bunch of party games and ports of 2 year old games.
Yeah, with all the major titles that were pushed back, the PS3's 2008 will probably even be better than the 360's, never mind the wii's, to say that the library is better right now would be stretching it. As much as I'd like to avoid list wars as well, of the games you mentioned, how many of them are truely AAAs that will still be must haves in a couple years?
Yeah, with all the major titles that were pushed back, the PS3's 2008 will probably even be better than the 360's, never mind the wii's, to say that the library is better right now would be stretching it. As much as I'd like to avoid list wars as well, of the games you mentioned, how many of them are truely AAAs that will still be must haves in a couple years?
I don't know, R&C and Uncharted probably, maybe Warhawk too. The thing is though, I'm not buying a PS3 in a couple of years, I've got one right now and that means I'll enjoy buying/renting 8 or 9/10 games. Assassin's Creed I definitely want to rent and I might pick it up later on if I end up liking it (or just wait for the sequel, when they add mission variety into the game). CoD4 I want to rent because I've heard a lot of hype about it
If I had a Wii the only games I'd own would be Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy (Twilight Princess is, IMO, better on the GC). The PS3 just ends up catering to my tastes a lot more than the Wii, just like the Wii obviously caters to your tastes a lot more than the PS3. I'd say that the fact we're having this argument, probably means that the Wii and PS3 lineups are pretty close in terms of quality.
Yeah, with all the major titles that were pushed back, the PS3's 2008 will probably even be better than the 360's, never mind the wii's, to say that the library is better right now would be stretching it. As much as I'd like to avoid list wars as well, of the games you mentioned, how many of them are truely AAAs that will still be must haves in a couple years?
I don't know, R&C and Uncharted probably, maybe Warhawk too. The thing is though, I'm not buying a PS3 in a couple of years, I've got one right now and that means I'll enjoy buying/renting 8 or 9/10 games. Assassin's Creed I definitely want to rent and I might pick it up later on if I end up liking it (or just wait for the sequel, when they add mission variety into the game). CoD4 I want to rent because I've heard a lot of hype about it
If I had a Wii the only games I'd own would be Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy (Twilight Princess is, IMO, better on the GC). The PS3 just ends up catering to my tastes a lot more than the Wii, just like the Wii obviously caters to your tastes a lot more than the PS3. I'd say that the fact we're having this argument, probably means that the Wii and PS3 lineups are pretty close in terms of quality.
I much agree, I like using my Wavebird instead of waggle (I have no idea if you can use a GC controller with the Wii version)
Just in case my rabid Wii-fanboyism is making it hard to tell, I'm not saying that the PS3 sucks, and I'll probably pick one up in 3 or 4 years when it finally gets to a reasonable price, I'm just saying that there aren't enough game to me that justify spending the extra over a wii, and especially over a 360 (where you can get the multi-platform releases)
Also, you can't use the GCN controler for TP unfortunately
I can't speak for others but personally Uncharted is not my genre ... and I suspect the same is true for some others as well. Rachet and Clank I got for free with my PS3 and it's also a title I would never normally buy on my own.
Eye of Judgement on the other hand is going to see hundreds of my dollars. Warhawk is also fucking awesome.
The PS3 may not have it's "system" seller yet, but there are definately some really great titles in every genre ... and some like EoJ that defy genre definition.
Seriously ... EoJ was my System seller personally, with Warhawk coming in a close second.
I can tell you why I haven't. I just recently got my PS3 two weeks ago and have already purchased a bunch of Blu-Ray movies. I've purchased two random PS3 games (Madden 07 and MLB 2k7, cheapo "used") and two PSN games (flow and Blast Factor). There's the easy way out :[
I think it's a shame that R&C isn't more well-received. The graphics are awesome and what I played was extremely enjoyable.
R&C is definitely a good game - but it stalled midway for me. I just didn't have quite the drive to see what the next cool thing was that drove me through the first 60 stars (and counting) of Mario Galaxy.
Don't get me wrong - R&C is a very solid game with incredible production values - but its lacking the "wow" element that would keep me playing it - and there was nothing about the game or its premise that caught my attention enough to pick it up. I bought it because it was very well reviewed.
To actually sell a game (to the people who aren't paying enough attention to be reading reviews or impressions), there needs to be something about the very idea that differentiates it and that makes people want it - even without playing it. The concept of Mario Galaxy does that for a lot of people. R&C's concept doesn't do it for nearly as many.
I find it funny people saying that R&C Future is just a high def, refined update of the established gameplay and blow it off, but the Metroid Prime trilogy, the last few console zelda's, Dead or Alive series, GTA3's, etc etc are all huge sellers and are praised for their small improvements.
Yet a Sony published IP that's makes many refinements and is the best one in the series, is ignored and doesn't sell well.
Could it possibly be that it's the sixth game in the series in 6 years? Are people getting burned out on Ratchet?
I find it funny people saying that R&C Future is just a high def, refined update of the established gameplay and blow it off, but the Metroid Prime trilogy, the last few console zelda's, Dead or Alive series, GTA3's, etc etc are all huge sellers and are praised for their small improvements.
Yet a Sony published IP that's makes many refinements and is the best one in the series, is ignored and doesn't sell well.
Could it possibly be that it's the sixth game in the series in 6 years? Are people getting burned out on Ratchet?
Sony's problem is the same one it always was; low install base caused by a price point that is much too high. They are doing a decent job with first party titles and other exclusives, especially the advertising as of late. The big problem is that people aren't willing to buy a system for $400 US. Yes, it is better than $500 or $600, but it is nowhere near that sweet $199-$249 price of mass market saturation.
Also of note is the fact that in its first year of release the PS3 has fewer games released than either the PSX or the PS2. I don't really think next year is going to turn the tide either. FF XIII looks to be on track for 2009, MGS 4 is coming off the dissapointing sales of Snake Eater, LBP while innovative doesn't look to set any sales chart ablaze; it'll only really sell to hardcore nerds like those found on these boards. GTA IV is going to become a showpiece for the 360.
In many ways, I expect 2008 to be gloomier for the PS3.
Video game sales are up across the board in Canada - it could be due to the ridiculous quantity of quality titles or it could be that prices have dropped $10 per title across all systems (thank you weak greenback!)
I own more PS3 titles than Wii titles (Did someone say Nintendo-first-party-system?). We've just seen our first $19.99 retail PS3 titles as well (Enchanted Arms and Untold Legends). Uncharted arrived in our stores Monday, so it's a bit early to bring out the cross and nails.
Sony's problem is the same one it always was; low install base caused by a price point that is much too high. They are doing a decent job with first party titles and other exclusives, especially the advertising as of late. The big problem is that people aren't willing to buy a system for $400 US. Yes, it is better than $500 or $600, but it is nowhere near that sweet $199-$249 price of mass market saturation.
Also of note is the fact that in its first year of release the PS3 has fewer games released than either the PSX or the PS2. I don't really think next year is going to turn the tide either. FF XIII looks to be on track for 2009, MGS 4 is coming off the dissapointing sales of Snake Eater, LBP while innovative doesn't look to set any sales chart ablaze; it'll only really sell to hardcore nerds like those found on these boards. GTA IV is going to become a showpiece for the 360.
In many ways, I expect 2008 to be gloomier for the PS3.
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Also, you really can't compare SSBM with MGS4, a MUCH better comparison would be LittleBigPlanet. Even then though, right now the PS3's 2008 lineup kicks the crap out of the Wii's one.
I concur.
To be fair, the Atari Jaguar's 2008 lineup kicks the crap out of the Wii's 2008 lineup, too.
Sony's problem is the same one it always was; low install base caused by a price point that is much too high. They are doing a decent job with first party titles and other exclusives, especially the advertising as of late. The big problem is that people aren't willing to buy a system for $400 US. Yes, it is better than $500 or $600, but it is nowhere near that sweet $199-$249 price of mass market saturation.
Also of note is the fact that in its first year of release the PS3 has fewer games released than either the PSX or the PS2. I don't really think next year is going to turn the tide either. FF XIII looks to be on track for 2009, MGS 4 is coming off the dissapointing sales of Snake Eater, LBP while innovative doesn't look to set any sales chart ablaze; it'll only really sell to hardcore nerds like those found on these boards. GTA IV is going to become a showpiece for the 360.
In many ways, I expect 2008 to be gloomier for the PS3.
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Fraid so. Time to pack it up boys, it's been a good generation.
I actually agree with Xenogears, though I reckon MGS4 will do well since it's the game most PS3 users are waiting for.
Sony's problem is the same one it always was; low install base caused by a price point that is much too high. They are doing a decent job with first party titles and other exclusives, especially the advertising as of late. The big problem is that people aren't willing to buy a system for $400 US. Yes, it is better than $500 or $600, but it is nowhere near that sweet $199-$249 price of mass market saturation.
Also of note is the fact that in its first year of release the PS3 has fewer games released than either the PSX or the PS2. I don't really think next year is going to turn the tide either. FF XIII looks to be on track for 2009, MGS 4 is coming off the dissapointing sales of Snake Eater, LBP while innovative doesn't look to set any sales chart ablaze; it'll only really sell to hardcore nerds like those found on these boards. GTA IV is going to become a showpiece for the 360.
In many ways, I expect 2008 to be gloomier for the PS3.
Personally, I don't understand the appeal of the Metal Gear series at all, so I'm going to talk about Square.
The PS3's undoubtedly getting one of the titans of video game franchises in FFXIII, and exclusively (I know, I know, the rumors... we'll see). But look at what's coming out on the 360 from Square: Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey (yeah, yeah, Mistwalker... it's still Sakaguchi and Uematsu), Last Remnant, and some next-gen MMO based on the Unreal 3 engine that's not FFXI.
The 360 looks poised to eat the PS3's JRPG lunch, right now.
Sony's problem is the same one it always was; low install base caused by a price point that is much too high. They are doing a decent job with first party titles and other exclusives, especially the advertising as of late. The big problem is that people aren't willing to buy a system for $400 US. Yes, it is better than $500 or $600, but it is nowhere near that sweet $199-$249 price of mass market saturation.
Also of note is the fact that in its first year of release the PS3 has fewer games released than either the PSX or the PS2. I don't really think next year is going to turn the tide either. FF XIII looks to be on track for 2009, MGS 4 is coming off the dissapointing sales of Snake Eater, LBP while innovative doesn't look to set any sales chart ablaze; it'll only really sell to hardcore nerds like those found on these boards. GTA IV is going to become a showpiece for the 360.
In many ways, I expect 2008 to be gloomier for the PS3.
Personally, I don't understand the appeal of the Metal Gear series at all, so I'm going to talk about Square.
The PS3's undoubtedly getting one of the titans of video game franchises in FFXIII, and exclusively (I know, I know, the rumors... we'll see). But look at what's coming out on the 360 from Square: Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey (yeah, yeah, Mistwalker... it's still Sakaguchi and Uematsu), Last Remnant, and some next-gen MMO based on the Unreal 3 engine that's not FFXI.
The 360 looks poised to eat the PS3's JRPG lunch, right now.
Infinite undiscovery is only published by Square, it's actually developed by Tri-Ace. You'll remember that Microsoft was the publisher not too long ago, not really sure what happened there.
As for the 360 eating the PS3's JRPG lunch? I sincerely doubt it. The 360 really doesn't have much of a JRPG lineup after two years; there's eternal sonata and blue dragon. (Enchanted Arms too, I personally loved it but people will hate and such)
In my opinion, the reason for this is because the 360 is doing so poorly in Japan. JRPG developers don't want to put their games on a system that is failing in the market where JRPGs are most popular.
This could change in the coming year, however, if the 360 american fanbase show that they're willing to buy JRPGs in large numbers. Blue dragon and eternal sonata didn't exactly set the charts on fire though.
I'd argue that thats more of a facts and figures thread though.
I think the OP was really just wondering why games like Ratchet and Clank and Heavenly Sword are selling so poorly given the quality of the games. There's really no excuse for PS3 owners not to be buying that game, it's brilliant.
The only games that seem to do particularly well are PS3 Pack-In games which is a disturbing trend.
Sony's problem is the same one it always was; low install base caused by a price point that is much too high. They are doing a decent job with first party titles and other exclusives, especially the advertising as of late. The big problem is that people aren't willing to buy a system for $400 US. Yes, it is better than $500 or $600, but it is nowhere near that sweet $199-$249 price of mass market saturation.
Also of note is the fact that in its first year of release the PS3 has fewer games released than either the PSX or the PS2. I don't really think next year is going to turn the tide either. FF XIII looks to be on track for 2009, MGS 4 is coming off the dissapointing sales of Snake Eater, LBP while innovative doesn't look to set any sales chart ablaze; it'll only really sell to hardcore nerds like those found on these boards. GTA IV is going to become a showpiece for the 360.
In many ways, I expect 2008 to be gloomier for the PS3.
Personally, I don't understand the appeal of the Metal Gear series at all, so I'm going to talk about Square.
The PS3's undoubtedly getting one of the titans of video game franchises in FFXIII, and exclusively (I know, I know, the rumors... we'll see). But look at what's coming out on the 360 from Square: Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey (yeah, yeah, Mistwalker... it's still Sakaguchi and Uematsu), Last Remnant, and some next-gen MMO based on the Unreal 3 engine that's not FFXI.
The 360 looks poised to eat the PS3's JRPG lunch, right now.
Out of the 4 games you just mentioned, 2 of them are 360 exclusive... Last Remnant and the MMORPG are both confirmed to be coming out for the PS3.
360 is poised to eat the PS3's JRPG lunch? Not so much, especially considering the PS3 has White Knight Story, FFXIII, FFvXIII, Star Ocean 4, Disgaea 3 and a new Atlus game (which is either a new SMT or a new Persona) coming.
Sony's problem is the same one it always was; low install base caused by a price point that is much too high. They are doing a decent job with first party titles and other exclusives, especially the advertising as of late. The big problem is that people aren't willing to buy a system for $400 US. Yes, it is better than $500 or $600, but it is nowhere near that sweet $199-$249 price of mass market saturation.
Also of note is the fact that in its first year of release the PS3 has fewer games released than either the PSX or the PS2. I don't really think next year is going to turn the tide either. FF XIII looks to be on track for 2009, MGS 4 is coming off the dissapointing sales of Snake Eater, LBP while innovative doesn't look to set any sales chart ablaze; it'll only really sell to hardcore nerds like those found on these boards. GTA IV is going to become a showpiece for the 360.
In many ways, I expect 2008 to be gloomier for the PS3.
Personally, I don't understand the appeal of the Metal Gear series at all, so I'm going to talk about Square.
The PS3's undoubtedly getting one of the titans of video game franchises in FFXIII, and exclusively (I know, I know, the rumors... we'll see). But look at what's coming out on the 360 from Square: Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey (yeah, yeah, Mistwalker... it's still Sakaguchi and Uematsu), Last Remnant, and some next-gen MMO based on the Unreal 3 engine that's not FFXI.
The 360 looks poised to eat the PS3's JRPG lunch, right now.
Out of the 4 games you just mentioned, 2 of them are 360 exclusive... Last Remnant and the MMORPG are both confirmed to be coming out for the PS3.
360 is poised to eat the PS3's JRPG lunch? Not so much, especially considering the PS3 has White Knight Story, FFXIII, FFvXIII, Star Ocean 4, Disgaea 3 and a new Atlus game (which is either a new SMT or a new Persona) coming.
Atlus also announced they're jumping on the 360 bandwagon. I'm not saying anyone is eating anyone's lunch, I'm just noting that bit.
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I don't know, R&C and Uncharted probably, maybe Warhawk too. The thing is though, I'm not buying a PS3 in a couple of years, I've got one right now and that means I'll enjoy buying/renting 8 or 9/10 games. Assassin's Creed I definitely want to rent and I might pick it up later on if I end up liking it (or just wait for the sequel, when they add mission variety into the game). CoD4 I want to rent because I've heard a lot of hype about it
If I had a Wii the only games I'd own would be Metroid Prime 3 and Mario Galaxy (Twilight Princess is, IMO, better on the GC). The PS3 just ends up catering to my tastes a lot more than the Wii, just like the Wii obviously caters to your tastes a lot more than the PS3. I'd say that the fact we're having this argument, probably means that the Wii and PS3 lineups are pretty close in terms of quality.
I much agree, I like using my Wavebird instead of waggle (I have no idea if you can use a GC controller with the Wii version)
Also, you can't use the GCN controler for TP unfortunately
Eye of Judgement on the other hand is going to see hundreds of my dollars. Warhawk is also fucking awesome.
The PS3 may not have it's "system" seller yet, but there are definately some really great titles in every genre ... and some like EoJ that defy genre definition.
Seriously ... EoJ was my System seller personally, with Warhawk coming in a close second.
R&C is definitely a good game - but it stalled midway for me. I just didn't have quite the drive to see what the next cool thing was that drove me through the first 60 stars (and counting) of Mario Galaxy.
Don't get me wrong - R&C is a very solid game with incredible production values - but its lacking the "wow" element that would keep me playing it - and there was nothing about the game or its premise that caught my attention enough to pick it up. I bought it because it was very well reviewed.
To actually sell a game (to the people who aren't paying enough attention to be reading reviews or impressions), there needs to be something about the very idea that differentiates it and that makes people want it - even without playing it. The concept of Mario Galaxy does that for a lot of people. R&C's concept doesn't do it for nearly as many.
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Could it possibly be that it's the sixth game in the series in 6 years? Are people getting burned out on Ratchet?
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Also of note is the fact that in its first year of release the PS3 has fewer games released than either the PSX or the PS2. I don't really think next year is going to turn the tide either. FF XIII looks to be on track for 2009, MGS 4 is coming off the dissapointing sales of Snake Eater, LBP while innovative doesn't look to set any sales chart ablaze; it'll only really sell to hardcore nerds like those found on these boards. GTA IV is going to become a showpiece for the 360.
In many ways, I expect 2008 to be gloomier for the PS3.
I own more PS3 titles than Wii titles (Did someone say Nintendo-first-party-system?). We've just seen our first $19.99 retail PS3 titles as well (Enchanted Arms and Untold Legends). Uncharted arrived in our stores Monday, so it's a bit early to bring out the cross and nails.
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The PS3's undoubtedly getting one of the titans of video game franchises in FFXIII, and exclusively (I know, I know, the rumors... we'll see). But look at what's coming out on the 360 from Square: Infinite Undiscovery, Lost Odyssey (yeah, yeah, Mistwalker... it's still Sakaguchi and Uematsu), Last Remnant, and some next-gen MMO based on the Unreal 3 engine that's not FFXI.
The 360 looks poised to eat the PS3's JRPG lunch, right now.
As for the 360 eating the PS3's JRPG lunch? I sincerely doubt it. The 360 really doesn't have much of a JRPG lineup after two years; there's eternal sonata and blue dragon. (Enchanted Arms too, I personally loved it but people will hate and such)
In my opinion, the reason for this is because the 360 is doing so poorly in Japan. JRPG developers don't want to put their games on a system that is failing in the market where JRPGs are most popular.
This could change in the coming year, however, if the 360 american fanbase show that they're willing to buy JRPGs in large numbers. Blue dragon and eternal sonata didn't exactly set the charts on fire though.
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Oh wait, here it is.
I think the OP was really just wondering why games like Ratchet and Clank and Heavenly Sword are selling so poorly given the quality of the games. There's really no excuse for PS3 owners not to be buying that game, it's brilliant.
The only games that seem to do particularly well are PS3 Pack-In games which is a disturbing trend.
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And that thread only labels things shitty when, well, they actually sell shittily.
360 is poised to eat the PS3's JRPG lunch? Not so much, especially considering the PS3 has White Knight Story, FFXIII, FFvXIII, Star Ocean 4, Disgaea 3 and a new Atlus game (which is either a new SMT or a new Persona) coming.
Atlus also announced they're jumping on the 360 bandwagon. I'm not saying anyone is eating anyone's lunch, I'm just noting that bit.
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