Ah. I don't buy it. I personally think that you don't even own a Wii, and are just here to express hatred to get some attention from everyone. Kudos, because it worked.
Nope, I've got one. I even made a transvestite Mii.
Go ahead, ask me something that only a Wii owner would know. Not anything too recent though, I haven't messed with the thing in a few months.
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Awww... My evil anime mask guy picture doesn't work. ;_;
And I don't know why I don't like point/shoot type games. I never have. I didn't like the Super Scope or Guncon type things or those Area 51 games you could play in the arcade. I had a BB gun for a while, and I hated it. I just don't like them.
What kind of a kid would hate having a BB gun...
...I guess the same kind of person who would hate a Wii. :P
Lord Ship: Have you played RE4 Wii Edition? I challenge you to play that and tell me that the controls aren't amazingly good. That's a point-n-shoot game. I...just can't empathize with you at all here.
If a friend of mine has it for me to borrow it, I'll try it out. If I buy it, though, I'm getting the PS2 one.
Other than for possibly the cost ($19.99 for the PS2 version, $29.99 for the Wii version), I don't get this response. You've stated that you haven't even tried the game yet. I'm telling you it's amazing. And yet even though you express that you WILL try it, you are already resigned to buy the PS2 version regardless of how you feel about the Wii version.
It just seems to me that you have either an unshakable bias against motion control or you have unreasonable expectations about the Wii that people aren't fulfilling. Maybe both, but I think it's more of a bias than anything else.
Lord Ship: Have you played RE4 Wii Edition? I challenge you to play that and tell me that the controls aren't amazingly good. That's a point-n-shoot game. I...just can't empathize with you at all here.
If a friend of mine has it for me to borrow it, I'll try it out. If I buy it, though, I'm getting the PS2 one.
Other than for possibly the cost ($19.99 for the PS2 version, $29.99 for the Wii version), I don't get this response. You've stated that you haven't even tried the game yet. I'm telling you it's amazing. And yet even though you express that you WILL try it, you are already resigned to buy the PS2 version regardless of how you feel about the Wii version.
It just seems to me that you have either an unshakable bias against motion control or you have unreasonable expectations about the Wii that people aren't fulfilling. Maybe both, but I think it's more of a bias than anything else.
It's really just that if I'm buying it I would prefer to take the one that's a safer bet for me to like it. I haven't liked motion controls before, so I have no reason to suspect that this would be any better besides someone I've never met on the interwebnets telling me so (No offense). And I rarely get any money, so if I buy a game, I'm damn well going to make as sure as I can that I'm going to like it.
EDIT: Also, I suppose I do have a bit of a bias. But it's a bias built from experience. Give me a reason to remove that bias and it will disappear. However, until such a time as I've played a game that I really like the motion controls on, I'm buying any cross-platform games for my PS3 or PS2.
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Go ahead, ask me something that only a Wii owner would know. Not anything too recent though, I haven't messed with the thing in a few months.
That's... that's a very odd thing for a Wii owner to say.
Incidentally, I love the Wii. I only own 3 games for the 360, and 2 for the PS3, but I have a bucketload of Wii games and besides a couple of bad choices here and there (my Dad really, really wanted to try out Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix) I'm happy with it. It gets more playtime than any of the other consoles, although at the moment playtime is split mostly between Super Mario Galaxy on the Wii and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune on the PS3.
Edit: Also, the motion control on RE4-Wii is superbly executed. At the very least give it a rental or something rather than just dismissing it entirely based on "I might not like it."
To me, not liking motion controls is like not liking button pressing. I can understand saying "it didn't work well here", but to say "no sir I don't like this form of input at all" seems... off.
Fine, you don't like motion controls. Okay. I don't fucking understand your reasoning, but sure. Why not.
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Lord Ship: Have you played RE4 Wii Edition? I challenge you to play that and tell me that the controls aren't amazingly good. That's a point-n-shoot game. I...just can't empathize with you at all here.
If a friend of mine has it for me to borrow it, I'll try it out. If I buy it, though, I'm getting the PS2 one.
Other than for possibly the cost ($19.99 for the PS2 version, $29.99 for the Wii version), I don't get this response. You've stated that you haven't even tried the game yet. I'm telling you it's amazing. And yet even though you express that you WILL try it, you are already resigned to buy the PS2 version regardless of how you feel about the Wii version.
It just seems to me that you have either an unshakable bias against motion control or you have unreasonable expectations about the Wii that people aren't fulfilling. Maybe both, but I think it's more of a bias than anything else.
It's really just that if I'm buying it I would prefer to take the one that's a safer bet for me to like it. I haven't liked motion controls before, so I have no reason to suspect that this would be any better than someone I've never met on the interwebnets telling me so (No offense). And I rarely get any money, so if I buy a game, I'm damn well going to make as sure as I can that I'm going to like it.
But the chronology of our little conversation here is what bothers me:
Me: "Have you tried RE4 Wii Edition?"
You: "No. I'll try it."
Me: "Cool."
You: "But if I buy it, I'm going to buy the PS2 version."
At that point, it's not me telling you buy the game based on my personal opinion, you are in fact saying that you're going to try the game for yourself but regardless you're going to buy the PS2 version. This suggests that you have such an unshakable bias against motion control that you cannot possibly fathom any game penetrating that bias, even after you've tried it yourself.
Lord Ship: Have you played RE4 Wii Edition? I challenge you to play that and tell me that the controls aren't amazingly good. That's a point-n-shoot game. I...just can't empathize with you at all here.
If a friend of mine has it for me to borrow it, I'll try it out. If I buy it, though, I'm getting the PS2 one.
Other than for possibly the cost ($19.99 for the PS2 version, $29.99 for the Wii version), I don't get this response. You've stated that you haven't even tried the game yet. I'm telling you it's amazing. And yet even though you express that you WILL try it, you are already resigned to buy the PS2 version regardless of how you feel about the Wii version.
It just seems to me that you have either an unshakable bias against motion control or you have unreasonable expectations about the Wii that people aren't fulfilling. Maybe both, but I think it's more of a bias than anything else.
It's really just that if I'm buying it I would prefer to take the one that's a safer bet for me to like it. I haven't liked motion controls before, so I have no reason to suspect that this would be any better than someone I've never met on the interwebnets telling me so (No offense). And I rarely get any money, so if I buy a game, I'm damn well going to make as sure as I can that I'm going to like it.
But the chronology of our little conversation here is what bothers me:
Me: "Have you tried RE4 Wii Edition?"
You: "No. I'll try it."
Me: "Cool."
You: "But if I buy it, I'm going to buy the PS2 version."
At that point, it's not me telling you buy the game based on my personal opinion, you are in fact saying that you're going to try the game for yourself but regardless you're going to buy the PS2 version. This suggests that you have such an unshakable bias against motion control that you cannot possibly fathom any game penetrating that bias, even after you've tried it yourself.
And therein lies the problem with your outlook.
Actually, what I said was more like "I'll try it if I don't have to pay for it".
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Lord Ship: Have you played RE4 Wii Edition? I challenge you to play that and tell me that the controls aren't amazingly good. That's a point-n-shoot game. I...just can't empathize with you at all here.
If a friend of mine has it for me to borrow it, I'll try it out. If I buy it, though, I'm getting the PS2 one.
Other than for possibly the cost ($19.99 for the PS2 version, $29.99 for the Wii version), I don't get this response. You've stated that you haven't even tried the game yet. I'm telling you it's amazing. And yet even though you express that you WILL try it, you are already resigned to buy the PS2 version regardless of how you feel about the Wii version.
It just seems to me that you have either an unshakable bias against motion control or you have unreasonable expectations about the Wii that people aren't fulfilling. Maybe both, but I think it's more of a bias than anything else.
It's really just that if I'm buying it I would prefer to take the one that's a safer bet for me to like it. I haven't liked motion controls before, so I have no reason to suspect that this would be any better than someone I've never met on the interwebnets telling me so (No offense). And I rarely get any money, so if I buy a game, I'm damn well going to make as sure as I can that I'm going to like it.
But the chronology of our little conversation here is what bothers me:
Me: "Have you tried RE4 Wii Edition?"
You: "No. I'll try it."
Me: "Cool."
You: "But if I buy it, I'm going to buy the PS2 version."
At that point, it's not me telling you buy the game based on my personal opinion, you are in fact saying that you're going to try the game for yourself but regardless you're going to buy the PS2 version. This suggests that you have such an unshakable bias against motion control that you cannot possibly fathom any game penetrating that bias, even after you've tried it yourself.
And therein lies the problem with your outlook.
Actually, what I said was more like "I'll try it if I don't have to pay for it".
Uh. I'll amend this, though I thought I had paraphrased the essential bits:
Me: "Have you tried RE4 Wii Edition?"
You: "No. I'll try it because my friend owns it and can lend it to me for free."
Me: "Cool."
You: "But if I buy it, I'm going to buy the PS2 version."
I wish developers would use the Wiimote functions in this order: IR sensor, Tilt, Gestures, Waggle. It's sad they're being done in almost the opposite order.
Now this I can get behind. Mapping what would just be a simple button press to a completely unintuitive, disruptive controller wiggle = I want to kill you. I contemplated just returning RE4 before I figured out that reloading was also mapped to a real button.
Thankfully, in the (admittedly few) Wii games I've played it hasn't come up too much. Hearing that sword slashes were mapped to waggle was one thing that turned me off to the Wii Twilight Princess though. The Wii remote is capable of so much more than that.
Uh. I'll amend this, though I thought I had paraphrased the essential bits:
Me: "Have you tried RE4 Wii Edition?"
You: "No. I'll try it because my friend owns it and can lend it to me for free."
Me: "Cool."
You: "But if I buy it, I'm going to buy the PS2 version."
Same points apply.
Ok, here's the thing. I only have so much money. If I buy a game, I'm buying the safest bet for the one that I'll like. I've borrowed RE4 for the PS2 from a friend of mine a while back, and it was fun. I just never finished it because I didn't want to hog the guys game, because it was basically his favorite game ever. I know that I'd like the PS2 version. So if I were to buy it, I would buy the one that I know I would like.
Also, even IF the motion controls somehow manage to be good, chances are still pretty high that I would like the PS2 version more, since I like the PS2 controller so much. Also, I don't like the whole "Two-piece controller" thing on the Wiimote.
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Christ, so one guy isn't in love with the Wii? Give him a fucking break and stop harping on.
For what it's worth, I don't particularly love motion controls either, and I've played all the games you just recommended. It just isn't for me, and I'm far happier with a 360 pad or a Type-S in my hands. But I don't bust into every thread the second someone says they prefer the Wii controller.
It's arguments like this that make me hate these forums*
*And people using the word "rig" to describe their PC.
Uh. I'll amend this, though I thought I had paraphrased the essential bits:
Me: "Have you tried RE4 Wii Edition?"
You: "No. I'll try it because my friend owns it and can lend it to me for free."
Me: "Cool."
You: "But if I buy it, I'm going to buy the PS2 version."
Same points apply.
Ok, here's the thing. I only have so much money. If I buy a game, I'm buying the safest bet for the one that I'll like. I've borrowed RE4 for the PS2 from a friend of mine a while back, and it was fun. I just never finished it because I didn't want to hog the guys game, because it was basically his favorite game ever. I know that I'd like the PS2 version. So if I were to buy it, I would buy the one that I know I would like.
Also, even IF the motion controls somehow manage to be good, chances are still pretty high that I would like the PS2 version more, since I like the PS2 controller so much. Also, I don't like the whole "Two-piece controller" thing on the Wiimote.
If you've played that much of Resident Evil 4 already, you should know after about 5 or 10 minutes with the Wii version whether you'd love it more or less on the Wii.
Christ, so one guy isn't in love with the Wii? Give him a fucking break and stop harping on.
For what it's worth, I don't particularly love motion controls either, and I've played all the games you just recommended. It just isn't for me, and I'm far happier with a 360 pad or a Type-S in my hands. But I don't bust into every thread the second someone says they prefer the Wii controller.
It's arguments like this that make me hate these forums*
*And people using the word "rig" to describe their PC.
He's not simply not in love with the Wii, he "hates motion controls" and I know that I'm - at the very least - not harping on him. I'm investigating the situation out of curiosity.
there's been more dissent surrounding the wii's reception than any other console i've ever seen (only been playin since the nes era). It's pretty surprising, considering the amount of success it has had. I can understand how someone would dislike motion controls. They are often tacked on for the sake of shakin dem arms. However, I enjoy them in most of my games because it adds a level of tactile experience on top of solid gameplay. It's not really "new" gameplay but more of a new way to play old gameplay and that's fine with me. I rarely end up becoming annoyed by them and am usually indifferent to their inclusion rather than bothered. More often then not, like I said, I enjoy them quite a bit.
Ammm....you sure about that? You dont even need to look past this generation to see that your statement is wildly inaccurate. Its just that everytime someone makes a criticism of the console, exaggerated or not, they are faced with Nintendo fanboys overreacting. For me, my indifference to the console itself is only tempered with the constant leeway given to what is a good but not great piece of hardware.
what I mean is outside of fanboy arguments. Last gen was pretty heated, and this one is too, but what I mean is that more people have conflicting opinions regarding the wii than with any other console before it, excluding fanboys. Lord Ship's opinion, while evidently one that'll be layed under the eye of scrutiny in an environment like PA, is completely legitimate. He doesn't seem like a fanboy. He doesn't seem to be really biased at all. He's given the wii a fair shake and he doesn't like it. He just doesn't like the basic idea of the console itself. Never before have we seen non-fanboys approach a console and evaluate it altogether as something they don't like. It's the first console I've seen that you can approach with little to no bias or brand loyalty and find yourself unliking the majority of games offered and still retain legitimacy in your claim. If someone came in here and said "I didn't like the oxbox. At all. I didn't particularly enjoy any game on the system," the only way they'd be justified in any way is if they hated console gaming altogether. And even then, it'd be pretty fishy and the person in question would get a lot of jeering from tha PA crowd. But you can definitely say that about the wii and still be regarded as a sane person, provided that you're not a fanboy.
Christ, so one guy isn't in love with the Wii? Give him a fucking break and stop harping on.
I don't mind at all, so long as the conversation doesn't degrade into "STFU FAG", followed by people bashing the PS3 because they're too stupid to come up with a defense for the Wii besides making fun of my system of choice.
If you've played that much of Resident Evil 4 already, you should know after about 5 or 10 minutes with the Wii version whether you'd love it more or less on the Wii.
And if I could play it for free, like I did with the PS2 version, I'd go ahead and find out.
In fact, I do have on friend who might have it. I'll check with him when school starts back in after Thanksgiving break. If he does, I'll borrow the game and try it.
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Christ, so one guy isn't in love with the Wii? Give him a fucking break and stop harping on.
I don't mind at all, so long as the conversation doesn't degrade into "STFU FAG", followed by people bashing the PS3 because they're too stupid to come up with a defense for the Wii besides making fun of my system of choice.
If you've played that much of Resident Evil 4 already, you should know after about 5 or 10 minutes with the Wii version whether you'd love it more or less on the Wii.
And if I could play it for free, like I did with the PS2 version, I'd go ahead and find out.
In fact, I do have on friend who might have it. I'll check with him when school starts back in after Thanksgiving break. If he does, I'll borrow the game and try it.
Er maybe I misread your other post but I thought you already said you did have a friend that could lend it to you: if I was wrong, I apologize; that should explain my recent comments, though.
So he hate motion controls?! WHO GIVES A FLYING TOSS??
It's not as if he's planning to round up all the motion controls into concentration camps and gas them for fucks sake.
edit: ^5 to Guek
It's called a conversation, fuckstick. That's what forums are for. I'm not harping on him, I'm trying to find out why. So I guess the answer to "who gives a flying toss??" is "me." I give enough of a flying toss to inquire as to why.
Do you have a problem with this Ben? Because if so, I happily extend to you an invitation to shut the hell up and keep it to yourself. I certainly don't give a "flying toss" as to what you think about what I want to converse about on this forum.
And as for arguments that I hate on this forum? I hate when people tell other people what they should or shouldn't converse about.
So he hate motion controls?! WHO GIVES A FLYING TOSS??
It's not as if he's planning to round up all the motion controls into concentration camps and gas them for fucks sake.
edit: ^5 to Guek
It's called a conversation, fuckstick. That's what forums are for. I'm not harping on him, I'm trying to find out why. So I guess the answer to "who gives a flying toss??" is "me." I give enough of a flying toss to inquire as to why.
Do you have a problem with this Ben? Because if so, I happily extend to you an invitation to shut the hell up and keep it to yourself. I certainly don't give a "flying toss" as to what you think about what I want to converse about on this forum.
And as for arguments that I hate on this forum? I hate when people tell other people what they should or shouldn't converse about.
So he hate motion controls?! WHO GIVES A FLYING TOSS??
It's not as if he's planning to round up all the motion controls into concentration camps and gas them for fucks sake.
edit: ^5 to Guek
It's called a conversation, fuckstick. That's what forums are for. I'm not harping on him, I'm trying to find out why. So I guess the answer to "who gives a flying toss??" is "me." I give enough of a flying toss to inquire as to why.
Do you have a problem with this Ben? Because if so, I happily extend to you an invitation to shut the hell up and keep it to yourself. I certainly don't give a "flying toss" as to what you think about what I want to converse about on this forum.
And as for arguments that I hate on this forum? I hate when people tell other people what they should or shouldn't converse about.
Fuck off.
Little touchy, aren't we?
Yes, you touched upon my #1 forum pet peeve: "why are you even talking about this?!?!" I hate it. It's obvious I'm talking about this because I want to, so questioning my decision to converse about something, on an internet forum whose sole purpose of existence is conversation, is just damned annoying.
I mean no personal offense, but I loathe this kind of crap and I'll thank you and everyone else not to ask me or anyone else why I (or he or she) are conversing about any given subject. The answer is now and ever shall be: because I damn well want to. And that's all the reason I or you or anyone else should need.
Trying to limit other peoples' scope of conversation is just lame.
slashes were mapped to waggle was one thing that turned me off to the Wii Twilight Princess though. The Wii remote is capable of so much more than that.
I agree. I think the Wiimote has two big strengths.
It can make games more accessible and in some cases, more fun. Wii Bowling is a good example of this. There is nothing in Wii Bowling that a standard controller couldn't do, but I would never touch a bowling game with a standard controller, but I love Wii Bowling.
The other strength is it can do things that would be a nightmare on other controllers. We haven't really seen this yet sadly. For example, a FPS on the Wii could allow you to aim your gun and a grenade throw at the same time while moving. You would aim/shoot with IR, move with control stick, and aim the a grenade throw/roll with the nunchuck tilt. This would be a nightmare on 360 controller. The sixasix could pull it off though. That's just an example, there are others.
Christ, so one guy isn't in love with the Wii? Give him a fucking break and stop harping on.
I don't mind at all, so long as the conversation doesn't degrade into "STFU FAG", followed by people bashing the PS3 because they're too stupid to come up with a defense for the Wii besides making fun of my system of choice.
If you've played that much of Resident Evil 4 already, you should know after about 5 or 10 minutes with the Wii version whether you'd love it more or less on the Wii.
And if I could play it for free, like I did with the PS2 version, I'd go ahead and find out.
In fact, I do have on friend who might have it. I'll check with him when school starts back in after Thanksgiving break. If he does, I'll borrow the game and try it.
It still should be a no-brainer. The Wii version has improved visuals over the PS2 version (the better GameCube graphics, as well as progressive scan), and lets you plug in a GameCube controller, meaning you can even completely ignore the motion controls if you so desire.
Christ, so one guy isn't in love with the Wii? Give him a fucking break and stop harping on.
I don't mind at all, so long as the conversation doesn't degrade into "STFU FAG", followed by people bashing the PS3 because they're too stupid to come up with a defense for the Wii besides making fun of my system of choice.
If you've played that much of Resident Evil 4 already, you should know after about 5 or 10 minutes with the Wii version whether you'd love it more or less on the Wii.
And if I could play it for free, like I did with the PS2 version, I'd go ahead and find out.
In fact, I do have on friend who might have it. I'll check with him when school starts back in after Thanksgiving break. If he does, I'll borrow the game and try it.
It still should be a no-brainer. The Wii version has improved visuals over the PS2 version (the better GameCube graphics, as well as progressive scan), and lets you plug in a GameCube controller, meaning you can even completely ignore the motion controls if you so desire.
Uhm, you can play RE4 Wii with the GC controller? I had no idea.
ew. yeah, that'd be possible on the sixaxis, but having one controller component instead of two independent bodies would hurt your aim quite a bit. in any case, that sounds like a badass idea. Get on it, Mirth!
Uhm, you can play RE4 Wii with the GC controller? I had no idea.
Yeah. There's no option in a menu or anything.
It's just a deal where you plug in the controller and all the controls and QTE events become GCN controls. Something like that. I haven't tried it yet; I find the Wii controls vastly superior anyway so I don't bother.
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edited November 2007
As for your second question, is your Wii in any way currently able to get online?
It can but it is extremely unreliable. I did manage to download Paper Mario by going on late at night. All I have right now is the console as it came out of the box.
Also my Wii and CPU arent on the same floor. The Wii is in the basement while the computer is upstairs.
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As for your second question, is your Wii in any way currently able to get online?
It can but it is extremely unreliable. I did manage to download Paper Mario by going on late at night. All I have right now is the console as it came out of the box.
Also my Wii and CPU arent on the same floor. The Wii is in the basement while the computer is upstairs.
Well, first, switch your router to channel 1 or 11(I'm assuming you're using a router). This will make your connection MUCH more reliable, and have no effects on other stuff.
yeah, my wii connects to the internet fine. I mean, i was just using it last night to look at por-i mean, youtube videos. poor youtube videoes. Man, were they shitty.
Christ, so one guy isn't in love with the Wii? Give him a fucking break and stop harping on.
I don't mind at all, so long as the conversation doesn't degrade into "STFU FAG", followed by people bashing the PS3 because they're too stupid to come up with a defense for the Wii besides making fun of my system of choice.
If you've played that much of Resident Evil 4 already, you should know after about 5 or 10 minutes with the Wii version whether you'd love it more or less on the Wii.
And if I could play it for free, like I did with the PS2 version, I'd go ahead and find out.
In fact, I do have on friend who might have it. I'll check with him when school starts back in after Thanksgiving break. If he does, I'll borrow the game and try it.
It still should be a no-brainer. The Wii version has improved visuals over the PS2 version (the better GameCube graphics, as well as progressive scan), and lets you plug in a GameCube controller, meaning you can even completely ignore the motion controls if you so desire.
It does? Well then, Wii version sounds just fine to me.
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Awww... My evil anime mask guy picture doesn't work. ;_;
In any case, recent games are breathing life back into my system. These recent games are also those that just wouldn't work on the PC. GH3 on the PC? Who the hell would buy that.
Yes, exactly. The PC provides me with anything the 360 or PS3 might, even if I have to wait for a hypothetical PC version of Mass Effect.
The Wii, however, has stuff I'd only enjoy on a console and that can't be duplicated with the 360.
The Wii, however, has stuff I'd only enjoy on a console and that can't be duplicated with the 360.
Like Rock Band!
/rimshot
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Meh, just start selling Bluetooth Wiimotes and the PS3 could play Wii games. The Wii couldn't do the same for PS3 or 360 games.
Or just sell CPU, GPU, and RAM upgrades for the Wii and it could play PS3 and 360 games. Neither scenario is likely.
Upgrades and accessories don't sell consoles, and they don't sell games. Doesn't matter what they are. Or is Eye of Judgment the #1 PS3 game right now? And in any case, the PS3 has waggle and hardly any games implement it.
Well, it's not as if the game is too advanced for the Wii. Harmonix just didn't seem to want to develop it. Makes me wonder if there will be a port later.
But you do have a point...as long as companies bypass the Wii for their major titles when they very well could be done on the system, it's going to be consistent argument why it's not doing as well as it could.
In any case, recent games are breathing life back into my system. These recent games are also those that just wouldn't work on the PC. GH3 on the PC? Who the hell would buy that.
Yes, exactly. The PC provides me with anything the 360 or PS3 might, even if I have to wait for a hypothetical PC version of Mass Effect.
The Wii, however, has stuff I'd only enjoy on a console and that can't be duplicated with the 360.
Like Rock Band!
/rimshot
People are getting pretty close to getting that to work on PC.
So, no.
I don't see how people might be able to play Rock Band on the PC in the future has anything to do with me rimshotting the wii.
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"Everyone who is capable of logical thought should be able to see why you shouldn't sell lifetime subscriptions to an MMO. Cell phone companies and drug dealers don't offer lifetime subscriptions either, guess why?" - Mugaaz
Meh, just start selling Bluetooth Wiimotes and the PS3 could play Wii games. The Wii couldn't do the same for PS3 or 360 games.
Or just sell CPU, GPU, and RAM upgrades for the Wii and it could play PS3 and 360 games. Neither scenario is likely.
Upgrades and accessories don't sell consoles, and they don't sell games. Doesn't matter what they are. Or is Eye of Judgment the #1 PS3 game right now? And in any case, the PS3 has waggle and hardly any games implement it.
It'd be much easier to just register a Bluetooth Wiimote with your PS3 than it would be to open up your Wii and mess with its insides until it could play the other games.
And what the hell did the rest of your post have to do with what I said? I never said that it would sell the console. I just said that it would be easy to do.
Also, whoever said that Wiimotes are already Bluetooth-
I just checked Wikipedia, and apparently they DO use short-ranged Bluetooth. So I might as well just go find an emulator for my PS3 and play my Wii games on it.
Except I can't plug my Gamecube controller into my PS3 to play Brawl... ;_;
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Nope, I've got one. I even made a transvestite Mii.
Go ahead, ask me something that only a Wii owner would know. Not anything too recent though, I haven't messed with the thing in a few months.
What kind of a kid would hate having a BB gun...
...I guess the same kind of person who would hate a Wii. :P
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Other than for possibly the cost ($19.99 for the PS2 version, $29.99 for the Wii version), I don't get this response. You've stated that you haven't even tried the game yet. I'm telling you it's amazing. And yet even though you express that you WILL try it, you are already resigned to buy the PS2 version regardless of how you feel about the Wii version.
It just seems to me that you have either an unshakable bias against motion control or you have unreasonable expectations about the Wii that people aren't fulfilling. Maybe both, but I think it's more of a bias than anything else.
It's really just that if I'm buying it I would prefer to take the one that's a safer bet for me to like it. I haven't liked motion controls before, so I have no reason to suspect that this would be any better besides someone I've never met on the interwebnets telling me so (No offense). And I rarely get any money, so if I buy a game, I'm damn well going to make as sure as I can that I'm going to like it.
EDIT: Also, I suppose I do have a bit of a bias. But it's a bias built from experience. Give me a reason to remove that bias and it will disappear. However, until such a time as I've played a game that I really like the motion controls on, I'm buying any cross-platform games for my PS3 or PS2.
That's... that's a very odd thing for a Wii owner to say.
Incidentally, I love the Wii. I only own 3 games for the 360, and 2 for the PS3, but I have a bucketload of Wii games and besides a couple of bad choices here and there (my Dad really, really wanted to try out Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest and Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix) I'm happy with it. It gets more playtime than any of the other consoles, although at the moment playtime is split mostly between Super Mario Galaxy on the Wii and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune on the PS3.
Edit: Also, the motion control on RE4-Wii is superbly executed. At the very least give it a rental or something rather than just dismissing it entirely based on "I might not like it."
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Fine, you don't like motion controls. Okay. I don't fucking understand your reasoning, but sure. Why not.
But the chronology of our little conversation here is what bothers me:
Me: "Have you tried RE4 Wii Edition?"
You: "No. I'll try it."
Me: "Cool."
You: "But if I buy it, I'm going to buy the PS2 version."
At that point, it's not me telling you buy the game based on my personal opinion, you are in fact saying that you're going to try the game for yourself but regardless you're going to buy the PS2 version. This suggests that you have such an unshakable bias against motion control that you cannot possibly fathom any game penetrating that bias, even after you've tried it yourself.
And therein lies the problem with your outlook.
Actually, what I said was more like "I'll try it if I don't have to pay for it".
Uh. I'll amend this, though I thought I had paraphrased the essential bits:
Me: "Have you tried RE4 Wii Edition?"
You: "No. I'll try it because my friend owns it and can lend it to me for free."
Me: "Cool."
You: "But if I buy it, I'm going to buy the PS2 version."
Same points apply.
Thankfully, in the (admittedly few) Wii games I've played it hasn't come up too much. Hearing that sword slashes were mapped to waggle was one thing that turned me off to the Wii Twilight Princess though. The Wii remote is capable of so much more than that.
Ok, here's the thing. I only have so much money. If I buy a game, I'm buying the safest bet for the one that I'll like. I've borrowed RE4 for the PS2 from a friend of mine a while back, and it was fun. I just never finished it because I didn't want to hog the guys game, because it was basically his favorite game ever. I know that I'd like the PS2 version. So if I were to buy it, I would buy the one that I know I would like.
Also, even IF the motion controls somehow manage to be good, chances are still pretty high that I would like the PS2 version more, since I like the PS2 controller so much. Also, I don't like the whole "Two-piece controller" thing on the Wiimote.
For what it's worth, I don't particularly love motion controls either, and I've played all the games you just recommended. It just isn't for me, and I'm far happier with a 360 pad or a Type-S in my hands. But I don't bust into every thread the second someone says they prefer the Wii controller.
It's arguments like this that make me hate these forums*
*And people using the word "rig" to describe their PC.
If you've played that much of Resident Evil 4 already, you should know after about 5 or 10 minutes with the Wii version whether you'd love it more or less on the Wii.
*shrug*
He's not simply not in love with the Wii, he "hates motion controls" and I know that I'm - at the very least - not harping on him. I'm investigating the situation out of curiosity.
what I mean is outside of fanboy arguments. Last gen was pretty heated, and this one is too, but what I mean is that more people have conflicting opinions regarding the wii than with any other console before it, excluding fanboys. Lord Ship's opinion, while evidently one that'll be layed under the eye of scrutiny in an environment like PA, is completely legitimate. He doesn't seem like a fanboy. He doesn't seem to be really biased at all. He's given the wii a fair shake and he doesn't like it. He just doesn't like the basic idea of the console itself. Never before have we seen non-fanboys approach a console and evaluate it altogether as something they don't like. It's the first console I've seen that you can approach with little to no bias or brand loyalty and find yourself unliking the majority of games offered and still retain legitimacy in your claim. If someone came in here and said "I didn't like the oxbox. At all. I didn't particularly enjoy any game on the system," the only way they'd be justified in any way is if they hated console gaming altogether. And even then, it'd be pretty fishy and the person in question would get a lot of jeering from tha PA crowd. But you can definitely say that about the wii and still be regarded as a sane person, provided that you're not a fanboy.
The reason behind this? Probably motion controls.
It's not as if he's planning to round up all the motion controls into concentration camps and gas them for fucks sake.
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I don't mind at all, so long as the conversation doesn't degrade into "STFU FAG", followed by people bashing the PS3 because they're too stupid to come up with a defense for the Wii besides making fun of my system of choice.
And if I could play it for free, like I did with the PS2 version, I'd go ahead and find out.
In fact, I do have on friend who might have it. I'll check with him when school starts back in after Thanksgiving break. If he does, I'll borrow the game and try it.
Er maybe I misread your other post but I thought you already said you did have a friend that could lend it to you: if I was wrong, I apologize; that should explain my recent comments, though.
It's called a conversation, fuckstick. That's what forums are for. I'm not harping on him, I'm trying to find out why. So I guess the answer to "who gives a flying toss??" is "me." I give enough of a flying toss to inquire as to why.
Do you have a problem with this Ben? Because if so, I happily extend to you an invitation to shut the hell up and keep it to yourself. I certainly don't give a "flying toss" as to what you think about what I want to converse about on this forum.
And as for arguments that I hate on this forum? I hate when people tell other people what they should or shouldn't converse about.
Fuck off.
Little touchy, aren't we?
Yes, you touched upon my #1 forum pet peeve: "why are you even talking about this?!?!" I hate it. It's obvious I'm talking about this because I want to, so questioning my decision to converse about something, on an internet forum whose sole purpose of existence is conversation, is just damned annoying.
I mean no personal offense, but I loathe this kind of crap and I'll thank you and everyone else not to ask me or anyone else why I (or he or she) are conversing about any given subject. The answer is now and ever shall be: because I damn well want to. And that's all the reason I or you or anyone else should need.
Trying to limit other peoples' scope of conversation is just lame.
I agree. I think the Wiimote has two big strengths.
It can make games more accessible and in some cases, more fun. Wii Bowling is a good example of this. There is nothing in Wii Bowling that a standard controller couldn't do, but I would never touch a bowling game with a standard controller, but I love Wii Bowling.
The other strength is it can do things that would be a nightmare on other controllers. We haven't really seen this yet sadly. For example, a FPS on the Wii could allow you to aim your gun and a grenade throw at the same time while moving. You would aim/shoot with IR, move with control stick, and aim the a grenade throw/roll with the nunchuck tilt. This would be a nightmare on 360 controller. The sixasix could pull it off though. That's just an example, there are others.
It still should be a no-brainer. The Wii version has improved visuals over the PS2 version (the better GameCube graphics, as well as progressive scan), and lets you plug in a GameCube controller, meaning you can even completely ignore the motion controls if you so desire.
Uhm, you can play RE4 Wii with the GC controller? I had no idea.
Yeah. There's no option in a menu or anything.
It's just a deal where you plug in the controller and all the controls and QTE events become GCN controls. Something like that. I haven't tried it yet; I find the Wii controls vastly superior anyway so I don't bother.
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It can but it is extremely unreliable. I did manage to download Paper Mario by going on late at night. All I have right now is the console as it came out of the box.
Also my Wii and CPU arent on the same floor. The Wii is in the basement while the computer is upstairs.
Well, first, switch your router to channel 1 or 11(I'm assuming you're using a router). This will make your connection MUCH more reliable, and have no effects on other stuff.
It does? Well then, Wii version sounds just fine to me.
Yes, exactly. The PC provides me with anything the 360 or PS3 might, even if I have to wait for a hypothetical PC version of Mass Effect.
The Wii, however, has stuff I'd only enjoy on a console and that can't be duplicated with the 360.
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Meh, just start selling Bluetooth Wiimotes and the PS3 could play Wii games. The Wii couldn't do the same for PS3 or 360 games.
Like Rock Band!
/rimshot
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Or just sell CPU, GPU, and RAM upgrades for the Wii and it could play PS3 and 360 games. Neither scenario is likely.
Upgrades and accessories don't sell consoles, and they don't sell games. Doesn't matter what they are. Or is Eye of Judgment the #1 PS3 game right now? And in any case, the PS3 has waggle and hardly any games implement it.
Well, it's not as if the game is too advanced for the Wii. Harmonix just didn't seem to want to develop it. Makes me wonder if there will be a port later.
But you do have a point...as long as companies bypass the Wii for their major titles when they very well could be done on the system, it's going to be consistent argument why it's not doing as well as it could.
Also: They are bluetooth, that's how people have been doing all those experiments on PCs with them
People are getting pretty close to getting that to work on PC.
So, no.
I don't see how people might be able to play Rock Band on the PC in the future has anything to do with me rimshotting the wii.
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It'd be much easier to just register a Bluetooth Wiimote with your PS3 than it would be to open up your Wii and mess with its insides until it could play the other games.
And what the hell did the rest of your post have to do with what I said? I never said that it would sell the console. I just said that it would be easy to do.
Also, whoever said that Wiimotes are already Bluetooth-
I just checked Wikipedia, and apparently they DO use short-ranged Bluetooth. So I might as well just go find an emulator for my PS3 and play my Wii games on it.
Except I can't plug my Gamecube controller into my PS3 to play Brawl... ;_;
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