the idea that I'm paying full price for a new game not touched by unholy consoles of the employees.
Well, there is your problem.
GameStop NEVER guaranteed that this is what they were selling you.
You seem to want something that they don't offer.
So they don't offer new games at all?
They do.
But they do not cater to your personal definitions.
Are you dense? If I walk into EB and I am hit in the eyes by the floor being covered with "BUY TWO USED GET ONE FREE" signs atop the used bins, I would expect the walls to contain new, unused games, since I can't pick up two "new" ones and get another free.
KA is totally right on this one.
Your dichotomy is apalling.
You guys keep redefining "used".
"Used", in the sense of the store, is a game that has been purchased from a customer.
That's not dfficult to understand.
You may disagree with their policies, but they are not hiding them, or anything.
No, the store is redefining "new".
I'm sorry to tell you, but they aren't.
You're right, they aren't.
They're just trying to and nobody but you and a few others are buying it.
Sucks to be a mindless idiot, though, huh? You'll have to let me know as I have no experience with that kind of mental defect.
interesting choice fo words
Because the majority of consumers ARE buying it.
The issue with gutted games is only held by the minority.
And, even by your own definition of "unspun", gutted games are still new, as long as they haven't been checked out.
False, they are NOT NEW you festering cockmongrel. That's the false dichotomy someone mentioned. There's a midpoint between "new" and "used."
And false with regard to "the majority" not caring: it is a statistic you cannot support whatsoever.
Would you want a slice missing, no matter how small, without knowing it?
Would you want a pie sold as new when there was a piece missing?
What is missing from a game that has been played?
The slice missing is "new".
You aren't getting this.
I'm not sure I can degrade my argument any lower so you can comprehend.
You cannot sell a game as new when you have fucking opened the damn box.
the idea that I'm paying full price for a new game not touched by unholy consoles of the employees.
Well, there is your problem.
GameStop NEVER guaranteed that this is what they were selling you.
You seem to want something that they don't offer.
So they don't offer new games at all?
They do.
But they do not cater to your personal definitions.
Are you dense? If I walk into EB and I am hit in the eyes by the floor being covered with "BUY TWO USED GET ONE FREE" signs atop the used bins, I would expect the walls to contain new, unused games, since I can't pick up two "new" ones and get another free.
KA is totally right on this one.
Your dichotomy is apalling.
You guys keep redefining "used".
"Used", in the sense of the store, is a game that has been purchased from a customer.
That's not dfficult to understand.
You may disagree with their policies, but they are not hiding them, or anything.
No, the store is redefining "new".
I'm sorry to tell you, but they aren't.
You're right, they aren't.
They're just trying to and nobody but you and a few others are buying it.
Sucks to be a mindless idiot, though, huh? You'll have to let me know as I have no experience with that kind of mental defect.
interesting choice fo words
Because the majority of consumers ARE buying it.
The issue with gutted games is only held by the minority.
And, even by your own definition of "unspun", gutted games are still new, as long as they haven't been checked out.
False, they are NOT NEW you festering cockmongrel. That's the false dichotomy someone mentioned. There's a midpoint between "new" and "used."
And false with regard to "the majority" not caring: it is a statistic you cannot support whatsoever.
I believe that Gamestop's massive profits speak loud and clear as to what the "majority" thinks.
and, seriously, if you have to resort to name calling, then you've really got nothing.
I have to agree with Evander. The process of gutting is simply taking off the shrink wrap and putting it in a nice little sleeve. The game has never been bought and never been played. It is new. Not used. The exception to this being employee checkouts which I don't fully get behind and therefore don't check out new games from work. The whining and complaining going on in this thread is about some of the most asinine crap ever. And lord if you hate gutted games so much then don't buy them. At some point there will be an ungutted copy.
Would you want a slice missing, no matter how small, without knowing it?
Would you want a pie sold as new when there was a piece missing?
What is missing from a game that has been played?
The slice missing is "new".
You aren't getting this.
I'm not sure I can degrade my argument any lower so you can comprehend.
You cannot sell a game as new when you have fucking opened the damn box.
I'm not getting it because, to be quite honest, your analogy doesn't make any sense.
An opened game is absolutely identical to an unopened game in every single way, except for a lair of wrapping that the end user is going to throw out regardless.
I have to agree with Evander. The process of gutting is simply taking off the shrink wrap and putting it in a nice little sleeve. The game has never been bought and never been played. It is new. Not used. The exception to this being employee checkouts which I don't fully get behind and therefore don't check out new games from work. The whining and complaining going on in this thread is about some of the most asinine crap ever. And lord if you hate gutted games so much then don't buy them. At some point there will be an ungutted copy.
actually, by your own explanation, it's not new but "gutted".
so how about a new game is $50, a gutted game is $45, and those 2 week old USED games could go down to $40 since that would actually not be offensive as a difference between new and used.
Would you want a slice missing, no matter how small, without knowing it?
Would you want a pie sold as new when there was a piece missing?
What is missing from a game that has been played?
The slice missing is "new".
You aren't getting this.
I'm not sure I can degrade my argument any lower so you can comprehend.
You cannot sell a game as new when you have fucking opened the damn box.
I'm not getting it because, to be quite honest, your analogy doesn't make any sense.
An opened game is absolutely identical to an unopened game in every single way, except for a lair of wrapping that the end user is going to throw out regardless.
Played.
Did you miss that part?
PEOPLE BUY NEW THINGS SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE SATISFACTION OF OPENING A NEW BOX AND KNOWING IT IS NEW
THEY WANT NEWNESS
THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE CHEATED OUT OF THEIR NEWNESS
LIKE MAGIC CARDS
SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE CRINKLY CELLOPHANE RIPPING SOUNDS
GRAAAAAAAAAAAR
I have to agree with Evander. The process of gutting is simply taking off the shrink wrap and putting it in a nice little sleeve. The game has never been bought and never been played. It is new. Not used. The exception to this being employee checkouts which I don't fully get behind and therefore don't check out new games from work. The whining and complaining going on in this thread is about some of the most asinine crap ever. And lord if you hate gutted games so much then don't buy them. At some point there will be an ungutted copy.
actually, by your own explanation, it's not new but "gutted".
so how about a new game is $50, a gutted game is $45, and those 2 week old USED games could go down to $40 since that would actually not be offensive as a difference between new and used.
just spitballing here.
Why should they?
People are willing to pay the prices that they are all already being sold at. Why should GameStop lower their prices? They would recieve ZERO benefit from it, but would also take a hit to their profits.
If you have to resort to pedantry to make a point then you don't have much of a point to begin with.
I think the point is, would the customers know if we re-wrapped it and didn't say anything?
Also I don't think my definitions were that particular, or impressive, so yall can take your fancy pants words to back where ya came from.
*rails slide*
I know it is hard to think that there are other people in the world or morals.
Try for a second to imagine a world where things are advertised as what they really are.
You are shitting all over integrity, ITT.
Would you want a slice missing, no matter how small, without knowing it?
Would you want a pie sold as new when there was a piece missing?
What is missing from a game that has been played?
The slice missing is "new".
You aren't getting this.
I'm not sure I can degrade my argument any lower so you can comprehend.
You cannot sell a game as new when you have fucking opened the damn box.
I'm not getting it because, to be quite honest, your analogy doesn't make any sense.
An opened game is absolutely identical to an unopened game in every single way, except for a lair of wrapping that the end user is going to throw out regardless.
Played.
Did you miss that part?
PEOPLE BUY NEW THINGS SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY LIKE THE SATISFACTION OF OPENING A NEW BOX AND KNOWING IT IS NEW
THEY WANT NEWNESS
THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE CHEATED OUT OF THEIR NEWNESS
LIKE MAGIC CARDS
SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE CRINKLY CELLOPHANE RIPPING SOUNDS
GRAAAAAAAAAAAR
Yes, and that is STILL offered to those people. No one is gutting ALL of the games.
I have to agree with Evander. The process of gutting is simply taking off the shrink wrap and putting it in a nice little sleeve. The game has never been bought and never been played. It is new. Not used. The exception to this being employee checkouts which I don't fully get behind and therefore don't check out new games from work. The whining and complaining going on in this thread is about some of the most asinine crap ever. And lord if you hate gutted games so much then don't buy them. At some point there will be an ungutted copy.
actually, by your own explanation, it's not new but "gutted".
so how about a new game is $50, a gutted game is $45, and those 2 week old USED games could go down to $40 since that would actually not be offensive as a difference between new and used.
just spitballing here.
Well but then the people who don't care would buy gutted games and then the store would have to continue gutting to keep games on the shelf.
You are using so many distortions that it is sickening.
If you have to work this hard to make something sound okay, it might not be that okay to begin with.
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I have to agree with Evander. The process of gutting is simply taking off the shrink wrap and putting it in a nice little sleeve. The game has never been bought and never been played. It is new. Not used. The exception to this being employee checkouts which I don't fully get behind and therefore don't check out new games from work. The whining and complaining going on in this thread is about some of the most asinine crap ever. And lord if you hate gutted games so much then don't buy them. At some point there will be an ungutted copy.
actually, by your own explanation, it's not new but "gutted".
so how about a new game is $50, a gutted game is $45, and those 2 week old USED games could go down to $40 since that would actually not be offensive as a difference between new and used.
just spitballing here.
Why should they?
People are willing to pay the prices that they are all already being sold at. Why should GameStop lower their prices? They would recieve ZERO benefit from it, but would also take a hit to their profits.
well that's a different point... I'm saying what I want as a consumer. being aware they are a corporation means that even though this stuff bothers me, I expect it. shit I'm shocked used games don't cost the same as new, most people don't give a fuck.
which again, is fine, my post was about what I'd like, not what I'd do if I owned EBStop and wanted to turn the biggest possible profit.
Is it EB policy to offer a discount on a "new" gutted game if the box that was gutted and used for display is stolen, forcing the game to be sold seperately?
How about if the "new" game shows visible signs of wear and tear?
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I have to agree with Evander. The process of gutting is simply taking off the shrink wrap and putting it in a nice little sleeve. The game has never been bought and never been played. It is new. Not used. The exception to this being employee checkouts which I don't fully get behind and therefore don't check out new games from work. The whining and complaining going on in this thread is about some of the most asinine crap ever. And lord if you hate gutted games so much then don't buy them. At some point there will be an ungutted copy.
actually, by your own explanation, it's not new but "gutted".
so how about a new game is $50, a gutted game is $45, and those 2 week old USED games could go down to $40 since that would actually not be offensive as a difference between new and used.
just spitballing here.
Well but then the people who don't care would buy gutted games and then the store would have to continue gutting to keep games on the shelf.
not as an option, but as a "this is our last, gutted copy. do you want it for $45?"
the idea that I'm paying full price for a new game not touched by unholy consoles of the employees.
Well, there is your problem.
GameStop NEVER guaranteed that this is what they were selling you.
You seem to want something that they don't offer.
So they don't offer new games at all?
They do.
But they do not cater to your personal definitions.
Are you dense? If I walk into EB and I am hit in the eyes by the floor being covered with "BUY TWO USED GET ONE FREE" signs atop the used bins, I would expect the walls to contain new, unused games, since I can't pick up two "new" ones and get another free.
KA is totally right on this one.
Your dichotomy is apalling.
You guys keep redefining "used".
"Used", in the sense of the store, is a game that has been purchased from a customer.
That's not dfficult to understand.
You may disagree with their policies, but they are not hiding them, or anything.
No, the store is redefining "new".
I'm sorry to tell you, but they aren't.
You're right, they aren't.
They're just trying to and nobody but you and a few others are buying it.
Sucks to be a mindless idiot, though, huh? You'll have to let me know as I have no experience with that kind of mental defect.
interesting choice fo words
Because the majority of consumers ARE buying it.
The issue with gutted games is only held by the minority.
And, even by your own definition of "unspun", gutted games are still new, as long as they haven't been checked out.
False, they are NOT NEW you festering cockmongrel. That's the false dichotomy someone mentioned. There's a midpoint between "new" and "used."
And false with regard to "the majority" not caring: it is a statistic you cannot support whatsoever.
I believe that Gamestop's massive profits speak loud and clear as to what the "majority" thinks.
and, seriously, if you have to resort to name calling, then you've really got nothing.
I've got everything, including an increasing hatred for you and an increasing irritation at your continued existence. Me calling you a name doesn't invalidate the fact that I'm 100% right and that you've been spouting insane, incorrect, invalid, ethically undefendable bullshit for 30 pages now. The fact that you are so smug in your ignorance and how you dismissively throw around incorrect information as if you are some kind of business authority literally disgusts me. You're nothing but a waste of oxygen.
And "I belive that Gamestop's massive profits speak loud and clear as to what the 'majority' thinks" is 100% proof of how unbelievably stupid and incapabale of logical reasoning you are. I mean, we already nipped that in the bud a dozen fucking pages ago. The success of Gamestop does not prove that the specific practice of gutting and selling gutted games as new does not annoy customers nor does it make their definition of new correct. The fact that customers are apparently willing to put up with this very obnoxious, extremely unethical, and potentially illegal practice does not mean that it is not obnoxious, unethical, or illegal. It just means that people are willing to do business with EBStop anyway. It doesn't actually prove what you're saying it proves. It's doesn't prove that gutted games are new. The success of Gamestop doesn't prove ANYTHING about specific practices except that people are willing to shop at Gamestop either because of or in spite of them. So you cannot use their continued success as a barometer for any particular policy, especially something like this.
What annoys me most is that you are apparently educated (somewhat) in business and yet you continue to spout incorrect nonsense that even non-business educated folk could see right through. Would ya kindly cut it out?
Is this whole thing about people being anal about having the plastic wrapping on their games? Something that you more than likely take for granted when it's there anyway? I guess it's cool to worry if the employee who sells the game is some dirt covered ape but I mean seriously? I don't know what I expected from this branch of the forum.
I have to agree with Evander. The process of gutting is simply taking off the shrink wrap and putting it in a nice little sleeve. The game has never been bought and never been played. It is new. Not used. The exception to this being employee checkouts which I don't fully get behind and therefore don't check out new games from work. The whining and complaining going on in this thread is about some of the most asinine crap ever. And lord if you hate gutted games so much then don't buy them. At some point there will be an ungutted copy.
actually, by your own explanation, it's not new but "gutted".
so how about a new game is $50, a gutted game is $45, and those 2 week old USED games could go down to $40 since that would actually not be offensive as a difference between new and used.
just spitballing here.
Why should they?
People are willing to pay the prices that they are all already being sold at. Why should GameStop lower their prices? They would recieve ZERO benefit from it, but would also take a hit to their profits.
well that's a different point... I'm saying what I want as a consumer. being aware they are a corporation means that even though this stuff bothers me, I expect it. shit I'm shocked used games don't cost the same as new, most people don't give a fuck.
which again, is fine, my post was about what I'd like, not what I'd do if I owned EBStop and wanted to turn the biggest possible profit.
That's fair.
As a consumer, I'd love cheaper prices too.
Looking at it as a capitalist, though, they are simply pricing their shit to meet demand. I can't fault them for that.
If you are offered a gutted game, follow this flowchart -
Edit: Haha! Top page
Ah, in Evander's mind there can't be a discount since it is sitll "new"
Then move the to box of "don't buy"
There is no box for "bitch on forum"
That's why your diagram fails.
That box that says "Don't Buy It" should also include something about complaining about fucking stupid their store is and how you won't shop there again. To the manager obviously.
No. If you don't like how a store operates, they are under no obligation to change their practises just to suit you. Sure, you can give them feedback on what might make you more likely to shop there in future (and you are more likely to get a good response not useing language like fucking stupid). If they decide that it might be more profitable to change to suit you, then great stuff for you, if not they won't.
They have to balance net market perceived value with costs, and currently the best way for them to do that iis to sometimes gut games.
I think we're just being dicks as this point. All of us.
I can't physically punch people through the internet but I'm trying to make my posts have as similar an effect as possible because by golly I'd like to punch Evander right in his stupid mouth.
Why does this thread keep popping up every few months? I actually thought it was just someone posting recently on the oldest one, but nope, here I see it's a whole brand spanking new thread.
I just don't get it. No one is forcing you to buy a gutted game. You have alternatives.
I mean, I can understand why it annoys certain people, but at the end of the day, barring someone checking out a game, the product is still new, whether it's gutted or not.
If you are offered a gutted game, follow this flowchart -
Edit: Haha! Top page
Ah, in Evander's mind there can't be a discount since it is sitll "new"
Then move the to box of "don't buy"
There is no box for "bitch on forum"
That's why your diagram fails.
That box that says "Don't Buy It" should also include something about complaining about fucking stupid their store is and how you won't shop there again. To the manager obviously.
No, if you don't like how a store operates, they are under no obligation to change their practises just to suit you. Sure, you can give them feedback on what might make you more likely to shop there in future (and you are more likely to get a good response not useing language like fucking stupid). If they decide that it might be more profitable to change to suit you, then great stuff for you, if not they won't.
They have to balance net market perceived value with costs, and currently the best way for them to do that iis to sometimes gut games.
Yes, that is what companies do, not suit the customer.
Are you fucking stupid? WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PROFIT
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MORALS
Used: to put into action or service; that has endured use; to take unfair advantage of; exploit.
I will not buy a gutted game, although I do not consider that as "used" I just happen to enjoy being the first person to look through the manual, open the packaging, puting the game in the console, etc.
But the minute someone else plays that game, and this is the universe outside EBStop apparently, it becomes used.
Why does this thread keep popping up every few months? I actually thought it was just someone posting recently on the oldest one, but nope, here I see it's a whole brand spanking new thread.
I just don't get it. No one is forcing you to buy a gutted game. You have alternatives.
I mean, I can understand why it annoys certain people, but at the end of the day, barring someone checking out a game, the product is still new, whether it's gutted or not.
What annoys me most is that you are apparently educated (somewhat) in business and yet you continue to spout incorrect nonsense that even non-business educated folk could see right through. Would ya kindly cut it out?
Drez, I think the issue is that you are coming in here closed minded, assuming that there is no way that you can be wrong, and anyone disagreeing with you is a sign of a lack of intelligence.
I'm not sure what you hope to acomplish like that.
Why does this thread keep popping up every few months? I actually thought it was just someone posting recently on the oldest one, but nope, here I see it's a whole brand spanking new thread.
I just don't get it. No one is forcing you to buy a gutted game. You have alternatives.
I mean, I can understand why it annoys certain people, but at the end of the day, barring someone checking out a game, the product is still new, whether it's gutted or not.
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What is missing from a game that has been played?
False, they are NOT NEW you festering cockmongrel. That's the false dichotomy someone mentioned. There's a midpoint between "new" and "used."
And false with regard to "the majority" not caring: it is a statistic you cannot support whatsoever.
You aren't getting this.
I'm not sure I can degrade my argument any lower so you can comprehend.
You cannot sell a game as new when you have fucking opened the damn box.
I believe that Gamestop's massive profits speak loud and clear as to what the "majority" thinks.
and, seriously, if you have to resort to name calling, then you've really got nothing.
I'm not getting it because, to be quite honest, your analogy doesn't make any sense.
An opened game is absolutely identical to an unopened game in every single way, except for a lair of wrapping that the end user is going to throw out regardless.
Yes, it really, really is.
I think the point is, would the customers know if we re-wrapped it and didn't say anything?
Also I don't think my definitions were that particular, or impressive, so yall can take your fancy pants words to back where ya came from.
*rails slide*
actually, by your own explanation, it's not new but "gutted".
so how about a new game is $50, a gutted game is $45, and those 2 week old USED games could go down to $40 since that would actually not be offensive as a difference between new and used.
just spitballing here.
Because I do.
Did you miss that part?
THEY WANT NEWNESS
THEY DO NOT WANT TO BE CHEATED OUT OF THEIR NEWNESS
LIKE MAGIC CARDS
SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE CRINKLY CELLOPHANE RIPPING SOUNDS
GRAAAAAAAAAAAR
Why should they?
People are willing to pay the prices that they are all already being sold at. Why should GameStop lower their prices? They would recieve ZERO benefit from it, but would also take a hit to their profits.
Try for a second to imagine a world where things are advertised as what they really are.
You are shitting all over integrity, ITT.
Yes, and that is STILL offered to those people. No one is gutting ALL of the games.
Well but then the people who don't care would buy gutted games and then the store would have to continue gutting to keep games on the shelf.
I mean, the cone is more to eat, but they don't give it to you cheaper if you just get the cup.
If you have to work this hard to make something sound okay, it might not be that okay to begin with.
well that's a different point... I'm saying what I want as a consumer. being aware they are a corporation means that even though this stuff bothers me, I expect it. shit I'm shocked used games don't cost the same as new, most people don't give a fuck.
which again, is fine, my post was about what I'd like, not what I'd do if I owned EBStop and wanted to turn the biggest possible profit.
How about if the "new" game shows visible signs of wear and tear?
but they give you a spoon and a cup instead.
try a better analogy, maybe you'll trick us into agreeing with you.
not as an option, but as a "this is our last, gutted copy. do you want it for $45?"
I've got everything, including an increasing hatred for you and an increasing irritation at your continued existence. Me calling you a name doesn't invalidate the fact that I'm 100% right and that you've been spouting insane, incorrect, invalid, ethically undefendable bullshit for 30 pages now. The fact that you are so smug in your ignorance and how you dismissively throw around incorrect information as if you are some kind of business authority literally disgusts me. You're nothing but a waste of oxygen.
And "I belive that Gamestop's massive profits speak loud and clear as to what the 'majority' thinks" is 100% proof of how unbelievably stupid and incapabale of logical reasoning you are. I mean, we already nipped that in the bud a dozen fucking pages ago. The success of Gamestop does not prove that the specific practice of gutting and selling gutted games as new does not annoy customers nor does it make their definition of new correct. The fact that customers are apparently willing to put up with this very obnoxious, extremely unethical, and potentially illegal practice does not mean that it is not obnoxious, unethical, or illegal. It just means that people are willing to do business with EBStop anyway. It doesn't actually prove what you're saying it proves. It's doesn't prove that gutted games are new. The success of Gamestop doesn't prove ANYTHING about specific practices except that people are willing to shop at Gamestop either because of or in spite of them. So you cannot use their continued success as a barometer for any particular policy, especially something like this.
What annoys me most is that you are apparently educated (somewhat) in business and yet you continue to spout incorrect nonsense that even non-business educated folk could see right through. Would ya kindly cut it out?
Weird.
That's fair.
As a consumer, I'd love cheaper prices too.
Looking at it as a capitalist, though, they are simply pricing their shit to meet demand. I can't fault them for that.
Wow.
No. If you don't like how a store operates, they are under no obligation to change their practises just to suit you. Sure, you can give them feedback on what might make you more likely to shop there in future (and you are more likely to get a good response not useing language like fucking stupid). If they decide that it might be more profitable to change to suit you, then great stuff for you, if not they won't.
They have to balance net market perceived value with costs, and currently the best way for them to do that iis to sometimes gut games.
I can't physically punch people through the internet but I'm trying to make my posts have as similar an effect as possible because by golly I'd like to punch Evander right in his stupid mouth.
Why does this thread keep popping up every few months? I actually thought it was just someone posting recently on the oldest one, but nope, here I see it's a whole brand spanking new thread.
I just don't get it. No one is forcing you to buy a gutted game. You have alternatives.
I mean, I can understand why it annoys certain people, but at the end of the day, barring someone checking out a game, the product is still new, whether it's gutted or not.
Are you fucking stupid? WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT PROFIT
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MORALS
Used: to put into action or service; that has endured use; to take unfair advantage of; exploit.
I will not buy a gutted game, although I do not consider that as "used" I just happen to enjoy being the first person to look through the manual, open the packaging, puting the game in the console, etc.
But the minute someone else plays that game, and this is the universe outside EBStop apparently, it becomes used.
This.
Steam doesn't give you a wrapper when you buy a new game.
They don't even give you a manual, or a case! And it costs the same as in store?
Dick move. :roll:
Drez, I think the issue is that you are coming in here closed minded, assuming that there is no way that you can be wrong, and anyone disagreeing with you is a sign of a lack of intelligence.
I'm not sure what you hope to acomplish like that.
Is incorrect.