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Hello H and A I come to you with a fashion problem.
I have two events upcoming that require me to get some snazzy clothes. A work christmas party and a new years party. I want to wear the same thing to both because it is with 2 differnt groups of people and no one will notice plus it saves me money.
I do not own a real suit or tuxedo and I cant wear my dress military uniform to either event. So i need to come up with a suit. Ideally I would like a white tuxedo. Something like what the lead singer is wearing in this video.
I don't know if picking out something from a late-80s Danish music video is going to be a good fashion choice.
For reals.
All you need is a dinner jacket and trousers rather than a full on tuxedo. Those things are cheap to get.
Get black because you will spill something on it, or have something spilled on you, and white will be a complete fuck to clean.
You can even get washable (as in machine wash) ones from Marks and Spencers in the UK, so I am sure the US must have them somewhere.
Try them on first, don't buy off the internet. The cut will vary widely between designs and may hang on you weird, even if it was what you thought would be the right size.
expect prices to start at $150-250 minimum (a brand like after six) and designer labels will start around $500 and will go up past $1K.
if you're hurting for formal clothes, don't buy a freaking tuxedo; invest in a quality slate, black or navy suit, you can get much more use out of it. and if you're going to buy a white tuxedo, budget to dry clean it after every use; whereas in a black number, you can probably tidy up a spill or two and get several wears out of it before having to dry clean. vests are much preferred to cummerbunds (sp?).
I have some experience wearing white. Im not that worried about spilling things on it or not. Normally the 3 or 4 times of the year I wear formal wear I go out in this
Do yourself a favor and do not get a white suit. Ever. No matter what.
The dinner jacket and trousers is the correct choice, unless it is black tie, or you anticipate needing a suit. In which case buy black, dark grey, or dark blue.
If the jacket and trouses seem "boring" to you, you can always liven it up with a single, brighter colored shirt. But no highlighter colors.
you can get a tailor suit for probably like 200, and buying a suit it worth it. I had a suit tailored at S&K a couple of years a go for a friend's formal, I've since worn it numerous times. Also, don't get that white suit in the video you'll look like an ass. Just get a simple black jacket and trousers then a nice shirt and tie and you'll be set.
I have two events upcoming that require me to get some snazzy clothes.
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Ideally I would like a white tuxedo.
I would humbly recommend you do not go the white tux route. It's something that looks cool in movies and on TV. But not so much in real life. Ofcourse, if you really want to, we can't stop you. But then at least take my second advice: Do not order from the internet.
You can order anything else in your life from the 'net. PC parts. Videogames. Groceries. Your car. A Russian bride. But not clothes where the slightest difference in cut can be the difference between looking good and looking like someone wearing their dad's clothes.
I'd recommend you go to the nearest city and find a decent men's clothing shop (every city has one). Bring someone who isn't afraid to tell you when something looks bad on you (god knows I've done some bad purchases because people weren't telling me when I looked like a douche). Explain your situation in the shop. Try on the clothes they recommend. Look at the fit. How are the shoulders (do you look like an 80s popstar, or like a bouncer at a cheap club)? How's your waist (does it look like you could fit 2 bodies in there, or won't the buttons even close)? Do you see any places where the fabric has a hard time fitting over your body, where you can see it bunching up or stretching out in ways its not supposed to?
If you google a bit, there are more 'problem areas' on suits/jackets/tux's you should check when buying off the rack. You want something that accentuates your body in all the right ways, without looking like it's too small or too big anywhere noticeable.
When you find something that makes you look good, ask for the price. If you can't afford it, remember how you look and how the suit looks, ask them if they have anything similarly cut in your budget. Compare what they give you to your more highly priced 'ideal'. If they can't help you out, thank them for their time. Now go around hunting for that look, that kind of clothing, in the budget you can afford. It might take some time, but imho clothes that make you look good are worth any time investment and you CAN find them in even a mainstream department store. You just have to know what to look for, which is why you visit a decent store first.
As for tailored clothing, from what I understand in America most mainstream tailoring is really adjusting not-quite ready-made wear for your sizes - as opposed to real, made from scratch tailored (bespoke) wear. There is however nothing wrong with that. If it's affordable and the tailor looks like he knows what he's doing, it will probably look better on you than what you get off a rack.
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The dinner jacket and trousers is the correct choice, unless it is black tie, or you anticipate needing a suit.
Ow, that's a good point I completely forgot. Is there any indication on the invitations for these parties (or any other place) for the type of formalwear you're supposed to wear?
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The main function of both of these events is fun. I am not looking to do business or meet women. I am just going out and having a good time. So I was willing to take a little license with the attire. I would almost prefer to stand out then blend in. Hence the white.
I feel like if I went with the above tux I would look like everyone else.
The point is, if you're going to spend money on such a thing, you shouldn't waste it on something you think will make you stand out. Formal attire is the opposite of standing out as a man. It is for the ladies to stand out, and whether you are looking to score or not, male and female alike don't like it.
You will look like you are trying too hard, you won't look cool or sophisticated. I used to think a white tuxedo was awesome as well, until I saw people actually wear them in real life, and realise they look retarded on almost all men.
The Navy dress uniform gets a pass because that's just what you wear, and it comes with all the connotations and exoticism of being a military man. A white tuxedo does not have that.
The point is, if you're going to spend money on such a thing, you shouldn't waste it on something you think will make you stand out. Formal attire is the opposite of standing out as a man. It is for the ladies to stand out, and whether you are looking to score or not, male and female alike don't like it.
You will look like you are trying too hard, you won't look cool or sophisticated. I used to think a white tuxedo was awesome as well, until I saw people actually wear them in real life, and realise they look retarded on almost all men.
Ok fair enough. I never really thought about your first point. But it makes sense. Ok you have sold me on the regular tux.
Now I guess the question is where can I get a good fit on the cheap? So far the advice has been pretty good. But It will be difficult for me to find local shops down here in milton florida.
If you are really strapped for money, tuxedo rental shops usually have used tuxes for sale at a significantly lower cost. If you look around, I am sure you can find a fit that will look nice on you.
Not so much strapped but every dollar I save on the tux is more money I can spend on my dates/other stuff relating to these events. Plus I dont see wearing this thing again till next year.
In my personal experience, it is not wise to buy clothing for women, especially something so well fitted like a dress. Odds are that the one you pick out will not fit nicely or she will hate the design or color.
Does this have to be a surprise? Maybe you can go dress shopping with her and then offer to pay for it? That way she can pick out something that she likes and can actually try it on.
edit: Oh, and you should take your dress shoes with you when you go tux shopping so you can get a better sense of how the pants will look.
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No, you would look like a relic of the 60's. Not to mention ridiculous, of course you'll need to remember never to sit down because a white suit will attract a dirt faster than white trash and bleech.
If you want to look different but yet still classy go for charcol for your suit with texture in the fabric, then try and push out some colours with your tie and shirt.
Don't buy clothes for women as a surprise unless you've been together for years OR you're a (real) designer and she loves your work. Women's clothes have a lot more "problem areas" than men's, and even if you actually pick out something pretty, you don't know if it'd fit her. Even if something is her size, it could fit badly around the chest or shoulders or hips, or have a seam in an awkward place, or be so short she can't lean over without flashing the room. This is especially true if you go for a "hot" dress; what looks hot to you off the rack can easily look cheap or trashy on her.
Better idea mentioned above: take her shopping and offer to pay for the dress she picks out.
As a girl I must tell you surprising her with a dress is not going to be a good idea. She may take it as you don't trust her fashion judgement. Also it probably won't fit. I had to try 30 some odd dresses on to find one that fit decently for a wedding. Just take her shopping and pay for the dress. She'll appreciate that more.
Another thing about the surprise dress is that a lot of girls really like shopping, so all you'll be doing is robbing her of a fun outing. Plus, yeah, what everyone else has said - dress shopping can be complicated. I went to about four different malls before I found one for my office Christmas party. And had a blast doing so :P
Thanks for all the help. Me and the lady friend are going shopping together this weekend. Now I have an Idea of what to look for for me and at the least a place to start.
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For reals.
All you need is a dinner jacket and trousers rather than a full on tuxedo. Those things are cheap to get.
Get black because you will spill something on it, or have something spilled on you, and white will be a complete fuck to clean.
You can even get washable (as in machine wash) ones from Marks and Spencers in the UK, so I am sure the US must have them somewhere.
Try them on first, don't buy off the internet. The cut will vary widely between designs and may hang on you weird, even if it was what you thought would be the right size.
http://www.finetuxedos.com/Page/white-tuxedos.htm
http://www.exclusivesuits.com/home.php?cat=260
http://www.tuxedosonline.com/white_tuxedos.14.0.26.1.htm
expect prices to start at $150-250 minimum (a brand like after six) and designer labels will start around $500 and will go up past $1K.
if you're hurting for formal clothes, don't buy a freaking tuxedo; invest in a quality slate, black or navy suit, you can get much more use out of it. and if you're going to buy a white tuxedo, budget to dry clean it after every use; whereas in a black number, you can probably tidy up a spill or two and get several wears out of it before having to dry clean. vests are much preferred to cummerbunds (sp?).
http://www.warhorsetradingpost.com/catalogue/UNIFORM%20USN%20DRESS%20WHITES%20LEE.jpg
(thats not me, It is just the navy dress uniform)
These two occasions however that is not an option. I am really set on the white tuxedo.
Does anyone know where I could find used tux's? or maybe second hand?
The dinner jacket and trousers is the correct choice, unless it is black tie, or you anticipate needing a suit. In which case buy black, dark grey, or dark blue.
If the jacket and trouses seem "boring" to you, you can always liven it up with a single, brighter colored shirt. But no highlighter colors.
Just get dark grey with a light grey undershirt. Voila, instant GQ.
You can order anything else in your life from the 'net. PC parts. Videogames. Groceries. Your car. A Russian bride. But not clothes where the slightest difference in cut can be the difference between looking good and looking like someone wearing their dad's clothes.
I'd recommend you go to the nearest city and find a decent men's clothing shop (every city has one). Bring someone who isn't afraid to tell you when something looks bad on you (god knows I've done some bad purchases because people weren't telling me when I looked like a douche). Explain your situation in the shop. Try on the clothes they recommend. Look at the fit. How are the shoulders (do you look like an 80s popstar, or like a bouncer at a cheap club)? How's your waist (does it look like you could fit 2 bodies in there, or won't the buttons even close)? Do you see any places where the fabric has a hard time fitting over your body, where you can see it bunching up or stretching out in ways its not supposed to?
If you google a bit, there are more 'problem areas' on suits/jackets/tux's you should check when buying off the rack. You want something that accentuates your body in all the right ways, without looking like it's too small or too big anywhere noticeable.
When you find something that makes you look good, ask for the price. If you can't afford it, remember how you look and how the suit looks, ask them if they have anything similarly cut in your budget. Compare what they give you to your more highly priced 'ideal'. If they can't help you out, thank them for their time. Now go around hunting for that look, that kind of clothing, in the budget you can afford. It might take some time, but imho clothes that make you look good are worth any time investment and you CAN find them in even a mainstream department store. You just have to know what to look for, which is why you visit a decent store first.
As for tailored clothing, from what I understand in America most mainstream tailoring is really adjusting not-quite ready-made wear for your sizes - as opposed to real, made from scratch tailored (bespoke) wear. There is however nothing wrong with that. If it's affordable and the tailor looks like he knows what he's doing, it will probably look better on you than what you get off a rack.
Man everyone is so hating on the white tux. That almost makes me want it more.
Why all the hate? It works for james bond.
...and you're not james bond
so move on, its just tacky especially to a formal or anything business related
Life is not a movie.
Because it wasn't one of the last, like, 4 Bond actors.
Looks black to me.
Also, his three-piece at the end of Casino Royale was awesome.
Ok. Fair enough.
The main function of both of these events is fun. I am not looking to do business or meet women. I am just going out and having a good time. So I was willing to take a little license with the attire. I would almost prefer to stand out then blend in. Hence the white.
I feel like if I went with the above tux I would look like everyone else.
You will look like you are trying too hard, you won't look cool or sophisticated. I used to think a white tuxedo was awesome as well, until I saw people actually wear them in real life, and realise they look retarded on almost all men.
The Navy dress uniform gets a pass because that's just what you wear, and it comes with all the connotations and exoticism of being a military man. A white tuxedo does not have that.
No it was Sean connery In the best bond film gold finger.
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/8/80/150px-007Connery.jpg
If I had a suit like that I would look awesome.
Ok fair enough. I never really thought about your first point. But it makes sense. Ok you have sold me on the regular tux.
Now I guess the question is where can I get a good fit on the cheap? So far the advice has been pretty good. But It will be difficult for me to find local shops down here in milton florida.
I will have to check out some local tux places.
Aside from stealing some other clothing of theirs is there any easy way to size up a woman for a hot black evening dress?
Also are dresses like suits where if im not spot on its not gonna work. I honestly have zero experience with dresses.
Does this have to be a surprise? Maybe you can go dress shopping with her and then offer to pay for it? That way she can pick out something that she likes and can actually try it on.
edit: Oh, and you should take your dress shoes with you when you go tux shopping so you can get a better sense of how the pants will look.
No, you would look like a relic of the 60's. Not to mention ridiculous, of course you'll need to remember never to sit down because a white suit will attract a dirt faster than white trash and bleech.
If you want to look different but yet still classy go for charcol for your suit with texture in the fabric, then try and push out some colours with your tie and shirt.
Satans..... hints.....
Don't buy clothes for women as a surprise unless you've been together for years OR you're a (real) designer and she loves your work. Women's clothes have a lot more "problem areas" than men's, and even if you actually pick out something pretty, you don't know if it'd fit her. Even if something is her size, it could fit badly around the chest or shoulders or hips, or have a seam in an awkward place, or be so short she can't lean over without flashing the room. This is especially true if you go for a "hot" dress; what looks hot to you off the rack can easily look cheap or trashy on her.
Better idea mentioned above: take her shopping and offer to pay for the dress she picks out.
Thanks for the tips!