Clerk: Happy holidays!
Customer: Excuse me! I'm an Idiot and I don't celebrate holidays at all! I find that salutation offensive, get your Manager this instant!
We're already at:
Clerk: Happy holidays!
Bill O'Rly: Excuse me? I'M A WHITE MALE CHRISTIAN, DAMMIT, AND I SHOULD BE GREETED WITH MERRY CHRISTMAS, YOU LIBERAL SCUMBAG HEATHEN.
It's a lose/lose situation.
So the answer is to just say "Have a nice day," which will offend manic-depressives and emo kids.
It's a lose/lose/lose situation then. Y'know what? There's no pleasing everyone. Pick a greeting, stick with it, and if you catch shit have a short speech including these examples and why it is a trap.
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Clerk: Happy holidays!
Customer: Excuse me! I'm an Idiot and I don't celebrate holidays at all! I find that salutation offensive, get your Manager this instant!
We're already at:
Clerk: Happy holidays!
Bill O'Rly: Excuse me? I'M A WHITE MALE CHRISTIAN, DAMMIT, AND I SHOULD BE GREETED WITH MERRY CHRISTMAS, YOU LIBERAL SCUMBAG HEATHEN.
It's a lose/lose situation.
So the answer is to just say "Have a nice day," which will offend manic-depressives and emo kids.
Hey, you're talking like upsetting emo kids is a bad thing...
I tend to say "Merry Christmas" and "Happy Holidays" pretty interchangeably. But the thing is, when I say (or "receive") a "Happy Holidays", I only hear it to mean "have a merry Christmas and a happy New Year". I'm an Atheist myself, and most of my family don't practice christianity much, so Christmas means the holiday, the gathering and subsequent party, more than anything.
Anyway, that's why I don't feel like a hypocrite when I say "Happy Holidays". I'm not saying it to be politically correct. I'm saying it to include a "time of holidays" instead of one particular holiday. Obviously, on Christmas day, I say Merry Christmas, but that's with family only.
Also, one of my recent jobs I had to work with and for some jews. I had no problems with any of them, great coworkers and bosses and all. Half of them would wish us a Merry Christmas, and we'd have an office Christmas party every year. Others would say Happy Holidays, but there was no hint of obvious political-correctness, just a kind of general sensitivity. And probably out of laziness, as well, as you can say "happy holidays" and it covers any and all religious (or not!) holidays during the period.
I remember when I was working at my parents' store one night, probably 10 years ago or so, I casually asked some guy what he and his family were going to be doing for some common holiday (either Christmas or Easter, I'm not sure) and he replied drily (and in a slightly offended tone) that he and his family didn't celebrate any of those pagan holidays. He even went into detail about how all those supposedly religious holidays were just adaptations from pagan holidays to justify himself (he's right about the adaptation part, anyway) So I deduced he must be either some kind of Jehovah's Witness or maybe a particularly militant Atheist (although his use of the word "pagan" almost precludes that), and just shut up, except for asking the necessary questions to complete the transaction.
Afterwards, I couldn't help but think of his poor children, having to watch all their friends get all sorts of cool stuff (be it presents or chocolate...) and then getting nothing themselves. And I knew that guy had at least a couple of young children.
See, it's the ones who take religion seriously (whether it's as believers or as extremist atheists) who are at the root of the problem. Everyone else is getting on really well, in general.
Clerk: Happy holidays!
Customer: Excuse me! I'm an Idiot and I don't celebrate holidays at all! I find that salutation offensive, get your Manager this instant!
We're already at:
Clerk: Happy holidays!
Bill O'Rly: Excuse me? I'M A WHITE MALE CHRISTIAN, DAMMIT, AND I SHOULD BE GREETED WITH MERRY CHRISTMAS, YOU LIBERAL SCUMBAG HEATHEN.
It's a lose/lose situation.
So the answer is to just say "Have a nice day," which will offend manic-depressives and emo kids.
It's a lose/lose/lose situation then. Y'know what? There's no pleasing everyone. Pick a greeting, stick with it, and if you catch shit have a short speech including these examples and why it is a trap.
Great, now I have a picture of a kid at Best Buy elbowing a lady in the face and crouching into fetal position yelling "IT'S A TRAP!" Yet, I cannot for the life of me figure out why what you said made me think of that. I really need to go home from work
Alternately, maybe you are just a massive douche who is trying to play the victim? I wasnt raised a Christian either, (I'm a Hindu) and I can't even conceive how it could be offensive for someone to wish me a Merry Christmas. How does someone hoping that I have an enjoyable Christmas in any way imply that they aren't respecting my rights as a Hindu or whatever? Maybe they're just being nice.
There are people in the world with real problems, and then there are those whose lives are so sheltered they have to try to create problems where there really are none...
totally agreed. I'm Buddhist and my future wife is Christian, and you know what? its not a big fucking deal if folks wish me happy holidays or merry christmas and while i' sure it could be an interesting debate...that thought just tires me...Evander, Go start a thread in debate and discourse, and Yod go join him, because this thread is for minced bunnies and other such amusement.
I spent a week at a friend's house last February, and mostly we watched Seinfeld DVDs. Ever since then for some reason my default 'goodbye' is "Take it easy!". I always feel like an idiot when I say it.
and Yod go join him, because this thread is for minced bunnies and other such amusement.
I'd just like to point out that my first reply was a page later than several other replies, and I only made 3. Also, I stopped when people asked. But you're right that should move to D&D.
It's raining cats and dogs here. Which sucks, because it's absolutely horrible working on cars in the rain, but also because it seems that the drain in my lot is clogged up - looks like I may be dealing with a flood soon.
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You know what pisses me off? "Have a good one." The fuck? Can't you at least look outside and tell if its evening/day/night/morning/the apocalypse?
That's the most common 'goodbye' saying I use, and I usually use it for people I know.
Its the most common goodbye around here too, and I have no idea why it gets on my nerves as much as it does.
It's possible its because I didn't think of it.
I did have one guy look at me funny about it. He kinda shrugged it off when he saw how sincere I was when I looked back at him, and saw that I wasn't just blowing him off.
You know what pisses me off? "Have a good one." The fuck? Can't you at least look outside and tell if its evening/day/night/morning/the apocalypse?
That used to be a catch all phrase for me. Why? Sometimes you're tired/busy/manic/doing 40 things at once, and get an odd look when you say "Have a great night!" and its 9am. Its just easier to NOT look retarded.
Also, sorry I started a religious battle. Crap on a stick.
You know what pisses me off? "Have a good one." The fuck? Can't you at least look outside and tell if its evening/day/night/morning/the apocalypse?
That's the most common 'goodbye' saying I use, and I usually use it for people I know.
Its the most common goodbye around here too, and I have no idea why it gets on my nerves as much as it does.
It's possible its because I didn't think of it.
I did have one guy look at me funny about it. He kinda shrugged it off when he saw how sincere I was when I looked back at him, and saw that I wasn't just blowing him off.
That's the perfect ending to a sentence.
fix'd for ya.
In other news, how do you start a fraud case for over $1000, lose the affidavit (which is THE piece of paper we need back to actually start the charge back process) and not call about it for 6 months? Thank god I'm an asshole and enjoy telling these fucks that because they were a lazy ass, theres nothing we can do to get the money back.
Edit: VA -> I was walked into a best buy and the door greater said "Good afternoon" followed by me going "Good morning." It was 8pm.
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Zen VulgarityWhat a lovely day for teaSecret British ThreadRegistered Userregular
edited January 2008
Holidays during the retail season is an awful experience I wish upon no one but the customers.
Some lady was literally screaming at the manager/employee that they didn't have a game in for Christmas that they jsut sold out of five minutes ago.
Christ.
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edited January 2008
Things Tom accomplished today:
1. Played three games of online risk with Co-Workers. Won two of them.
2. ........
Currently I work a shitty minimum wage job with a horrible manager, like most people here it seems, but my father-in-law has told me that he could get me on as an apprentice electrician with a company he knows.
I know nothing of this field, or of working in the trades generally. Well, I do know that I'll be making substantially more than the $9/hr I'm making now. But as for day-to-day life as an electrician's apprentice? No idea.
I'd kind of regret leaving Starbucks, since I like half of the staff, but the money is desperately needed.
Currently I work a shitty minimum wage job with a horrible manager, like most people here it seems, but my father-in-law has told me that he could get me on as an apprentice electrician with a company he knows.
I know nothing of this field, or of working in the trades generally. Well, I do know that I'll be making substantially more than the $9/hr I'm making now. But as for day-to-day life as an electrician's apprentice? No idea.
I'd kind of regret leaving Starbucks, since I like half of the staff, but the money is desperately needed.
I've been thinking of jumping into the electrician field for a while. I don't think anybody on this forum is or was an electrician though. I've only asked here in the Employee Lounge and I made a thread in H/A about it asking for what I would need to do, exactly, to jump into it. Nobody it on answering though. So I'm in the dark about what to do, aside from taking classes maybe.
But there was a guy I knew in California who was becoming an electrician just before I left the state. I don't think he was going to school. I think he only had to get some sort of certification for it before he could apprentice it.
Currently I work a shitty minimum wage job with a horrible manager, like most people here it seems, but my father-in-law has told me that he could get me on as an apprentice electrician with a company he knows.
I know nothing of this field, or of working in the trades generally. Well, I do know that I'll be making substantially more than the $9/hr I'm making now. But as for day-to-day life as an electrician's apprentice? No idea.
I'd kind of regret leaving Starbucks, since I like half of the staff, but the money is desperately needed.
Personally, I'd say take the electrician apprentice job. It's better money then you're making now and it's a skill that will serve you throughout life even if you decide you don't want to be an electrician. Knowing how to wire an outlet or hang a light fixture is a great thing.
Chances are as an apprentice you'll be doing a lot of running for wire/tools and fishing for and pulling cable, wiring simple stuff like outlets and light fixtures and clean up work after the job is done. Nothing that's likely to be too brain taxing. Also, limited contact with customers which is a huge plus in my book.
And as for being shocked, any electrician that does shit while the power is on deserves to be electrocuted. It only takes a few seconds to flip the breakers and make sure everything is safe.
Expect sparks! also my brother in law does electrical work, mostly putting like light and music controls in fancy homes, expect to be on you knees a lot (get pads) and be crawling through lots of little tight spaces, but the money is good and if you have a good boss like he does, its ok.
And as for being shocked, any electrician that does shit while the power is on deserves to be electrocuted. It only takes a few seconds to flip the breakers and make sure everything is safe.
If I were an electrician with an apprentice, I would make sure to "forget" to flip the breakers a few times, just so the kid knew who was boss.
Also, limited contact with customers which is a huge plus in my book.
Thank fucking god! I'm sick of customers after only 4 months at Starbucks. So fucking demanding and stupid.
I miss sitting in my office and writing and not having to deal with people.
I should clarify.
On some jobs you'll have little contact with customers, like wiring a new building or rewiring an office that's closed.
On other jobs you'll have the customer right over your shoulder breathing in your ear asking you what you're doing, like wiring in some new lights for people with nothing better to do then watch you work.
It really depends on what kind of electrical work you're doing.
Houk:
Yeah, but you'd be teaching the kid a valuable lesson about assuming the power was off. After the first few times through the skinner box I'd imagine he'd figure out to test the line before he put his fingers on a live wire.
And as for being shocked, any electrician that does shit while the power is on deserves to be electrocuted. It only takes a few seconds to flip the breakers and make sure everything is safe.
If I were an electrician with an apprentice, I would make sure to "forget" to flip the breakers a few times, just so the kid knew who was boss.
I would make a horrible boss.
So how do you teach the new kids at your job who's boss? I imagine giving them something really profane and offensive to translate, or maybe just start them off in the hentai dating sim division (though that seems to amount to the same thing)
Apprenticeships where I'm from are about 4 years in length, so if you are up for that then I say take it. Just hope you don't have a prick for your boss who tries to burn you
And as for being shocked, any electrician that does shit while the power is on deserves to be electrocuted. It only takes a few seconds to flip the breakers and make sure everything is safe.
If I were an electrician with an apprentice, I would make sure to "forget" to flip the breakers a few times, just so the kid knew who was boss.
I would make a horrible boss.
So how do you teach the new kids at your job who's boss? I imagine giving them something really profane and offensive to translate, or maybe just start them off in the hentai dating sim division (though that seems to amount to the same thing)
I wish. I don't get to be anyone's boss here. Well, except the testers, but they get nothing but quiet disdain anyway.
Wait, being a game tester is not a dream job!?!?!? This ruins my whole career path!!
Seriously though, does everyone at game companies with a "real job" hate testers, or just pity them?
Wait, being a game tester is not a dream job!?!?!? This ruins my whole career path!!
Seriously though, does everyone at game companies with a "real job" hate testers, or just pity them?
Depends on the tester. Most of them we pity, a few of them we hate, and when the moon is full and Venus descends below Mars, we find one whose company we genuinely enjoy.
Wait, being a game tester is not a dream job!?!?!? This ruins my whole career path!!
Seriously though, does everyone at game companies with a "real job" hate testers, or just pity them?
Depends on the tester. Most of them we pity, a few of them we hate, and when the moon is full and Venus descends below Mars, we find one whose company we genuinely enjoy.
Then they beat him to death with a sack full of bad games, devour his flesh and leave his skull atop a pike as a warning to all the other testers as to what happens if you get too friendly with the important people.
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edited January 2008
Software testing isn't a job for those with a thin skin. Programers will hate you because you tell them they made mistakes. Tech support will hate you for not being perfect or for when you show them up for being lazy. Marketing will hate you for fucking up deadlines.
And as for being shocked, any electrician that does shit while the power is on deserves to be electrocuted. It only takes a few seconds to flip the breakers and make sure everything is safe.
If I were an electrician with an apprentice, I would make sure to "forget" to flip the breakers a few times, just so the kid knew who was boss.
Software testing isn't a job for those with a thin skin. Programers will hate you because you tell them they made mistakes. Tech support will hate you for not being perfect or for when you show them up for being lazy. Marketing will hate you for fucking up deadlines.
And if you're a know-it-all fanboy who doesn't know shit and is allergic to soap, everyone will hate you.
My brother-in-law is an apprentice electrician, and he loves it. Downsides are that it's one of those physical jobs where you're in a weird position for hours at a time, like say you're wiring the lights in the ceiling, you're either on a ladder or above the ceiling tiles on your knees.
Upside is you have oodles of job security. I'd say go for it, as long as you realize it's a long-haul job with years as an apprentice before you start really making money.
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The Black HunterThe key is a minimum of compromise, and a simple,unimpeachable reason to existRegistered Userregular
edited January 2008
My mum's friend is an elevator electrician.
For reference, he has a yacht, a speedboat, a 1970 Corvette stingray, a 1940's de sotto and a beach house
And 2 investment houses
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Software testing isn't a job for those with a thin skin. Programers will hate you because you tell them they made mistakes. Tech support will hate you for not being perfect or for when you show them up for being lazy. Marketing will hate you for fucking up deadlines.
And if you're a know-it-all fanboy who doesn't know shit and is allergic to soap, everyone will hate you.
It also helps if you aren't working in the gaming industry. So many people want gaming Q&A jobs that it really allows the companies to treat their testers like shit.
Currently I work a shitty minimum wage job with a horrible manager, like most people here it seems, but my father-in-law has told me that he could get me on as an apprentice electrician with a company he knows.
I know nothing of this field, or of working in the trades generally. Well, I do know that I'll be making substantially more than the $9/hr I'm making now. But as for day-to-day life as an electrician's apprentice? No idea.
I'd kind of regret leaving Starbucks, since I like half of the staff, but the money is desperately needed.
Do it. I work in construction management and one thing I have realized is learning a trade is a good thing. It's a great skill to have and one that will always be in demand.
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It's a lose/lose/lose situation then. Y'know what? There's no pleasing everyone. Pick a greeting, stick with it, and if you catch shit have a short speech including these examples and why it is a trap.
Hey, you're talking like upsetting emo kids is a bad thing...
Anyway, that's why I don't feel like a hypocrite when I say "Happy Holidays". I'm not saying it to be politically correct. I'm saying it to include a "time of holidays" instead of one particular holiday. Obviously, on Christmas day, I say Merry Christmas, but that's with family only.
Also, one of my recent jobs I had to work with and for some jews. I had no problems with any of them, great coworkers and bosses and all. Half of them would wish us a Merry Christmas, and we'd have an office Christmas party every year. Others would say Happy Holidays, but there was no hint of obvious political-correctness, just a kind of general sensitivity. And probably out of laziness, as well, as you can say "happy holidays" and it covers any and all religious (or not!) holidays during the period.
I remember when I was working at my parents' store one night, probably 10 years ago or so, I casually asked some guy what he and his family were going to be doing for some common holiday (either Christmas or Easter, I'm not sure) and he replied drily (and in a slightly offended tone) that he and his family didn't celebrate any of those pagan holidays. He even went into detail about how all those supposedly religious holidays were just adaptations from pagan holidays to justify himself (he's right about the adaptation part, anyway) So I deduced he must be either some kind of Jehovah's Witness or maybe a particularly militant Atheist (although his use of the word "pagan" almost precludes that), and just shut up, except for asking the necessary questions to complete the transaction.
Afterwards, I couldn't help but think of his poor children, having to watch all their friends get all sorts of cool stuff (be it presents or chocolate...) and then getting nothing themselves. And I knew that guy had at least a couple of young children.
See, it's the ones who take religion seriously (whether it's as believers or as extremist atheists) who are at the root of the problem. Everyone else is getting on really well, in general.
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Great, now I have a picture of a kid at Best Buy elbowing a lady in the face and crouching into fetal position yelling "IT'S A TRAP!" Yet, I cannot for the life of me figure out why what you said made me think of that. I really need to go home from work
totally agreed. I'm Buddhist and my future wife is Christian, and you know what? its not a big fucking deal if folks wish me happy holidays or merry christmas and while i' sure it could be an interesting debate...that thought just tires me...Evander, Go start a thread in debate and discourse, and Yod go join him, because this thread is for minced bunnies and other such amusement.
That's the most common 'goodbye' saying I use, and I usually use it for people I know.
Its the most common goodbye around here too, and I have no idea why it gets on my nerves as much as it does.
It's possible its because I didn't think of it.
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I'd just like to point out that my first reply was a page later than several other replies, and I only made 3. Also, I stopped when people asked. But you're right that should move to D&D.
It's raining cats and dogs here. Which sucks, because it's absolutely horrible working on cars in the rain, but also because it seems that the drain in my lot is clogged up - looks like I may be dealing with a flood soon.
I did have one guy look at me funny about it. He kinda shrugged it off when he saw how sincere I was when I looked back at him, and saw that I wasn't just blowing him off.
That's an awkward ending to a sentence.
That used to be a catch all phrase for me. Why? Sometimes you're tired/busy/manic/doing 40 things at once, and get an odd look when you say "Have a great night!" and its 9am. Its just easier to NOT look retarded.
Also, sorry I started a religious battle. Crap on a stick.
fix'd for ya.
In other news, how do you start a fraud case for over $1000, lose the affidavit (which is THE piece of paper we need back to actually start the charge back process) and not call about it for 6 months? Thank god I'm an asshole and enjoy telling these fucks that because they were a lazy ass, theres nothing we can do to get the money back.
Edit: VA -> I was walked into a best buy and the door greater said "Good afternoon" followed by me going "Good morning." It was 8pm.
Some lady was literally screaming at the manager/employee that they didn't have a game in for Christmas that they jsut sold out of five minutes ago.
Christ.
1. Played three games of online risk with Co-Workers. Won two of them.
2. ........
Currently I work a shitty minimum wage job with a horrible manager, like most people here it seems, but my father-in-law has told me that he could get me on as an apprentice electrician with a company he knows.
I know nothing of this field, or of working in the trades generally. Well, I do know that I'll be making substantially more than the $9/hr I'm making now. But as for day-to-day life as an electrician's apprentice? No idea.
I'd kind of regret leaving Starbucks, since I like half of the staff, but the money is desperately needed.
I've been thinking of jumping into the electrician field for a while. I don't think anybody on this forum is or was an electrician though. I've only asked here in the Employee Lounge and I made a thread in H/A about it asking for what I would need to do, exactly, to jump into it. Nobody it on answering though. So I'm in the dark about what to do, aside from taking classes maybe.
But there was a guy I knew in California who was becoming an electrician just before I left the state. I don't think he was going to school. I think he only had to get some sort of certification for it before he could apprentice it.
There's a union for electricians, by the way.
Chances are as an apprentice you'll be doing a lot of running for wire/tools and fishing for and pulling cable, wiring simple stuff like outlets and light fixtures and clean up work after the job is done. Nothing that's likely to be too brain taxing. Also, limited contact with customers which is a huge plus in my book.
And as for being shocked, any electrician that does shit while the power is on deserves to be electrocuted. It only takes a few seconds to flip the breakers and make sure everything is safe.
Thank fucking god! I'm sick of customers after only 4 months at Starbucks. So fucking demanding and stupid.
I miss sitting in my office and writing and not having to deal with people.
I would make a horrible boss.
On some jobs you'll have little contact with customers, like wiring a new building or rewiring an office that's closed.
On other jobs you'll have the customer right over your shoulder breathing in your ear asking you what you're doing, like wiring in some new lights for people with nothing better to do then watch you work.
It really depends on what kind of electrical work you're doing.
Houk:
Yeah, but you'd be teaching the kid a valuable lesson about assuming the power was off. After the first few times through the skinner box I'd imagine he'd figure out to test the line before he put his fingers on a live wire.
So how do you teach the new kids at your job who's boss? I imagine giving them something really profane and offensive to translate, or maybe just start them off in the hentai dating sim division (though that seems to amount to the same thing)
You only get electrocuted once.
Seriously though, does everyone at game companies with a "real job" hate testers, or just pity them?
Right you would be.
My brother-in-law is an apprentice electrician, and he loves it. Downsides are that it's one of those physical jobs where you're in a weird position for hours at a time, like say you're wiring the lights in the ceiling, you're either on a ladder or above the ceiling tiles on your knees.
Upside is you have oodles of job security. I'd say go for it, as long as you realize it's a long-haul job with years as an apprentice before you start really making money.
For reference, he has a yacht, a speedboat, a 1970 Corvette stingray, a 1940's de sotto and a beach house
And 2 investment houses
It also helps if you aren't working in the gaming industry. So many people want gaming Q&A jobs that it really allows the companies to treat their testers like shit.
seems as though i am in the wrong line of work.
Do it. I work in construction management and one thing I have realized is learning a trade is a good thing. It's a great skill to have and one that will always be in demand.
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