I want to see an armory link too. Those numbers just don't seem right. And I agree with Jim, ret is a good grinding/farming build. If you can snag a good 2her and enough crit you can destroy things in only a few blows. Which is good, since you won't have a ton of mana >.>
edit: They really need to change the first tier of prot talents. Both of those blow for anyone who isn't prot, but wants that +hit talent.
for a ret paladin, sanc completely dominates ret aura
in my mind they really need to move ret aura to prot, and move anything (anything!) to tier 1 prot so ret paladins don't have to get redoubt for precision
I want to see an armory link too. Those numbers just don't seem right. And I agree with Jim, ret is a good grinding/farming build. If you can snag a good 2her and enough crit you can destroy things in only a few blows. Which is good, since you won't have a ton of mana >.>
edit: They really need to change the first tier of prot talents. Both of those blow for anyone who isn't prot, but wants that +hit talent.
They also blow for people who are prot and are 70.
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I want to see an armory link too. Those numbers just don't seem right. And I agree with Jim, ret is a good grinding/farming build. If you can snag a good 2her and enough crit you can destroy things in only a few blows. Which is good, since you won't have a ton of mana >.>
edit: They really need to change the first tier of prot talents. Both of those blow for anyone who isn't prot, but wants that +hit talent.
They also blow for people who are prot and are 70.
I don't know, I kinda like Redoubt. It can sometimes help to close the uncrushable gap on some fights, between Holy Shield's duration and cooldown.
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I want to see an armory link too. Those numbers just don't seem right. And I agree with Jim, ret is a good grinding/farming build. If you can snag a good 2her and enough crit you can destroy things in only a few blows. Which is good, since you won't have a ton of mana >.>
edit: They really need to change the first tier of prot talents. Both of those blow for anyone who isn't prot, but wants that +hit talent.
They also blow for people who are prot and are 70.
I don't know, I kinda like Redoubt. It can sometimes help to close the uncrushable gap on some fights, between Holy Shield's duration and cooldown.
That's a very small gap and one that you just never seem to get lucky and have redoubt cover.
Could some kind individual show me that macro that one-clicks the whole Righteous Defense procedure? I'm loving the Prot-Paladin tanking that you fine chaps recommended to me a while back, but dealing with those squishies and their ability to massively over-nuke is stressful (find the moron who did it out of the roster on the left, click them, hit trusty #8 for Righteous Defense, click back on thing you were tanking, repeat, repeat, repeat = teh sucky)
Had the good fortune of logging on today 2 seconds before some people in guild asked for a tank for normal SL. Relogged and tanked the place, went super smooth. I got a nice shield from Hellmaw and the bracers from the quest reward.
I'm up to 478 defence now, with 9700 unbuffed hp, 16% parry, 12% dodge and about 8% block. I'm almost starting to feel like a real tank, just need to get my hands on the gladiator mace and 4000 more CoT rep.
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Could some kind individual show me that macro that one-clicks the whole Righteous Defense procedure? I'm loving the Prot-Paladin tanking that you fine chaps recommended to me a while back, but dealing with those squishies and their ability to massively over-nuke is stressful (find the moron who did it out of the roster on the left, click them, hit trusty #8 for Righteous Defense, click back on thing you were tanking, repeat, repeat, repeat = teh sucky)
Could some kind individual show me that macro that one-clicks the whole Righteous Defense procedure? I'm loving the Prot-Paladin tanking that you fine chaps recommended to me a while back, but dealing with those squishies and their ability to massively over-nuke is stressful (find the moron who did it out of the roster on the left, click them, hit trusty #8 for Righteous Defense, click back on thing you were tanking, repeat, repeat, repeat = teh sucky)
better way is to hit righteous defense then click on the person.
But still not as good as macro-taunting on the mob itself, as you still have to find the person who aggroed and aim for them or their name to click on.
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But still not as good as macro-taunting on the mob itself, as you still have to find the person who aggroed and aim for them or their name to click on.
target of target will show who aggroed
you can hit your hotkey for RD (mine is Z) and then click on their portrait in the Target of Target window.
all without ever breaking your tank target
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But still not as good as macro-taunting on the mob itself, as you still have to find the person who aggroed and aim for them or their name to click on.
target of target will show who aggroed
you can hit your hotkey for RD (mine is Z) and then click on their portrait in the Target of Target window.
all without ever breaking your tank target
Or you can use a target of target macro and save the click. 8-)
The idea being that I can target a mob or player, or keep my target and mouse-over another mob or player and it will taunt the mob I need. Not sure how it will go in practice, I'll have to be careful of my mouse positioning, but does it look like it will at least work the way I intend? Never been able to wrap my head around this stuff particularly well.
Balance. Talents that are useless for everything are one thing (eg: improved ret aura), Vindication is not useless.
Is Vindication somehow even a remotely desired talent for raiding? For 5-mans?
The goal of talent design ought to be to make as many talents as possible, very desirable for both pve and pvp. Adding some better effect for pve to vindication, that does not improve it for pvp, seems like a reasonable way to go.
Good for tankin Kara? And how far from ZA? I realize that the shield is terrible, but I haven't had any luck, so I'm going to snag the badge reward or Sha'tar rep shield, but aside from that, Close to tankin' Kara?
Edit: Also, those bad gems are temporary. At least the ones in the epics.
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Good for tankin Kara? And how far from ZA? I realize that the shield is terrible, but I haven't had any luck, so I'm going to snag the badge reward or Sha'tar rep shield, but aside from that, Close to tankin' Kara?
Edit: Also, those bad gems are temporary. At least the ones in the epics.
Drop PoJ, finish off shield spec, and finish off 1hws.
You're fine for Kara, a little on the squishy side for ZA.
Good for tankin Kara? And how far from ZA? I realize that the shield is terrible, but I haven't had any luck, so I'm going to snag the badge reward or Sha'tar rep shield, but aside from that, Close to tankin' Kara?
Edit: Also, those bad gems are temporary. At least the ones in the epics.
Drop PoJ, finish off shield spec, and finish off 1hws.
You're fine for Kara, a little on the squishy side for ZA.
Yeah, I forgot to finish off Shield spec while respeccing.
Ended up with some spare points and I thought "Weird. I'll grab PoJ!"
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Good for tankin Kara? And how far from ZA? I realize that the shield is terrible, but I haven't had any luck, so I'm going to snag the badge reward or Sha'tar rep shield, but aside from that, Close to tankin' Kara?
Edit: Also, those bad gems are temporary. At least the ones in the epics.
Drop PoJ, finish off shield spec, and finish off 1hws.
You're fine for Kara, a little on the squishy side for ZA.
Yeah, I forgot to finish off Shield spec while respeccing.
Ended up with some spare points and I thought "Weird. I'll grab PoJ!"
If you really want a little PoJ you can drop BoK and put a point in it.
Good for tankin Kara? And how far from ZA? I realize that the shield is terrible, but I haven't had any luck, so I'm going to snag the badge reward or Sha'tar rep shield, but aside from that, Close to tankin' Kara?
Edit: Also, those bad gems are temporary. At least the ones in the epics.
You're a good way from uncrushable yet, which means MTing is probably not a great idea, but you're very well set to OT. Gotta get that block rating up.
15% armour reduction along with the stats reduction would be so overpowered. Especially for something that's applied passively.
Even with decked out warriors or druids, they will probably have 12k armor maybe?
15% of that is only 1800 armor reduction.
Rogues' expose armor reduce armor by 2020.
Plus it won't affect clothies as much.
It is not overpowered.
Armour pen hurts clothies even more. I can expose armour a caster and leave them with 0% damage reduction, they will drop fast.
Ret Paladins are more then good enough in pvp as it is, I don't understand why they'd need a single buff.
Taking away 15 PERCENT of armor CANNOT reduce you 0% damage reduction by definition. It is mathimatically impossible. This is the reason for percentages. They hit those with little.....very little.
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edit: They really need to change the first tier of prot talents. Both of those blow for anyone who isn't prot, but wants that +hit talent.
Armory link http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Rexxar&n=Narath
It showing me in a random assortment of gear right now, but I just logged out with new talents and full ret gear.
in my mind they really need to move ret aura to prot, and move anything (anything!) to tier 1 prot so ret paladins don't have to get redoubt for precision
They also blow for people who are prot and are 70.
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I don't know, I kinda like Redoubt. It can sometimes help to close the uncrushable gap on some fights, between Holy Shield's duration and cooldown.
That's a very small gap and one that you just never seem to get lucky and have redoubt cover.
Could some kind individual show me that macro that one-clicks the whole Righteous Defense procedure? I'm loving the Prot-Paladin tanking that you fine chaps recommended to me a while back, but dealing with those squishies and their ability to massively over-nuke is stressful
I'm up to 478 defence now, with 9700 unbuffed hp, 16% parry, 12% dodge and about 8% block. I'm almost starting to feel like a real tank, just need to get my hands on the gladiator mace and 4000 more CoT rep.
/cast [help] Righteous Defense; [target=targettarget, help] Righteous Defense
better way is to hit righteous defense then click on the person.
target of target will show who aggroed
you can hit your hotkey for RD (mine is Z) and then click on their portrait in the Target of Target window.
all without ever breaking your tank target
Or you can use a target of target macro and save the click. 8-)
/cast [help] Righteous Defense; [target=mouseovertarget,exists,help] Righteous Defense [target=mouseover,exists,help] Righteous Defense; [target=targettarget,exists,help] Righteous Defense
The idea being that I can target a mob or player, or keep my target and mouse-over another mob or player and it will taunt the mob I need. Not sure how it will go in practice, I'll have to be careful of my mouse positioning, but does it look like it will at least work the way I intend? Never been able to wrap my head around this stuff particularly well.
And obviously only the 15% armor reduction will apply to raid bosses.
This should help ret pallies in raid and arena.
I dislike all talents that are focused solely on either pvp or pve.
QFT
That's nice, they're there regardless.
Yup.
This is true, but also not in any way a valid reason not to end that practice.
Balance. Talents that are useless for everything are one thing (eg: improved ret aura), Vindication is not useless.
Even with decked out warriors or druids, they will probably have 12k armor maybe?
15% of that is only 1800 armor reduction.
Rogues' expose armor reduce armor by 2020.
Plus it won't affect clothies as much.
It is not overpowered.
Is Vindication somehow even a remotely desired talent for raiding? For 5-mans?
The goal of talent design ought to be to make as many talents as possible, very desirable for both pve and pvp. Adding some better effect for pve to vindication, that does not improve it for pvp, seems like a reasonable way to go.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Sargeras&n=Vantha
Good for tankin Kara? And how far from ZA? I realize that the shield is terrible, but I haven't had any luck, so I'm going to snag the badge reward or Sha'tar rep shield, but aside from that, Close to tankin' Kara?
Edit: Also, those bad gems are temporary. At least the ones in the epics.
Drop PoJ, finish off shield spec, and finish off 1hws.
You're fine for Kara, a little on the squishy side for ZA.
I think I'll be uncrushable when I gem/enchant my helm hooray
First you OT. Then you MT. Then you solo tank Kara.
Armour pen hurts clothies even more. I can expose armour a caster and leave them with 0% damage reduction, they will drop fast.
Ret Paladins are more then good enough in pvp as it is, I don't understand why they'd need a single buff.
Ended up with some spare points and I thought "Weird. I'll grab PoJ!"
If you really want a little PoJ you can drop BoK and put a point in it.
This wouldn't be armor penetration, it'd be a 15% reduction in armor. So a clothie might lose 450 armor.
http://armory.worldofwarcraft.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Bonechewer&n=Billbrasky
You're a good way from uncrushable yet, which means MTing is probably not a great idea, but you're very well set to OT. Gotta get that block rating up.
Taking away 15 PERCENT of armor CANNOT reduce you 0% damage reduction by definition. It is mathimatically impossible. This is the reason for percentages. They hit those with little.....very little.
Fact remains its still an unnecessary buff.