shadow priest, frost mage, and enhancement shaman are all really strong in 2s with ret, in 3s another good combo is ret/enhance/holy paladin or ret/enhance/resto druid
but 3s has a lot more variety, you can run near anything as long as your second dps has heavy burst
I'd like to try a ret/enhance/warrior burst team in 3s but I don't know how that would work with only one BoF
I've had some decent success with a resto shaman in 2v2s. He focuses on healing me and shocking heals, I WTFPWN somebody. We have pretty good survivability, but no CC.
So I hear prot sorta sucks in comparison with ret in early outlands. At what point does it go back to being awesome? Keep in mind I do a lot of soloing. I was thinking about respeccing prot at 60, but if it's going to end up slowing me down, I might just stick with ret until 70.
EDIT: "sucks" might be a bit harsh. What I meant was that I was told ret will out perform prot in solo cases during the first half or so of outlands.
Eh everyone told me that but I'm 62 and still prot. It has not been EASY, I'm sure ret would be faster, but I like being able to round things up and also tank instances, so I'm sticking with it for now. If you don't ever want to tank while leveling it's probably not worth trying though.
It's not that I don't want to tank. I do. I just hate PUG's to the point of refusing to do them. And none of my guildies have any alt's in the same level range.
It's not that I don't want to tank. I do. I just hate PUG's to the point of refusing to do them. And none of my guildies have any alt's in the same level range.
Tanking is pretty much the only way I'm not horribly terrified at the prospect of doing a pug. I find slow-pacing of a pug to consistently be my biggest gripe, and the tank can control that. It also means you don't get treated like shit, as the dps can be.
It's not that I don't want to tank. I do. I just hate PUG's to the point of refusing to do them. And none of my guildies have any alt's in the same level range.
Tanking is pretty much the only way I'm not horribly terrified at the prospect of doing a pug. I find slow-pacing of a pug to consistently be my biggest gripe, and the tank can control that. It also means you don't get treated like shit, as the dps can be.
This. You're pretty much in control, especially if you start the pug. If you happen to find a decent healer, friends list him, he'll probably run things with you again, and then it doesn't matter what retarded DPS you bring really. And if they're too retarded you can always kick them out. You're the tank, after all, they're nothing without you! etc.
It's not that I don't want to tank. I do. I just hate PUG's to the point of refusing to do them. And none of my guildies have any alt's in the same level range.
Tanking is pretty much the only way I'm not horribly terrified at the prospect of doing a pug. I find slow-pacing of a pug to consistently be my biggest gripe, and the tank can control that. It also means you don't get treated like shit, as the dps can be.
People tend to put up with stupid tanks more than stupid DPS. Which is my paladin is full of sparkles, so I can razzle dazzle the group to victory.
It's not that I don't want to tank. I do. I just hate PUG's to the point of refusing to do them. And none of my guildies have any alt's in the same level range.
Tanking is pretty much the only way I'm not horribly terrified at the prospect of doing a pug. I find slow-pacing of a pug to consistently be my biggest gripe, and the tank can control that. It also means you don't get treated like shit, as the dps can be.
This. You're pretty much in control, especially if you start the pug. If you happen to find a decent healer, friends list him, he'll probably run things with you again, and then it doesn't matter what retarded DPS you bring really. And if they're too retarded you can always kick them out. You're the tank, after all, they're nothing without you! etc.
I've been trying to get my friend to respec his druid to resto when he hits outlands. He's about 10 or so levels behind me, so it wouldn't take too long to catch up.
It's not that I don't want to tank. I do. I just hate PUG's to the point of refusing to do them. And none of my guildies have any alt's in the same level range.
Tanking is pretty much the only way I'm not horribly terrified at the prospect of doing a pug. I find slow-pacing of a pug to consistently be my biggest gripe, and the tank can control that. It also means you don't get treated like shit, as the dps can be.
This. You're pretty much in control, especially if you start the pug. If you happen to find a decent healer, friends list him, he'll probably run things with you again, and then it doesn't matter what retarded DPS you bring really. And if they're too retarded you can always kick them out. You're the tank, after all, they're nothing without you! etc.
It's not that I don't want to tank. I do. I just hate PUG's to the point of refusing to do them. And none of my guildies have any alt's in the same level range.
Tanking is pretty much the only way I'm not horribly terrified at the prospect of doing a pug. I find slow-pacing of a pug to consistently be my biggest gripe, and the tank can control that. It also means you don't get treated like shit, as the dps can be.
People tend to put up with stupid tanks more than stupid DPS. Which is my paladin is full of sparkles, so I can razzle dazzle the group to victory.
Exactly, it's just like Riz said, tanks have much of the power in the 5 mans. This is great, if I'm the tank, and it's terrible if I'm not and the tank is retarded.
I was in Mana Tombs on my hunter. We got to the point where everyone would be ready, full on mana etc for a pull, hell I think all the targets were marked as well(and marking every target is unnecessary), and the tank still waited to pull. I suggested that we might want to go faster. The tank tells me that no, if anything we were going too fast, and that if I wanted to go faster I should find another group and said "You got a problem with that?"
:x
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not to mention that most healers like being able to focus on one person and just chain-heals. With a paladin tank, everything is going to be on you, so they get a fairly easy ride, and don't have to a) stress about getting heal aggro while a warrior is trying to multi-tank or b) having to heal some clothie against an MSing mob
and i would strongly advise you to level Prot if you want to tank at 70. there are a lot of subtle things that you need to know that can't be told to you.
things like:
Always making sure you have no mobs behind you. I'm sure you can do this while tanking 1-2 mobs, but can you do it while tanking six?
Good places to LoS. Can you look at a pull and quickly and easily find a way to LoS it? Some instances are better for this than others, but all require it in some form.
There are others, but thats the kind of thing I can think of. And its all stuff you'll pick up while tanking on your way to 70, and then you won't have to be an inexperienced level 70 tank. You'll be able to apply to guilds or whatever with the full knowledge that you can tank better than half of the tanks they have already, gear notwithstanding.
the warrior 2.4 breastplate is an upgrade over my panzathar, but I'm pretty meh about a chest upgrade at this point
the 2.3 paladin chest is superior to both of the 2.4 ones
Can you explain why? I'm a bit lost, and my server is definitely gonna unlock the armory tomorrow. And if I spend a bunch of badges I could've spent on that new 2hand axe for my arena/BGs, where I spec ret.
The thing is I'm looking for some new gear. At the moment I have the 2.3 badge legs, chest and the kara chess boots (battlescar). I have enough badges to replace all of them. I'll have over 490 defense, and a lot of avoidance and so I can easily swap out old existing defense/avoidance gems for pure stamina. So in effect, I'll have a lot more hp than I do now and still stay at the same avoidance/defense rate if not more than before. I'll also have a boost in spell damage but at the cost of block value from the unwavering legs.
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the warrior 2.4 breastplate is an upgrade over my panzathar, but I'm pretty meh about a chest upgrade at this point
the 2.3 paladin chest is superior to both of the 2.4 ones
Can you explain why? I'm a bit lost, and my server is definitely gonna unlock the armory tomorrow. And if I spend a bunch of badges I could've spent on that new 2hand axe for my arena/BGs, where I spec ret.
The thing is I'm looking for some new gear. At the moment I have the 2.3 badge legs, chest and the kara chess boots (battlescar). I have enough badges to replace all of them. I'll have over 490 defense, and a lot of avoidance and so I can easily swap out old existing defense/avoidance gems for pure stamina. So in effect, I'll have a lot more hp than I do now and still stay at the same avoidance/defense rate if not more than before. I'll also have a boost in spell damage but at the cost of block value from the unwavering legs.
They both have less gemmed stamina, due to 1 socket instead of 3.
The Shattrath Protectorate's Breastplate has hardly any defense, too much spell hit. The spell damage is nice but its really too much, and means the thing has almost no avoidance.
The Chestplate of Stoicism is nice, but it also has less gemmed stamina, less pure dodge. About the only advantage is that it has a HUGE amount of defense allowing you to swap some pieces out. It is still a worthy item to buy, but the 2.3 chest is a better item for your usual tank set. Its a more well-rounded piece.
Also, don't buy the 2.4 badge boots.
They suck.
Same deal as before. They have spell hit which is largely useless, at least not worth going for specifically. they have very low defense. They have shield block rating, which, while it helps towards getting uncrushability, is far inferior to dodge, because its mitigation and not avoidance. the 2.3 badge boots, assuming you can get uncrushable without them, are much better.
as a general guide, pretty much the only truly awesome 2.4 items are the Inscribed Legplates of the Aldor, and the tank ring (if you can spare the defense). The warrior-style Chestplate of Stoicism isn't bad, and is worth picking up for a set where you're hurting for defense, such as if you need to wear resistance gear for a fight, but its not worth picking up until you have the other two pieces.
The worthwhile pieces to get from 2.3 badge rewards are now, in this order, Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian, Slikk's Cloak of Placation, Girdle of the Protector (unless you get Belt of the Guardian made), and Sabatons of the Righteous Defender. If you're not an engineer, the Faceguard of Determination is a worthy purchase also.
Well, the only 2.3 badge gear I dont have at the moment is my boots - which is the battlescar, which parry rating. I dunno, my plan was to buy the new chest, legs and boots. But since the boots arent so great..why the hell are they putting spell hit on these items? I'll probably buy the ring over the boots and probably swap the battlescar for 2.3 boots too.
Yay, one of my buddies had a Kang the Decapitator on his bank alt. And he gave it to me.
He also had a Brain Hacker, but I decided that would be too close to outlands levels to be usefull.
Any instances drop good ret gear in the 40-45 range?
I "DPSed" a Blood Furnace run last night cos I was going to tank but then my MT friend offered to come along. Haha prot DPS. I need a two-hander that's not iLevel 45 I think....
I "DPSed" a Blood Furnace run last night cos I was going to tank but then my MT friend offered to come along. Haha prot DPS. I need a two-hander that's not iLevel 45 I think....
Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
edited April 2008
then yeah, you're fucked
its nice as a blood elf.
i can get MOST of the benefits of being Ret while soloing as long as i have a big 2hander (Despair is what I use) and a decent ret set (1500ap unbuffed). Just do seal of blood and autoattack. I lose out on a lot of passive and active crit, and Crusader Strike, but its not too bad.
Okay, after one night in Hyjal and a Rage kill, my guild is seriously lamenting the lack of a prot paladin in our raid. I'm a pretty decked out Retadin, but I had already decided that I was going to switch to prot for the next expansion. Doing it now while starting T6 content works too I guess, but I'm pretty far behind the gear curve.
How far? Very. I don't even have gear I'm comfortable tanking heroics with. The only piece I have now that I can use is the Amani Punisher. I have blue legs, chest, and wrists that don't completely suck. If I buckle down, I should be able to get the SSO exalted shield in a week or two.
We clear 5/6 SSC and 3/4 TK (alternating every other week, with Magtheridon done on TK nights). I can get in on a Kara badge run on Friday nights. I'm a 375 BS, and have access to the T5 boots and belt patterns. I'm revered with Aldor and honored or revered with just about everyone else. I have 39 badges in the bank.
So, what do I start with? What essential items can I get from 5mans? Any must haves from Kara? How many pieces of T4 or T5 do I need? I plan on cruising around the maintankadin forums, but I thought there might be some practical advice you guys secretly horde.
I tried my first instance today. I got invited to tank a normal Steamvaults run.
This did not end well. Hell, it didn't even start well.
On the second pull I was feared into a bog lord and we wiped. After rez, I pulled the bog lord, didn't get a heal, and we wiped. The group all quit or dc'd, but not before telling me I should have 12K health unbuffed. I'm sitting in Netherstorm quest greens, so I'm around 7.5K right now.
12K seems a little high for normal Steamvaults. I thought I read 13K for Kara. Seems like a catch-22. I can't tank instances to get gear because I don't have the right gear to tank.
I tried my first instance today. I got invited to tank a normal Steamvaults run.
This did not end well. Hell, it didn't even start well.
On the second pull I was feared into a bog lord and we wiped. After rez, I pulled the bog lord, didn't get a heal, and we wiped. The group all quit or dc'd, but not before telling me I should have 12K health unbuffed. I'm sitting in Netherstorm quest greens, so I'm around 7.5K right now.
12K seems a little high for normal Steamvaults. I thought I read 13K for Kara. Seems like a catch-22. I can't tank instances to get gear because I don't have the right gear to tank.
Any suggestions?
12k is a little high but your stamina is still a little low. Mind posting your armory? We can suggest items that don't require instances or good targets.
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Dhalphirdon't you open that trapdooryou're a fool if you dareRegistered Userregular
I tried my first instance today. I got invited to tank a normal Steamvaults run.
This did not end well. Hell, it didn't even start well.
On the second pull I was feared into a bog lord and we wiped. After rez, I pulled the bog lord, didn't get a heal, and we wiped. The group all quit or dc'd, but not before telling me I should have 12K health unbuffed. I'm sitting in Netherstorm quest greens, so I'm around 7.5K right now.
12K seems a little high for normal Steamvaults. I thought I read 13K for Kara. Seems like a catch-22. I can't tank instances to get gear because I don't have the right gear to tank.
Any suggestions?
12k is a little high but your stamina is still a little low. Mind posting your armory? We can turn you into a walking god
I soloed to 70 because I'm 13 hours ahead of server time and finding groups on weekdays is impossible. I haven't stepped in an instance after Blood Furnace more than once.
Edit: Armory is now current.
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I soloed to 70 because I'm 13 hours ahead of server time and finding groups on weekdays is impossible. I haven't stepped in an instance after Blood Furnace more than once.
Next question so we can point you in the right direction.
Reading my own responses has forced me to come to grips with my own nubness.
I have about 500g and one badge that I got from one of the new daily quests. I've basically just been working on quests to earn money to some day buy my epic flying skill. Before I stopped playing the only way I knew to get badges were to run Kara, but now if I understand correctly they drop in heroics as well.
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Reading my own responses has forced me to come to grips with my own nubness.
I have about 500g and one badge that I got from one of the new daily quests. I've basically just been working on quests to earn money to some day buy my epic flying skill. Before I stopped playing the only way I knew to get badges were to run Kara, but now if I understand correctly they drop in heroics as well.
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the 2.3 paladin chest is superior to both of the 2.4 ones
I prefer the BV to the spelldamage at this point 'cause I'm not really hurting for threat
If you want to play League of Legends, here is my refer a friend: So I get points
but 3s has a lot more variety, you can run near anything as long as your second dps has heavy burst
I'd like to try a ret/enhance/warrior burst team in 3s but I don't know how that would work with only one BoF
EDIT: "sucks" might be a bit harsh. What I meant was that I was told ret will out perform prot in solo cases during the first half or so of outlands.
Tanking is pretty much the only way I'm not horribly terrified at the prospect of doing a pug. I find slow-pacing of a pug to consistently be my biggest gripe, and the tank can control that. It also means you don't get treated like shit, as the dps can be.
This. You're pretty much in control, especially if you start the pug. If you happen to find a decent healer, friends list him, he'll probably run things with you again, and then it doesn't matter what retarded DPS you bring really. And if they're too retarded you can always kick them out. You're the tank, after all, they're nothing without you! etc.
People tend to put up with stupid tanks more than stupid DPS. Which is my paladin is full of sparkles, so I can razzle dazzle the group to victory.
Finding a pocket healer is always nice.
My pocket healer dumped me for a raiding guild!
...I would've done the same probably :P.
Exactly, it's just like Riz said, tanks have much of the power in the 5 mans. This is great, if I'm the tank, and it's terrible if I'm not and the tank is retarded.
I was in Mana Tombs on my hunter. We got to the point where everyone would be ready, full on mana etc for a pull, hell I think all the targets were marked as well(and marking every target is unnecessary), and the tank still waited to pull. I suggested that we might want to go faster. The tank tells me that no, if anything we were going too fast, and that if I wanted to go faster I should find another group and said "You got a problem with that?"
:x
and i would strongly advise you to level Prot if you want to tank at 70. there are a lot of subtle things that you need to know that can't be told to you.
things like:
Always making sure you have no mobs behind you. I'm sure you can do this while tanking 1-2 mobs, but can you do it while tanking six?
Good places to LoS. Can you look at a pull and quickly and easily find a way to LoS it? Some instances are better for this than others, but all require it in some form.
There are others, but thats the kind of thing I can think of. And its all stuff you'll pick up while tanking on your way to 70, and then you won't have to be an inexperienced level 70 tank. You'll be able to apply to guilds or whatever with the full knowledge that you can tank better than half of the tanks they have already, gear notwithstanding.
Then kick people if they need kicked.
that's why we call it the struggle, you're supposed to sweat
Can you explain why? I'm a bit lost, and my server is definitely gonna unlock the armory tomorrow. And if I spend a bunch of badges I could've spent on that new 2hand axe for my arena/BGs, where I spec ret.
The thing is I'm looking for some new gear. At the moment I have the 2.3 badge legs, chest and the kara chess boots (battlescar). I have enough badges to replace all of them. I'll have over 490 defense, and a lot of avoidance and so I can easily swap out old existing defense/avoidance gems for pure stamina. So in effect, I'll have a lot more hp than I do now and still stay at the same avoidance/defense rate if not more than before. I'll also have a boost in spell damage but at the cost of block value from the unwavering legs.
They both have less gemmed stamina, due to 1 socket instead of 3.
The Shattrath Protectorate's Breastplate has hardly any defense, too much spell hit. The spell damage is nice but its really too much, and means the thing has almost no avoidance.
The Chestplate of Stoicism is nice, but it also has less gemmed stamina, less pure dodge. About the only advantage is that it has a HUGE amount of defense allowing you to swap some pieces out. It is still a worthy item to buy, but the 2.3 chest is a better item for your usual tank set. Its a more well-rounded piece.
Also, don't buy the 2.4 badge boots.
They suck.
Same deal as before. They have spell hit which is largely useless, at least not worth going for specifically. they have very low defense. They have shield block rating, which, while it helps towards getting uncrushability, is far inferior to dodge, because its mitigation and not avoidance. the 2.3 badge boots, assuming you can get uncrushable without them, are much better.
as a general guide, pretty much the only truly awesome 2.4 items are the Inscribed Legplates of the Aldor, and the tank ring (if you can spare the defense). The warrior-style Chestplate of Stoicism isn't bad, and is worth picking up for a set where you're hurting for defense, such as if you need to wear resistance gear for a fight, but its not worth picking up until you have the other two pieces.
The worthwhile pieces to get from 2.3 badge rewards are now, in this order, Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian, Slikk's Cloak of Placation, Girdle of the Protector (unless you get Belt of the Guardian made), and Sabatons of the Righteous Defender. If you're not an engineer, the Faceguard of Determination is a worthy purchase also.
I'm already uncrushable so I'll just fiddle around I guess. IM BORED OF MY GEAR. http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Deathwing&n=Hidyo
and the legs
you'll gain a ton of dodge
He also had a Brain Hacker, but I decided that would be too close to outlands levels to be usefull.
Any instances drop good ret gear in the 40-45 range?
whoooosh white attack, seal of righteousness
(four seconds later)
whoooosh
Naw, you just need to AoE DPS and drink alot.
Oh wait...you're alliance aren't you?
its nice as a blood elf.
i can get MOST of the benefits of being Ret while soloing as long as i have a big 2hander (Despair is what I use) and a decent ret set (1500ap unbuffed). Just do seal of blood and autoattack. I lose out on a lot of passive and active crit, and Crusader Strike, but its not too bad.
I need advice.
I have two badge items left to buy.
1) Sabatons of the Righteous Defender
2) the new dodge ring from 2.4
which first?
How far? Very. I don't even have gear I'm comfortable tanking heroics with. The only piece I have now that I can use is the Amani Punisher. I have blue legs, chest, and wrists that don't completely suck. If I buckle down, I should be able to get the SSO exalted shield in a week or two.
We clear 5/6 SSC and 3/4 TK (alternating every other week, with Magtheridon done on TK nights). I can get in on a Kara badge run on Friday nights. I'm a 375 BS, and have access to the T5 boots and belt patterns. I'm revered with Aldor and honored or revered with just about everyone else. I have 39 badges in the bank.
So, what do I start with? What essential items can I get from 5mans? Any must haves from Kara? How many pieces of T4 or T5 do I need? I plan on cruising around the maintankadin forums, but I thought there might be some practical advice you guys secretly horde.
I tried my first instance today. I got invited to tank a normal Steamvaults run.
This did not end well. Hell, it didn't even start well.
On the second pull I was feared into a bog lord and we wiped. After rez, I pulled the bog lord, didn't get a heal, and we wiped. The group all quit or dc'd, but not before telling me I should have 12K health unbuffed. I'm sitting in Netherstorm quest greens, so I'm around 7.5K right now.
12K seems a little high for normal Steamvaults. I thought I read 13K for Kara. Seems like a catch-22. I can't tank instances to get gear because I don't have the right gear to tank.
Any suggestions?
12k is a little high but your stamina is still a little low. Mind posting your armory? We can suggest items that don't require instances or good targets.
I soloed to 70 because I'm 13 hours ahead of server time and finding groups on weekdays is impossible. I haven't stepped in an instance after Blood Furnace more than once.
Edit: Armory is now current.
Next question so we can point you in the right direction.
Do you have cash or badges?
I have about 500g and one badge that I got from one of the new daily quests. I've basically just been working on quests to earn money to some day buy my epic flying skill. Before I stopped playing the only way I knew to get badges were to run Kara, but now if I understand correctly they drop in heroics as well.
They do.
Some quick and dirty ones:
http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=23519 as a Helm. Craftable, fairly cheap to pick up. Not the best option but one you can get cheap and right now.
Keepers of time rep will give you a nice sword, nice pants. I'd start working on it.
Aldor, revered will give you a nice chest and can be gotten via quests alone.
Cenarion revered will give a nice neck.