Think about that for a second. One HUNDRED THOUSAND views.
lol. They pulled the video review and more people probaly ended up watching it than if they had never done it.
Oh and the game really does sound like it sucks from the way Jeff described it.
It doesn't suck, exactly, but it's not great, either. I think it suffers in comparison to a lot of the amazing-goddamn-quality games we've got in the last few months.
He kept calling it ugly and unredeeming, but I think of it more as a crime drama and it feels better that way. Having said that, though, the controls are floaty and he bags really unfairly on the cover system. I thought it felt the exact same as the cover system in Mass Effect, and I didn't have a problem with that, either; move to a generally flat surface and wait a split second.
Didn't quite deserve the 6, but didn't deserve too much higher, either.
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Sometimes, i don't know may be just me but I hate when they act like they're "happy" or some shit when I listen to thier podcasts. They rant and hyena all over the mic like a bunch of 14 year olds.
I fucking hate that
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"But let's not pretend that what happened this week is free from comparison. I don't mean to maliciously call GameSpot out on this, but if you didn't know, they sell a lot of their content coverage. The front-door rotation spots, otherwise known as "gumballs," on the homepage are paid for by game publishers at $7,000/2 weeks (March 2006); and if you remember back, they absolutely whored themselves out to Vivendi for the release of 50 Cent: Bulletproof, a game that everyone and their mother knew was going to be terrible. (50 Cent: Bulletproof page, a developer interview, a positive preview, and page 21 of GameSpot's Media Kit which is made for advertisers).
The disparity between the preview and review was pretty substantial. Ricardo Torres, who wrote the preview and who we believe maintains the brunt of GameSpot's publisher relationships, wrote a glowing preview saying: "We're pleasantly surprised to report that 50 Cent: Bulletproof is shaping up to be a strong title capable of gaining notoriety because of its presentation and gameplay, not just its star." Jeff Gerstmann on the other hand, who wrote the review, gave the game a low 4.8, stating "Whether you're an action fan looking for a good shooter or a G-Unit fan in search of new material, Bulletproof disappoints across the board."The jump from being a "strong title" to being "disappointing across the board," is questionable at best. But this is the reality of it, and people hold these sites in such high regard. What they need to realize is that when a publication is put on such a lofty pedestal, advertisers are attracted to them like moths to a flame. And at that point, the thousands of dollars that are thrown around become increasingly difficult to manage, and that's when mishaps such as Jeff's take place."
I used to hate 1up as well. I still kinda do dislike the site; it's a complete clusterfuck, and it's impossible to find anything, but you do get some sort of attachment to the reviewers by listening to the podcasts.
They really have a good staff community going, and 1up Yours, Retronauts and especially GFW Radio are all incredibly entertaining. I can't stand EGM Live, though, and I'm kinda iffy on the 1up Show. But still, I eagerly anticipate new podcasts every week (or every other week/month when it comes to Retronauts). Most of the guys are incredibly informed and if they spout some stupid shit, the others instantly call them on it. It's just a great, relaxing, fun way to keep up with the general gaming scene.
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Think about that for a second. One HUNDRED THOUSAND views.
lol. They pulled the video review and more people probaly ended up watching it than if they had never done it.
Oh and the game really does sound like it sucks from the way Jeff described it.
Listening to 1UP Yours, it sounds like it could've been really good, but lacked any polish or shine that should've been there. It's one I was kind of looking at, probably would've picked it up next year, and now I'm thinking I'll probably avoid it.
Also, if people are abandoning Gamespot, they could do a whole lot worse than to go read Eurogamer too.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
Again and again, it isn't the point whether or not you like the man. These people are paid to give their professional opinions about a product, not to push out advertisements based on adspace.
You didn't like one guy because he had overly high standards, or specific tastes, or whatever the literal meaning you meant when you said "asshole elitism". Reviews are supposed to be a personal opinion and a professional assessment of 'quality'. They're not all supposed to fall within the same range.
No game recieves the same score and the same critique from every reviewer and that's the point. As a consumer you go and take a look at the general reception, looking at the negative opinions and the positive ones to get a sense of what you might like or dislike. Gerstmann may have been harsh towards some games but his opinion was honest and valid.
We all know nothing is perfect, and sometimes imperfections get overlooked by hyped up masses. It's good to have at least one dissenting voice to point out the issues that people gloss over. Not only for gamers, but for developers who actually want to improve their craft.
tl;dr - Alot of people seem to think that when a game comes out it should recieve one universal score because *obviously* there's only one truth and anyone going above or below the average is biased and unprofessional. That's stupid.
I used to hate 1up as well. I still kinda do dislike the site; it's a complete clusterfuck, and it's impossible to find anything, but you do get some sort of attachment to the reviewers by listening to the podcasts.
They really have a good staff community going, and 1up Yours, Retronauts and especially GFW Radio are all incredibly entertaining. I can't stand EGM Live, though, and I'm kinda iffy on the 1up Show. But still, I eagerly anticipate new podcasts every week (or every other week/month when it comes to Retronauts). Most of the guys are incredibly informed and if they spout some stupid shit, the others instantly call them on it. It's just a great, relaxing, fun way to keep up with the general gaming scene.
This post is a perfect summary of 1up.
1up podcasts are fantastic and I really trust the writers, especially the GFW guys.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
Again and again, it isn't the point whether or not you like the man. These people are paid to give their professional opinions about a product, not to push out advertisements based on adspace.
You didn't like one guy because he had overly high standards, or specific tastes, or whatever the literal meaning you meant when you said "asshole elitism". Reviews are supposed to be a personal opinion and a professional assessment of 'quality'. They're not all supposed to fall within the same range.
No game recieves the same score and the same critique from every reviewer and that's the point. As a consumer you go and take a look at the general reception, looking at the negative opinions and the positive ones to get a sense of what you might like or dislike. Gerstmann may have been harsh towards some games but his opinion was honest and valid.
We all know nothing is perfect, and sometimes imperfections get overlooked by hyped up masses. It's good to have at least one dissenting voice to point out the issues that people gloss over. Not only for gamers, but for developers who actually want to improve their craft.
tl;dr - Alot of people seem to think that when a game comes out it should recieve one universal score because *obviously* there's only one truth and anyone going above or below the average is biased and unprofessional. That's stupid.
It's Algertman. You're wasting your breath, sadly.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
he was part of the problem in the past, don't cover it up, don't lie. He got fired because he didn't do his job, which was being shill for increasing traffic to the site. His review didn't do it so they fired him, which in turn increased traffic to the site without having to pay him to do it anymore.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
he was part of the problem in the past, don't cover it up, don't lie. He got fired because he didn't do his job, which was being shill for increasing traffic to the site. His review didn't do it so they fired him, which in turn increased traffic to the site without having to pay him to do it anymore.
He got fired because he didn't follow the new company line that Publishers > Editorial Integrity.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
Again and again, it isn't the point whether or not you like the man. These people are paid to give their professional opinions about a product, not to push out advertisements based on adspace.
You didn't like one guy because he had overly high standards, or specific tastes, or whatever the literal meaning you meant when you said "asshole elitism". Reviews are supposed to be a personal opinion and a professional assessment of 'quality'. They're not all supposed to fall within the same range.
No game recieves the same score and the same critique from every reviewer and that's the point. As a consumer you go and take a look at the general reception, looking at the negative opinions and the positive ones to get a sense of what you might like or dislike. Gerstmann may have been harsh towards some games but his opinion was honest and valid.
We all know nothing is perfect, and sometimes imperfections get overlooked by hyped up masses. It's good to have at least one dissenting voice to point out the issues that people gloss over. Not only for gamers, but for developers who actually want to improve their craft.
tl;dr - Alot of people seem to think that when a game comes out it should recieve one universal score because *obviously* there's only one truth and anyone going above or below the average is biased and unprofessional. That's stupid.
It's Algertman. You're wasting your breath, sadly.
I do that alot. It's like an addiction. Talking to walls.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
he was part of the problem in the past, don't cover it up, don't lie. He got fired because he didn't do his job, which was being shill for increasing traffic to the site. His review didn't do it so they fired him, which in turn increased traffic to the site without having to pay him to do it anymore.
He got fired because he didn't follow the new company line that Publishers > Editorial Integrity.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
he was part of the problem in the past, don't cover it up, don't lie. He got fired because he didn't do his job, which was being shill for increasing traffic to the site. His review didn't do it so they fired him, which in turn increased traffic to the site without having to pay him to do it anymore.
O_o
Logic? Reason? A Jedi craves not these things.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
he was part of the problem in the past, don't cover it up, don't lie. He got fired because he didn't do his job, which was being shill for increasing traffic to the site. His review didn't do it so they fired him, which in turn increased traffic to the site without having to pay him to do it anymore.
O_o
Logic? Reason? A Jedi craves not these things.
As I said, it looks like he was just as bad as those who give famous games extra good reviews from my perspective, with the only difference being that he gave extra poor reviews.
Admittedly, though, the only solution I can think of is to ship an XBox and electrical generator to Darfur so that people who would have never even heard of the games could play and review them. We could call it "Third World Reviews," and be the most despised site on the internet.
As I said, it looks like he was just as bad as those who give famous games extra good reviews from my perspective, with the only difference being that he gave extra poor reviews.
Admittedly, though, the only solution I can think of is to ship an XBox and electrical generator to Darfur so that people who would have never even heard of the games could play and review them. We could call it "Third World Reviews," and be the most despised site on the internet.
So, any new developments in the last 48 hours? Last I heard was some vague comment by Gamespot, and a Wired blog saying that someone heard that someone said that someone might be getting fired for other reasons.
So, any new developments in the last 48 hours? Last I heard was some vague comment by Gamespot, and a Wired blog saying that someone heard that someone said that someone might be getting fired for other reasons.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
he was part of the problem in the past, don't cover it up, don't lie. He got fired because he didn't do his job, which was being shill for increasing traffic to the site. His review didn't do it so they fired him, which in turn increased traffic to the site without having to pay him to do it anymore.
He got fired because he didn't follow the new company line that Publishers > Editorial Integrity.
That was ALWAYS the company policy.
I had no idea you were an insider at Gamespot, Algertman! Please, continue to supply us with your valuable insight into things you don't know the first fucking thing about.
The man should have been fired a long time ago. He finally pissed off the wrong people with with his asshole elitism.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
he was part of the problem in the past, don't cover it up, don't lie. He got fired because he didn't do his job, which was being shill for increasing traffic to the site. His review didn't do it so they fired him, which in turn increased traffic to the site without having to pay him to do it anymore.
He got fired because he didn't follow the new company line that Publishers > Editorial Integrity.
That was ALWAYS the company policy.
I had no idea you were an insider at Gamespot, Algertman! Please, continue to supply us with your valuable insight into things you don't know the first fucking thing about.
Agreeing with this shit because it's now "company policy" is weak as hell. Company policy or not, it's not right.
This is the kind of attitude that drives me crazy the most.
Algert probably agrees with every law that's ever been on the books. Including that ban on female drivers in the southern states last century (never enforced).
I'm surprised that so many people care about this, but in a good way. I'm cynical enough that I expected the prevailing view to be Algertman's. It is heartening that some people still care about integrity. Now if only we could get people to stop accepting corrupt politicians as a matter of course.
Yeah, I really love the 1up Show. It just seems really... friendly, you know? Like, it has soul.
1UP Yours is easily the best video game podcast
Not in a universe where the Brodeo exists my friend :P
Man, this week's podcasts are going to be EPIC. Normally it's the NPD ones that are the most interesting, but I can't wait to hear everyone (especially Shawn and the Brodeo) talk about this development.
I also listen to a CNET podcast (Buzz Out Loud), so I'm anxious to hear their take on it (if they're even allowed to comment on it).
Since when the hell was it "company policy" for a site that's notorious for giving lower-than-the-average scores, to exchange sums of money for high review scores?
Since when the hell was it "company policy" for a site that's notorious for giving lower-than-the-average scores, to exchange sums of money for high review scores?
Don't even try to argue logic and causality with this guy. Just leave him in his happy conspiracy world.
Yeah, I really love the 1up Show. It just seems really... friendly, you know? Like, it has soul.
1UP Yours is easily the best video game podcast
Not in a universe where the Brodeo exists my friend :P
I said the best video game podcast.
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that they spend too much time fucking around and not enough actually talking about games. To be fair though, I've only listened to it a couple times, I really should give it another shot.
Since when the hell was it "company policy" for a site that's notorious for giving lower-than-the-average scores, to exchange sums of money for high review scores?
Don't even try to argue logic and causality with this guy. Just leave him in his happy conspiracy world.
It all about increasing traffic to the site
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Since when the hell was it "company policy" for a site that's notorious for giving lower-than-the-average scores, to exchange sums of money for high review scores?
Don't even try to argue logic and causality with this guy. Just leave him in his happy conspiracy world.
It all about increasing traffic to the site
So you don't think that sacrificing the site's journalistic credibility for some short-term cash might decrease the site's traffic in the long run?
Yeah, I really love the 1up Show. It just seems really... friendly, you know? Like, it has soul.
1UP Yours is easily the best video game podcast
Not in a universe where the Brodeo exists my friend :P
I said the best video game podcast.
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that they spend too much time fucking around and not enough actually talking about games. To be fair though, I've only listened to it a couple times, I really should give it another shot.
Since when the hell was it "company policy" for a site that's notorious for giving lower-than-the-average scores, to exchange sums of money for high review scores?
Don't even try to argue logic and causality with this guy. Just leave him in his happy conspiracy world.
It all about increasing traffic to the site
Right. Firing a senior reviewer who, apparently, has drawn people to the site for years whether or not they agree with his opinions was purely to get a two or three day spike in traffic. Genius, if you ask me.
Since when the hell was it "company policy" for a site that's notorious for giving lower-than-the-average scores, to exchange sums of money for high review scores?
Don't even try to argue logic and causality with this guy. Just leave him in his happy conspiracy world.
It all about increasing traffic to the site
Right. Firing a senior reviewer who, apparently, has drawn people to the site for years whether or not they agree with his opinions was purely to get a two or three day spike in traffic. Genius, if you ask me.
Not to mention all the spam, canceled subscriptions, and various other problems this has caused.
Since when the hell was it "company policy" for a site that's notorious for giving lower-than-the-average scores, to exchange sums of money for high review scores?
Don't even try to argue logic and causality with this guy. Just leave him in his happy conspiracy world.
It all about increasing traffic to the site
Right. Firing a senior reviewer who, apparently, has drawn people to the site for years whether or not they agree with his opinions was purely to get a two or three day spike in traffic. Genius, if you ask me.
Not to mention all the spam, canceled subscriptions, and various other problems this has caused.
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I noted the video has gotten over 100,000 views.
Think about that for a second. One HUNDRED THOUSAND views.
lol. They pulled the video review and more people probaly ended up watching it than if they had never done it.
Oh and the game really does sound like it sucks from the way Jeff described it.
It doesn't suck, exactly, but it's not great, either. I think it suffers in comparison to a lot of the amazing-goddamn-quality games we've got in the last few months.
He kept calling it ugly and unredeeming, but I think of it more as a crime drama and it feels better that way. Having said that, though, the controls are floaty and he bags really unfairly on the cover system. I thought it felt the exact same as the cover system in Mass Effect, and I didn't have a problem with that, either; move to a generally flat surface and wait a split second.
Didn't quite deserve the 6, but didn't deserve too much higher, either.
I fucking hate that
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I didn't actually realize the extent of how the advertising fees worked. I guess this is why I prefer forums to find my review news and opinions.
I guess I didn't think of it like that. Alcohol in the mix. I just assumed it was forced.
I'm starting to gain interest again. I canceled mysub at Gamespot and switched to 1up just now.
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They really have a good staff community going, and 1up Yours, Retronauts and especially GFW Radio are all incredibly entertaining. I can't stand EGM Live, though, and I'm kinda iffy on the 1up Show. But still, I eagerly anticipate new podcasts every week (or every other week/month when it comes to Retronauts). Most of the guys are incredibly informed and if they spout some stupid shit, the others instantly call them on it. It's just a great, relaxing, fun way to keep up with the general gaming scene.
Listening to 1UP Yours, it sounds like it could've been really good, but lacked any polish or shine that should've been there. It's one I was kind of looking at, probably would've picked it up next year, and now I'm thinking I'll probably avoid it.
Also, if people are abandoning Gamespot, they could do a whole lot worse than to go read Eurogamer too.
God damn it, we've been through that shit already.
So what you mean to say is, you're happy for popular review sites to take money in return for good reviews, even if the game isn't that good? You're comfortable with them fabricating their reviews so the publishers can sell a few more copies?
If not, maybe you can try not replying.
Again and again, it isn't the point whether or not you like the man. These people are paid to give their professional opinions about a product, not to push out advertisements based on adspace.
You didn't like one guy because he had overly high standards, or specific tastes, or whatever the literal meaning you meant when you said "asshole elitism". Reviews are supposed to be a personal opinion and a professional assessment of 'quality'. They're not all supposed to fall within the same range.
No game recieves the same score and the same critique from every reviewer and that's the point. As a consumer you go and take a look at the general reception, looking at the negative opinions and the positive ones to get a sense of what you might like or dislike. Gerstmann may have been harsh towards some games but his opinion was honest and valid.
We all know nothing is perfect, and sometimes imperfections get overlooked by hyped up masses. It's good to have at least one dissenting voice to point out the issues that people gloss over. Not only for gamers, but for developers who actually want to improve their craft.
tl;dr - Alot of people seem to think that when a game comes out it should recieve one universal score because *obviously* there's only one truth and anyone going above or below the average is biased and unprofessional. That's stupid.
Not in a universe where the Brodeo exists my friend :P
This post is a perfect summary of 1up.
1up podcasts are fantastic and I really trust the writers, especially the GFW guys.
It's Algertman. You're wasting your breath, sadly.
he was part of the problem in the past, don't cover it up, don't lie. He got fired because he didn't do his job, which was being shill for increasing traffic to the site. His review didn't do it so they fired him, which in turn increased traffic to the site without having to pay him to do it anymore.
He got fired because he didn't follow the new company line that Publishers > Editorial Integrity.
I do that alot. It's like an addiction. Talking to walls.
That was ALWAYS the company policy.
O_o
Logic? Reason? A Jedi craves not these things.
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Admittedly, though, the only solution I can think of is to ship an XBox and electrical generator to Darfur so that people who would have never even heard of the games could play and review them. We could call it "Third World Reviews," and be the most despised site on the internet.
That's an awesome idea.
If I was rich, I would bank roll it
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I had no idea you were an insider at Gamespot, Algertman! Please, continue to supply us with your valuable insight into things you don't know the first fucking thing about.
Agreeing with this shit because it's now "company policy" is weak as hell. Company policy or not, it's not right.
This is the kind of attitude that drives me crazy the most.
Algert probably agrees with every law that's ever been on the books. Including that ban on female drivers in the southern states last century (never enforced).
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Man, this week's podcasts are going to be EPIC. Normally it's the NPD ones that are the most interesting, but I can't wait to hear everyone (especially Shawn and the Brodeo) talk about this development.
I also listen to a CNET podcast (Buzz Out Loud), so I'm anxious to hear their take on it (if they're even allowed to comment on it).
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Don't even try to argue logic and causality with this guy. Just leave him in his happy conspiracy world.
I said the best video game podcast.
Sorry, but I'm of the opinion that they spend too much time fucking around and not enough actually talking about games. To be fair though, I've only listened to it a couple times, I really should give it another shot.
It all about increasing traffic to the site
So you don't think that sacrificing the site's journalistic credibility for some short-term cash might decrease the site's traffic in the long run?
Hehe I agree.
The brodeo simply awesome though.
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Right. Firing a senior reviewer who, apparently, has drawn people to the site for years whether or not they agree with his opinions was purely to get a two or three day spike in traffic. Genius, if you ask me.
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Not to mention all the spam, canceled subscriptions, and various other problems this has caused.
It's so stupid it might just work!