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langfor6
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I finally cracked and bought a 360 today.
I've been playing around with it most of the afternoon, and I'm really glad I bought it. I finally get to play Bioshock and Mass Effect, might try out Crackdown in the future, and possibly even get into a little Shadowrun.
However, when looking at some cross platform titles, I realized I had no idea which one to pick up. Certain versions are well-documented as being superior (Orange Box comes to mind, noted as having less frame rate issues on 360), but other games I have no idea, like Call of Duty 4. How does one tell?
I've been playing around with it most of the afternoon, and I'm really glad I bought it. I finally get to play Bioshock and Mass Effect, might try out Crackdown in the future, and possibly even get into a little Shadowrun.
However, when looking at some cross platform titles, I realized I had no idea which one to pick up. Certain versions are well-documented as being superior (Orange Box comes to mind, noted as having less frame rate issues on 360), but other games I have no idea, like Call of Duty 4. How does one tell?
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I get all my multiplatform titles on the Wii.
I'm not big into online play on my consoles do to my messed up hours in RL so to paying for XBL is a waste of money for me thus out of the question. With the PS3 version I just had to boot up the multi-player and I was in a death match in a minutes time. So PS3 was the version I went with.
Nah. Not if it's new.
Besides that, RRODs are now on a three year warranty. So insurance is still just as useless advice as ever.
I'M A TWITTER SHITTER
Well, it's still good on the slightly less common but more dastardly problem of the faulty DVD drive. Oh sweet, my 14 month old 360 just stopped reading anything and scratched this brand fucking new game! Awesome.
What you should be concerned about are the exclusives. The PS3 is going to dominate when it comes to JRPG's and any game that is originally in Japanese before coming over here. The reason behind this is that the Xbox 1 sold horribly in Japan and the 360 hasn't done a whole lot better. Japanese publishers didn't have a reason to put their games out on the Xbox 1 so a relationship wasn't built. It's starting to pick up now for the 360 (See Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon) but I still think we're going to see the majority of Japanese games being PS3 exclusives. If that's your thing then you might want to take the 360 back and exchange it for a PS3.
I think this is due to the PS3 putting out a brighter image. AC looked washed out in their comparison ... but it also looks like they didn't adjust the brightness. When I popped in AC and turned the brightness down, the textures seem to pop more. Some games have an in-game option, while others you just have to adjust your TV.
I agree. I've not noticed the differences people talk about because I go into the settings and adjust them for each game. If the game doesn't have it's own controls then I do it through my TV and then reset my TV when I'm done
I have a 32" 480i,p/720p/1080i Sony Wega with a 3:2 pull down. It's not state of the art anymore but it gets the job down well.
While that particular comparison was probably marred by the brightness differences, look at this one from Gamespot's original comparison article. First is 360, second PS3.
Brightness/Contrast look the same on both shots but the texture's are way better on the 360. The pattern on the jersey behind the numbers completely loses it's perforations and the helmet ridge is much sharper on the 360.
Here's a mixed example, first is 360, second PS3.
The wood floor looks a little better on the PS3 but notice the difference between "DALLAS".
To me it really seems like its up to the dev to put in the time to make it look/perform well.
Earlier games like Rainbow Six Vegas and Splinter Cell: DA (yeah like you'd want either versions) were much better on XB360, but trends are changing. I recall there were some tradeoffs for alot of game comparisons ( clearer image on PS3 , better framerate on 360 ) and PS3 games are known for being just a bit brighter.
I'm pretty sure Fight Night Round 3 on PS3 got the better version as the developers added more effects and such to the game, but the load times are'nt as flash.
For Virtua Fighter, 360 got the best version (but the control is best played with a stick) as it has a cleaner image and Online.
The best way to find out graphically which gets the best - go to gametrailers and look at the comparison videos they have. Alot of game review sites do comparison amtches with 360 and PS3 games (Gamespot and Gamespy)
As for controls - go figure, whatever makes you comfortable, some games have little bonuses on hte PS3 like being able to look around with the snake cam in Rainbow Six:Vegas using the motion sensor, but I find the 360 controller more comfortable.
To each and their own I guess
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Anisotropic filtering differences contribute too. Here's a comparison shot (not from the 360 or PS3) of no AF on the left and AF on the right.
That and other texture filtering differences are why we see visual differences. I'm pretty sure that for most of these titles each console is working with the same assets.
edit: Wrong info, my bad. AA also effects textures.
See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-aliasing
tl;dr: left without, left with AA
I still contest that AF is also a factor.
Yes, DiRT is better on the PS3. Soon Lost Planet will also be in that category and possibly Eternal Sonata as well. Lost Planet on the PS3 will have all the PC content so I think it's being ported from the PC version. Eternal Sonata is being ported to the PS3 as well, I have no idea about the quality at this point in time.
Edited for meatflower...
Whoops I thought I hit the save button already.
Anyway there are some differences between the video cards of the systems, all but 1 (360's 10mb of built in card memory) are minor but they're still there. This comes down to the programmers using the PS3 hardware and trying to expand the game to use more processing threads now availible when porting code from the 360 to the PS3. Not to mention the difference in the memory types even though the systems have the same about of memory. Either way as COD4 has shown and hopefully DMC4, there isn't a real difference when done properly.
http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=88461 (more links at the bottom)
I also heard Oblivion perform/looks better on the PS3? I haven't tested it out personally. I think most of the performance issues have to do with porting, not that the hardware isn't capable of running it well. EA tends to try to release its games on multi plat at the same time. So if they work on the X360 version first then port to the PS3, and want to hit their release date, the PS3 version might not perform so well in order to ship along side the X360 version... at least that’s what I'm guessing.
I fixed it.
From the way he worded his OP, I'm pretty sure he has both systems and so doesn't have to worry about exclusives (though timed exclusives may be a problem if the delayed version gets extra content).
Anyway, it's different for every game, but the differences are a lot smaller than they were earlier in the year. By this time next year, I doubt there'll be any real differences, as developers get used to the PS3's architecture.
I actually have the Game of the Year edition of Oblivion for the PS3. Anyway it is better on the PS3, they added the PC cell shading into the PS3 version (download on 360 for a fee). But the performance has to do with all PS3s having a hard drive for caching and the stable transfer speed of the blu-ray. So if a person downloads the extras for the 360 version it will look the same but still has to load at various points a lot more than the PS3.
As devs are learning how to program for the PS3 and groups like Insomniac and Naughty Dog actually add to the dev kit code base. So the PS3 is now getting games like Uncharted with incredible performance in lack of load times and top notch graphic quality. The 360 does have some great games now but the PS3 is catching up. My only hope is that the next Xbox has hard drives in all models again just for caching alone. Sony even said they were jealous of the hard drive in the Xbox1. So I still don't understand why MS did not include a HD in all models. O_o Ah well.
meatflower, I got out of graphic design a long time ago. I just remember that AA is one (of many) important aspect of the graphics, especially since both consoles have scaling chips, the PS3 devs just doesn't use theirs properly yet. I'm just glad I don't do the graphic design for these console games, as they are very complex.
Well I'm off to bed, I need to get a few hours of sleep before digging out from the heavy snow storm that hit here in the midwest.
Sorry for not being more clear in the OP. I picked up a PS3 last year. It wasn't until the recent 360 releases that finally made me get one today. Now I have to choose which system to buy games on when they are cross-platform. Blame BioShock and Mass Effect. Especially you Mass Effect. I've already decided I won't upgrade my PC until Dragon Age. Curses, Bioware. Curses.
You also may want to take mutiplayer into account. Free or paid, if everyone you know/play with seems to have bought copies for one system I know that is the system I would want to purchase it for.
I'm a surly misanthrope with no friends. Multiplayer isn't much of a factor.
The PS3 adds alot of "atmospheric" effects.
They have to go by a rather strict "what is clearer", when the actual dealio is more ambiguous.
On the subject of patching it? Yes. They will. It's not really that hard to do. And also, with Assassin's Creed? I have it on my PS3, and there is NO WAY THAT GAME COULD LOOK BETTER. I don't care, it's so sex-tastic. I highly doubt it could improve in any major way. And like the guy said "Patch it".
Also, I would buy PS3 c-p games over 360 ones just because of the possible RRoD. Even if you do have a warranty, you'll have to wait a while to get it back. So, during that time, you wouldn't be able to play ANY of your c-p games.
Also, free online multiplayer for the win.
Because of threads like this one. Right. Fucking. Here.
I came in here expecting to see a flame war. I didn't even want to check this out. I was just drawn towards it like car wreck. But what do I find?
Eden!
I think the majority of 360 owners are asleep.
It used to be fairly bad at times but it's really cooled down.
Some tool was here a few weeks ago posting in all of these sorts of threads going "ohhhh it's on now *puts on flamesuit*" and "oh crap here it comes!!!" and of course nothing ever happened.
There are defenders of every "side" but generally everyone understands each other.
I'm awake, 360 owner planning to get a PS3.
If you want random stupid shit-flings, theres always the gametrailers forums, serious that shit will make your head cave in.
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I too am surprised that this hasn't become a flame war.
What tends to happen is that for the first 5 or so pages, the discussion will be fine, then someone will say something and a bunch of people from each side will start yelling at each other. Look at what happened to the MGS4 delay thread, while the thread title was antagonistic (which earned its creator an infraction) the first eight or so pages were fine, then from then until page 11 it's a complete fucking disaster.
Waka Laka: Yeah, the Gametrailers forum is pretty bad. Once I was bored so I paid it a visit and some idiot was going on about how Gran Turismo was going to come out on the 360.
As for the ol' PS3 vs 360 argument..
I'm an owner of 3.. yes 3 360's.. Pathetic as it may seem, we do a lot of gaming in my house, as each individual 360 has a 32" LCD setup adjacent to each other (split screen is the pits). I personally haven't found any of the sony exclusives that enticing (never got into kill zone, metal gear, FF, etc.) but I'd imagine the cross platforms from here on out will be fine on both systems. So of course I'd say choose a system where the exclusives meet your preference.
I do see that in the future there will be less platform specific exclusives.. so that may make platform specifics a moot point.
The driving factors that make me a ms guy are the controller, live service, and GUI. I find the controller to feel appropriate in my hands.. and i always found the PS controllers to be "under engineered".
As for the live service and GUI.. I've used the sony network, many times in fact, and never found it to feel polished. It always felt it was bolted on as a second thought. The live service on the other hand is integrated into everything.. As if every game was developed with the live service as a fundamental ingredient to the recipe.
The GUI is the same way. It just feels polished and well thought out.
Of course this is all opinion.. but I've been in and around the industry for 25~ years now as an avid gamer(competitive and recreational) and feel that at least I've "developed" this opinion.
Sorry for the novel..
and as a new registered user.. I'd like to say that i love these forums.. I've been perusing for a while
-D2
You didn't read the OP, did you.
When it comes down to that choice, I usually go for the 360 version due to the controller. I think it's more comfortable. Achievements and a bigger online community usually help, too. I do have Oblivion on my PS3, though, because of the reportedly faster loading times and sharper textures. Unfortunately, no DLC or expansion packs for it, aside from Knights of the Nine, so if I want everything that the 360 version has for it, I need to buy it again as the Game of the Year edition.
Edit: Thread title probably needs to be changed, because soon enough we'll have people ignoring the OP and just responding based on what they think the title means. :P You know, like above.
This is a perfectly valid reason to buy a PS3 over a 360 but I don't quite get it as a reason to buy PS3 games over 360 games. Unless he doesn't want to play any 360 exclusives online he will already have a Live account paid for. I don't have a 360 but I don't think there are additional fees for playing more games on Live are there?
(Please do not gift. My game bank is already full.)
Is this a joke or am I missing something?
It could be a joke but Xeno is generally Wii positive. A lot of the graphically intense games aren't multiplatform to the Wii (Oblivion, CoD4) but the ones that are aren't usually that bad. Tomb Raider Anniversary is the most recent one that I'm enjoying a lot.
I think the logic is that if the game's going to be pretty much the same on all systems, you might as well take the one with the interesting controls.
Or it could just be a joke, referring to the trend of multiplatform between PS2 and Wii.
Regardless it isn't needed in this thread, being about 360 and PS3 exclusively.
To be honest, right now the choice isn't that difficult (imo). For games with heavy online, right now, you'll probably be wanting to pick up the 360 version (if you plan on getting Live, of course). The integration with online is really well done, voice chat is a great tool for games like Call of Duty when you're playing with a team, and people actually talk, as opposed to the PS3 where it seems like next to no one actually has a headset unfortunately.
That's going to change (hopefully) pretty soon. One big title for me, Burnout Paradise, is apparently going to have a much more feature enhanced version for its online mode (supposedly) on the PS3 over the 360, so in the future it might be a really good idea to check reviews before picking up a game for its online component. As for single player only? Check reviews for each version, as the PS3 seems to be getting some janky ports from the 360, though some of the games coming out for it do seem to run better or look sharper on the PS3.
One word of warning. Only get Shadowrun if you can find it really cheap. There's no single player to speak of, limited maps, and FASA is unfortunately gone, so there's little to no hope of new maps coming out for it. I love the game, but I would be surprised if the community lasts, unfortunately.
You know, I did read the OP... but man did I get off topic.:oops:
I would however prefer to play cross platform multiplayer on the 360 if i had the choice. I Do like how MS forced developers to develop games with the MP in mind, and to meet certain criteria(keeping interfaces, friends, general gui) consistent among all of the titles.
-D2