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    abducensabducens __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    You know why I love Penny Arcade?

    Because of threads like this one. Right. Fucking. Here.

    I came in here expecting to see a flame war. I didn't even want to check this out. I was just drawn towards it like car wreck. But what do I find?

    Eden!

    It used to be fairly bad at times but it's really cooled down.

    Some tool was here a few weeks ago posting in all of these sorts of threads going "ohhhh it's on now *puts on flamesuit*" and "oh crap here it comes!!!" and of course nothing ever happened.

    There are defenders of every "side" but generally everyone understands each other.

    Ah, infamy. I gave the forum powers that be a solid excuse to kill off the Red Ring of Death thread once and for all, too! ;-)

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    AoiAoi Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I also heard Oblivion perform/looks better on the PS3? I haven't tested it out personally. I think most of the performance issues have to do with porting, not that the hardware isn't capable of running it well.

    I actually have the Game of the Year edition of Oblivion for the PS3. Anyway it is better on the PS3, they added the PC cell shading into the PS3 version (download on 360 for a fee). But the performance has to do with all PS3s having a hard drive for caching and the stable transfer speed of the blu-ray. So if a person downloads the extras for the 360 version it will look the same but still has to load at various points a lot more than the PS3.

    As devs are learning how to program for the PS3 and groups like Insomniac and Naughty Dog actually add to the dev kit code base. So the PS3 is now getting games like Uncharted with incredible performance in lack of load times and top notch graphic quality. The 360 does have some great games now but the PS3 is catching up. My only hope is that the next Xbox has hard drives in all models again just for caching alone. Sony even said they were jealous of the hard drive in the Xbox1. So I still don't understand why MS did not include a HD in all models. O_o Ah well.

    meatflower, I got out of graphic design a long time ago. I just remember that AA is one (of many) important aspect of the graphics, especially since both consoles have scaling chips, the PS3 devs just doesn't use theirs properly yet. I'm just glad I don't do the graphic design for these console games, as they are very complex.

    Well I'm off to bed, I need to get a few hours of sleep before digging out from the heavy snow storm that hit here in the midwest.


    I really need to throw in my two cents on this one. The 360 can and does cache information with its hard drive with a good deal of the games released for it. The big difference between the PS3 and the 360 as far as the speeds are concerned is less to do with caching, and more to do with the whole several hundred meg install most games make on the PS3 hard drive.

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    notagamenotagame Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I also heard Oblivion perform/looks better on the PS3? I haven't tested it out personally. I think most of the performance issues have to do with porting, not that the hardware isn't capable of running it well.

    I actually have the Game of the Year edition of Oblivion for the PS3. Anyway it is better on the PS3, they added the PC cell shading into the PS3 version (download on 360 for a fee). But the performance has to do with all PS3s having a hard drive for caching and the stable transfer speed of the blu-ray. So if a person downloads the extras for the 360 version it will look the same but still has to load at various points a lot more than the PS3.

    As devs are learning how to program for the PS3 and groups like Insomniac and Naughty Dog actually add to the dev kit code base. So the PS3 is now getting games like Uncharted with incredible performance in lack of load times and top notch graphic quality. The 360 does have some great games now but the PS3 is catching up. My only hope is that the next Xbox has hard drives in all models again just for caching alone. Sony even said they were jealous of the hard drive in the Xbox1. So I still don't understand why MS did not include a HD in all models. O_o Ah well.

    Oblivion is probably a bad example, as the only way to properly enjoy the game is to play it on the PC with a mod that fix their piece of shit leveling system.

    As for the 360 and harddrive, yeah. Hopefully Microsoft will wake the hell up and start letting developers the option to allow installing/cashing on the harddrive, as long as it is not a requirement. It would have made Mass Effect that much better.

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    AoiAoi Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    notagame wrote: »
    I also heard Oblivion perform/looks better on the PS3? I haven't tested it out personally. I think most of the performance issues have to do with porting, not that the hardware isn't capable of running it well.

    I actually have the Game of the Year edition of Oblivion for the PS3. Anyway it is better on the PS3, they added the PC cell shading into the PS3 version (download on 360 for a fee). But the performance has to do with all PS3s having a hard drive for caching and the stable transfer speed of the blu-ray. So if a person downloads the extras for the 360 version it will look the same but still has to load at various points a lot more than the PS3.

    As devs are learning how to program for the PS3 and groups like Insomniac and Naughty Dog actually add to the dev kit code base. So the PS3 is now getting games like Uncharted with incredible performance in lack of load times and top notch graphic quality. The 360 does have some great games now but the PS3 is catching up. My only hope is that the next Xbox has hard drives in all models again just for caching alone. Sony even said they were jealous of the hard drive in the Xbox1. So I still don't understand why MS did not include a HD in all models. O_o Ah well.

    Oblivion is probably a bad example, as the only way to properly enjoy the game is to play it on the PC with a mod that fix their piece of shit leveling system.

    As for the 360 and harddrive, yeah. Hopefully Microsoft will wake the hell up and start letting developers the option to allow installing/cashing on the harddrive, as long as it is not a requirement. It would have made Mass Effect that much better.


    Again, developers do have the option to use the hard drive for caching, and it has space set aside on the hard disk for that specific purpose.

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    urahonkyurahonky Resident FF7R hater Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    If I had a choice between the PS3 or 360 port it would have to depend on the game, like most said. Shooters? I'd probably do the 360. Strategy/Fighting? PS3. The PS3's controller is better, to me, for precise controls. I can't stand the + pad on the 360, and the Analog Stick clicks too easily for me when I'm playing a game on it.

    But if it's out for everything under the sun, I'll probably pick it up for the PC myself. "BUHT I H8 TEH KEEBORD AND MOUS!!", then use the 360 controller adapter. Pussy.

    :)

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    EclecticGrooveEclecticGroove Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Aoi wrote: »

    Again, developers do have the option to use the hard drive for caching, and it has space set aside on the hard disk for that specific purpose.

    This is true, but the problem with it is, that unlike the oXbox and PS3, dev's can't optimize their game around the hard drives existence without MS giving them the go ahead (like FF XI).

    So the oXbox and PS3 can have a game install a few gigs worth of data to the hard drive as a requirement, whereas the 360 cannot... least not until MS decides to allow it.

    Those few hundred MB, or couple GB of data can make a huge difference in load/access times. Right now the 360 devs would need to create almost 2 versions of their game to take proper advantage of a Hard drive and still allow people with no hard drive to function. As a compromise they mostly just throw some caching in to help out a bit for people with a HD.


    And oblivion is a bad example for 360/ps3 versions, as is any game with such a delay. They had a ton of time to perfect and improve the ps3 version, as well as add new content, whereas the 360 version was out at roughly the same time as the pc version. Eternal Sonata will be similar.

    I'd say as far as which to choose?

    Many times each version wind up with their own pro's and cons. And all things being equal, sometimes there's a non game related bonus tacked onto one or the other (like a free blu ray movie, or the bonus TV content in the Darkness). Other times there's a huge gameplay reason to get a game, like VF5's online play, or the better performance of Assasins Creed on the 360. Sometimes one is released earlier than the other like Oblivion, so you have to weigh when you get if vs what features it has.

    There won't be any one answer, since there will be quick and dirty 360-ps3 ports and vice versa, co developed games for both, and games that go form one to the other but take the time to do it right and/or throw in new features to make it worthwhile.

    Just take a look at each game on it's own and decide, since some may have virtually no real differences, and then you can more or less flip a coin to see which you want.

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    UtherUther Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I would expect the 360 versions to be better on average. PS3 versions of cross platform titles still seem to be at a disadvantage when it comes to the developer's ability to squeeze quality out of the harware. Its a hard race for Sony to catch up with, particularly with MS developer support being so good.

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    Lord ShplaneLord Shplane Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Dashui wrote: »

    You didn't read the OP, did you. :D It's not about what console to buy. It's about how do you decide what console to own a multi-platform game on when you own both the 360 and the PS3. ;)

    When it comes down to that choice, I usually go for the 360 version due to the controller. I think it's more comfortable. Achievements and a bigger online community usually help, too. I do have Oblivion on my PS3, though, because of the reportedly faster loading times and sharper textures. Unfortunately, no DLC or expansion packs for it, aside from Knights of the Nine, so if I want everything that the 360 version has for it, I need to buy it again as the Game of the Year edition.

    Edit: Thread title probably needs to be changed, because soon enough we'll have people ignoring the OP and just responding based on what they think the title means. :P You know, like above.

    I'm the opposite with the controller. :lol:

    Also, I've never had a problem with the PS3 community. There were generally a few people on with a headset, and we'd spout profanities at each other. Which, if I understand this correctly, is all anybody does on Live. Also, PS3 owners will be getting "Trophies" with Home, which are basically the same thing as Achievements.

    And as for downloadable Oblivion content? They just released Shivering Isles for download on the PS Store the other day (I saw it myself, and wished I had $30), so I'm assuming that they'll also be releasing all the other extras soon enough.

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    MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The PS3 community has the same asshats as the 360... less people have bluetooth headsets on the PS3 so you dont have to hear them as often.

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    langfor6langfor6 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Aoi wrote: »
    notagame wrote: »
    I also heard Oblivion perform/looks better on the PS3? I haven't tested it out personally. I think most of the performance issues have to do with porting, not that the hardware isn't capable of running it well.

    I actually have the Game of the Year edition of Oblivion for the PS3. Anyway it is better on the PS3, they added the PC cell shading into the PS3 version (download on 360 for a fee). But the performance has to do with all PS3s having a hard drive for caching and the stable transfer speed of the blu-ray. So if a person downloads the extras for the 360 version it will look the same but still has to load at various points a lot more than the PS3.

    As devs are learning how to program for the PS3 and groups like Insomniac and Naughty Dog actually add to the dev kit code base. So the PS3 is now getting games like Uncharted with incredible performance in lack of load times and top notch graphic quality. The 360 does have some great games now but the PS3 is catching up. My only hope is that the next Xbox has hard drives in all models again just for caching alone. Sony even said they were jealous of the hard drive in the Xbox1. So I still don't understand why MS did not include a HD in all models. O_o Ah well.

    Oblivion is probably a bad example, as the only way to properly enjoy the game is to play it on the PC with a mod that fix their piece of shit leveling system.

    As for the 360 and harddrive, yeah. Hopefully Microsoft will wake the hell up and start letting developers the option to allow installing/cashing on the harddrive, as long as it is not a requirement. It would have made Mass Effect that much better.


    Again, developers do have the option to use the hard drive for caching, and it has space set aside on the hard disk for that specific purpose.

    Really? I was under the impression that they are forced to develop games with the HDD-less 360 in mind.

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    BamelinBamelin Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Personally I'll always go with the 360 version of a title simply because I

    a. Prefer the 360 controller
    b. Dont' mind paying for Live and have a large Friend's List


    I bought my PS3 strictly for it's exclusives like Warhawk, Eye of Judgement, Rachet and Clank, Uncharted, and upcoming titles in 2008.

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    pheknophekno Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I have always been a fan of the PlayStation, and have never owned an XBox or an XBox 360, that being said...

    One thing to look at is whether the game you want has the hardware availability you want. I bought Rock Band for my PS3. I don't own a 360, currently, but after the Rock Band fiasco, I am considering it. Rock Band on the PS3 has absolutely no support for guitar controllers other than the Fender Strat, nor are there any standalone Fender Strats to be found anywhere and there may not be until February or March. Guitar Hero 3 has absolutely no support for controllers other than the one that came bundled with the game, and it's NOT WIRELESS, despite what they say (yeah, theres no wire between the STUPID DONGLE and the guitar, but WTF! I don't want to plug in the DONGLE because it looks stupid! The same applies to the Rock Band guitar.) The Guitar Hero 3 controller is only backwards compatible with Guitar Hero 1 (if I recall correctly). GH2 is completely un-playable, unless you buy the flaky converter, and as was stated before, its flaky.

    That my two cents. Other than that, I love my PS3 and all of the games I have for it.

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    AccualtAccualt Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    langfor6 wrote: »
    Really? I was under the impression that they are forced to develop games with the HDD-less 360 in mind.

    They can't require the HDD without permission from MS (like for MMOs) but they cna use the HDD to cache. Many games use it. The reason the 360 says it is a 20gb HDD but you only have access to, like, 13gb is because 7gb is set aside for system updates and caching.

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    KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I bought the 360 because it had Mass Effect, Dead Rising, and Ace Combat 6. These are to me 'must-have' titles that would have made me want a PS3 more had they come out on that system. I will get a PS3 eventually because there are games there I want to play too but with the library out now the 360 was my first choice.

    edit: dur, I read goodly

    Yeah I don't think there's one clear case of either console having all the 'better' versions of multi-plat titles like last gen (at least for me I always got the XBox versions). My best advice would be to try the demos on each system and get the one that feels better to you. If those aren't available then my only suggestion would be to read reviews.

    Oh wait, you could befriend fanboys of each system and convince them to buy multi-plat games for their console then see which is better. :lol:

    Or, a coin toss.

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    lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    OP needs to change the title. Far too many posters don't understand that he already has both consoles.

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    FaceballMcDougalFaceballMcDougal Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    There's a new version of Oblivion out for 360 as well. My cousin is an Oblivion FREAK and she scratched her original game so she just up and purchased the 'game of the year' version. It actually performs better (faster loads, smoother running around outside) and I can swear it looks a little different.

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    Lord ShplaneLord Shplane Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    There's a new version of Oblivion out for 360 as well. My cousin is an Oblivion FREAK and she scratched her original game so she just up and purchased the 'game of the year' version. It actually performs better (faster loads, smoother running around outside) and I can swear it looks a little different.

    We already discussed this.

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    Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    A_ccualt wrote: »
    langfor6 wrote: »
    Really? I was under the impression that they are forced to develop games with the HDD-less 360 in mind.

    They can't require the HDD without permission from MS (like for MMOs) but they cna use the HDD to cache. Many games use it. The reason the 360 says it is a 20gb HDD but you only have access to, like, 13gb is because 7gb is set aside for system updates and caching.

    Yes, so far only one game has received permission to require a hard drive. And it seems that MS will really only allow it for MMO type games as A_ccualt said. I hope for 360 fans that Unreal gets permission as well.

    Also in regards to Oblivion on the PS3. Shivering Isles is finally coming to PSN for download. Since I have GOTY edition I'm just waiting Fighters Stronghold. If possible I'm burning the download to DVD.

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    KimFidlerKimFidler Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The deciding factor for me was definitely buying what all my friends have. Almost all my friends have 360s and with all of us getting older, it's starting to become the only way we can all hang out.

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    TahldonTahldon Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Bamelin wrote: »
    Personally I'll always go with the 360 version of a title simply because I

    a. Prefer the 360 controller
    b. Dont' mind paying for Live and have a large Friend's List


    I bought my PS3 strictly for it's exclusives like Warhawk, Eye of Judgement, Rachet and Clank, Uncharted, and upcoming titles in 2008.

    Took the words right out of my mouth. Although, my PS3 library is a little more slim being as though I only own Folklore and am considering Uncharted. (I still have lots of Wii60 games I have to finish :()

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    KimFidlerKimFidler Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I guess I also forgot to mention achievements. I absolutely love the Achievements system and I'm surprised that Sony didn't steal the idea.

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    Lord ShplaneLord Shplane Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    KimFidler wrote: »
    I guess I also forgot to mention achievements. I absolutely love the Achievements system and I'm surprised that Sony didn't steal the idea.

    Like I said before, PS3 owners are getting "Trophies" with Home, which is basically the same thing as achievements.

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