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The death of music television?

cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm RegentBears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
edited January 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
This topic came to mind a long time ago when I saw the descent of MTV into airing programs that had little to nothing to do with music; around the time MTV2 was formed to actually, well, show music-related content.

So I started watching M2 instead.

Then MTV2 started to air the same non-music related nonsense MTV did.

At that point, I'd mostly given up hope. I really don't watch TV at all, and I haven't regularly watched TV since back when M2 started turning away from music also.

Though every once in a while, I'll flip through the music channels to attempt to keep up with some kind of new musical content.

Then I noticed VH1 was going down the same road, probably thanks to the success of all that "I Love The [insert cultural pasttime]" stuff.

When I started watching TV again over the course of the past few weeks(still in extremely small doses, as most everything seems to be a waste of time), I notice that the channel that I thought was the last surviving music channel, of all things, BET, is showing hours upon hours of reality nonsense('Hell Date', which appears to be the only show they have).



Is music television dead? Don't any of these channels remember that they used to be about, well, music?

Maybe it's a moot point in the era of YouTube and what not, but I prefer seeing the new work of artists' get televised here and there, especially since I'm more likely to notice it.


An alternate topic related to this is reality programs' domination of television.

This issue began well before the reality TV craze, I think, but it sure isn't helping the problem.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    It's not surprising that MTV basically started reality TV and now is awash in reality programs.

    I feel like there are still some music tv channels though. There's one called "The Tube" or something like that. But I don't think they're particularly in demand when you can find what you want to watch, with no commercials, on the internet.

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    C'mon, get with the program, it's all about The Hills now.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    For fear of sounding ignorant; The Hills?

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  • Clint EastwoodClint Eastwood My baby's in there someplace She crawled right inRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I haven't watched it personally but what I've heard is that it's a reality show that is "unscripted". The previews I've seen for it make it look worse than your typical daytime soap opera. Seriously.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I didn't think reality and unscripted could be used in the same sentence without it being a contradiction.

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  • MedopineMedopine __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    The Hills is pretty fake.

    For most of these reality shows, if they don't have a script, they have editing and retakes to get the show to turn out how they want.

    Example: a girl from America's Next Top Model reported that they would film the girls reacting to Tyra Banks showing up at their house multiple times if their reaction the first time wasn't loud/screamy enough. Like literally, "c'mon ladies that wasn't good enough, let's do it again."


    But I digress.

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  • Satan.Satan. __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Honestly, I YouTube hop for videos now. It sucks but it's a far better thing than what the networks are coughing up.

    MTVU is alright but they play college indie crap all the time, not a lot of variety after a while.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The Hills is like porn without the sexin' and nekkidness part.

    Also: apparently music videos just don't generate enough money these days. Or at least, not as much as retarded reality shows.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I think it has become much too hard to cater to taste with the advent of the digital age. In earlier years we only had the radio and music television to discover music, but now there are so many other outlets for music that taste and opinion has formed a drastic divergence. The majority of people i've encountered tend to agree that sitting around watching music videos has lost it's appeal.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yes, it's dying. And about fucking time.

    Even MuchMusic has gone down the shitter. And they were actually good years and years after MTV stopped showing music videos.

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  • SithDrummerSithDrummer Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Medopine wrote: »
    It's not surprising that MTV basically started reality TV and now is awash in reality programs.

    I feel like there are still some music tv channels though. There's one called "The Tube" or something like that. But I don't think they're particularly in demand when you can find what you want to watch, with no commercials, on the internet.
    The Tube is kickass; it is the only music TV channel now. They have it running every night at a coffee/liquor brewhouse down the street from me.

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  • DasUberEdwardDasUberEdward Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah on another note I can only stand the majority of the music MTV plays if i'm partying anyway.

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  • GimGim a tall glass of water Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Music television is only dead if both the music and the television go away. They've done a good job of killing the music. The television, unfortunately, is still there. Get back to me when they all liquidate their assets.

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  • oldsakoldsak Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It's dead for all intents and purposes if nobody broadcasts it or watches it.

    That being said, didn't music television kill music? Its death couldn't be a bad thing.

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  • PodlyPodly you unzipped me! it's all coming back! i don't like it!Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Ummm....

    ..what about the internet?

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  • nervenerve Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Even FUSE is starting to lack music content which sucks because they had some cool shows, especially all the WARPED coverage they had, which I think they show a lot less of these days. Eighty percent of the times that I flip by the channel they are showing a terrible B movie.

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  • CorvusCorvus . VancouverRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Interwebs Killed the Video Star.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Well what's happened is the downfall of MTV has left a vacuum in demand for music videos. They're really the only major outlet for them. Now if they don't want that many videos they simply will not get made.

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  • ShoggothShoggoth Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Oh? MTV plays music now? Weird.

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fuse is always playing like some BMX biking or skating crap whenever I see it

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  • L|amaL|ama Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    MTV played terrible music, now they play barely any music at all. A good thing, in my opinion. Here in New Zealand we have an independent music channel which plays some decent stuff, but they try too hard to cover all aspects of 'alternative' so it's only every now and then that there's a specific hour or two of stuff that I like. There's also a metal show at 1am on friday nights (saturday morning) that plays decent music on the main national station, which is good, but a really bad timeslot.

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  • Mithrandir86Mithrandir86 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    Yes, it's dying. And about fucking time.

    Even MuchMusic has gone down the shitter. And they were actually good years and years after MTV stopped showing music videos.

    MuchMusic has basically turned itself into Teen Celebrity News & Style. I think there was even a show called the "IT LIST" for a while, which was a list of the all the fun products that boys and girls should buy that week.

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  • Kipling217Kipling217 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah I remember the days when MTV showed music, not only late at night and early in the day, but in PRIMETIME.

    Those where the good/bad old days. When instead of real programing you had to watch and hope that the next video was from a band you actually liked, instead of the samme crap over and over again. the current reality format is an improvement really. Can you stand waiting half an hour of teenybopper crap for your video to come on ONCE?

    Plus the reality shows are a better investment for MTV than videos. Seeing as they don't own the music videos, but do own shows like the Osbornes/Newlyweds/Real World and can sell them around the world for straight cash.

    Beside they invented the genre to begin with, what is Survivor/Big Brother but a diffrent version of The Real World?

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    Yes, it's dying. And about fucking time.

    Even MuchMusic has gone down the shitter. And they were actually good years and years after MTV stopped showing music videos.

    MuchMusic has basically turned itself into Teen Celebrity News & Style. I think there was even a show called the "IT LIST" for a while, which was a list of the all the fun products that boys and girls should buy that week.

    Pretty fucking sad really. Well, at least the competent people they used to have have all left.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    MTV/MTV2 still play music videos from about 1am - 6:30am. It's great insomnia watching.

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  • AzioAzio Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    MTV/MuchMusic/VH1 have pretty much been dead to me since Yahoo Music (formerly Launch) let you stream music videos for free back in 1999. I understand Much has been on a downslope for many years, but things really started to go to shit around the time George Stromboulombomboulopoulos left to work for the CBC.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Azio wrote: »
    MTV/MuchMusic/VH1 have pretty much been dead to me since Yahoo Music (formerly Launch) let you stream music videos for free back in 1999. I understand Much has been on a downslope for many years, but things really started to go to shit around the time George Stromboulombomboulopoulos left to work for the CBC.

    Yeah. All the new people they hired to replace the old ones are like soulless automatons or something. Might be due to them having to act all excited about playing the crap music they put on air these days.

    VJ: "OMG, it's the new Avril song!!!" <slowly dies inside>

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  • monikermoniker Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Corvus wrote: »
    Interwebs Killed the Video Star.

    This needs to be recorded.

    And then posted on YouTube.

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  • FirstComradeStalinFirstComradeStalin Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I really don't care about music videos. I mean, it's cool that they're there and a few interesting ones come up every now and then. But when I listen to music, it's rarely the same time that I'd want to watch something. And when I want to watch something, I'd rather have an actual show than watch the band play their song.

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  • Masked_MulletMasked_Mullet Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    MuchMusic still play the Punk Show and Loud? that's the only thing that is good on Muchmusic, but i can't find it anymore.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Watching MTV lets you know what's on MTV, which is to say that it's a nice way to catch up on what the commercial music of the moment is.

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  • MalkorMalkor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    MrMister wrote: »
    Watching MTV lets you know what's on MTV, which is to say that it's a nice way to catch up on what the commercial music of the moment is.
    As far as I can tell, their selection is more limited than Top 40.

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  • BrainleechBrainleech 機知に富んだコメントはここにあります Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Mtv although at night does play videos they play the same ones about every so many hours.
    Here we get latin music video channels and they still play music videos
    I really find MTV for years to be pretentious and quite annoying like I care about what's in fashion

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  • nexuscrawlernexuscrawler Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I did a editing project for MTv a while bak and had t watch like upteen hours of VMAs and TRL. it was sickening how every thirty seconds was an advertisement for something. Like the channel literally does nothing without like 50 sponsor and in-show ads.

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  • tallgeezetallgeeze Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I tried watching MTV for some music related programming, but I couldn't get past the Real World/Alien head Tequila marathon.

    Unless it's some contrived music award show I doubt I'm gonna see actual music on the channel anymore.

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  • MrMisterMrMister Jesus dying on the cross in pain? Morally better than us. One has to go "all in".Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    tallgeeze wrote: »
    I tried watching MTV for some music related programming, but I couldn't get past the Real World/Alien head Tequila marathon.

    Unless it's some contrived music award show I doubt I'm gonna see actual music on the channel anymore.

    Watch late at night. There isn't that much variety, but they do, in fact, show music videos in the wee hours of the morning.

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  • The Green Eyed MonsterThe Green Eyed Monster i blame hip hop Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The worst is that they have strict guidelines about what videos they will and will not show -- production values, length, content, etc. -- so the days of interesting, creative videos are more or less dead. Add into that every label won't make a video unless it features a healthy dose of the artist in front of the camera, because that's how you sell records -- duh -- you get even more stale, formulaic crap. I'll still watch them as filler when flipping channels, but they really aren't as cool as they were when I was younger.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I don't think I've even seen a music video from the last 10 years or so. Do they still make awesome music videos like Pearl Jam's "Evolution?" Back in my day (mostly a joke, I'm only 22) I would watch artistic music videos even if I didn't like the song because often times songs I didn't like would have clever or creative concepts behind the visual aspect of the music video.

    Edit: It appears as if Celery has answered my question.

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  • AldoAldo Hippo Hooray Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I don't think I've even seen a music video from the last 10 years or so. Do they still make awesome music videos like Pearl Jam's "Evolution?" Back in my day (mostly a joke, I'm only 22) I would watch artistic music videos even if I didn't like the song because often times songs I didn't like would have clever or creative concepts behind the visual aspect of the music video.

    Edit: It appears as if Celery has answered my question.
    There's still some awesome stuff out there. See Mika's happy ending or Modest Mouse's Ocean Breathes salty for example. But it doesn't get as much airtime as the latest generic hip hop artist.

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  • tallgeezetallgeeze Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    MrMister wrote: »
    tallgeeze wrote: »
    I tried watching MTV for some music related programming, but I couldn't get past the Real World/Alien head Tequila marathon.

    Unless it's some contrived music award show I doubt I'm gonna see actual music on the channel anymore.

    Watch late at night. There isn't that much variety, but they do, in fact, show music videos in the wee hours of the morning.


    I think I tried that once. Nothing but crappy dating shows were on. Let me tell you, we can start a whole new thread on how crappy the one liners are in those shows.

    Maybe once I get off a day during the week I will check it out at like 1-2pm. Do they even show TRL anymore?

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