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Animal board game (Full set on bottom of p. 2)

ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
edited February 2010 in Artist's Corner
So, there's this game, Dou Shou Qi.

It's a Chinese board game that's in some ways similar to Xiang Qi (often called Chinese Chess), and in some ways, a predecessor to Stratego. Here's the Wikipedia page for those interested.

To sum it up, it has two teams of animals: each consisting of a mouse, cat, dog, wolf, leopard, tiger, lion, and elephant. Each piece has a numerical strength value assigned to it and can only defeat an opponent of a lesser value. The exception being the mouse which can defeat the elephant.

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  • sonictksonictk Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Oh shit I used to play this all the time during the post-exam school break with my classmates. It is TOTALLY not similar in any way to chinese chess, though, who the hell came up with that analogy?

    I'm curious as to what you're doing here though: the pieces are wood and circular...not cards. What exactly do you have in mind for these designs? To be screenprinted onto small round pieces as well? Or are these just illustrations for the various units in the game?

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It's similarities are minimal, as in it's an abstract strategy game of piece movement with it's roots in China. Both boards have an area representing water, the lakes and the river. That's about it. I discovered the game through someone as they were all, "If you like Xiangqi, you'll probably like Dou Shou Qi as well."

    Here's a pic of what I'm doing with the pieces:
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    That was the first prototype that I threw together to see how everything would look. The differences in the final version will be that the board will be full color, wrap-a-round graphics; the pieces will be a stiff, laminated, cardstock; and the card stands that hold up the pieces will be colored plastic, blue and orange respectively for each team.

    The rectangular borders on the drawings in the OP are not going to be printed, they are just guidelines for the edges of the pieces.

    Most traditional sets are wooden discs. There are cheap sets available that have stickers on plastic discs. As long as the piece is visible from both sides, using card stands shouldn't affect the gameplay. In fact, my favorite set comes out of Brazil. It has a cloth, rollout board and cast metal playing pieces. I'd love to have one, but am unable to get one in the states for a reasonable price.

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  • sonictksonictk Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    That is an...unusual board setup you have thought up, to say the least. I'd prefer playing with the actual wood pieces, but yeah it shouldn't be detrimental to gameplay.

    Anyway, so far the mouse card looks nice, but the inking seems a little unpolished, like the ends of your strokes are mostly round ended, perhaps some erasing to thin them out would help? Also that stray inked line on his head near his right eye seems a little out of place.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah, I wanted to be able to pump out a few copies of this when I was done, so carving / sculpting / casting weren't options. I also have in all seriousness, ten thousand cardstands in assorted colors already, so I'm definitely wanting to use those.

    As for the inking, I'll probably go back and do some touch ups and taper off some of the blunt ends and remove the line from his forehead. It was left over from eyebrow whiskers that I opted not to keep. I'll post it again when I do.

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  • Dance CommanderDance Commander Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    This looks like a fun game. Is there anyplace in the states I could buy it? I haven't had much luck searching for 'animal chess' or 'dou shou qi' on google.

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  • sonictksonictk Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    This looks like a fun game. Is there anyplace in the states I could buy it? I haven't had much luck searching for 'animal chess' or 'dou shou qi' on google.
    I have no idea about the states, but it's pretty much sold only in mom-and-pop stores here apart from school bookshops when exams end. Maybe visit your local Chinatown or something?

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It's most commonly marketed as "the Jungle game" in the states.

    There's two versions that are usually sold on ebay.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    This looks like a fun game. Is there anyplace in the states I could buy it? I haven't had much luck searching for 'animal chess' or 'dou shou qi' on google.

    If interested, here is a free downloadable version for windows. I've been messing around on it for a bit to get a feel for the game.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I've added the dog to the OP.

    I needed to choose a breed of dog that in no way could be confused with a wolf. I also thought the miniature schnauzer would make a cool looking vagabondish ronin with his ungroomed beard, tail, and eyebrows.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I don't suppose you could lengthen the blade a bit? Right now it looks like a one-handed sword.

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  • Stupid Mr Whoopsie NameStupid Mr Whoopsie Name Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited December 2007
    I really like this idea, it seems neat!

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    So I decided to pick this project back up. Looking back over my pics, I think I'll completely redraw the sword for the dog.

    It's been long enough, that I'm sure there's a few new faces around. If anyone has any feedback on what I've done so far, shoot it this way.

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  • MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    You're supposed to be finishing your comic!

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    shit, i've got something like 40 hours a week just for fucking around. i'll be doing both this summer.

    i'm actually wanting to pump this out for the kids in my sunday class.

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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Oh man I love me some Stratego, and your arts are looking good.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    Thanks, Adam.

    I've got a delicate balance here.... I'm making a Chinese boardgame with personified animals in assorted eastern martial arts.

    My goal is for it to look "fun and for kids" and not "weeaboo and furry"

    I'll draw some more tonight and post some progress.

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  • sgt scruffiansgt scruffian Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    I love what you have so far, but I am curious about the piece layout. I take it that Dou Shou Qi is dissimilar to Stratego in that your opponent is aware of the position of your troops? I ask this because your design displays the image of the mouse (for example) on both sides, which would mean both parties are aware of every piece's location.

    In regard to your artistic designs, I think the lines could due to be thinned a bit. Especially if you are going to produce the actual pieces in full color. The oriental wardrobe on both units is an obvious choice, but I'm wondering if you might provide a bit more character to them? From what I gathered of the game, each piece is of a numerical value, with the mouse being one and the elephant being eight. You might take this as a representation of their prowess and dress/arm them accordingly? Or perhaps their representative animal is enough? Just a thought.

    Other than that, great stuff you've got here, I'm really impressed by the creativity of it all. I wish I had the determination and talent required for projects like this.

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  • slacktronslacktron Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    The artwork is a great balance.

    It's complex enough to communicate the character of the animal/fighting style, but simple enough fit on a game piece and remain recognizable.

    What I would suggest would be to put the images on thick tiles that can be stood up for a partial-knowledge game like Stratego, or all laid flat for the stochastic 'full-knowledge' game of Jungle/Dou Shou Qi.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited June 2009
    As for the piece shape, it's based on the materials I have available. I ordered 10,000 of those plastic stands years ago for some other project I never did, and I really want to use them.

    The final laminated cardstock pieces look a little better than the flimsy ones I have posted. I'll drag them out of the closet sometime and photograph them.

    Yeah, unlike Stratego, the rank of each piece is knowledge available to both players. Therefore this game doesn't have the bluffing element of Stratego, but I also think it's targeted towards a younger audience.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Change of plans as I outlined in the OP.

    I'm using the supplies that I have and am having the kids that I teach each week do these. They're making all the art and everything. I'm doing the printing/constructing for them.

    There are five kids and each one will be doing a set.

    Here's one of the kid's pieces (12-yr-old girl):

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  • VistiVisti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Those are pretty sweet..

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    yeah, the kids did these in pencils. I scanned and bumped the levels around and am printing two copies for each kid so that they can color a set for each of their teams.

    here's another batch (10-yr-old boy):

    The first day we were doing these, the kids were giving all of the animals weapons and clothes and stuff which is cool, but after a few, most started drawing them without.

    This kid had 5 done with storm trooper helmets and weapons all drawn very simplistically, and I convince him to use a reference book I provided for the leopard (bottom left). After doing it, I had him redo the rest of his with the reference and he stopped putting the guns and stuff in when he did. I like how crazy out of place the leopard's heavy machine gun is because of it.

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  • VistiVisti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    There's a lot of artist that try emulating kid style drawings, but they're always missing that special something. I love these.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    yeah, i enjoy working with them. I really dig the work that each kid does.


    I think this kid's leopard (bottom left) is my favorite out of all of them. Also he chose to put his cat on what looks to be an armored donkey.

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Tell those kids that they need to do more life studies. No seriously, these are too adorable! Especially the random machine gun leopard! I love that one the most.

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  • McGibsMcGibs TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I love the alligator-wolf on the second one. Bugger has a huge gob.

    I almost want to take a couple of these and do my own renders based on them. The wolf with the axe and shield is also pretty badass, as is the Polynesian looking tiger with the bone in its nose (and bow on it's head).

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  • VistiVisti Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    The 10-year olds are awesome. I want to knick some of those designs. But I probably shouldn't.
    Although it would be like stealing drawings from children.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    I'm glad you guys dig. I've got one more kid's drawings to scan and I'll do that when I get home from work tomorrow.

    They started decorating their boxes last week. Hopefully they'll have enough time to color all of their pieces this upcoming week and then they'll spend a couple of weeks finishing their boxes and a couple of weeks designing their boards.

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  • RubberACRubberAC Sidney BC!Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    You should take the best of each animal and redraw them and make your set out of those
    Of course that would just be an entire set of machine gun leopards

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Here's the last one (12-yr-old boy):

    His leopard is pretty crazy, but its his cat and wolf that really entertain me.

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  • McGibsMcGibs TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited July 2009
    plate-mail elephant ftw.

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  • ZombiemamboZombiemambo Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    That kid has some real ambition.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    some colors

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  • sgt scruffiansgt scruffian Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    the elephant on that first one is probably my favorite of the batch.

    these kids are going places.

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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Oh shit that lion in the first one is like all Whhaachaaa!!

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  • MustangMustang Arbiter of Unpopular Opinions Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    Oh shit that lion in the first one is like all Whhaachaaa!!

    Would you say he had....'tude?

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  • earthwormadamearthwormadam ancient crust Registered User regular
    edited July 2009
    most certainly

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  • VistiVisti Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    I'm still all over the wolf in the third to last one on the previous page. It is just awesome.

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  • ManonvonSuperockManonvonSuperock Registered User regular
    edited August 2009
    More colors:

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  • MagicToasterMagicToaster JapanRegistered User regular
    edited August 2009
    Gun panther is back!

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