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I have a friend who went to Trinity (the Christian school). He was very into weightlifting and gained 20 lbs over a semester. They accused him of doing steroids and kicked him out.
I thought I remember that section of Liars ending with Franken kind of feeling bad and figuring that it was a free country, and if thats how people wanted to live their lives it was ok.
Yes, that's true. Well, sort of. If not "ok," at least "without being harassed."
I have a friend that's going to BJU. He's super conservative and likes it there. Apparently they have a good music program among other things. He got a girlfriend there, though I'm not exactly sure how with all their rules.
I considered going there for a bit (He told me it was stinking cheap, but I haven't looked it up for myself yet) but once I started thinking about how I could get around the media censorship, I decided it probably wasn't a place you should go to if you didn't already follow those rules anyway.
Kinda scary how parents are so willing to cripple their kid's futures
That's just the thing. These parents don't believe that they are crippling their kids by sending them there. For instance, my ex's family believed that it was the best thing for her. The parents are hyper religious and believed that one of those universities would be the best place she could get an education and good religious education (as well as a husband, probably).
The sad part is their academics were WAY under par.
To each their own. I can only hope these kind of outliers stay on the fringe.
A good number of them are working in the Executive branch at the moment.
And don't think all religious schools are as crazy or idiotic as some of these unacreditted behemoths. Jesuits, for instance, aren't insane and offer excellent educations.
Brandeis University.
Orthodox Jewish school thats respected on the secular level.
I don't know of any Christian equivalent though.
My old preacher went to BJU. I remember him telling us a big story about how when was dating his wife at BJU, their big hot time was sitting next to each other at a baseball game because he was able to put his elbow on her knee while they sat in the grass without getting in trouble.
He actually blushed telling that story.
What's crazy is, compared to Pensacola Christian College and its system of demerits and student-on-student encouraged snitching, BJU is downright liberal. At least BJU is happy keeping the crazy to itself.
My old preacher went to BJU. I remember him telling us a big story about how when was dating his wife at BJU, their big hot time was sitting next to each other at a baseball game because he was able to put his elbow on her knee while they sat in the grass without getting in trouble.
He actually blushed telling that story.
Man, sexuality in fundamentalist Christianity is just beyond me.
I have a friend who went to Trinity (the Christian school). He was very into weightlifting and gained 20 lbs over a semester. They accused him of doing steroids and kicked him out.
Kinda scary how parents are so willing to cripple their kid's futures
That's just the thing. These parents don't believe that they are crippling their kids by sending them there. For instance, my ex's family believed that it was the best thing for her. The parents are hyper religious and believed that one of those universities would be the best place she could get an education and good religious education (as well as a husband, probably).
The sad part is their academics were WAY under par.
To each their own. I can only hope these kind of outliers stay on the fringe.
A good number of them are working in the Executive branch at the moment.
And don't think all religious schools are as crazy or idiotic as some of these unacreditted behemoths. Jesuits, for instance, aren't insane and offer excellent educations.
Brandeis University.
Orthodox Jewish school thats respected on the secular level.
I don't know of any Christian equivalent though.
brandeis is a kickass school
I almost went there and i'm pretty well agnostic
they get their funding from the jewish community, but they try to keep the organization and running of the school as secular as they can and stuff. I mean sure they run a culture that caters to their jewish students but as a completely agnostic high school student visiting, i didnt feel at all uncomfortable or out of place any more than i would have at any other institution(They have great food at their student union too)
This place sounds a lot like Trinity Western University (TWU), which is quite close to where I live. A couple of my buddies went there once for a weekend tour thing, and they said it had some of the same crazy rules. No co-ed dorms, must sign some kind of contract that forbids stuff like drinking, smoking, sex, drug usage, and I think atheism as well. It's also private, so the tuition is absolutely insane.
Forbidding R-rated movies and non-Christian music is not uncommon as well.
I actually went through a phase where I was looking at schools like these. *shudder*
Do they have exceptions for The Passion of the Christ?
Wait, Gibson is an evil Roman Catholic. Never mind.
My GF's best friend's husband got kicked out of a Bible college. They were only engaged at the time, but he got her pregnant and the administration was like "Leave quietly or we'll expel you". It was funny because this was only like 6 months before the wedding too. So they moved the date so she wouldn't look pregnant in the wedding photos.
What's crazy is, compared to Pensacola Christian College and its system of demerits and student-on-student encouraged snitching, BJU is downright liberal. At least BJU is happy keeping the crazy to itself.
I think I've heard of this. Don't they give rewards to students for ratting each other out. (Amanda was wearing a skirt that showed her knees while driving on the weekend!) The thing that bothers me is that these people have to heard of the Pharisees.
Kinda scary how parents are so willing to cripple their kid's futures
That's just the thing. These parents don't believe that they are crippling their kids by sending them there. For instance, my ex's family believed that it was the best thing for her. The parents are hyper religious and believed that one of those universities would be the best place she could get an education and good religious education (as well as a husband, probably).
The sad part is their academics were WAY under par.
To each their own. I can only hope these kind of outliers stay on the fringe.
A good number of them are working in the Executive branch at the moment.
And don't think all religious schools are as crazy or idiotic as some of these unacreditted behemoths. Jesuits, for instance, aren't insane and offer excellent educations.
Brandeis University.
Orthodox Jewish school thats respected on the secular level.
I don't know of any Christian equivalent though.
brandeis is a kickass school
I almost went there and i'm pretty well agnostic
they get their funding from the jewish community, but they try to keep the organization and running of the school as secular as they can and stuff. I mean sure they run a culture that caters to their jewish students but as a completely agnostic high school student visiting, i didnt feel at all uncomfortable or out of place any more than i would have at any other institution(They have great food at their student union too)
Most Catholic Schools are similarly run. Like they cater to Catholics and require people to take relgion classes but for the most part they don't go out of their way to make people feel unwelcome.
In my town, we have one of the Catholic colleges in the northwest. It has a great medical program, but yeah, it's absurdly expensive and they force you to take some theology classes. That's not so much a problem, but they pay their theology teachers and religious staff far more than any other department. Imagine, a religious institution that makes oodles of money, but only gives it to the higher up clergy. Zany.
In Al Franken's book, he 'infiltrates' BJU to find out what the fuck is going. He said they were all very nice, albeit a little weird in that sheltered "I don't seem to mind that I have all these rules" way.
Kinda scary how parents are so willing to cripple their kid's futures
That's just the thing. These parents don't believe that they are crippling their kids by sending them there. For instance, my ex's family believed that it was the best thing for her. The parents are hyper religious and believed that one of those universities would be the best place she could get an education and good religious education (as well as a husband, probably).
The sad part is their academics were WAY under par.
To each their own. I can only hope these kind of outliers stay on the fringe.
A good number of them are working in the Executive branch at the moment.
And don't think all religious schools are as crazy or idiotic as some of these unacreditted behemoths. Jesuits, for instance, aren't insane and offer excellent educations.
Brandeis University.
Orthodox Jewish school thats respected on the secular level.
I don't know of any Christian equivalent though.
Jesuit schools. My sister went to Marquette and a cousin went to Loyola (there are many others, just not within a 2 hour drive from my home). Either of them are well respected and rank highly in one department or the other. Loyola has a great medical program, IIRC, and Marquette's pretty good at engineering. Also, basketball.
Hah. They don't even offer a Philosophy degree. I wonder why...
This place sounds a lot like Trinity Western University (TWU), which is quite close to where I live. A couple of my buddies went there once for a weekend tour thing, and they said it had some of the same crazy rules. No co-ed dorms, must sign some kind of contract that forbids stuff like drinking, smoking, sex, drug usage, and I think atheism as well. It's also private, so the tuition is absolutely insane.
It's terrible. Institutions like these are just batshit.
I actually go to Summit Pacific College which is affiliated with TWU (I just finished a history class from there this morning) and the rules arent that crazy. There's no contract, just an expectation that you will act as a Christian should. It makes sense, if you're not living like a Christian, then why go to a Christian university or college?
Why are they 'batshit'? I'm really liking my education, and I dont have to deal with roomates having sex in front of me, smokey hallways and drunk people. Anyway, I should go study for my Hebrew final.
Why are they 'batshit'? I'm really liking my education, and I dont have to deal with roomates having sex in front of me, smokey hallways and drunk people. Anyway, I should go study for my Hebrew final.
What the hell? Where did you get your image of non-religious universities? Frat movies?
Anyway, I'd say there's a happy medium between what you describe and, say, flipping out if a student watches Edward Scissorhands. Or listens to B.B. King. Or if a female student does something crazy like wear pants.
Yeah, thats pretty out there.
Our rules are way more lax, no movies 18+ (though even that is pliable, like we watch Garden State and skip over the 'hotel scene'), no co-ed wings, etc. I dont understand the whole pants-on-girls thing, our dress code is mainly about modesty.
I think the important thing is the intent of the rules, to act according to Christian teaching. Even if someone doesnt see the need for a rule, its kinda easy to follow it for a couple years to adhere to a college's standards. Plus, theres always christmas and summer, I dont think im going to spend all of my break completely sober.
Also, I think its hard to some people to accept because they view the college years and the 'crazy' years. Not everyone wants to experience all that.
Oh yeah, and about people having to go to a Christian college, that would suck. They should really only be specialy schools. Are they that prevelant in the US?
Why are they 'batshit'? I'm really liking my education, and I dont have to deal with roomates having sex in front of me, smokey hallways and drunk people. Anyway, I should go study for my Hebrew final.
What the hell? Where did you get your image of non-religious universities? Frat movies?
Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but I guarantee you are more likely to see them at a non-religious university than at mine. And my friends tell me they are a bit of a regular occurence at their schools.
Also, I think its hard to some people to accept because they view the college years and the 'crazy' years. Not everyone wants to experience all that.
Ostensibly after college you go on and live your life on your own. There are no chaperones, no one to tell you when you go to sleep, who you can date, or what you can or can't ingest. BJU doesn't sound like they're preparing young people to face life, it sounds like they're institutionalizing them even more than they probably are.
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Also, I think its hard to some people to accept because they view the college years and the 'crazy' years. Not everyone wants to experience all that.
Ostensibly after college you go on and live your life on your own. There are no chaperones, no one to tell you when you go to sleep, who you can date, or what you can or can't ingest. BJU doesn't sound like they're preparing young people to face life, it sounds like they're institutionalizing them even more than they probably are.
Yeah, in general college is a nice sort of stopgap between having your parents (more or less) control your life and being completely on your own with all the freedom in the world. But hey, I'm sure BJU is preparing their students to go into life dependent on the presence of an authority figure, which if nothing else ensures that they'll remain good terrified Christians their whole lives.
Why are they 'batshit'? I'm really liking my education, and I dont have to deal with roomates having sex in front of me, smokey hallways and drunk people. Anyway, I should go study for my Hebrew final.
What the hell? Where did you get your image of non-religious universities? Frat movies?
Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but I guarantee you are more likely to see them at a non-religious university than at mine. And my friends tell me they are a bit of a regular occurence at their schools.
I'm also guaranteed to have someone force themselves into my home and inject me with heroin, I guess. I never saw this here at a state school and I've had random roommates. If one of my roommates brought a girl back to nail, I'd 1) make myself scarce for a few hours or 2) just go crash on the suitemate's futon.
I doubt many people going to schools like this have any desire to function in the "real world" as most of us see it.
That's very true. The afore mentioned ex who went to the crazy bible college (now identified as Landmark Baptist College) was just expecting to get married and be a housewife. You really don't need much formal education for that.
Anyway, I'd say there's a happy medium between what you describe and, say, flipping out if a student watches Edward Scissorhands. Or listens to B.B. King. Or if a female student does something crazy like wear pants.
Yeah, thats pretty out there.
Our rules are way more lax, no movies 18+ (though even that is pliable, like we watch Garden State and skip over the 'hotel scene'), no co-ed wings, etc. I dont understand the whole pants-on-girls thing, our dress code is mainly about modesty. I think the important thing is the intent of the rules, to act according to Christian teaching. Even if someone doesnt see the need for a rule, its kinda easy to follow it for a couple years to adhere to a college's standards. Plus, theres always christmas and summer, I dont think im going to spend all of my break completely sober.
Also, I think its hard to some people to accept because they view the college years and the 'crazy' years. Not everyone wants to experience all that.
Oh yeah, and about people having to go to a Christian college, that would suck. They should really only be specialy schools. Are they that prevelant in the US?
No 18+ movies? I know you're not joking, but rules like this specifically beg the question: are you joking? You're in college. The primary problem here and in other examples is that a university should not be babying and coddling its students, nor trying to shelter them from the real world. It creates a whole environment of naïveté when it works and an aura of cynical bitterness when it doesn't. Worse still, many of the rules (and they're certainly enforced as such, not according to their "intent") have no justification in Christian teaching - no drinking/smoking and no skirts are two very obvious examples. Unfortunately, the people that go there are often uncomfortable challenging them, even in their own minds, which is why you get bullshit rationalizations like "not everyone wants to be exposed to the craziness of college". It's hard to admit (or maybe even be convinced!) that you can isolate yourself from things like that at a secular school as well. The truly sad part is that many of the students don't want to admit that their university is creating an insular bubble that will actively stifle their growth and "protect" :roll: them from the outside world instead of preparing them for it.
I speak as confidently about this as anyone because I graduated from Oral Roberts University a year and a half ago. This naïve acceptance is exactly the attitude that engulfed a large portion of the student body, and while they were great people besides, it really grated on you how much they were able to accept without a challenge. Of course, we were also nowhere near as bad as BJU - I recall quite a lot of people making fun of their archaic regulations for dating and such.
I actually go to Summit Pacific College which is affiliated with TWU (I just finished a history class from there this morning) and the rules arent that crazy. There's no contract, just an expectation that you will act as a Christian should. It makes sense, if you're not living like a Christian, then why go to a Christian university or college?
Why are they 'batshit'? I'm really liking my education, and I dont have to deal with roomates having sex in front of me, smokey hallways and drunk people. Anyway, I should go study for my Hebrew final.
Oh, yes, cause everyone who doesn't go to a Christian university are moral-less and doomed to hell. I go to a pretty big public university, and I don't have "roommates having sex in front of me", people aren't allowed to smoke inside buildings, and drunk people don't bother you unless you go looking for them. There's a difference between "living like a Christian" and having morals.
To find a safe haven from the drug-filled orgies that I could never find, Virginia Tech had dorms with a few floors reserved for the WELL, which was supposedly substance-free and advocated some spiritual wellness stuff. I imagine these sorts of programs are found on other campuses.
I speak as confidently about this as anyone because I graduated from Oral Roberts University a year and a half ago. This naïve acceptance is exactly the attitude that engulfed a large portion of the student body, and while they were great people besides, it really grated on you how much they were able to accept without a challenge. Of course, we were also nowhere near as bad as BJU - I recall quite a lot of people making fun of their archaic regulations for dating and such.
Oh hey, I was actually wondering what opinion Oral Roberts University students have of Oral Roberts, especially in light of the recent problems.
Jesuit schools. My sister went to Marquette and a cousin went to Loyola (there are many others, just not within a 2 hour drive from my home). Either of them are well respected and rank highly in one department or the other. Loyola has a great medical program, IIRC, and Marquette's pretty good at engineering. Also, basketball.
I went to Marquette myself and yea, you have to take some religion classes, but there aren't any student rules that are out there or religious in any way. Even the classes I had to take that were taught by priests were pretty good because most of the priests there are laid back. The story goes that back before the drinking age was raised to 21 in Wisconsin the Jesuits would have occasional keg parties at the Jesuit residence for students to come over to on the weekends.
Kinda scary how parents are so willing to cripple their kid's futures
That's just the thing. These parents don't believe that they are crippling their kids by sending them there. For instance, my ex's family believed that it was the best thing for her. The parents are hyper religious and believed that one of those universities would be the best place she could get an education and good religious education (as well as a husband, probably).
The sad part is their academics were WAY under par.
To each their own. I can only hope these kind of outliers stay on the fringe.
A good number of them are working in the Executive branch at the moment.
And don't think all religious schools are as crazy or idiotic as some of these unacreditted behemoths. Jesuits, for instance, aren't insane and offer excellent educations.
Brandeis University.
Orthodox Jewish school thats respected on the secular level.
I don't know of any Christian equivalent though.
Jesuit schools. My sister went to Marquette and a cousin went to Loyola (there are many others, just not within a 2 hour drive from my home). Either of them are well respected and rank highly in one department or the other. Loyola has a great medical program, IIRC, and Marquette's pretty good at engineering. Also, basketball.
My alma mater, Bethel College in Kansas, is really good. We have a really high percentage of graduates who go on to get doctorates. And no drinking on campus. And they have rules about premarital sex, saying basically don't do it cause it can lead to problems. But they don't do much about it. Only 2 of the dorms have rules about intervisitation and thats just after midnight (2 on the weekends.) They ,ay have removed intervis entirely by now. A lot of it they just keep around to placate older board members.
Hah. They don't even offer a Philosophy degree. I wonder why...
This place sounds a lot like Trinity Western University (TWU), which is quite close to where I live. A couple of my buddies went there once for a weekend tour thing, and they said it had some of the same crazy rules. No co-ed dorms, must sign some kind of contract that forbids stuff like drinking, smoking, sex, drug usage, and I think atheism as well. It's also private, so the tuition is absolutely insane.
It's terrible. Institutions like these are just batshit.
I actually go to Summit Pacific College which is affiliated with TWU (I just finished a history class from there this morning) and the rules arent that crazy. There's no contract, just an expectation that you will act as a Christian should. It makes sense, if you're not living like a Christian, then why go to a Christian university or college?
Why are they 'batshit'? I'm really liking my education, and I dont have to deal with roomates having sex in front of me, smokey hallways and drunk people. Anyway, I should go study for my Hebrew final.
They are batshit for a number of reasons. First, University is an institution of higher learning for adults and by adults. Why, as an adult, should I be subject to some of these crazy and absurd restrictions? I'm not in the military, so the absurd rules that prevent me from drinking/smoking/sexing/wearing whatever I want whenever I want serves no purpose: it doesn't help keep me alive, nor does me doing these things adversely affect the morale or espirit de corps of the wider force. Indeed, one of the main goals of a university is to expose its students and instructors to a plurality of viewpoints, lifestyles, and positions. How can that ever be accomplished when there is only one approved message allowed to be spoken and aired on campus?
Second, I take issue with the automatic assumption that because I am a certain age, or a certain gender, I'm going to be automatically doing cocaine and having sex in the hallways. There may be people who act like that, but I can guarantee you 100% that the vast majority of adults out there don't. I find this assumption of predisposition to act certain ways to be all too familiar to an assumption of guilt; I'm an adult, and I'm a student, and I go to university. That doesn't make me guilty or even more likely to be guilty of such actions than most other people.
Finally, I believe that questions of moral conduct have no place within an academic institution. While I may agree with Machiavelli and Plato in the belief that certain types of (what could be considered moral) conduct ought to be enforced by the wider culture and society (don't kill, don't steal, don't be a biggot), I think that the University does not share this prerogative. In fact, I believe that any attempt to have the university as an institution enforce these rather dubious restrictions on actions by students are incompatible with academic freedom, and, as such, have no place in an academic institution like a university. The qualities of citizenship ought to be learned in elementary and secondary school, and through wider interaction within one's society over the course of one's life - that includes not just the social mores of the wider nation, but can indeed include other types of "citizenship," including being a Christian. As soon as you foist that role onto an institution that is entirely unsuited for it, you are going to have major problems.
In the case of the university, that role violates the common assumption with regards to students (they are adults, should be treated as other adults are treated), and also serves to undermine the basic tenet of academic freedom. It speaks volumes to the sect of group who advocate such a program for the university, and what it says is none too flattering.
To be totally fair to hesth, I've had at least 3 instances of my roomie last year having sex with his girlfriend while I was in the room (once, during Mom's Weekend, while my mom was in the room). One of my best friends and an ex-roomie had a closeted gay guy for his roomie sophomore year and the guy had sex with dudes rather often in their room. We're both attending Ohio University, a state college.
But still, that's a part of life. The guy who had sex in ym room I honestly didn't take that much issue with because it's a natural thing, albeit an odd time to engage in copulation when an unrelated party's in the room. I was actually mroe pissed off by the fact that he didn't clean up after himself and the room would go weeks with his nasty ass clothes piling up all over the place.
But once again, dealing with people who may not behave in a manner you find acceptable or easy to deal with is a part of life. College has done an indescribable amount to improve my social skills, often through trial and error but at least I had the oppurtunity to make the mistake and learn from it. I really don't see the point of a college that shelters its students from the realities of the world they will be living and interacting in, both good and bad.
To be totally fair to hesth, I've had at least 3 instances of my roomie last year having sex with his girlfriend while I was in the room (once, during Mom's Weekend, while my mom was in the room). One of my best friends and an ex-roomie had a closeted gay guy for his roomie sophomore year and the guy had sex with dudes rather often in their room. We're both attending Ohio University, a state college.
But still, that's a part of life. The guy who had sex in ym room I honestly didn't take that much issue with because it's a natural thing, albeit an odd time to engage in copulation when an unrelated party's in the room. I was actually mroe pissed off by the fact that he didn't clean up after himself and the room would go weeks with his nasty ass clothes piling up all over the place.
But once again, dealing with people who may not behave in a manner you find acceptable or easy to deal with is a part of life. College has done an indescribable amount to improve my social skills, often through trial and error but at least I had the oppurtunity to make the mistake and learn from it. I really don't see the point of a college that shelters its students from the realities of the world they will be living and interacting in, both good and bad.
Gee, you didn't think to yell "HEY, COULD YOU STOP FUCKING IN FRONT OF MY MOTHER?"
I would have done it and laughed my ass off, as would have my mother.
I live a town or 7 (they're all REALLY close together) from BJU, about 30 minutes. My eyes crossed them a split second when I was looking for a Masters in English program, and of the (no exaggeration) seven colleges within reasonable driving distance, they were the only one with one. I called the head of English at my undergrad and asked him about it. He said going there "declares" you. True liberal arts schools look at your resume and, if they bother to interview you, ask you why you think your BJ experience makes you compatable with intelligent people.
Also, they have a theatre program. ...a theatre program. I can only imagine you do the passion play over and over and over and...
Hah. They don't even offer a Philosophy degree. I wonder why...
This place sounds a lot like Trinity Western University (TWU), which is quite close to where I live. A couple of my buddies went there once for a weekend tour thing, and they said it had some of the same crazy rules. No co-ed dorms, must sign some kind of contract that forbids stuff like drinking, smoking, sex, drug usage, and I think atheism as well. It's also private, so the tuition is absolutely insane.
It's terrible. Institutions like these are just batshit.
I actually go to Summit Pacific College which is affiliated with TWU (I just finished a history class from there this morning) and the rules arent that crazy. There's no contract, just an expectation that you will act as a Christian should. It makes sense, if you're not living like a Christian, then why go to a Christian university or college?
Why are they 'batshit'? I'm really liking my education, and I dont have to deal with roomates having sex in front of me, smokey hallways and drunk people. Anyway, I should go study for my Hebrew final.
They are batshit for a number of reasons. First, University is an institution of higher learning for adults and by adults. Why, as an adult, should I be subject to some of these crazy and absurd restrictions?
Because as an adult you make the decision to attend an institution that enforces these regulations. BJU is a private institution, they are able to make the requirments to attend and if someone is willing to live by those rules then so be it.
I agree with most of what you say and I think a person is a little crazy to subject themselves to those rules, but in the end, it is that persons choice.
How exactly am I less of an adult because I made the decision to live my life up to a certain standard and go to a college that shares that standard? Is seeing people have sex while you study some kind of watershed moment for adulthood? My social skills and exposure to different world views were already trained in this wonderful place called high school. I'm not preparing to be an adult, I am one, which is why I've chosen to go to a college that will educate me in my chosen field while helping me live up to the standard I've set for myself.
You really think you learned everything you needed to know about people unlike yourself in high school? You barely have the freedom to go to the bathroom in high school, much less the freedom to express thoughts and feelings outside pre-approved norms. Most schools still have a problem with same sex couples at prom.
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Yes, that's true. Well, sort of. If not "ok," at least "without being harassed."
I considered going there for a bit (He told me it was stinking cheap, but I haven't looked it up for myself yet) but once I started thinking about how I could get around the media censorship, I decided it probably wasn't a place you should go to if you didn't already follow those rules anyway.
Brandeis University.
Orthodox Jewish school thats respected on the secular level.
I don't know of any Christian equivalent though.
He actually blushed telling that story.
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Man, sexuality in fundamentalist Christianity is just beyond me.
You mean TWU? When'd he go there?
brandeis is a kickass school
I almost went there and i'm pretty well agnostic
they get their funding from the jewish community, but they try to keep the organization and running of the school as secular as they can and stuff. I mean sure they run a culture that caters to their jewish students but as a completely agnostic high school student visiting, i didnt feel at all uncomfortable or out of place any more than i would have at any other institution(They have great food at their student union too)
Do they have exceptions for The Passion of the Christ?
Wait, Gibson is an evil Roman Catholic. Never mind.
The little girl is the cutest shotgun baby ever.
I think I've heard of this. Don't they give rewards to students for ratting each other out. (Amanda was wearing a skirt that showed her knees while driving on the weekend!) The thing that bothers me is that these people have to heard of the Pharisees.
Most Catholic Schools are similarly run. Like they cater to Catholics and require people to take relgion classes but for the most part they don't go out of their way to make people feel unwelcome.
In Al Franken's book, he 'infiltrates' BJU to find out what the fuck is going. He said they were all very nice, albeit a little weird in that sheltered "I don't seem to mind that I have all these rules" way.
Jesuit schools. My sister went to Marquette and a cousin went to Loyola (there are many others, just not within a 2 hour drive from my home). Either of them are well respected and rank highly in one department or the other. Loyola has a great medical program, IIRC, and Marquette's pretty good at engineering. Also, basketball.
I actually go to Summit Pacific College which is affiliated with TWU (I just finished a history class from there this morning) and the rules arent that crazy. There's no contract, just an expectation that you will act as a Christian should. It makes sense, if you're not living like a Christian, then why go to a Christian university or college?
Why are they 'batshit'? I'm really liking my education, and I dont have to deal with roomates having sex in front of me, smokey hallways and drunk people. Anyway, I should go study for my Hebrew final.
What the hell? Where did you get your image of non-religious universities? Frat movies?
Our rules are way more lax, no movies 18+ (though even that is pliable, like we watch Garden State and skip over the 'hotel scene'), no co-ed wings, etc. I dont understand the whole pants-on-girls thing, our dress code is mainly about modesty.
I think the important thing is the intent of the rules, to act according to Christian teaching. Even if someone doesnt see the need for a rule, its kinda easy to follow it for a couple years to adhere to a college's standards. Plus, theres always christmas and summer, I dont think im going to spend all of my break completely sober.
Also, I think its hard to some people to accept because they view the college years and the 'crazy' years. Not everyone wants to experience all that.
Oh yeah, and about people having to go to a Christian college, that would suck. They should really only be specialy schools. Are they that prevelant in the US?
Perhaps a bit of hyperbole, but I guarantee you are more likely to see them at a non-religious university than at mine. And my friends tell me they are a bit of a regular occurence at their schools.
So I either don't understand why you're going to a Christian college or how drinking got rolled up into living like a Christian.
Ostensibly after college you go on and live your life on your own. There are no chaperones, no one to tell you when you go to sleep, who you can date, or what you can or can't ingest. BJU doesn't sound like they're preparing young people to face life, it sounds like they're institutionalizing them even more than they probably are.
Yeah, in general college is a nice sort of stopgap between having your parents (more or less) control your life and being completely on your own with all the freedom in the world. But hey, I'm sure BJU is preparing their students to go into life dependent on the presence of an authority figure, which if nothing else ensures that they'll remain good terrified Christians their whole lives.
That's very true. The afore mentioned ex who went to the crazy bible college (now identified as Landmark Baptist College) was just expecting to get married and be a housewife. You really don't need much formal education for that.
I speak as confidently about this as anyone because I graduated from Oral Roberts University a year and a half ago. This naïve acceptance is exactly the attitude that engulfed a large portion of the student body, and while they were great people besides, it really grated on you how much they were able to accept without a challenge. Of course, we were also nowhere near as bad as BJU - I recall quite a lot of people making fun of their archaic regulations for dating and such.
Oh, yes, cause everyone who doesn't go to a Christian university are moral-less and doomed to hell. I go to a pretty big public university, and I don't have "roommates having sex in front of me", people aren't allowed to smoke inside buildings, and drunk people don't bother you unless you go looking for them. There's a difference between "living like a Christian" and having morals.
Oh hey, I was actually wondering what opinion Oral Roberts University students have of Oral Roberts, especially in light of the recent problems.
I went to Marquette myself and yea, you have to take some religion classes, but there aren't any student rules that are out there or religious in any way. Even the classes I had to take that were taught by priests were pretty good because most of the priests there are laid back. The story goes that back before the drinking age was raised to 21 in Wisconsin the Jesuits would have occasional keg parties at the Jesuit residence for students to come over to on the weekends.
My alma mater, Bethel College in Kansas, is really good. We have a really high percentage of graduates who go on to get doctorates. And no drinking on campus. And they have rules about premarital sex, saying basically don't do it cause it can lead to problems. But they don't do much about it. Only 2 of the dorms have rules about intervisitation and thats just after midnight (2 on the weekends.) They ,ay have removed intervis entirely by now. A lot of it they just keep around to placate older board members.
They are batshit for a number of reasons. First, University is an institution of higher learning for adults and by adults. Why, as an adult, should I be subject to some of these crazy and absurd restrictions? I'm not in the military, so the absurd rules that prevent me from drinking/smoking/sexing/wearing whatever I want whenever I want serves no purpose: it doesn't help keep me alive, nor does me doing these things adversely affect the morale or espirit de corps of the wider force. Indeed, one of the main goals of a university is to expose its students and instructors to a plurality of viewpoints, lifestyles, and positions. How can that ever be accomplished when there is only one approved message allowed to be spoken and aired on campus?
Second, I take issue with the automatic assumption that because I am a certain age, or a certain gender, I'm going to be automatically doing cocaine and having sex in the hallways. There may be people who act like that, but I can guarantee you 100% that the vast majority of adults out there don't. I find this assumption of predisposition to act certain ways to be all too familiar to an assumption of guilt; I'm an adult, and I'm a student, and I go to university. That doesn't make me guilty or even more likely to be guilty of such actions than most other people.
Finally, I believe that questions of moral conduct have no place within an academic institution. While I may agree with Machiavelli and Plato in the belief that certain types of (what could be considered moral) conduct ought to be enforced by the wider culture and society (don't kill, don't steal, don't be a biggot), I think that the University does not share this prerogative. In fact, I believe that any attempt to have the university as an institution enforce these rather dubious restrictions on actions by students are incompatible with academic freedom, and, as such, have no place in an academic institution like a university. The qualities of citizenship ought to be learned in elementary and secondary school, and through wider interaction within one's society over the course of one's life - that includes not just the social mores of the wider nation, but can indeed include other types of "citizenship," including being a Christian. As soon as you foist that role onto an institution that is entirely unsuited for it, you are going to have major problems.
In the case of the university, that role violates the common assumption with regards to students (they are adults, should be treated as other adults are treated), and also serves to undermine the basic tenet of academic freedom. It speaks volumes to the sect of group who advocate such a program for the university, and what it says is none too flattering.
But still, that's a part of life. The guy who had sex in ym room I honestly didn't take that much issue with because it's a natural thing, albeit an odd time to engage in copulation when an unrelated party's in the room. I was actually mroe pissed off by the fact that he didn't clean up after himself and the room would go weeks with his nasty ass clothes piling up all over the place.
But once again, dealing with people who may not behave in a manner you find acceptable or easy to deal with is a part of life. College has done an indescribable amount to improve my social skills, often through trial and error but at least I had the oppurtunity to make the mistake and learn from it. I really don't see the point of a college that shelters its students from the realities of the world they will be living and interacting in, both good and bad.
I would have done it and laughed my ass off, as would have my mother.
Also, they have a theatre program. ...a theatre program. I can only imagine you do the passion play over and over and over and...
Because as an adult you make the decision to attend an institution that enforces these regulations. BJU is a private institution, they are able to make the requirments to attend and if someone is willing to live by those rules then so be it.
I agree with most of what you say and I think a person is a little crazy to subject themselves to those rules, but in the end, it is that persons choice.
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