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Video Games Sale Thread #4 - Nintendo stole Christmas

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  • TubaFrogTubaFrog Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    "PS360 vs. Wii"? What, we're combining competitors now to make up facts?

    The 'Playstationxbox Family' (needs more trademark symbols) You've never heard of it?

    TubaFrog on
  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    Graviija wrote: »
    Henroid wrote: »
    "PS360 vs. Wii"? What, we're combining competitors now to make up facts?
    It's more to show how ridiculously the Wii is selling - combining 360 and PS3 sales, it only trails by a few million.

    I was thrown off by the comment regarding "why the Wii isn't getting the 3rd party support Nintendo wants" comment. Negative spin sucks.

    I think we were all thrown off by that comment.


    We still don't have Zero coming to explain it yet...

    Khavall on
  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    "PS360 vs. Wii"? What, we're combining competitors now to make up facts?

    You have to put them on the same scale and logarithms would only confuse people.

    lowlylowlycook on
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  • MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Sleep wrote: »
    PS3 numbers look a lot like GCN 2002 numbers, so much so that I'll predict only a 33% increase for December sales.

    I know you love to troll the PS3 but the November sales are only a little lower than the 360's last year (though they're probably a fair bit higher worldwide). So by extension, does that make the 360 the new GC too?

    Comparing the PS3 to the GCN is the highest compliment I could possibly pay the system. Anyways, for an accurate comparison the 360 you'd have to compare GCN sales from November 2003. I'd say the 360 is a bit ahead of that mark, but probably not by as much as you'd think. The 360 is a relatively slow seller because of the price, while the GCN was cheap as chips by that point.


    An apt comparison is:

    PS3 = Sega Saturn. Just without all the great games that the Saturn had.

    Think about it. Over priced. Hard to develop for. Initial offerings relied on a rally racer and a dragon shooting pew pew game. What third party support there is, the PS3, like the Saturn, is getting rushed ports that don't take advantage of the system or are not tailored for it, and the best games are probably going to be published by Sony.

    phantomjerk.jpg

    MistaCreepy on
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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Khavall wrote: »
    Here is my prediction for the upcoming Pachter prediction of how next month will come out.

    [IM G ]http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/Khavall/Consolepredictions.jpg[/IMG]

    Nintendo will start buying back Wiis from customers.. Oh Michael Pachter, you card.

    darleysam on
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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Sleep wrote: »
    PS3 numbers look a lot like GCN 2002 numbers, so much so that I'll predict only a 33% increase for December sales.

    I know you love to troll the PS3 but the November sales are only a little lower than the 360's last year (though they're probably a fair bit higher worldwide). So by extension, does that make the 360 the new GC too?

    Comparing the PS3 to the GCN is the highest compliment I could possibly pay the system. Anyways, for an accurate comparison the 360 you'd have to compare GCN sales from November 2003. I'd say the 360 is a bit ahead of that mark, but probably not by as much as you'd think. The 360 is a relatively slow seller because of the price, while the GCN was cheap as chips by that point.


    An apt comparison is:

    PS3 = Sega Saturn. Just without all the great games that the Saturn had.

    Think about it. Over priced. Hard to develop for. Initial offerings relied on a rally racer and a dragon shooting pew pew game. What third party support there is, the PS3, like the Saturn, is getting rushed ports that don't take advantage of the system or are not tailored for it, and the best games are probably going to be published by Sony.

    phantomjerk.jpg
    Me looks like he is about to start jerking off in front of the guy.

    Couscous on
  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Found DS and PSP LTDs for the US

    DS - 15,100,000
    PSP - 9,440,000
    360 - 7,862,151
    Wii - 6,019,685
    PS3 - 2,446,649

    Some are more specific than other because they come from different posts at GAF

    Also US tie ratios were posted

    PS3 4.01
    Wii 3.86 (not including Wii Sports)
    360 6.85

    PS3 and Wii's are good, 360's is incredible

    bruin on
  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    If you're going to steal, at least get the name of the guy you're stealing it from right. It's donny, not danny.

    In other news, Japan hates console gaming:
    First day sales:

    PS3 GT5P: 50k (30% sell-through, downloads unknown and not included)
    Wii Chocobo Dungeon: 30k (30% sell-through)
    Wii NiGHTS: 7k (10% sell-through)
    Wii SC Legend: 5k (10% sell-through)
    Wii WE LOVE GOLF: 4k (10% sell-through)

    PSP Slim (Deep Red): Near sellout
    Kingdom Under Fire 360: 8k
    Shikigami no Shiro III 360 = 1500
    Shikigami no Shiro III Wii = 500

    Pureauthor on
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  • MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Me looks like he is about to start jerking off in front of the guy.

    lol, not the best representation of the phantom jerk but the expression on his face perfectly matched mine when I was reading that post.

    MistaCreepy on
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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    First day sales:

    PS3 GT5P: 50k (30% sell-through, downloads unknown and not included)

    That's pretty bad, I thought Japan (and everyone else for that matter) loved GT

    bruin on
  • SpoitSpoit *twitch twitch* Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    Found DS and PSP LTDs for the US

    DS - 15,100,000
    PSP - 9,440,000
    360 - 7,862,151
    Wii - 6,019,685
    PS3 - 2,446,649

    Some are more specific than other because they come from different posts at GAF

    Also US tie ratios were posted

    PS3 4.01
    Wii 3.86 (not including Wii Sports)
    360 6.85

    PS3 and Wii's are good, 360's is incredible

    So if Wii starts getting 1.8M a month out, it could pass the 360 in NA sometime around when brawl and wii fit comes out?

    Spoit on
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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Spoit wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    Found DS and PSP LTDs for the US

    DS - 15,100,000
    PSP - 9,440,000
    360 - 7,862,151
    Wii - 6,019,685
    PS3 - 2,446,649

    Some are more specific than other because they come from different posts at GAF

    Also US tie ratios were posted

    PS3 4.01
    Wii 3.86 (not including Wii Sports)
    360 6.85

    PS3 and Wii's are good, 360's is incredible

    So if Wii starts getting 1.8M a month out, it could pass the 360 in NA sometime around when brawl and wii fit comes out?

    It's not selling 1.8 million/month in the US, that's worldwide. On their current tracks Wii will overtake 360 in the US in about 10 months.

    bruin on
  • SpaceDrakeSpaceDrake Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    If you're going to steal, at least get the name of the guy you're stealing it from right. It's donny, not danny.

    In other news, Japan hates console gaming:
    First day sales:

    PS3 GT5P: 50k (30% sell-through, downloads unknown and not included)
    Wii Chocobo Dungeon: 30k (30% sell-through)
    Wii NiGHTS: 7k (10% sell-through)
    Wii SC Legend: 5k (10% sell-through)
    Wii WE LOVE GOLF: 4k (10% sell-through)

    PSP Slim (Deep Red): Near sellout
    Kingdom Under Fire 360: 8k
    Shikigami no Shiro III 360 = 1500
    Shikigami no Shiro III Wii = 500

    7k for Nights? 30k Chocobo Dungeon? 50k Gran Turismo?

    How in the fuck?

    Is there something going on in Japan that I haven't heard about? I thought it was some kind of blip with Mario but apparently something there is shooting the console software market to hell.

    SpaceDrake on
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  • SheepSheep Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Sleep wrote: »
    PS3 numbers look a lot like GCN 2002 numbers, so much so that I'll predict only a 33% increase for December sales.

    I know you love to troll the PS3 but the November sales are only a little lower than the 360's last year (though they're probably a fair bit higher worldwide). So by extension, does that make the 360 the new GC too?

    Comparing the PS3 to the GCN is the highest compliment I could possibly pay the system. Anyways, for an accurate comparison the 360 you'd have to compare GCN sales from November 2003. I'd say the 360 is a bit ahead of that mark, but probably not by as much as you'd think. The 360 is a relatively slow seller because of the price, while the GCN was cheap as chips by that point.


    An apt comparison is:

    PS3 = Sega Saturn. Just without all the great games that the Saturn had.

    Think about it. Over priced. Hard to develop for. Initial offerings relied on a rally racer and a dragon shooting pew pew game. What third party support there is, the PS3, like the Saturn, is getting rushed ports that don't take advantage of the system or are not tailored for it, and the best games are probably going to be published by Sony.

    phantomjerk.jpg

    Are... are you spanking it in front of me or something?

    Sheep on
  • Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Why don't PC-exclusive developers get together for a marketing campaign? Games for Windows doesn't seem to be too thrilling.

    I'm thinking something like: Hey frat guy, your PC can be used for more than just getting laid through Facebook. Come back and explore the magic.

    Tim James on
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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    SpaceDrake wrote: »
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    If you're going to steal, at least get the name of the guy you're stealing it from right. It's donny, not danny.

    In other news, Japan hates console gaming:
    First day sales:

    PS3 GT5P: 50k (30% sell-through, downloads unknown and not included)
    Wii Chocobo Dungeon: 30k (30% sell-through)
    Wii NiGHTS: 7k (10% sell-through)
    Wii SC Legend: 5k (10% sell-through)
    Wii WE LOVE GOLF: 4k (10% sell-through)

    PSP Slim (Deep Red): Near sellout
    Kingdom Under Fire 360: 8k
    Shikigami no Shiro III 360 = 1500
    Shikigami no Shiro III Wii = 500

    7k for Nights? 30k Chocobo Dungeon? 50k Gran Turismo?

    How in the fuck?

    Is there something going on in Japan that I haven't heard about? I thought it was some kind of blip with Mario but apparently something there is shooting the console software market to hell.

    Quick, someone blame Wii Fit

    bruin on
  • Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    And can someone please find COD4 numbers for PC so we can compare?

    Tim James on
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  • MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Tim James wrote: »
    Why don't PC-exclusive developers get together for a marketing campaign? Games for Windows doesn't seem to be too thrilling.

    I'm thinking something like: Hey frat guy, your PC can be used for more than just getting laid through Facebook. Come back and explore the magic.


    Games for Windows is probably the worst thing to happen to PC gaming in awhile... especially now that theyre forcing users to use Live.

    MistaCreepy on
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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Tim James wrote: »
    Why don't PC-exclusive developers get together for a marketing campaign? Games for Windows doesn't seem to be too thrilling.

    I'm thinking something like: Hey frat guy, your PC can be used for more than just getting laid through Facebook. Come back and explore the magic.

    Well, Microsoft tried with their "Games for Windows" banner (which always struck me as pointless, since the other operating systems aren't exactly overflowing with big-name exclusives) and Live on PC, which was apparently a bomb-and-a-half.

    Are there any PC games not published by Microsoft on PC Live?

    cloudeagle on
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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    bruin wrote: »
    SpaceDrake wrote: »
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    If you're going to steal, at least get the name of the guy you're stealing it from right. It's donny, not danny.

    In other news, Japan hates console gaming:
    First day sales:

    PS3 GT5P: 50k (30% sell-through, downloads unknown and not included)
    Wii Chocobo Dungeon: 30k (30% sell-through)
    Wii NiGHTS: 7k (10% sell-through)
    Wii SC Legend: 5k (10% sell-through)
    Wii WE LOVE GOLF: 4k (10% sell-through)

    PSP Slim (Deep Red): Near sellout
    Kingdom Under Fire 360: 8k
    Shikigami no Shiro III 360 = 1500
    Shikigami no Shiro III Wii = 500

    7k for Nights? 30k Chocobo Dungeon? 50k Gran Turismo?

    How in the fuck?

    Is there something going on in Japan that I haven't heard about? I thought it was some kind of blip with Mario but apparently something there is shooting the console software market to hell.

    Quick, someone blame Wii Fit

    I opened this quote post up to do it, but I can't. I just can't do it.

    Henroid on
  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I'll do better:

    I blame the DS.

    Actually, wait, I don't, because anything that furthers the cause of handhelds is a good thing in my book.

    Die, wretched abominations chained to power outlets! DIEEEEEE!!!

    Ahem. That aside, it's pretty obvious that, for now anyway, Japan is a handheld/mobile nation.

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  • CouscousCouscous Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Those damn casual gamers are ruining gaming. They have already ruined Japan and America is next!

    Couscous on
  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Henroid wrote: »
    bruin wrote: »
    SpaceDrake wrote: »
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    If you're going to steal, at least get the name of the guy you're stealing it from right. It's donny, not danny.

    In other news, Japan hates console gaming:
    First day sales:

    PS3 GT5P: 50k (30% sell-through, downloads unknown and not included)
    Wii Chocobo Dungeon: 30k (30% sell-through)
    Wii NiGHTS: 7k (10% sell-through)
    Wii SC Legend: 5k (10% sell-through)
    Wii WE LOVE GOLF: 4k (10% sell-through)

    PSP Slim (Deep Red): Near sellout
    Kingdom Under Fire 360: 8k
    Shikigami no Shiro III 360 = 1500
    Shikigami no Shiro III Wii = 500

    7k for Nights? 30k Chocobo Dungeon? 50k Gran Turismo?

    How in the fuck?

    Is there something going on in Japan that I haven't heard about? I thought it was some kind of blip with Mario but apparently something there is shooting the console software market to hell.

    Quick, someone blame Wii Fit

    I opened this quote post up to do it, but I can't. I just can't do it.

    WHAT ABOUT BRAWL?
    Since Japan doesn't actually buy games anymore, I wonder how that first week will go.

    darleysam on
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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    titmouse wrote: »
    Stolen from danny:

    ps360vswii2rl3.th.png


    I think that right there is why Wii isn't getting the third party support Nintendo would like.



    Wait wait wait..

    Let me get this straight...


    The Wii, which costs far less to develop and publish for, has almost an equal number of installed base as the PS3 and 360 combined, which cost far more to develop and publish for, especially since it at least requires porting and publishing another format..


    So...


    What you're saying is that it's smart to spend $10M making a 360 game, a 'few' extra bucks on top of that to port to the PS3, and sell it to 20M people... as opposed to making a game for $5M for the Wii, and selling it to 15M people.



    Makes perfect sense. :|

    slash000 on
  • MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    An outstanding attach rate for the 360 and a good one for the PS3 shows that there is still a huge market for HD gaming.

    The problem with this "casual gamer uprising" is that developers may begin to ditch expensive, big titles for cheap, quick selling casual games. Dinner at Black Angus probably costs more than what it cost to develop Brain age and look at the sales on that. Why spend millions of dollars on development and advertising on a big title like MGS4 and Halo 3 when you can make 10 good puzzle games for the same cost?

    MistaCreepy on
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  • Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    cloudeagle wrote: »
    Tim James wrote: »
    Why don't PC-exclusive developers get together for a marketing campaign? Games for Windows doesn't seem to be too thrilling.

    I'm thinking something like: Hey frat guy, your PC can be used for more than just getting laid through Facebook. Come back and explore the magic.

    Well, Microsoft tried with their "Games for Windows" banner (which always struck me as pointless, since the other operating systems aren't exactly overflowing with big-name exclusives) and Live on PC, which was apparently a bomb-and-a-half.
    Yeah, as I mentioned.

    Perhaps it would be better if the real hardcore PC houses got together, the ones that haven't consolized their games too much. And I mention that only because those houses have more to lose, and aren't swimming in the console dollars. Blizzard and Valve would be a start -- is there anyone else? Not sure the MMORPG houses would be any help.

    Tim James on
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  • Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    An outstanding attach rate for the 360 and a good one for the PS3 shows that there is still a huge market for HD gaming.

    The problem with this "casual gamer uprising" is that developers may begin to ditch expensive, big titles for cheap, quick selling casual games. Dinner at Black Angus probably costs more than what it cost to develop Brain age and look at the sales on that. Why spend millions of dollars on development and advertising on a big title likeSG4 and Halo3 when you can make 10 good puzzle games for that cost and swim in money?
    Probably because that shit isn't easy to score on. It's like asking why filmmakers don't just develop 10 Napoleon Dynamites.

    Call of Duty, GTA, etc. really are just like printing money unless you screw up.

    Tim James on
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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    If you're going to steal, at least get the name of the guy you're stealing it from right. It's donny, not danny.

    In other news, Japan hates console gaming:
    First day sales:

    PS3 GT5P: 50k (30% sell-through, downloads unknown and not included)
    Wii Chocobo Dungeon: 30k (30% sell-through)
    Wii NiGHTS: 7k (10% sell-through)
    Wii SC Legend: 5k (10% sell-through)
    Wii WE LOVE GOLF: 4k (10% sell-through)

    PSP Slim (Deep Red): Near sellout
    Kingdom Under Fire 360: 8k
    Shikigami no Shiro III 360 = 1500
    Shikigami no Shiro III Wii = 500

    WTF does "sell through" mean?

    shryke on
  • PureauthorPureauthor Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Percentage of retailer order that actually sold to customers.

    i.e. A retailer order 100K copies of a game and 50K copies are sold to consumers, it's a 50% sell-through.

    Pureauthor on
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  • cloudeaglecloudeagle Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    shryke wrote: »
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    If you're going to steal, at least get the name of the guy you're stealing it from right. It's donny, not danny.

    In other news, Japan hates console gaming:
    First day sales:

    PS3 GT5P: 50k (30% sell-through, downloads unknown and not included)
    Wii Chocobo Dungeon: 30k (30% sell-through)
    Wii NiGHTS: 7k (10% sell-through)
    Wii SC Legend: 5k (10% sell-through)
    Wii WE LOVE GOLF: 4k (10% sell-through)

    PSP Slim (Deep Red): Near sellout
    Kingdom Under Fire 360: 8k
    Shikigami no Shiro III 360 = 1500
    Shikigami no Shiro III Wii = 500

    WTF does "sell through" mean?

    NiGHTS only sold 10% of its stock on store shelves, I believe.

    cloudeagle on
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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Pureauthor wrote: »
    Percentage of retailer order that actually sold to customers.

    i.e. A retailer order 100K copies of a game and 50K copies are sold to consumers, it's a 50% sell-through.

    Wow, that's even worse then I thought then.

    shryke on
  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    But this is only the first day sales, right?



    Also, Is that Castle Shikigami 3, I see there?

    ooh.. I hope they bring that bad boy over to the US!

    slash000 on
  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    You know, are those numbers really so bad?

    They're only 1 day of sales.

    We're used to seeing JPN numbers after a full week, and even then, a lot of decent-selling games only hit 80k.


    The only games that nail 100+k on the first day are reserved for squeenix games and nintendo games, it seems.

    slash000 on
  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Oh, another new tidbit:


    Google released a chart for the most-searched for gaming consoles.


    googlecharts.jpg


    That spike on the Wii there? That's the desperation of the market searching for wiis online when they realize that B&M retailers are sold out everywhere..

    slash000 on
  • MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    It isnt bad... people just seem to love doom and gloom here. Its like you all live in tall castle towers and everything is gray.... always raining...

    Shit now Im depressed.

    MistaCreepy on
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  • Tim JamesTim James Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Okay, just saw a rumor that CoD4 sold around a million on the PC. Need real numbers!!

    Tim James on
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  • TelMarineTelMarine Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    how much did NIghts sell on saturn? Probably much more cause it was a flagship title, but I wasn't expecting nights to sell all that much anyway.

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  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/14/nintendo-establishes-official-raincheck-program-for-wii/

    Has this been posted yet? Nintendo starts it's own raincheck program for the Wii. Maybe this will combat all the chodes buying a Wii and putting it right up on eBay.

    urahonky on
  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Yeah it was posted, and it has a thread too.

    Henroid on
  • urahonkyurahonky Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Sorry. Just got an email from a friend here at work about it. Thought I'd share the love...

    *kicks a stone*

    urahonky on
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