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I need advice on classical literature

Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
edited December 2007 in Help / Advice Forum
Recently for some reason I have been in a mood to read some classical literature and I am not really sure why. Just anything that makes you think really, does anyone have any suggestions? Something interesting, nothing too boring.

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  • Uncle LongUncle Long Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Well, I don't know what you're terming as "classical," but in the modern literary canon, I'd suggest a bit of Hemingway: Old Man and the Sea and The Sun Also Rises. I'd also suggest Salinger, anything, the man can write.

    Beyond that, I'd suggest reading "The Tin Drum," by Gunter Grass, "The Unbearable Lightness of Being," By Milan Kundera, "The Bell Jar," Sylvia Plathe, "One Flew Over the Cuckoos' Nest" Ken Kessey.

    Any Vonnegut, Any Fitzgerald, though "This Side of Paradise," and "The Great Gatsby," are his major works, IMO.

    If you want to go further back then I'd suggest looking into Thomast Hardy's "Jude the Obscure," shit's fucking heartbreaking.

    Also consider a bit of Charles Dickens. People complain that he is boring but if you read it as the kind of dry british humor you see on the office then you should enjoy it exponentially more.

    If you're looking for the zenith of literary achievement, you have to go to James Joyce; this is, of course, an opinion.

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  • HachfaceHachface Not the Minister Farrakhan you're thinking of Dammit, Shepard!Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    There's an entire thread for this kind of thing in D&D, called "The Reading Room."

    Try Lolita?

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Grad student in English literature here. You need to decide a time period that you are interested in. I can offer recommendations for pretty much any time period, but I don't want to recommend Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (which has a decent translation by Tolkien) if you're interested in modern or post modern literature. What "classic" literature have you read before that you enjoyed? Are you interested in reading something in translation? Would you like to gain knowledge of mythology as well as read something good (if so I can recommend the Lattimore translations of Sophocles and The Odyssey)? Would you prefer reading a novel, short stories, or poetry?

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    heart of darkness! conrad is brilliant. such a great story

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  • Fizban140Fizban140 Registered User, __BANNED USERS regular
    edited December 2007
    Grad student in English literature here. You need to decide a time period that you are interested in. I can offer recommendations for pretty much any time period, but I don't want to recommend Sir Gawain and the Green Knight (which has a decent translation by Tolkien) if you're interested in modern or post modern literature. What "classic" literature have you read before that you enjoyed? Are you interested in reading something in translation? Would you like to gain knowledge of mythology as well as read something good (if so I can recommend the Lattimore translations of Sophocles and The Odyssey)? Would you prefer reading a novel, short stories, or poetry?
    I was thinking of earlier 1900s or 1800s, and only short stories or novels. I really enjoyed The Great Gatsby, and if it is considered classical 1984 (I enjoy all those kind of books) and Vonnegut and The Lord of The Flies.

    I have never read Catcher in the Rye, would it be worth my time?

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  • bsjezzbsjezz Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    i'd also really recommend virginia woolf's mrs. dalloway and james joyce's short stories

    its true, i think the modernists were never really surpassed

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  • deadonthestreetdeadonthestreet Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fizban140 wrote: »
    I have never read Catcher in the Rye, would it be worth my time?

    Sure, why not? It isn't overlong or anything.

    Try picking up an old, used english lit anthology. You can probably get one real cheap and it'll have a load of poetry and short stories.

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  • LoveIsUnityLoveIsUnity Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    As bsjezz mentioned, Dubliners, Joyce's collection of short stories, is amazing. It contains "The Dead" which is widely regarded as the greatest short story ever. Woolf is great (I even wrote my undergraduate thesis on one of her novels), but she is incredibly difficult. Joyce is difficult as well but Dubliners is his most accessible work. Another good thing about Dubliners is that it comes in a Dover Thrift Edition which can be had for, I believe, $1.50 US.

    You mentioned 1984, so my following selections are based on that. We by Zamyatin is great, as is Brave New World by Huxley. Both of these are modern, but We will be a translation unless you read Russian. Speaking of Russian, The Master and Margarita by Bulgakov is great as well. All of these novels tend to be fairly easy to read.

    If you're looking for something with a more experimental writing style, I can wholeheartedly recommend As I Lay Dying as a good starting point for Faulkner. Mrs Dalloway, as bsjezz has already mentioned, is a great novel, but it is very hard to follow if you aren't used to modern literature or Woolf. That being said, it is definitely the easiest of her novels to follow. I'm sure there are online study guides that can help you out with this novel if you get completely lost.

    An often overlooked (but absolutely brilliant) writer is James Baldwin. His collection of short stories Going to Meet the Man is great and can be found for cheap. Likewise, Giovanni's Room is amazing and was a major breakthrough in queer fiction.

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  • endlesswaltzendlesswaltz Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Jude the Obscure by Thomas Hardy might be good for you if you want something that makes you think.

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  • krapst78krapst78 Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    As Elliot Rosewater said in Slaughterhouse-Five "everything there was to know about life was in The Brothers Karamazov, by Fyodor Dostoevsky."

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  • MephistophelesMephistopheles Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    This might sound terribly corny, but for some of the classics (ie, Dostoevsky, Joyce, etc) that can be a bit impenetrable, a Cliffs notes can be vastly helpful. In conjunction with the text of course. I have a lot of English major friends who have the luxury of having a PhD teach them all of the intricate concepts in great literature. There will be some vastly intriguing things easily missed if some classics are read as entertainment.

    As others have mentioned, I would recommend Joyce's Dubliners, as it is incredibly captivating, and, as short fiction is a great in-road to other literature, Flannery O'Connor (starting with Everything That Rises Must Converge). She's great to read, and was one of the ignitions of my love for literature.

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  • whuppinswhuppins Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    Fizban140 wrote: »
    I have never read Catcher in the Rye, would it be worth my time?
    Seriously? Reading any great literature will be worth your time; moreso than hanging around the PA forums, at least. :P

    Very smart people (or, at least, very educated people) have worked, studied, and debated for many years in order to develop lists of essential Western literature:

    The Harvard Classics

    You can find other reading lists (though they're not limited to novels) by searching for "Western Canon" in Wikipedia.

    FYI, if you're asking for "classical literature", most would define that as stuff from the 18th century and older. From that era, I would suggest the following:

    Alexander Pope, The Rape of the Lock
    Voltaire, Candide

    The novel really came into its own during the modern period, so most of my (and others') suggestions will be from the 1800's onward:

    Thomas Hardy, The Return of the Native
    Thomas Hardy, Tess of the d'Urbervilles
    Somerset Maugham, Of Human Bondage
    Somerset Maugham, The Razor's Edge
    Herman Melville, Moby-Dick
    Fyodor Dostoevsky, Crime and Punishment
    J. D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye
    Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities

    All of these titles share a common element: They're deeply introspective. If you're looking for something that "makes you think", reading some H.P. Lovecraft or Hunter S. Thompson or Philip K. Dick mindfuck is well and good, but these books are all about the inner workings of a man's soul; they just happen to be framed with narratives involving whaling, or war, or what have you.

    And aside from some of Joyce's work, I very much doubt that any of the established classics would be 'too hard' for an adult. It all depends on how much time you spend reading them. If you're willing to take a month or two and really digest every sentence and concept presented (this includes looking up words you don't recognize and taking notes, even when there's no professor to give you a quiz on the material), there's no reason why you couldn't get something out of even the most 'difficult' novel.

    I just noticed you were asking for shorter stories, so I'll second Heart of Darkness. Most people call it a novella, which as far as I can tell is smarty-pants-lit-person-talk for "shorter than a novel; longer than a short story". You can finish it in a couple days and it's a great glimpse into the hearts and minds of its two main characters.

    A word about Moby-Dick: It is by no means short, but I would urge you to read it at some point in your life. Many people describe it as the greatest novel ever written in the English language, and rightly so. It's fantastic.

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  • saggiosaggio Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    For Whom the Bell Tolls by Hemingway.

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  • halkunhalkun Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The original Tarzan of the Apes by Edgar Rice Burroughs. It's interesting to see how the story really pussified by Disney.

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  • TrowizillaTrowizilla Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    I'm very fond of Kipling, and you can read him on a couple of levels; his adventure stories are entertaining and action packed, but also interesting commentary on imperialism, human nature, etc. Make sure you read his parody as parody, though, because a lot of people don't and then get offended.

    The Russians are always good: Crime and Punishment by Dostoevsky, Chekhov's short stories, anything by Tolstoy (everyone complains about the length of War and Peace, but it's very readable if you get a modern translation and has a lot of relatable characters), and Gogol if you like absurdist humor.

    I'm fond of Kafka, and everyone should read The Metamorphosis at some point. Great critique of modern life.

    If you're willing to go back to ancient Greek stuff, try Euripides, particularly Medea.

    The Once and Future King is glorious and funny and heartbreaking, and I'm re-reading it for the umpteenth time right now, so I'd be remiss if I didn't suggest it.

    If you like biting social humor and don't mind a little girlyness, try Austen. Great stories about screwed-up people learning to grow up and deal with each other.

    Oh, and Twain is always hilarious.

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  • MishraMishra Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
    The picture of Dorian Grey, and the Count of Monte Chritso are two of my favorites. I've heard Dracula is actually pretty good.

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  • WashWash Sweet Christmas Registered User regular
    edited December 2007
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