Is this a cleverly disguised ad for Rachet and Clank?
I was thinking that too. Either that or CNN itself. New member, only one post, references R&C, weird grammar in the post....
It's all just a little too strange.
Yup, I'm a newbie, been reading Penny Arcade, but never had anything to say until now. So now I have my second post! Weird grammar is becuase I didn't think we were English teachers, just gamers. At least I didn't post in l33t.
R&C was just a random bit of sign off, it's my favorite series, and gives a little info about the newbie.
But please, don't take my word for it. I'm probably a corporate shill trying to stir up momentum for the holidays. After all, what else do you know about me?
-Lavode
PS: Insomniac? Are you watching? Will sell out for $$$ or a chance to meet Jim Ward!
Oh I didn't want to accuse you of shilling. But you gotta admit that randomly mentioning ratchet n clank at the end of a OP talking about something completely different is kinda weird :P
Not at all, it happens all the time in normal conversation.
I mean it's not like if someone mentions Uncharted: Drake's Fortune by Naughty Dog, a well-respected developer on the Sony Playstation 3: the only console with the power of Blu-ray and the Cell processor to bring you, the consumer, High-quality entertainment then it means they're a shill.
I mean look how easily that rolled off the tongue there.
Oh I didn't want to accuse you of shilling. But you gotta admit that randomly mentioning ratchet n clank at the end of a OP talking about something completely different is kinda weird :P
Wow... those kids sound like real nut jobs. I am sure this is going to set off all sorts of negative reactions towards gaming in the media. In fact I can picture Bill O'Riley using this for his typical brain cell killing rant.
I think these parents who allowed their underage kids to play an M rated game, should be made an example of. They need to be held accountable.
An autopsy showed she had a broken wrist, more than 20 bruises, swelling of the brain, and bleeding in her neck muscles and under her spine, the affidavits said.
How can you blame the game for this? What the fuck sort of teens would beat up a girl ten years their junior, and to that extent? I mean it isn't just a punch in the heat of the moment. There are 20 bruises on her, and that takes some extensive beating. These kids didn't just try out one move, they reenacted an entire moveset.
If they hadn't done this now, I can guarantee they would have done something worse, had they had the chance to live their adult lives out in normal society.
Is this a cleverly disguised ad for Rachet and Clank?
I was thinking that too. Either that or CNN itself. New member, only one post, references R&C, weird grammar in the post....
It's all just a little too strange.
Yup, I'm a newbie, been reading Penny Arcade, but never had anything to say until now. So now I have my second post! Weird grammar is becuase I didn't think we were English teachers, just gamers. At least I didn't post in l33t.
R&C was just a random bit of sign off, it's my favorite series, and gives a little info about the newbie.
But please, don't take my word for it. I'm probably a corporate shill trying to stir up momentum for the holidays. After all, what else do you know about me?
-Lavode
PS: Insomniac? Are you watching? Will sell out for $$$ or a chance to meet Jim Ward!
Oh I didn't want to accuse you of shilling. But you gotta admit that randomly mentioning ratchet n clank at the end of a OP talking about something completely different is kinda weird :P
Not at all, it happens all the time in normal conversation.
I mean it's not like if someone mentions Uncharted: Drake's Fortune by Naughty Dog, a well-respected developer on the Sony Playstation 3: the only console with the power of Blu-ray and the Cell processor to bring you, the consumer, High-quality entertainment then it means they're a shill.
I mean look how easily that rolled off the tongue there.
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Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Watched this on CNN website this morning and their reporter made a point to mention they didn't mean this is related to Mortal Kombat the video game of the same name.
wait wtf? the headline was "Two teens charged in Mortal Combat Killing" how in fuck does that not imply that they were mortal combat linked, you fucking said it was linked in the motherfucking headline! Did they just hear that one was downstairs playing video games and they're so out of touch that was the only one they could think of off the top of their heads?
NES launched in Japan in 1983, Worldwide in 1985. Which would be nearly 23 years to Americans. Older to our friends on the island.
Ah yes, so his statement was quite silly indeed. Not a big deal though.
Do I reply to this line of thoughts or just let it go? Nah, Im always up for a good internet argument.
A: Perhaps I should have worded my original post a little more clearly. 'A thousand years' is clearly an arbitrary figure chosen by me to indicate domestic violence is nothing 'new' and someone, even a child, being killed by drunk teenagers is hardly something that has only just happened as a result of gaming.
Of course evidence for how far back domestic violence goes is hard to come by, hence chosing the period of 1000 years as an indication that what I meant to say was 'a really really fucking long time'.
As for gaming being around for at most 20 years. This is quite accurate. While gaming in any form can easily be traced back up to 50 years, as a form of electronic entertainment, modern gaming, gaming which could be recognisable enough to influence drunken teens into reenacting moves based on a fighting game to kill a child is only around 20 years old.
The earliest fighting games that you could consider polished and complete enough to influence someone, in terms of visuals and moveset, with enough sales to be considered even remotely mainstream enough for the chances of some random teens in America getting hold of it would be from around that time. Im sure wikipedia can help you here, the earliest recognisable fighting game is listed as Way of the fist, out in 1985, which is only 22 years ago.
Mortal Kombat itself, which is dierectly reference in the article, is only 15 years old, as it was released in 1992.
So I guess I probably should have been more clear in what my post was supposed to mean, which was this:
Blaming this act of drunken violence on the game, or video games in general, is once again stupid. Blaming it on drunken idiots or irresponsible parents is much more fitting. There is nothing inherent about video games which 'turns someone to violence' as what I was saying is that domestic violence of this kind has been around probably for the entirity of human history.
Blaming violence on games is another facet of the blame culture appearing in modern society, epsecially america. Everyone is looking for a scapegoat when the simplest answer is that it wasnt Mortal Kombat which forced these kids to kill an innocent child while drunk, but probably a combination of poor parenting, delinquency and booze.
I'm curious to see if these kids had the spear on a rope, or have somehow managed to create fire, electricity or cyrogenic energy from nothing but their willpower.
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
A: Perhaps I should have worded my original post a little more clearly. 'A thousand years' is clearly an arbitrary figure chosen by me to indicate domestic violence is nothing 'new' and someone, even a child, being killed by drunk teenagers is hardly something that has only just happened as a result of gaming.
Of course evidence for how far back domestic violence goes is hard to come by, hence chosing the period of 1000 years as an indication that what I meant to say was 'a really really fucking long time'.
As for gaming being around for at most 20 years. This is quite accurate. While gaming in any form can easily be traced back up to 50 years, as a form of electronic entertainment, modern gaming, gaming which could be recognisable enough to influence drunken teens into reenacting moves based on a fighting game to kill a child is only around 20 years old.
The earliest fighting games that you could consider polished and complete enough to influence someone, in terms of visuals and moveset, with enough sales to be considered even remotely mainstream enough for the chances of some random teens in America getting hold of it would be from around that time. Im sure wikipedia can help you here, the earliest recognisable fighting game is listed as Way of the fist, out in 1985, which is only 22 years ago.
This (emphasis mine) is the most arbitrary, vague statement to make, ever.
There is so much ambiguity in what is "...recognisable (sic) enough to influence drunken teens..." and "...games that you could consider polished and complete enough..." that it's impossible to even evaluate what that might mean.
I guess I'm just saying it's a really specific and long-winded way of saying nothing at all. Your final summary is much better. I'd have stuck with that.
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Everytime some idiot decides to go on a shooting spree like the Virgina Tech and the mall shooter recently, the first thing that comes to mind is I hope to god they did not play Grand Theft Auto.
A: Perhaps I should have worded my original post a little more clearly. 'A thousand years' is clearly an arbitrary figure chosen by me to indicate domestic violence is nothing 'new' and someone, even a child, being killed by drunk teenagers is hardly something that has only just happened as a result of gaming.
Of course evidence for how far back domestic violence goes is hard to come by, hence chosing the period of 1000 years as an indication that what I meant to say was 'a really really fucking long time'.
As for gaming being around for at most 20 years. This is quite accurate. While gaming in any form can easily be traced back up to 50 years, as a form of electronic entertainment, modern gaming, gaming which could be recognisable enough to influence drunken teens into reenacting moves based on a fighting game to kill a child is only around 20 years old.
The earliest fighting games that you could consider polished and complete enough to influence someone, in terms of visuals and moveset, with enough sales to be considered even remotely mainstream enough for the chances of some random teens in America getting hold of it would be from around that time. Im sure wikipedia can help you here, the earliest recognisable fighting game is listed as Way of the fist, out in 1985, which is only 22 years ago.
This (emphasis mine) is the most arbitrary, vague statement to make, ever.
There is so much ambiguity in what is "...recognisable (sic) enough to influence drunken teens..." and "...games that you could consider polished and complete enough..." that it's impossible to even evaluate what that might mean.
I guess I'm just saying it's a really specific and long-winded way of saying nothing at all. Your final summary is much better. I'd have stuck with that.
Indeed. I agree.
I think the whole 'point at which gaming was in its current format' is a good topic for discussion. Much like the recent segment on Top Gear where they researched which was the first car to be made in its modern format (steering wheel, gear stick, brake, gas, clutch etc)
I mean, sure pong is a video game. But its not of the same 'breed' as something like Sonic on the genesis.
I think the point is around the NES era. Somewhere there.
My point was, though, that I dont think someone could be influenced to kill by vector graphics. Then again, I didnt think anyone could be influenced by sprites or even GTA. But what do I know. Im not some lawyer with years of experience in the gaming field.
The whole 'video games are bad for our kids' thing makes me so mad sometimes I just ignore it. the only reason this thread even exists is because someone somewhere thought Mortal Kombat would be a good scapegoat.
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Before you guys get to worked up about the media slanting this as an Anti Video Game story, you should realize that the Defendants in their court affidavits claimed they were beating her in order to re-enact Mortal C(K)ombat. It wasn't the media bringing it up, it's the murderers.
Before you guys get to worked up about the media slanting this as an Anti Video Game story, you should realize that the Defendants in their court affidavits claimed they were beating her in order to re-enact Mortal C(K)ombat. It wasn't the media bringing it up, it's the murderers.
They also mentioned being drunk, and yet in the media coverage you don't see "Drunk teen kills child" you see "VIDJA GAMES KILLED A BABY"
Before you guys get to worked up about the media slanting this as an Anti Video Game story, you should realize that the Defendants in their court affidavits claimed they were beating her in order to re-enact Mortal C(K)ombat. It wasn't the media bringing it up, it's the murderers.
The stupid generation's alibi? Spectacular.
EDIT: Also... they were wrestling prior to the incident. Wrestling.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
I've also seen several situations where the parents DID see this coming and even tried to get the kid locked up to no avail. They recieved no help whatsoever and the kid ends up doing something like this.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
A stable person doesn't suddenly decide to beat up a little kid. If you take care in raising your child, you should know if your kid is messed up by the time he's 17, no? But most people let tv and society raise their child nowadays. I won't say it's necessarily the parents' fault, but I've seen so much bad parenting when I was living in a crummy neighborhood that i'd say the odds are good.
I remember once I saw a boy crying, then I heard his shitty father say something in the likes of (in a french equivalent): When some kid laughs at you, you don't cry! You punch him right in his fucking face! Don't be a pussy!
It's parents like that that cause situations like this.
Wow, this story is sad, vile, and disgusting... normally stories like this don't effect me this much.
How could 16 year olds and higher beat on a 7 year old enough for her to die with all those wounds?
You missed the key word: DRUNK.
I hope the find out who supplied the alcohol or made it available to these minors and also prosecute them. If the parents made the alcohol available I would think negligence would come into play here. The whole "mortal kombat made me do it!" feels like it is something a 12 year old would say. I wonder when Yak Thompson will rear his ugly head in this matter.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
A stable person doesn't suddenly decide to beat up a little kid. If you take care in raising your child, you should know if your kid is messed up by the time he's 17, no? But most people let tv and society raise their child nowadays. I won't say it's necessarily the parents' fault, but I've seen so much bad parenting when I was living in a crummy neighborhood that i'd say the odds are good.
I remember once I saw a boy crying, then I heard his shitty father say something in the likes of (in a french equivalent): When some kid laughs at you, you don't cry! You punch him right in his fucking face! Don't be a pussy!
It's parents like that that cause situations like this.
But you don't even know if that's the case in this incident. And yes normally stable people are capable of horrible things all it takes is the right circumstances. If you'd like I could unload a buttload of sociological research to back that up.
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
A stable person doesn't suddenly decide to beat up a little kid. If you take care in raising your child, you should know if your kid is messed up by the time he's 17, no? But most people let tv and society raise their child nowadays. I won't say it's necessarily the parents' fault, but I've seen so much bad parenting when I was living in a crummy neighborhood that i'd say the odds are good.
I remember once I saw a boy crying, then I heard his shitty father say something in the likes of (in a french equivalent): When some kid laughs at you, you don't cry! You punch him right in his fucking face! Don't be a pussy!
It's parents like that that cause situations like this.
But you don't even know if that's the case in this incident. And yes normally stable people are capable of horrible things all it takes is the right circumstances. If you'd like I could unload a buttload of sociological research to back that up.
Is there any documented evidence showing Mortal Kombat or any violent game ever has made a normally sane person snap and kill a 7 year old child?
I think we all know the cause here is a combination of bad parenting and drink.
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
A stable person doesn't suddenly decide to beat up a little kid. If you take care in raising your child, you should know if your kid is messed up by the time he's 17, no? But most people let tv and society raise their child nowadays. I won't say it's necessarily the parents' fault, but I've seen so much bad parenting when I was living in a crummy neighborhood that i'd say the odds are good.
I remember once I saw a boy crying, then I heard his shitty father say something in the likes of (in a french equivalent): When some kid laughs at you, you don't cry! You punch him right in his fucking face! Don't be a pussy!
It's parents like that that cause situations like this.
But you don't even know if that's the case in this incident. And yes normally stable people are capable of horrible things all it takes is the right circumstances. If you'd like I could unload a buttload of sociological research to back that up.
Is there any documented evidence showing Mortal Kombat or any violent game ever has made a normally sane person snap and kill a 7 year old child?
I think we all know the cause here is a combination of bad parenting and drink.
I never said anything about Mortal Kombat being the cause of the incident.
I'm talking about a high stress situation coupled with groupthink and impaired judgment from alcohol.
To me just dismissing stuff like this as bad parenting is equal to blaming the older sister for having a black boyfriend.
Because you know THEY always cause trouble. :roll:
People are so quick to make snap judgments from one or two articles without delving deeper and that's sad because that kind of thing leads to all of us knowing there are WMDs in Iraq and that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
A stable person doesn't suddenly decide to beat up a little kid. If you take care in raising your child, you should know if your kid is messed up by the time he's 17, no? But most people let tv and society raise their child nowadays. I won't say it's necessarily the parents' fault, but I've seen so much bad parenting when I was living in a crummy neighborhood that i'd say the odds are good.
I remember once I saw a boy crying, then I heard his shitty father say something in the likes of (in a french equivalent): When some kid laughs at you, you don't cry! You punch him right in his fucking face! Don't be a pussy!
It's parents like that that cause situations like this.
But you don't even know if that's the case in this incident. And yes normally stable people are capable of horrible things all it takes is the right circumstances. If you'd like I could unload a buttload of sociological research to back that up.
Is there any documented evidence showing Mortal Kombat or any violent game ever has made a normally sane person snap and kill a 7 year old child?
I think we all know the cause here is a combination of bad parenting and drink.
I never said anything about Mortal Kombat being the cause of the incident.
I'm talking about a high stress situation coupled with groupthink and impaired judgment from alcohol.
To me just dismissing stuff like this as bad parenting is equal to blaming the older sister for having a black boyfriend.
Because you know THEY always cause trouble. :roll:
People are so quick to make snap judgments from one or two articles without delving deeper and that's sad because that kind of thing leads to all of us knowing there are WMDs in Iraq and that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
But my parents raised me well and I havent killed 7 year old children recently.
But Im sure if I was even remotely bothered I could find a shitstorm of evidence connecting bad parenting to teenagers killing other people. A fucking shitstorm.
noone is saying thats proven to be the reason. But really, with a bit of common sense, surely it seems more likely than anything else?
I mean, of course the alcohol affected things. But are you saying the parents were completely blameless and raised perfectly normal kids?
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KageraImitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered Userregular
Brilliant parenting at work. Leave your kid with two drunk teens. Excellent.
I'm sure the parents put whiskey bottles in their hands and had the kids down a couple of shots before leaving.
Or maybe, JUST MAYBE, they didn't know about the drinking.
Crazy idea, kids hiding things from their parents, I know.
crazy idea, parents actually paying attention to who their kid's friends are and you know making sure stupid fuckwads aren't their to you know beat their children to death.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
A stable person doesn't suddenly decide to beat up a little kid. If you take care in raising your child, you should know if your kid is messed up by the time he's 17, no? But most people let tv and society raise their child nowadays. I won't say it's necessarily the parents' fault, but I've seen so much bad parenting when I was living in a crummy neighborhood that i'd say the odds are good.
I remember once I saw a boy crying, then I heard his shitty father say something in the likes of (in a french equivalent): When some kid laughs at you, you don't cry! You punch him right in his fucking face! Don't be a pussy!
It's parents like that that cause situations like this.
But you don't even know if that's the case in this incident. And yes normally stable people are capable of horrible things all it takes is the right circumstances. If you'd like I could unload a buttload of sociological research to back that up.
Is there any documented evidence showing Mortal Kombat or any violent game ever has made a normally sane person snap and kill a 7 year old child?
I think we all know the cause here is a combination of bad parenting and drink.
I never said anything about Mortal Kombat being the cause of the incident.
I'm talking about a high stress situation coupled with groupthink and impaired judgment from alcohol.
To me just dismissing stuff like this as bad parenting is equal to blaming the older sister for having a black boyfriend.
Because you know THEY always cause trouble. :roll:
People are so quick to make snap judgments from one or two articles without delving deeper and that's sad because that kind of thing leads to all of us knowing there are WMDs in Iraq and that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
But my parents raised me well and I havent killed 7 year old children recently.
But Im sure if I was even remotely bothered I could find a shitstorm of evidence connecting bad parenting to teenagers killing other people. A fucking shitstorm.
noone is saying thats proven to be the reason. But really, with a bit of common sense, surely it seems more likely than anything else?
I mean, of course the alcohol affected things. But are you saying the parents were completely blameless and raised perfectly normal kids?
I'm saying until there's evidence that these parents really are fuck ups I'm withholding judgment on how much they are to blame if at all.
I'm glad your parents raised you well and even better that you aren't a psychopath but not every family is so lucky. Sometimes no matter how good a family a child has they will end up doing something horrible.
I prefer to keep a healthy skepticism of everything despite what 'common sense' might say (again it was common sense at one point that there were WMDs in Iraq).
Before you guys get to worked up about the media slanting this as an Anti Video Game story, you should realize that the Defendants in their court affidavits claimed they were beating her in order to re-enact Mortal C(K)ombat. It wasn't the media bringing it up, it's the murderers.
They also mentioned being drunk, and yet in the media coverage you don't see "Drunk teen kills child" you see "VIDJA GAMES KILLED A BABY"
I explained this in the D&D thread, but it's really quite simple. "Mortal Kombat killing" sounds much better and makes for a better attention grabber than "Drunk teen kills child." It's not even a video game thing, it's for practically everything like another headline is "Alleged admission in 'Joe Cool' killing."
It's quite a stretch to say the media is blaming this on video games, since at no point in the original article do they and they only focus on what the prosecutor and documents say. Your rage would be better suited towards the individuals who committed the crime and have tried to mitigate the blame by both saying they were drunk (one of them said something along the lines that he couldn't remember because he was drunk) and video games, specifically Mortal Kombat, influenced them (it's not our fault, we were just imitating the video games). It's no different from any of the other things some perpetrators claim, such as sleepwalking, medication, television, etc. made them do it. The only reason any of you even notice is because it's your hobby.
Before you guys get to worked up about the media slanting this as an Anti Video Game story, you should realize that the Defendants in their court affidavits claimed they were beating her in order to re-enact Mortal C(K)ombat. It wasn't the media bringing it up, it's the murderers.
They also mentioned being drunk, and yet in the media coverage you don't see "Drunk teen kills child" you see "VIDJA GAMES KILLED A BABY"
I explained this in the D&D thread, but it's really quite simple. "Mortal Kombat killing" sounds much better and makes for a better attention grabber than "Drunk teen kills child." It's not even a video game thing, it's for practically everything like another headline is "Alleged admission in 'Joe Cool' killing."
It's quite a stretch to say the media is blaming this on video games, since at no point in the original article do they and they only focus on what the prosecutor and documents say. Your rage would be better suited towards the individuals who committed the crime and have tried to mitigate the blame by both saying they were drunk (one of them said something along the lines that he couldn't remember because he was drunk) and video games, specifically Mortal Kombat, influenced them (it's not our fault, we were just imitating the video games). It's no different from any of the other things some perpetrators claim, such as sleepwalking, medication, television, etc. made them do it. The only reason any of you even notice is because it's your hobby.
I think that's incorrect.
We notice not just because they mention video games, hey, drinking is my hobby too and I'm not upset about them mentioning that, nor would I be if they made that the headline. It's not that they mentioned a hobby of ours, it's that every time there is a violent incident Fox News, Jack Thompson, and a bunch of other folks start spouting on about how it was video games, and there are people who believe them. Video games are the hot thing to blame right now, and that's why there's more of a backlash from gamers who know better whenever they're instantly connected with a violent crime, or when someone uses them as an excuse.
Wow, this story is sad, vile, and disgusting... normally stories like this don't effect me this much.
How could 16 year olds and higher beat on a 7 year old enough for her to die with all those wounds?
I'm curious to see if any of those wounds were from prior to this incident. It could have been going on way before this.
I'm not going to instantly blame the parents as I've seen awesome parents with crappy kids. Sometimes it just works out that way. Sometimes kids just do stuff to fit in/peer pressure. Sometimes kids do stuff because they're stupid or just plain evil. Either way, I hope these kids stay behind bars.
Also, playing the Mortal Kombat card is lame. It's been done. It's getting old. Kids/people/whatever need to suck it up and take credit for their own retardation....
Unless, of course, the autopsy comes back with electrocution, dragon bites or harpoon stabbings.... then playing the Mortal Kombat is valid.
You can't say it is parent neglect until all the facts are out. It seems highly likely when they left their daughter with their son, they had no idea that their teenager would beat her to death. Also every time a teenager commits a major crime doesn't automatically mean bad parenting. Sometimes, it is just the kids own fault.
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Not at all, it happens all the time in normal conversation.
I mean it's not like if someone mentions Uncharted: Drake's Fortune by Naughty Dog, a well-respected developer on the Sony Playstation 3: the only console with the power of Blu-ray and the Cell processor to bring you, the consumer, High-quality entertainment then it means they're a shill.
I mean look how easily that rolled off the tongue there.
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Ah yes, so his statement was quite silly indeed. Not a big deal though.
Very true. Sorry for the non-sequitur!
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I think these parents who allowed their underage kids to play an M rated game, should be made an example of. They need to be held accountable.
How can you blame the game for this? What the fuck sort of teens would beat up a girl ten years their junior, and to that extent? I mean it isn't just a punch in the heat of the moment. There are 20 bruises on her, and that takes some extensive beating. These kids didn't just try out one move, they reenacted an entire moveset.
If they hadn't done this now, I can guarantee they would have done something worse, had they had the chance to live their adult lives out in normal society.
It was only a matter of time.
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Do I reply to this line of thoughts or just let it go? Nah, Im always up for a good internet argument.
A: Perhaps I should have worded my original post a little more clearly. 'A thousand years' is clearly an arbitrary figure chosen by me to indicate domestic violence is nothing 'new' and someone, even a child, being killed by drunk teenagers is hardly something that has only just happened as a result of gaming.
Of course evidence for how far back domestic violence goes is hard to come by, hence chosing the period of 1000 years as an indication that what I meant to say was 'a really really fucking long time'.
As for gaming being around for at most 20 years. This is quite accurate. While gaming in any form can easily be traced back up to 50 years, as a form of electronic entertainment, modern gaming, gaming which could be recognisable enough to influence drunken teens into reenacting moves based on a fighting game to kill a child is only around 20 years old.
The earliest fighting games that you could consider polished and complete enough to influence someone, in terms of visuals and moveset, with enough sales to be considered even remotely mainstream enough for the chances of some random teens in America getting hold of it would be from around that time. Im sure wikipedia can help you here, the earliest recognisable fighting game is listed as Way of the fist, out in 1985, which is only 22 years ago.
Mortal Kombat itself, which is dierectly reference in the article, is only 15 years old, as it was released in 1992.
So I guess I probably should have been more clear in what my post was supposed to mean, which was this:
Blaming this act of drunken violence on the game, or video games in general, is once again stupid. Blaming it on drunken idiots or irresponsible parents is much more fitting. There is nothing inherent about video games which 'turns someone to violence' as what I was saying is that domestic violence of this kind has been around probably for the entirity of human history.
Blaming violence on games is another facet of the blame culture appearing in modern society, epsecially america. Everyone is looking for a scapegoat when the simplest answer is that it wasnt Mortal Kombat which forced these kids to kill an innocent child while drunk, but probably a combination of poor parenting, delinquency and booze.
Sane idea, "is a violent drunk" might not have been on the kid's résumé.
As I said, I assumed as much.
This (emphasis mine) is the most arbitrary, vague statement to make, ever.
There is so much ambiguity in what is "...recognisable (sic) enough to influence drunken teens..." and "...games that you could consider polished and complete enough..." that it's impossible to even evaluate what that might mean.
I guess I'm just saying it's a really specific and long-winded way of saying nothing at all. Your final summary is much better. I'd have stuck with that.
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Poor Kid. Although from what it sounds like, she got out easy, if her siblings were any indication of her family situation
Indeed. I agree.
I think the whole 'point at which gaming was in its current format' is a good topic for discussion. Much like the recent segment on Top Gear where they researched which was the first car to be made in its modern format (steering wheel, gear stick, brake, gas, clutch etc)
I mean, sure pong is a video game. But its not of the same 'breed' as something like Sonic on the genesis.
I think the point is around the NES era. Somewhere there.
My point was, though, that I dont think someone could be influenced to kill by vector graphics. Then again, I didnt think anyone could be influenced by sprites or even GTA. But what do I know. Im not some lawyer with years of experience in the gaming field.
The whole 'video games are bad for our kids' thing makes me so mad sometimes I just ignore it. the only reason this thread even exists is because someone somewhere thought Mortal Kombat would be a good scapegoat.
Dude.. did you ever play the Virtual Boy?
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They also mentioned being drunk, and yet in the media coverage you don't see "Drunk teen kills child" you see "VIDJA GAMES KILLED A BABY"
The stupid generation's alibi? Spectacular.
EDIT: Also... they were wrestling prior to the incident. Wrestling.
Yeah because all the bad guys wear black hats and the good guys white hats so it's easy to see who's actually good and who's fake.
I'm sure your kids will NEVER get away with anything behind your back, I nominate you for Dad of the Year for 2020.
When your 17 years old kid thinks that beating up a 7 years old is funny, you failed somewhere as a parent. Or the kids were just plain stupid.
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Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
I've also seen several situations where the parents DID see this coming and even tried to get the kid locked up to no avail. They recieved no help whatsoever and the kid ends up doing something like this.
Unless the kid had a history of violent behavior or mental instability I don't see how a parent could prepare for such a situation. I mean, how many mothers and fathers think their kid is going to do something like this?
It's so fucking easy to say 'oh that parent was to blame or was fucking stupid' but most parents have the perception that 'my kid wouldn't do that!'
How could 16 year olds and higher beat on a 7 year old enough for her to die with all those wounds?
You missed the key word: DRUNK.
A stable person doesn't suddenly decide to beat up a little kid. If you take care in raising your child, you should know if your kid is messed up by the time he's 17, no? But most people let tv and society raise their child nowadays. I won't say it's necessarily the parents' fault, but I've seen so much bad parenting when I was living in a crummy neighborhood that i'd say the odds are good.
I remember once I saw a boy crying, then I heard his shitty father say something in the likes of (in a french equivalent): When some kid laughs at you, you don't cry! You punch him right in his fucking face! Don't be a pussy!
It's parents like that that cause situations like this.
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I hope the find out who supplied the alcohol or made it available to these minors and also prosecute them. If the parents made the alcohol available I would think negligence would come into play here. The whole "mortal kombat made me do it!" feels like it is something a 12 year old would say. I wonder when Yak Thompson will rear his ugly head in this matter.
But you don't even know if that's the case in this incident. And yes normally stable people are capable of horrible things all it takes is the right circumstances. If you'd like I could unload a buttload of sociological research to back that up.
Is there any documented evidence showing Mortal Kombat or any violent game ever has made a normally sane person snap and kill a 7 year old child?
I think we all know the cause here is a combination of bad parenting and drink.
I never said anything about Mortal Kombat being the cause of the incident.
I'm talking about a high stress situation coupled with groupthink and impaired judgment from alcohol.
To me just dismissing stuff like this as bad parenting is equal to blaming the older sister for having a black boyfriend.
Because you know THEY always cause trouble. :roll:
People are so quick to make snap judgments from one or two articles without delving deeper and that's sad because that kind of thing leads to all of us knowing there are WMDs in Iraq and that Iran is developing nuclear weapons.
But my parents raised me well and I havent killed 7 year old children recently.
But Im sure if I was even remotely bothered I could find a shitstorm of evidence connecting bad parenting to teenagers killing other people. A fucking shitstorm.
noone is saying thats proven to be the reason. But really, with a bit of common sense, surely it seems more likely than anything else?
I mean, of course the alcohol affected things. But are you saying the parents were completely blameless and raised perfectly normal kids?
I'm saying until there's evidence that these parents really are fuck ups I'm withholding judgment on how much they are to blame if at all.
I'm glad your parents raised you well and even better that you aren't a psychopath but not every family is so lucky. Sometimes no matter how good a family a child has they will end up doing something horrible.
I prefer to keep a healthy skepticism of everything despite what 'common sense' might say (again it was common sense at one point that there were WMDs in Iraq).
Anyway that's just my two cents.
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I explained this in the D&D thread, but it's really quite simple. "Mortal Kombat killing" sounds much better and makes for a better attention grabber than "Drunk teen kills child." It's not even a video game thing, it's for practically everything like another headline is "Alleged admission in 'Joe Cool' killing."
It's quite a stretch to say the media is blaming this on video games, since at no point in the original article do they and they only focus on what the prosecutor and documents say. Your rage would be better suited towards the individuals who committed the crime and have tried to mitigate the blame by both saying they were drunk (one of them said something along the lines that he couldn't remember because he was drunk) and video games, specifically Mortal Kombat, influenced them (it's not our fault, we were just imitating the video games). It's no different from any of the other things some perpetrators claim, such as sleepwalking, medication, television, etc. made them do it. The only reason any of you even notice is because it's your hobby.
I think that's incorrect.
We notice not just because they mention video games, hey, drinking is my hobby too and I'm not upset about them mentioning that, nor would I be if they made that the headline. It's not that they mentioned a hobby of ours, it's that every time there is a violent incident Fox News, Jack Thompson, and a bunch of other folks start spouting on about how it was video games, and there are people who believe them. Video games are the hot thing to blame right now, and that's why there's more of a backlash from gamers who know better whenever they're instantly connected with a violent crime, or when someone uses them as an excuse.
I'm curious to see if any of those wounds were from prior to this incident. It could have been going on way before this.
I'm not going to instantly blame the parents as I've seen awesome parents with crappy kids. Sometimes it just works out that way. Sometimes kids just do stuff to fit in/peer pressure. Sometimes kids do stuff because they're stupid or just plain evil. Either way, I hope these kids stay behind bars.
Also, playing the Mortal Kombat card is lame. It's been done. It's getting old. Kids/people/whatever need to suck it up and take credit for their own retardation....
Unless, of course, the autopsy comes back with electrocution, dragon bites or harpoon stabbings.... then playing the Mortal Kombat is valid.
Using the alcohol as an excuse is just about as ignorant as the claims that Mortal Kombat inspired their violence.
The real reason is pure mental sickness and parent neglect.