The PS3 friend list is in the XMB. Each game can have its own seperate friends list though... but unless im mistaken your XMB friends list is automatically imported into the games friend list.
Does that mean that some games don't use the XMB friends list, or just that they have an extra one on top of it?
I know warhawk uses the XMB as its friends list. Its awesome, I just load up the PA clan page, see if theyre online and jump right into their server if they are.
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What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
The fact that Silver is free is irrelevant to the argument proposed by most happy Gold customers, and by repeating this request over and over you are busy building a strawman.
The point is, Live Gold, feature by feature, is a far more attractive proposition, despite the minimal cost associated, than the free PSN service, which is not as feature rich, and in some cases, has lead to online functionality being wholly removed from the PS3 game, with the same title 360 benefitting from full online functionality.
I haven't had time to read the whole thread yet, but I'm sure most of the responses were "what games do you like? Which system has the games you want to play?" etc ... It strikes me that this forum is very zen about this question.
"360 or PS3?"
"Only you may answer that question, young one."
Okay. 7 hours... Now how much did you pay for it, when it first came out? $50? For an SNES game, right? If we do some number crunching (now bear with me):
$60 / 10 = $6 an hour of entertainment.
$50/ 7 = $7.15 an hour of entertainment.
Now. Obviously (to me) looks like HS is the better "deal". But really, how often were you actually playing HS? There are a TON of cutscenes, and adding the QTE stuff... I'm sure it would be on par with Super Metroid.
Plus I'm a collection whore, so I have to get most everything on my first run through.
EDIT: Plus, like I said above, we were very easy to please back then. You can now buy Super Metroid for $6 on the Wii, and play it with the classic controller just fine.
I can see your point. HS is not the game for you.
But I actually like QTE-heavy games, it makes you feel epic. God of War was awesome in that respect.
I also am a bit of a collection whore too. I've invested a lot of time into HS the second time around in an attempt to get all the stars/coins whatever they are. The mechanic of letting you re-play any part of the game again is really cool, but the load times get old. My only 2 complaints are that the loading screens were a bit much sometimes and the bosses were too predictable. Other than that it was excellent fun.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
Just stop responding to him. He cleary has the "answer" and any reasoning you provide will be summarily ignored or deemed "inadequate".
The Silver / Gold membership is actually a brilliant pricing system that practices a form of price discrimination. They know that the people who play multi-player online are probably going to be the more "hard core" player who spends more money on the hobby and are much less price sensative (especially for a nominal $50 annual fee). They use this price tolerance to provide a subsidy to the "casuals" who wouldn't pay for online service but would take advantage of it for free. Everyone wins because hard-cores pay a fee that (to them) is really small and have access to a great service while casuals get access to on-line content they otherwise wouldn't access (not willing to pay). And MS maximizes its ancillary revenue possibilities by getting everyone in the marketplace. It's like a capitalistic orgy!
Silver accounts let you do mostly everything aside from the actual online multiplayer. I forget if you can actually send messages or not -- I think you can, but you can't from xbox.com, that much I know. Gold members also get access to occasional demos/trailers/etc. early, although the lion's share of stuff is accessible to both Gold and Silver at the same time.
Yes you can. A friend and I used to send messages back and forth while he was logged into his silver account.
Thanks! So, so far your Live subscription $ definitely goes toward enabling online multiplayer. Check. What else?
Subsidizing silver memberships? MS wants everyone to have access to marketplace, games, etc. (that's how they makes the monies) so instead of charging to access these items they instead make it free and charge a pretty nominal fee (when viewed in connection with how much games cost, etc.) for those who want to play multi-player. Great deal for Silvers, not so great for gold, but either way the service they are providing is obviously viewed by enough people to justify a $50 price
Yup.
$50 a year is less than the cost of one game.
I can pass up one game per year in order to pay that price, and have access to the quality of theonline service.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
He is willfully ignorant. He is attempting to prove a stupid point, and minimizing any information that goes against it.
This. Abducens is border line trolling on almost every post. Threads like this are one of the reasons I love posting here but it seems like a few people are just dead set on fighting rather than having meaningful discussions.
Wow, lots of evasiveness on the question of what you actually get for your Gold subscription. I've actively petitioned for answers from the 360 community, and the responses I get are:
"If you don't know by now, you never will."
"Why does it matter?"
"You are willfully ignorant."
Why the evasiveness? I didn't think this was a very tough question. The 360 community appears to be very, very enthusiastic about Live. I just want to know some specifics as to why.
The sad state of consoles this generation is that while we're swimming in a sea of amazing games, 90 percent of the discussion always boils down to the freaking hardware. Even in this topic, about 4 of the 5 pages have kind of swept aside the actual discussion of games to "get what you like" and then dove back into talk about the online setup and the console reliability and such.
On a related note, while we all toss around the $50 pricepoint for a year of Live I hope everyone here is hitting up cheapassgamer and other related great-deals-online sites, because I got my first year of Live for $10 and just scored a second 12-month card for $30, which really quells almost any argument of "is it worth it" in my eyes. That doesn't change the philosophical debate about whether you should be paying in the first place or not—a favorite pastime on message boards—but from an operational standpoint it neutralizes a lot of frustration.
EDIT: abducens, the cost goes to online multiplayer. Very little else otherwise. In other news, while looking at your previous post history I can't help but notice that in the past month you've done nothing but ask polite questions about the 360's reliability and Live in threads such as "Sony refuses to warranty PS3" and "360 or PS3?" and "So my 360 died." May I ask why you're so interested in the topic?
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
He is willfully ignorant. He is attempting to prove a stupid point, and minimizing any information that goes against it.
This. Abducens is border line trolling on almost every post. Threads like this are one of the reasons I love posting here but it seems like a few people are just dead set on fighting rather than having meaningful discussions.
I just want an answer to the question. I appreciate that 360 fans love Live. No arguing, Live is great. I just don't understand what specifically it has on the PS3 that you justify paying for. Not trying to troll or be combative, I think this is very relevant in a thread where the OP is deciding between PS3 and 360. I hope the powers-that-be keep this is mind now that we are throwing troll accusations out there.
If we are saying Gold users are: 1, playing multiplayer online and 2, subsidizing Silver accounts, then it sure seems to me that the PS3 offers the exact same thing without having to pay for it. If you guys are okay with that, fine, if you want to add to it, fine too.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
He is willfully ignorant. He is attempting to prove a stupid point, and minimizing any information that goes against it.
This. Abducens is border line trolling on almost every post. Threads like this are one of the reasons I love posting here but it seems like a few people are just dead set on fighting rather than having meaningful discussions.
I just want an answer to the question. I appreciate that 360 fans love Live. No arguing, Live is great. I just don't understand what specifically it has on the PS3 that you justify paying for. Not trying to troll or be combative, I think this is very relevant in a thread where the OP is deciding between PS3 and 360. I hope the powers-that-be keep this is mind now that we are throwing troll accusations out there.
You already got an answer in this quote tree. It's not even a particuarly rah-rah 360 answer. It's not our fault it's not negative enough for you.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
and in some cases, has lead to online functionality being wholly removed from the PS3 game
WHOA. WHOA.
Source?
Virtual Tennis 3, try playing it online.
Never heard of it. Can you break it down for me?
That explains why I've never heard of a case like that.
<--- not into sports games.
I always thought playing a virtual game of a game was kinda silly. Why not go outside and just play tennis/basketball/football/soccer/whatever? I can understand I guess if you want to pretend like you're the big famous pro athletes, I guess.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
He is willfully ignorant. He is attempting to prove a stupid point, and minimizing any information that goes against it.
This. Abducens is border line trolling on almost every post. Threads like this are one of the reasons I love posting here but it seems like a few people are just dead set on fighting rather than having meaningful discussions.
I just want an answer to the question. I appreciate that 360 fans love Live. No arguing, Live is great. I just don't understand what specifically it has on the PS3 that you justify paying for. Not trying to troll or be combative, I think this is very relevant in a thread where the OP is deciding between PS3 and 360. I hope the powers-that-be keep this is mind now that we are throwing troll accusations out there.
Lunkers first post on the subject pretty much covered the main reason. There are a ton of little reasons why Live rocks. In some ways you do have to get hands on with both to really appreciate how much better Live is. Plus this horse has been beat the shit out of for the last 5 years. I am starting to feel bad for the horse.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
He is willfully ignorant. He is attempting to prove a stupid point, and minimizing any information that goes against it.
This. Abducens is border line trolling on almost every post. Threads like this are one of the reasons I love posting here but it seems like a few people are just dead set on fighting rather than having meaningful discussions.
I just want an answer to the question. I appreciate that 360 fans love Live. No arguing, Live is great. I just don't understand what specifically it has on the PS3 that you justify paying for. Not trying to troll or be combative, I think this is very relevant in a thread where the OP is deciding between PS3 and 360. I hope the powers-that-be keep this is mind now that we are throwing troll accusations out there.
The difference have been pointed out (and you have even quoted them). Your "clever" attempt to focus on what you get from a Gold membership versus Silver misses the very obvious point (which has been made multiple times) that all the services of LIVE cost money and they are being paid for through Gold subscriptions. I will make sure to tell the the 360 Mafia to avoid banning you PS3 Jesus. Maybe we can find a cross avatar for you to bear so we can see it on all your posts.
EDIT:
Just to break it down even further for you, if there were no Gold memberships much of the functionality of LIVE that has been mentioned (including in your own posts) wouldn't be available. Thus, the Gold members are paying to have access to all the features that have been mentioned plus multi-player. Absent these fees, LIVE would be the same stripped down online service that PSN currently is. Let me know if you are still having problems grasping this concept.
Got it, got it. Gold accounts pay for the infrastructure of Live. Which I am hearing cannot be fully appreciated till you immerse yourself in it. Asking for specifics is a plain silly exercise because its greatness defies words itself.
Just another day at PA Forums . You guys are a hoot!
That explains why I've never heard of a case like that.
<--- not into sports games.
I always thought playing a virtual game of a game was kinda silly. Why not go outside and just play tennis/basketball/football/soccer/whatever? I can understand I guess if you want to pretend like you're the big famous pro athletes, I guess.
I'm not into sports either but I can understand the draw. Sports computer games feel nothing like playing sports in person though, it's like saying flying a plane in a game feels the same as it does in real life. It doesn't, usually.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
I've just gotta respond to this. The Gold users are not subsidizing the system for the silver members. Silver members get messaging, demos, videos, and the ability to buy XBLA games. Gold users are definitely not subsidizing XBLA games (since everybody pays for them), the cost of distributing demos and videos comes out of the marketing budgets from the games (not the wallets of the gold members), and the cost of messaging is fairly negligible in the process (heck the ad revenue from the dashboard ad is probably far more than the cost of messaging).
Gold users aren't paying for anything that actually costs $50 per year. They're paying a premium for a service (online multi-player play) ... and there's nothing beyond that. It costs $50 per year because people are willing to pay that, and for no other reason. Silver memberships aren't subsidized ... Silver members only really have access to one-time-pay content (that they pay for) and advertisements.
Wow, lots of evasiveness on the question of what you actually get for your Gold subscription.
You get online multiplayer. Why is that so hard to answer? And why is it so hard to accept as an answer?
Just because you get it for free on PSN doesn't mean that people aren't going to be willing to pay for it on the 360. People pick platforms based on what games they want to play, not the pay structure of the packaged online service. If you want to play Halo 3 online, PSN isn't an option. If you want to play Resistance online, XBL isn't an option.
I can understand if that's not worth $50 per year to you. It's not for me either. But clearly that's worth $50 per year to several thousand Gold members.
Lunkers first post on the subject pretty much covered the main reason. There are a ton of little reasons why Live rocks. In some ways you do have to get hands on with both to really appreciate how much better Live is. Plus this horse has been beat the shit out of for the last 5 years. I am starting to feel bad for the horse.
The sad state of consoles this generation is that while we're swimming in a sea of amazing games, 90 percent of the discussion always boils down to the freaking hardware.
I suppose that's proof positive that there are plenty of games for both systems. Not for me personally, but there are games that some gamers will like on both, either, or.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
I've just gotta respond to this. The Gold users are not subsidizing the system for the silver members. Silver members get messaging, demos, videos, and the ability to buy XBLA games. Gold users are definitely not subsidizing XBLA games (since everybody pays for them), the cost of distributing demos and videos comes out of the marketing budgets from the games (not the wallets of the gold members), and the cost of messaging is fairly negligible in the process (heck the ad revenue from the dashboard ad is probably far more than the cost of messaging).
Gold users aren't paying for anything that actually costs $50 per year. They're paying a premium for a service (online multi-player play) ... and there's nothing beyond that. It costs $50 per year because people are willing to pay that, and for no other reason. Silver memberships aren't subsidized ... Silver members only really have access to one-time-pay content (that they pay for) and advertisements.
Ai-yi-yi, now I'm really confused. Okay, so it really is just online multiplayer. Which is free on PS3. Hey thanks!
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
I've just gotta respond to this. The Gold users are not subsidizing the system for the silver members. Silver members get messaging, demos, videos, and the ability to buy XBLA games. Gold users are definitely not subsidizing XBLA games (since everybody pays for them), the cost of distributing demos and videos comes out of the marketing budgets from the games (not the wallets of the gold members), and the cost of messaging is fairly negligible in the process (heck the ad revenue from the dashboard ad is probably far more than the cost of messaging).
Gold users aren't paying for anything that actually costs $50 per year. They're paying a premium for a service (online multi-player play) ... and there's nothing beyond that. It costs $50 per year because people are willing to pay that, and for no other reason. Silver memberships aren't subsidized ... Silver members only really have access to one-time-pay content (that they pay for) and advertisements.
Whether you like it or not, Gold users are subsidising the costs of hosting demos, matchmaking server lists and probably paying the wages of those who do OS updates. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying i'm willing to pay for it because it's the better system. In an ideal world it'd be free and there'd be no need to squabble.
Lunkers first post on the subject pretty much covered the main reason. There are a ton of little reasons why Live rocks. In some ways you do have to get hands on with both to really appreciate how much better Live is. Plus this horse has been beat the shit out of for the last 5 years. I am starting to feel bad for the horse.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
I've just gotta respond to this. The Gold users are not subsidizing the system for the silver members. Silver members get messaging, demos, videos, and the ability to buy XBLA games. Gold users are definitely not subsidizing XBLA games (since everybody pays for them), the cost of distributing demos and videos comes out of the marketing budgets from the games (not the wallets of the gold members), and the cost of messaging is fairly negligible in the process (heck the ad revenue from the dashboard ad is probably far more than the cost of messaging).
Gold users aren't paying for anything that actually costs $50 per year. They're paying a premium for a service (online multi-player play) ... and there's nothing beyond that. It costs $50 per year because people are willing to pay that, and for no other reason. Silver memberships aren't subsidized ... Silver members only really have access to one-time-pay content (that they pay for) and advertisements.
Whether you like it or not, Gold users are subsidising the costs of hosting demos, matchmaking server lists and probably paying the wages of those who do OS updates. I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying i'm willing to pay for it because it's the better system. In an ideal world it'd be free and there'd be no need to squabble.
I wouldn't argue with him mausmalone, he might give you the "I can't hear you" treatment. At recess, he won't let you swing next to him either.
What do you get for the Gold price that you can't get, other than item #1 I listed, with a Silver?
Are you stupid in some way? Or are you really that ignorant?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
I've just gotta respond to this. The Gold users are not subsidizing the system for the silver members. Silver members get messaging, demos, videos, and the ability to buy XBLA games. Gold users are definitely not subsidizing XBLA games (since everybody pays for them), the cost of distributing demos and videos comes out of the marketing budgets from the games (not the wallets of the gold members), and the cost of messaging is fairly negligible in the process (heck the ad revenue from the dashboard ad is probably far more than the cost of messaging).
Gold users aren't paying for anything that actually costs $50 per year. They're paying a premium for a service (online multi-player play) ... and there's nothing beyond that. It costs $50 per year because people are willing to pay that, and for no other reason. Silver memberships aren't subsidized ... Silver members only really have access to one-time-pay content (that they pay for) and advertisements.
Care to reference any supporting data that the Xbox LIVE interface, features, and updates actually cost nothing to create or maintain? If that is the case, it is surprising that Sony can't provide a similar service (as there are apparently no cost barriers). MS must just be that much better
It might be worth mentioning that having Gold also entitles the occasional free download. I've had a bunch of DLC which previously cost cash for free after a time, the Silver-availablility was case-specific for those I think.
Plus full games; Hexic, Texas Hold 'em, Aegis Wing and Carcassonne have been available free for limited times with a Gold account. And maybe Uno too, can't quite remember now.
That explains why I've never heard of a case like that.
<--- not into sports games.
I always thought playing a virtual game of a game was kinda silly. Why not go outside and just play tennis/basketball/football/soccer/whatever? I can understand I guess if you want to pretend like you're the big famous pro athletes, I guess.
I'm not into sports either but I can understand the draw. Sports computer games feel nothing like playing sports in person though, it's like saying flying a plane in a game feels the same as it does in real life. It doesn't, usually.
stupid flight sims ruining my example
Ah, ok, I can see that. Yeah, actually I like flight sims when they're not... sims. If that makes any sense at all. When throttle makes the engine torque and affects roll, forcing you to counter-stick every time you accelerate or decelerate, then the game lost my interest. When they go even further and force you to make a flight plan and such, then they're just trying to piss me off.
Okay. 7 hours... Now how much did you pay for it, when it first came out? $50? For an SNES game, right? If we do some number crunching (now bear with me):
$60 / 10 = $6 an hour of entertainment.
$50/ 7 = $7.15 an hour of entertainment.
Now. Obviously (to me) looks like HS is the better "deal". But really, how often were you actually playing HS? There are a TON of cutscenes, and adding the QTE stuff... I'm sure it would be on par with Super Metroid.
Plus I'm a collection whore, so I have to get most everything on my first run through.
EDIT: Plus, like I said above, we were very easy to please back then. You can now buy Super Metroid for $6 on the Wii, and play it with the classic controller just fine.
I can see your point. HS is not the game for you.
But I actually like QTE-heavy games, it makes you feel epic. God of War was awesome in that respect.
I also am a bit of a collection whore too. I've invested a lot of time into HS the second time around in an attempt to get all the stars/coins whatever they are. The mechanic of letting you re-play any part of the game again is really cool, but the load times get old. My only 2 complaints are that the loading screens were a bit much sometimes and the bosses were too predictable. Other than that it was excellent fun.
Yeah I didn't like God of War either. :P Maybe it's just the QTEs that bother me? In RE4 they were pretty subtle, but now they're going out of control. Jericho is another game could have done without QTEs.
I wouldn't argue with him mausmalone, he might give you the "I can't hear you" treatment. At recess, he won't let you swing next to him either.
I don't mind discussing issues with someone who listens and puts forward valid points.
Maybe if you'll try that I'll speak to you like a big boy.
Oh you're actually funnier to deal with if you don't talk to me directly. Do more of the mmmmmmm I can't hear you stuff, that was Comic Gold. Or should I say, that was Comic "stuff-I-could-get-elsewhere-for-free-but-was-duped-into-paying-for-by-slick-marketing."
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Does that mean that some games don't use the XMB friends list, or just that they have an extra one on top of it?
I'm serious, I understand what you're asking but you've asked it several times. THE GOLD USERS ARE SUBSIDISING THE WHOLE SYSTEM FOR THE SILVER USERS.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
He is willfully ignorant. He is attempting to prove a stupid point, and minimizing any information that goes against it.
I know warhawk uses the XMB as its friends list. Its awesome, I just load up the PA clan page, see if theyre online and jump right into their server if they are.
The fact that Silver is free is irrelevant to the argument proposed by most happy Gold customers, and by repeating this request over and over you are busy building a strawman.
The point is, Live Gold, feature by feature, is a far more attractive proposition, despite the minimal cost associated, than the free PSN service, which is not as feature rich, and in some cases, has lead to online functionality being wholly removed from the PS3 game, with the same title 360 benefitting from full online functionality.
"360 or PS3?"
"Only you may answer that question, young one."
WHOA. WHOA.
Source?
But I actually like QTE-heavy games, it makes you feel epic. God of War was awesome in that respect.
I also am a bit of a collection whore too. I've invested a lot of time into HS the second time around in an attempt to get all the stars/coins whatever they are. The mechanic of letting you re-play any part of the game again is really cool, but the load times get old. My only 2 complaints are that the loading screens were a bit much sometimes and the bosses were too predictable. Other than that it was excellent fun.
Just stop responding to him. He cleary has the "answer" and any reasoning you provide will be summarily ignored or deemed "inadequate".
The Silver / Gold membership is actually a brilliant pricing system that practices a form of price discrimination. They know that the people who play multi-player online are probably going to be the more "hard core" player who spends more money on the hobby and are much less price sensative (especially for a nominal $50 annual fee). They use this price tolerance to provide a subsidy to the "casuals" who wouldn't pay for online service but would take advantage of it for free. Everyone wins because hard-cores pay a fee that (to them) is really small and have access to a great service while casuals get access to on-line content they otherwise wouldn't access (not willing to pay). And MS maximizes its ancillary revenue possibilities by getting everyone in the marketplace. It's like a capitalistic orgy!
Hey same here for me on the PS3!
This. Abducens is border line trolling on almost every post. Threads like this are one of the reasons I love posting here but it seems like a few people are just dead set on fighting rather than having meaningful discussions.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
Never heard of it. Can you break it down for me?
"If you don't know by now, you never will."
"Why does it matter?"
"You are willfully ignorant."
Why the evasiveness? I didn't think this was a very tough question. The 360 community appears to be very, very enthusiastic about Live. I just want to know some specifics as to why.
On a related note, while we all toss around the $50 pricepoint for a year of Live I hope everyone here is hitting up cheapassgamer and other related great-deals-online sites, because I got my first year of Live for $10 and just scored a second 12-month card for $30, which really quells almost any argument of "is it worth it" in my eyes. That doesn't change the philosophical debate about whether you should be paying in the first place or not—a favorite pastime on message boards—but from an operational standpoint it neutralizes a lot of frustration.
EDIT: abducens, the cost goes to online multiplayer. Very little else otherwise. In other news, while looking at your previous post history I can't help but notice that in the past month you've done nothing but ask polite questions about the 360's reliability and Live in threads such as "Sony refuses to warranty PS3" and "360 or PS3?" and "So my 360 died." May I ask why you're so interested in the topic?
That wouldn't support Fraggle's reasons though. It was due to Sega not getting the online code soon enough near launch.
Virtual Fighter might prove his point though, as there's no excuse for that not having online other than Sega not wanting to front the costs on PS3.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
I just want an answer to the question. I appreciate that 360 fans love Live. No arguing, Live is great. I just don't understand what specifically it has on the PS3 that you justify paying for. Not trying to troll or be combative, I think this is very relevant in a thread where the OP is deciding between PS3 and 360. I hope the powers-that-be keep this is mind now that we are throwing troll accusations out there.
If we are saying Gold users are: 1, playing multiplayer online and 2, subsidizing Silver accounts, then it sure seems to me that the PS3 offers the exact same thing without having to pay for it. If you guys are okay with that, fine, if you want to add to it, fine too.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
You already got an answer in this quote tree. It's not even a particuarly rah-rah 360 answer. It's not our fault it's not negative enough for you.
That explains why I've never heard of a case like that.
<--- not into sports games.
I always thought playing a virtual game of a game was kinda silly. Why not go outside and just play tennis/basketball/football/soccer/whatever? I can understand I guess if you want to pretend like you're the big famous pro athletes, I guess.
Lunkers first post on the subject pretty much covered the main reason. There are a ton of little reasons why Live rocks. In some ways you do have to get hands on with both to really appreciate how much better Live is. Plus this horse has been beat the shit out of for the last 5 years. I am starting to feel bad for the horse.
The difference have been pointed out (and you have even quoted them). Your "clever" attempt to focus on what you get from a Gold membership versus Silver misses the very obvious point (which has been made multiple times) that all the services of LIVE cost money and they are being paid for through Gold subscriptions. I will make sure to tell the the 360 Mafia to avoid banning you PS3 Jesus. Maybe we can find a cross avatar for you to bear so we can see it on all your posts.
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Just to break it down even further for you, if there were no Gold memberships much of the functionality of LIVE that has been mentioned (including in your own posts) wouldn't be available. Thus, the Gold members are paying to have access to all the features that have been mentioned plus multi-player. Absent these fees, LIVE would be the same stripped down online service that PSN currently is. Let me know if you are still having problems grasping this concept.
Got it, got it. Gold accounts pay for the infrastructure of Live. Which I am hearing cannot be fully appreciated till you immerse yourself in it. Asking for specifics is a plain silly exercise because its greatness defies words itself.
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PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
I've just gotta respond to this. The Gold users are not subsidizing the system for the silver members. Silver members get messaging, demos, videos, and the ability to buy XBLA games. Gold users are definitely not subsidizing XBLA games (since everybody pays for them), the cost of distributing demos and videos comes out of the marketing budgets from the games (not the wallets of the gold members), and the cost of messaging is fairly negligible in the process (heck the ad revenue from the dashboard ad is probably far more than the cost of messaging).
Gold users aren't paying for anything that actually costs $50 per year. They're paying a premium for a service (online multi-player play) ... and there's nothing beyond that. It costs $50 per year because people are willing to pay that, and for no other reason. Silver memberships aren't subsidized ... Silver members only really have access to one-time-pay content (that they pay for) and advertisements.
You get online multiplayer. Why is that so hard to answer? And why is it so hard to accept as an answer?
Just because you get it for free on PSN doesn't mean that people aren't going to be willing to pay for it on the 360. People pick platforms based on what games they want to play, not the pay structure of the packaged online service. If you want to play Halo 3 online, PSN isn't an option. If you want to play Resistance online, XBL isn't an option.
I can understand if that's not worth $50 per year to you. It's not for me either. But clearly that's worth $50 per year to several thousand Gold members.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
I suppose that's proof positive that there are plenty of games for both systems. Not for me personally, but there are games that some gamers will like on both, either, or.
Ai-yi-yi, now I'm really confused. Okay, so it really is just online multiplayer. Which is free on PS3. Hey thanks!
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
skate, halo 3
I LOLD, hard. You are getting a friend invite, hope you have room.
I wouldn't argue with him mausmalone, he might give you the "I can't hear you" treatment. At recess, he won't let you swing next to him either.
Care to reference any supporting data that the Xbox LIVE interface, features, and updates actually cost nothing to create or maintain? If that is the case, it is surprising that Sony can't provide a similar service (as there are apparently no cost barriers). MS must just be that much better
Maybe if you'll try that I'll speak to you like a big boy.
PSN = Wicker86 ________ Gamertag = Wicker86
Plus full games; Hexic, Texas Hold 'em, Aegis Wing and Carcassonne have been available free for limited times with a Gold account. And maybe Uno too, can't quite remember now.
Ah, ok, I can see that. Yeah, actually I like flight sims when they're not... sims. If that makes any sense at all. When throttle makes the engine torque and affects roll, forcing you to counter-stick every time you accelerate or decelerate, then the game lost my interest. When they go even further and force you to make a flight plan and such, then they're just trying to piss me off.
Yeah I didn't like God of War either. :P Maybe it's just the QTEs that bother me? In RE4 they were pretty subtle, but now they're going out of control. Jericho is another game could have done without QTEs.
Hmm.. Self realization ftw.
Ugh, I hate these type of posts.
Oh you're actually funnier to deal with if you don't talk to me directly. Do more of the mmmmmmm I can't hear you stuff, that was Comic Gold. Or should I say, that was Comic "stuff-I-could-get-elsewhere-for-free-but-was-duped-into-paying-for-by-slick-marketing."