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So I got one of them new Xbox 360 thingys.

Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
edited January 2008 in Games and Technology
My loving wife bought me an Xbox 360 for Christmas. Bless her soul. I am ready to enjoy the awesome of HD now-gen glory. Thing is she got me the Arcade pack because it was the first one she saw at the store.

So, questions...

1. I know I'll have to get a hard drive. Is it imperative to get the big 120 gigs? Shit be expensive!
2. I have an HDTV. What kind of cables do I need in order to get the full HD quality signal? My TV is too old to have and HDMI port, so is component the way to go?
3. I also might need a wireless option, since I'm currently in the middle of moving, and I haven't scoped out the hookup options at the new place, yet. Is there any solution to that other than that damn pricey first party option?
4. I guess I'll have to shell out for an XBL Gold Membership. What are the differences between that and the basic Silver?

That's all the questions I have so far. This current whirlwind of switching, cities, jobs, and homes means I haven't really been able to delve into the system other than a couple rounds of Pac Man: CE and The (totally awesome) Boom Boom Rocket. I do know what games I want, so there is no need to list those. I can check the GOTY threads for game suggestions.

Thanks for the help!

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  • NorayNoray Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    1) 120gigs is only really a must-have if you plan on downloading lots of video content. For demos and XBLA games and such, 20gigs is sufficient.

    2) Component or VGA (if your TV has it) are probably your best bets. Some people prefer VGA, others component though, so your mileage may vary.

    3) AFAIK Microsoft's official peripheral is the only way, which is pretty crappy. But then I use a cable for internets.

    4) Gold lets you play games online (pretty much a must) and gets you access to demos a week before Silver members. That's pretty much it, I think. It sucks, but playing games online is what makes the 360 great, so it's worth it.

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  • Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Noray wrote: »
    1) 120gigs is only really a must-have if you plan on downloading lots of video content. For demos and XBLA games and such, 20gigs is sufficient.

    2) Component or VGA (if your TV has it) are probably your best bets. Some people prefer VGA, others component though, so your mileage may vary.

    3) AFAIK Microsoft's official peripheral is the only way, which is pretty crappy. But then I use a cable for internets.

    4) Gold lets you play games online (pretty much a must) and gets you access to demos a week before Silver members. That's pretty much it, I think. It sucks, but playing games online is what makes the 360 great, so it's worth it.

    Awesome. Good to know. So component it is. I may be able to hide a few meters of cable if I need to instead of going wireless.

    I really won't be downloading much video, if any. I am worried about more and more games becoming available only on XBLA, like the Street Fighter II HD remix. How big are the larger games?

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  • CoreoCoreo Sydney AustraliaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The Live games are usually around 50mb-100mb and even then if you fill up whatever size drive you get, you can simply just delete some and re-download them again later when you have the space for free.

    Also, I'm using a cable for my Live as well, just bought a little carpet to go over it.

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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I don't have a 360 but I have a question.
    How do you connect it online? Do I need anything special besides an internet connection? I really have no clue :P

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Rizzi wrote: »
    I don't have a 360 but I have a question.
    How do you connect it online? Do I need anything special besides an internet connection? I really have no clue :P

    Broadband and typically a router. It comes with an ethernet cable. You can connect it directly to your modem, but most modems will only have one ethernet port, so you couldn't have both the 360 and PC online.

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  • SporkAndrewSporkAndrew Registered User, ClubPA regular
    edited January 2008
    Hevach wrote: »
    Rizzi wrote: »
    I don't have a 360 but I have a question.
    How do you connect it online? Do I need anything special besides an internet connection? I really have no clue :P

    Broadband and typically a router. It comes with an ethernet cable. You can connect it directly to your modem, but most modems will only have one ethernet port, so you couldn't have both the 360 and PC online.

    That's why you buy a $20 switch, plug that into the modem and then plug the PC / Xbox in at the same time.

    Or do my (rather bizarre) configuration of modem -> wireless switch -> wireless bridge -> switch -> PC + XBox to get internets from one side of the house to the other.

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  • Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I've been checking xbox.com, and they talk about connecting your Windows PC to your Xbox over Live. I'm a Mac user, though. I'd probably need to get Vista or something to do hook that up, right? Is it worth it? What is the point, even?

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  • Atlus ParkerAtlus Parker Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I've been checking xbox.com, and they talk about connecting your Windows PC to your Xbox over Live. I'm a Mac user, though. I'd probably need to get Vista or something to do hook that up, right? Is it worth it? What is the point, even?

    The point is some people just share a connection through their PC to their 360 without getting a router. No idea how it would work with a Mac.

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  • SansaaraiSansaarai Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    As a Mac user you should spend the $20 and buy connect360 for the Mac. www.nullriver.com. It will turn you 360 into an AppleTV. All of your iTunes content and dvix videos will be able to browse on your HDTV.

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  • Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Sansaarai wrote: »
    As a Mac user you should spend the $20 and buy connect360 for the Mac. www.nullriver.com. It will turn you 360 into an AppleTV. All of your iTunes content and dvix videos will be able to browse on your HDTV.

    Holy shit. I like the sound of that. I'm going to investigate.

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  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Sansaarai wrote: »
    As a Mac user you should spend the $20 and buy connect360 for the Mac. www.nullriver.com. It will turn you 360 into an AppleTV. All of your iTunes content and dvix videos will be able to browse on your HDTV.

    whoa, whoa. This is tits. Does it work as good as they say it does.

    edit, oh sweet it's got a trial

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  • templewulftemplewulf The Team Chump USARegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Noray wrote: »
    1) 120gigs is only really a must-have if you plan on downloading lots of video content. For demos and XBLA games and such, 20gigs is sufficient.
    Actually, my wife and I will watch PPV movies from XBox Marketplace on occasion, and we don't keep any video around. It's not a real concern for us.

    On the other hand, the new XBox Originals are a few gigs apiece, and they have Psychonauts. I think that's where a lot of space would probably get eaten up.

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  • ginguskahnginguskahn Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Connect360 is amazing, a must have for any mac/360 owner.

    I suggest this in every thread but you can use the apple airport with airtunes instead of the official adapter. Its the same price but has about 10x the features. PM for more info I've blabbed on about its greatness to peeps before :P

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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Oh.. Whats the deal with all the different types of 360 models?
    There's so many of them..

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  • Last SonLast Son Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Rizzi wrote: »
    Oh.. Whats the deal with all the different types of 360 models?
    There's so many of them..

    Theres 3, 4 if you count the discontinued Core and the primary differences now have to do (almost?)entirely with the harddrive or lack thereof.

    Arcade - Comes with a small(256mb?) memory card instead of a harddrive.
    Pro - Comes with a 20gig harddrive.
    Elite - Comes with a 120gig harddrive.

    I'm pretty sure they're now all being released with the HDMI ports, which was the other major difference when the elite was first released.

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  • chasmchasm Ill-tempered Texan Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The official MS wireless adapter is far from the only solution. I'm using the official MS one for the OXbox I picked up for $20 off eBay.

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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Do the Elite models fix the red rings of death? Thats.. Pretty much the only thing stopping me from getting one I guess.

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  • lowlylowlycooklowlylowlycook Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Rizzi wrote: »
    Oh.. Whats the deal with all the different types of 360 models?
    There's so many of them..

    In this gen we learn that high prices, HD, and a gazillion SKUs are bad while low prices and waggle are good.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    If all you plan on using the hard drive for are game saves, XBLA games, and the occasional demo (which you delete after playing through), then the 20 gig hard drive is plenty of space. The biggest XBLA game these days is about 150MBs and most are around 50MB.

    On the other hand, if you plan on downloading a bunch of XBox Original games (1-4 gigs a piece) and buy a bunch of TV series on the Marketplace, you'll probably want the Elite with its 120 gig hard drive.

    As for the XBox Live Membership question, if you want to play online with other people, get Gold. Otherwise stay with the free Silver membership.

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Rizzi wrote: »
    Do the Elite models fix the red rings of death? Thats.. Pretty much the only thing stopping me from getting one I guess.

    The majority of RROD's are heat related issues. Microsoft has recently switched to a 65nm process for producing their chipsets and mobos, this setup is codenamed Falcon.

    Falcon based systems started coming off the production lines back in October. If you're shopping around for a new 360, you can check the manufacturer's sticker on the box and look for anything with a lot number over 739 and/or a power rating of 175W (the Falcons use less power, hence a smaller power supply. The original 360's and the first redesign (codename Zephyr) both ran on 203W).

    I recently switched to a Falcon based Elite, and I haven't had a single problem with it. It runs very cool to the touch (have to play for more than 5-6 hours at a strech to start feeling any heat on the outside of the unit) and I lucked out and got one of the new Ben-Q DVD drives, so it also runs a lot quieter than my old Premium.

    I still need to pick up a transfer kit to move all my saves and XBLA games from the 20GB to the 120GB though.

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  • ioloiolo iolo Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    ginguskahn wrote: »
    Connect360 is amazing, a must have for any mac/360 owner.

    I suggest this in every thread but you can use the apple airport with airtunes instead of the official adapter. Its the same price but has about 10x the features. PM for more info I've blabbed on about its greatness to peeps before :P

    Please repost here. I'm considering getting an XBox. I have a wired PC but an aiport for my wife's laptop.

    Speaking of considering getting an XBox, are there ever deals to be had, or do I just have to bite the bullet and buy it at full price. For some reason I'm having trouble reconciling spending apppx. $400 for a console (to say nothing of $60 per game...)

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  • mastmanmastman Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I rock the used games. Around here they can be found for $45. Just check the disc before you buy it.

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  • LunkerLunker Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The 20GB will be fine unless you're looking to d/l a bunch of Xbox Originals and HD vid rentals. I'm a little bit tight on space now (got Psychonauts, which was about 4 gigs) but I also have a ton of XBLA games, about 10 CDs ripped on the drive, a bunch of video trailers and what-not, a lot of which is expendable, and you can always delete/redownload stuff for free. Offhand, you may want to look at a nearby Toys R Us location, because they were clearancing out 20GB HDs for $50 instead of the full $100.

    (As an aside, everyone looking to buy a 360 -- or, hell, anything -- should be refreshing cheapassgamer.com hourly.)

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  • DolbyDigitalDolbyDigital Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Just got one too. Elite. LOVE IT. GH3, CoD4, RB6:V, Beautiful Katamari, Halo3. SO. Much. Awesome.

    Re: the wireless adapter:
    There is another way to to this without buying the official expensive adapter. You can use an old router (specific models supported) and flash it with firmware called DD-WRT. I don't have time right now to get links prepared, but if you google DD-WRT you will find it. It basically turns a wireless router (eg. Linksys WRT54G) into a wireless bridge which connects from your XBOX to your already existing wireless network.

    handy.

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  • powersurgepowersurge Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    IMO I'd go for the 120gig even if you don't plan on buying movies. With only a couple of demos (crap load of arcade games though) I only have about 4gigs left on my 20gigger. On top of that the Xbox Originals take up a bunch of space (I'm kind of tempted to pickup Crimson Skies since I don't have it on disc). Of course if your on a budget the 20giger will still kick the crap out of a memory card. Just have to be careful on space once you hit 30+ XBLA games, couple of demos, and a Xbox Original or 2.

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  • troyn123troyn123 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    If you don't want to shell out the $99 for the "correct" Xbox 360 wireless controller, there are other options: a wireless bridge. "DolbyDigital" points out one, turning any compliant router you've got laying around into a wireless bridge via a firmware update. You can also buy a new one for around $30 - $50. I went a little different route... When not in use, I leave my laptop sitting on my entertainment center. It connects to the network via it's wireless card, then the XBox connects to it via a short cat-5 cable. Turned on internet connection sharing, badda bing. 360 connected to the internet through the shared connection on the laptop.

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  • TachTach Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I picked mine up last week, and finally was able to set it up and get it going. Haven't pitched in for a gold account yet, but that's probably coming soon.

    I went for the 120g drive, as I'll probably want the space- for instance, whatever downloaded onto it already is taking up 16 gigs of space. I've got to go through it and remove some of the crap.

    XBLive finally let me register my gamertag on Monday. It took 3 days to complete it.

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  • Nova_CNova_C I have the need The need for speedRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I picked one of the Pro bundles up on Boxing Day. If your HDTV has an HDMI interface, use it. It's pure digital, so, better than component and your audio goes over the same connection. I have both my DVD player and XBox on HDMI (My TV has two inputs) and an optical audio cable going from TV to digital stereo receiver - means you get digital sound with very few wires.

    From what I understood, all XBoxes that have the HDMI port on them have the new hardware. Is that correct? My XBOX starts to warm after a couple hours, but it's never hot. I'm terrified of having a hardware failure. $400 is a lot to me. :P

    As far as games go, Halo 3 is okay, although it's not worth $60, imo. It, and Kameo, came free with my XBox (Thank you Best Buy!) so I enjoyed it, but I would've been upset if I'd paid full price for it. Viva Pinata is a hell of a lot of fun if you like sandbox games, so long as the cutesy animals don't challenge your manhood.

    PS. The 360 looks and sounds BADASS on a full HDTV setup with digital surround.

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  • Red_CascadeRed_Cascade Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Tach wrote: »
    whatever downloaded onto it already is taking up 16 gigs of space. I've got to go through it and remove some of the crap.

    Remember that it follows the industry standard way of confusing people and the 120 GB drive only has 116 GB space. (The calculations being based on 1000 MB per GB not 1024 or whatever).

    Also the 360 keeps some space reserved for a Swap file IIRC... my mate has a 20GB drive that even when clean only shows 16GB, and my 120 only ever shows a max of 112GB.

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  • troyn123troyn123 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Nova_C wrote: »
    ...The 360 looks and sounds BADASS on a full HDTV setup with digital surround.

    Amen!

    Now go play Call of Duty 4 and go like this: :shock: :^: :D

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  • Dodge AspenDodge Aspen Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    What are the cost diffs between the 20 gig and 120 gig extra drives.

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  • MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I just got my 360 this weekend. Got the Pro package with the 2 games and all. I bit the bullet and bought the official wireless adapter becuase I didnt feel like going through a bunch of shit and it snaps right onto the back of the console so that reduces clutter.

    I really hope this is one of the "new" models becuase if this thing craps out on me Im probably going to hurl it out of the window thus voiding any warranty it might have.

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  • DeathPrawnDeathPrawn Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    What are the cost diffs between the 20 gig and 120 gig extra drives.

    The 20 gig costs $texas whereas the 120 is $unitedstates


    (MSRP is $90 and $180, respectively, but if you hunt around you can probably get the 20gb for ~$50)

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  • BlackDragon480BlackDragon480 Bluster Kerfuffle Master of Windy ImportRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I really hope this is one of the "new" models becuase if this thing craps out on me Im probably going to hurl it out of the window thus voiding any warranty it might have.

    Easiest way to tell is look at your power supply for it. If it list's its output as 175W and the connector between the brick and the console is plastic, then you have a Flacon. The older architechture requires a peak of 203W, and a different power supply.

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  • reddogreddog The Mountain Brooklyn, NYRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    My gf just got me the 360 for xmas with the 2 games. I love this console to death. I'm finding that the 20 gig HD is doing just fine for me. I connect my Zune and share my files on my computer to the 360 so all that I have on my 360 HD are demos (which I delete if i don't like them), arcade games and the saves...which usually leaves me with about 11 gigs free or more so far. I was debating on getting the wireless adapter for it but I'm finding that doing the crossover cable to my laptop and sharing the connection is totally fine.

    Side question for all of you that have the 360...should I get the quick charge kit or the play and charge kit for the the controllers/rechargable batteries?

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  • ginguskahnginguskahn Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    From a PM I sent to another forumer:
    have been using the Airport with the Xbox for over a year, and I bought it for this reason, the other features are just a bonus. I have never had a problem hosting or joining a match, all the Live tests complete fine, and I rarely get any lag (been playing a lot of CoD4 on live recently).

    I also use it as a WDS range extender for my Wireless network (I have a Draytek 2800vg router) and the airport gives it a very good boost in signal strength. I would suggest checking compatibility with your router by googling it tho. If not it can be used as a normal Ethernet to Wireless "bridge".

    I have a Mac Mini and setup was really easy, using the Airport utility in OS X, I couldn't comment on Windows, but I would presume its the same deal. I have it linked up to my Stereo via optical cable and I click one button to play all my music from iTunes through the Stereo (which is in the next room) or click again to put it back through my PC Speakers, very nifty, and the quality is excellent! I have heard there are programs to allow it to work with applications other than iTunes as well, but I've yet to try any.

    I don't use the usb printer port, but as long as your printer is compatible (again, google) I can't see it being any issue, just plug it in and wireless printing for the whole house.

    I just couldn't bring myself to part with the cash for the Xbox one, its so overpriced, but now I couldn't do without the AirTunes, and having full wireless signal strength anywhere in my 3 story house is a massive bonus.

    In the UK at least, I paid £59.99, which is the same as the Officlal adapter.

    Check it out here http://store.apple.com/Apple/WebObje...91E&nplm=M9470 for some more info, oh one more thing, because it's just a plug, you can also use an extension cable to position it for optimum wireless signal, I use a double plug just to give it a little "lift" off the ground that seems to help the signal.

    Hope that helps someone.

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  • RizziRizzi Sydney, Australia.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Rizzi wrote: »
    Do the Elite models fix the red rings of death? Thats.. Pretty much the only thing stopping me from getting one I guess.

    The majority of RROD's are heat related issues. Microsoft has recently switched to a 65nm process for producing their chipsets and mobos, this setup is codenamed Falcon.

    Falcon based systems started coming off the production lines back in October. If you're shopping around for a new 360, you can check the manufacturer's sticker on the box and look for anything with a lot number over 739 and/or a power rating of 175W (the Falcons use less power, hence a smaller power supply. The original 360's and the first redesign (codename Zephyr) both ran on 203W).

    I recently switched to a Falcon based Elite, and I haven't had a single problem with it. It runs very cool to the touch (have to play for more than 5-6 hours at a strech to start feeling any heat on the outside of the unit) and I lucked out and got one of the new Ben-Q DVD drives, so it also runs a lot quieter than my old Premium.

    I still need to pick up a transfer kit to move all my saves and XBLA games from the 20GB to the 120GB though.
    Oh excellent. I'll have to ask around for the lot number when I get mine. Hopefully I will be able to find one.

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  • DaedalusDaedalus Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    reddog wrote: »
    Side question for all of you that have the 360...should I get the quick charge kit or the play and charge kit for the the controllers/rechargable batteries?

    Just get rechargable AAs, they're cheaper and will work with other, non-360-controller devices.

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  • MistaCreepyMistaCreepy Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Update... I have an older 360. I hope my dog isnt outside when I chuck this thing for breaking. I'd hate for her to get hit by a brick. :x

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  • Dark ShroudDark Shroud Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    After taking the time to read all this I see that the OP will need a component cable since his TV doesn't have HDMI & he got the Arcade which only comes with a composite cable.

    Here is a great quality & inexpensive one from Mono price: http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=108&cp_id=10830&cs_id=1083005&p_id=4011&seq=1&format=2

    In regards to the HDD you can find used 20gigs cheap on ebay from people upgrading to the 120gig.

    As for RRoD and DRE issues, keep your 360 horizontal when you're using it. This helps air flow and prevents other issues. If you bought it from Best Buy its worth it to go back and buy a 3 year warranty.

    And I also vote for rechargeable batteries, you'll need at least 4 though. That way you can swap them out during play.

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