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Oh, I think it's been mishandled terribly, not the least reason because it's never been exactly defined what it actually says, and it's been protrayed so inconsistently.
Edit: Also, mismanaged drafted child superhuman armies are absolutely retarded.
They botched the SHRA like they botched M-Day. Big idea, terrible follow-through. They botched the execution of the two arguments during Civil War, failed to nail down what the SHRA actually was then failed to follow through on a bunch of the consequences that should have come out of it afterwards. Are heroes any less prone to collateral damage these days than they were before? Nope, the Mighty Avengers destroyed large parts of downtown Manhattan in their first issue with nothing more than 'whoops, sorry'. Any great new titles to buy? The Initiative, which I couldn't stand, the Order, which I loved but which launched too long after the War to capitalise on the attention, Mighty Avengers, which is just a second Avengers book with the occasional surly run-in with the other team, and the rebooted Thunderbolts, which I love but which for the life of me can't understand being co-signed into existence by the pro-SHRA heroes.
In a way I'm glad, because a Marvel universe that was actually governed by the SHRA would probably be a Marvel universe I didn't care about. The current Marvel Universe is the same as it used to be, only with Cap dead and one team of Avengers on the run for some reason that no-one cares enough about any more to chase them down for. Marvel don't appear to really care about the SHRA any more.
Then again, Civil War gave us the 'Cap. Watch out for the internet!' line in the last issue of Captain America, so maybe it was all worth it.
What I like about it is that it seems to make ALL of the characters in the universe a bit more prevalent. Prior to the SHRA you always had to wonder what some of the c-listers were up to. At least now we occassionaly see them in the background of books like The Initiative or at least have a general understanding that they're part of the 50 states initiative.
Actually, the M-day follow through has been pretty good in X-Factor and Carey's X-Men, and then particularly with Messiah Complex. The Decimation has been a driving force for most of the X-Men stories of the past couple years and continues to be so.
The problems were that it took them too long after it happaned to deal with it properly, it didn't help that both major X-titles had lame duck creative teams on them just as the event ended. Once Carey and Brubaker took over though I think thats been handled very well.
as for Civil War - Mighty Avengers offers a completley seperate dynamic and feel than the New Avengers book. They are both Avengers titles but they are completley different takes and I for one really liked having both a street Avengers team and then big fun adventure team. Delays hurt MA, but that's Frank Cho's fault, and Marvel was smart enough to get Bagley to stockpile issues for the next arc so they could catch up quickly when Cho was done.
The Initiative book has been a huge hit and I for one really enjoy it, The Order was also fantastic although it ending soon I enjoyed it while it lasted.
I know most people here probably don't read Ms. Marvel, but the post CW status quo of that book was a big improvement in my opinion and I'm enjoying the book much more now.
Has it been perfect? of course not, but as event I think it mostly did what it set out to do.
Oh, it also succeeded in making Iron Man relevant again, and it completley changed Captain America around.. I won't say for the better because the quality has just been that consistent.
You're right - X-Factor has actually done something with the Decimation, and Carey put together some stories that should have been ready right after the event wrapped, but it was all too little too late to justify the 'No more mutants' as a plot development. The ONE were rubbish and no-one knew what to do with them, new mutants have been introduced and most of the big names have gotten their powers back already. It really just seems as though Marvel forget to ask 'and then what?' once the big event has been planned. A year or two later someone like Carey or David might do something with the plot threads, but really, Marvel should have had their head straight about what should have happened the day after M-Day.
Brubaker came on board pretty soon after M-Day (I think), and his first move was to have a year-long story set in space about the missing Summers brother. His Morlock story was better, but goddamn am I sick of seeing Morlocks resurrected for the tenth time after they were all wiped out again.
Is "Previews" available anywhere online? I'd like to see when upcoming trades are going to be out.
Not sure what "Previews" is, but the TPB List has a release calendar. Don't expect it to be 100%, but it seems to be updated reasonably regularly (once a month or so).
I don't know why i didn't do a little more google searching.
Previews is the shipping catalog that diamond puts out once a month or once a quarter. I don't remember. Of course that just tells you about the issue but you can't read it online
So, having had some time to establish itself as the status quo, who thinks the SHRA has had a positive effect on storytelling in the Marvel Universe?
Who thinks it has had a negative effect?
I could honestly go either way, but on any given day I lean towards "Good idea". On the one hand, I don't like how New Avengers can pretty much give us a copout "OH SHIT IT'S THE MIGHTY AVENGERS GUESS WE SOLVE THIS MYSTERY SOME OTHER TIME", but it hasn't really happened except shortly after MA got started, so that's good.
Overall, I really dislike having to see some of my favorite heroes running from EACH OTHER, but we got some great books and characters (Cloud 9!) out of it.
Iceman and Xavier were pretty much the only two main characters to actually lose their powers, though. Other than Magneto, and that's surely only a matter of time.
Isn't one of the cast of Young X-Men new? The wolf-boy? Or that psychic bad guy from X-Factor? I need to check my back issues, but my nerd nerve ganglia is telling me there are some more.
Dani is still powerless, so is Rictor, but yeah most of the major characters of course kept thier powers. The goal wasn't to kill/sideline major characters but just to get the crazy excess of the Morisson era mutants gone and place a more rigid structure on creating future mutants characters.
I liked that crazy excess, though. It was fun, and had possibilities. Joe Q wanted to put the genie back in the lamp, but I still have no clue why. We've gotten some decent stories out of it after an initial year in which it was clear Marvel didn't have the foggiest how they were going to develop M-Day, but surely that couldn't have been the original plan? Did they even have a plan? Given Marvel's really shitty long-term planning of late I'm leaning towards 'no'.
Of course, now they have the chance to redeem themselves with the awesome-looking Secret Invasion, which has at least started well.
I think David Hine pissed and moaned for at least twenty of them so he could continue his dumb district x story in bad event tie-in miniseries and put an end to it.
I think David Hine pissed and moaned for at least twenty of them so he could continue his dumb district x story in bad event tie-in miniseries and put an end to it.
Marvel obviously decided the X-Men weren't going to jump into the Civil War, just stay neutral, because it would tip the balance of power too much. So instead they had their own little internal civil war, which is nothing new for the X-men, that lasted all of a couple issues before everyone was friends again. They should have just left the X-Men out of the Civil War all together.
Even though I think the X-Men would have been right there in opposition to the SHRA. I mean, shit, it is the exact same thing as the Mutant Registration Act only it includes anyone with powers.
It was there to finish off David Hine's storyline that he started with District X, which moved to Mutopia X in House of M, and then continued in X-Men: the 198 (which I bought mainly for the rad covers) and finished off in Civil War: X-Men. And the first one was okay but the rest focused on boring stupid mutants that never did anything interesting and then he wrote a Colossus miniseries somewhere in between all that which brought in fucking Rasputin and fuck David Hine.
The only good thing about the X-Men tie in was Emma ripping Iron Man a new one over Genosha.
That was about one page of a four-issue mini... so...
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Edit: Also, mismanaged drafted child superhuman armies are absolutely retarded.
I don't really like it at all.
In a way I'm glad, because a Marvel universe that was actually governed by the SHRA would probably be a Marvel universe I didn't care about. The current Marvel Universe is the same as it used to be, only with Cap dead and one team of Avengers on the run for some reason that no-one cares enough about any more to chase them down for. Marvel don't appear to really care about the SHRA any more.
Then again, Civil War gave us the 'Cap. Watch out for the internet!' line in the last issue of Captain America, so maybe it was all worth it.
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The problems were that it took them too long after it happaned to deal with it properly, it didn't help that both major X-titles had lame duck creative teams on them just as the event ended. Once Carey and Brubaker took over though I think thats been handled very well.
as for Civil War - Mighty Avengers offers a completley seperate dynamic and feel than the New Avengers book. They are both Avengers titles but they are completley different takes and I for one really liked having both a street Avengers team and then big fun adventure team. Delays hurt MA, but that's Frank Cho's fault, and Marvel was smart enough to get Bagley to stockpile issues for the next arc so they could catch up quickly when Cho was done.
The Initiative book has been a huge hit and I for one really enjoy it, The Order was also fantastic although it ending soon I enjoyed it while it lasted.
I know most people here probably don't read Ms. Marvel, but the post CW status quo of that book was a big improvement in my opinion and I'm enjoying the book much more now.
Has it been perfect? of course not, but as event I think it mostly did what it set out to do.
Oh, it also succeeded in making Iron Man relevant again, and it completley changed Captain America around.. I won't say for the better because the quality has just been that consistent.
Brubaker came on board pretty soon after M-Day (I think), and his first move was to have a year-long story set in space about the missing Summers brother. His Morlock story was better, but goddamn am I sick of seeing Morlocks resurrected for the tenth time after they were all wiped out again.
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And what new mutants have been introduced other than the baby
I don't know why i didn't do a little more google searching.
Previews is the shipping catalog that diamond puts out once a month or once a quarter. I don't remember. Of course that just tells you about the issue but you can't read it online
I could honestly go either way, but on any given day I lean towards "Good idea". On the one hand, I don't like how New Avengers can pretty much give us a copout "OH SHIT IT'S THE MIGHTY AVENGERS GUESS WE SOLVE THIS MYSTERY SOME OTHER TIME", but it hasn't really happened except shortly after MA got started, so that's good.
Overall, I really dislike having to see some of my favorite heroes running from EACH OTHER, but we got some great books and characters (Cloud 9!) out of it.
No see I'm looking for like what's coming out next month, not just next week. Like what "Previews" does
But the Marvel book is ninety-nine cents, or it's free if you buy the big book
Isn't one of the cast of Young X-Men new? The wolf-boy? Or that psychic bad guy from X-Factor? I need to check my back issues, but my nerd nerve ganglia is telling me there are some more.
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Of course, now they have the chance to redeem themselves with the awesome-looking Secret Invasion, which has at least started well.
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Seriously, did anyone like Civil War: X-Men?
It was okay, nothing special.
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And District X started out pretty good.
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Pretty much yeah. Nothing really happens in it.
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Marvel obviously decided the X-Men weren't going to jump into the Civil War, just stay neutral, because it would tip the balance of power too much. So instead they had their own little internal civil war, which is nothing new for the X-men, that lasted all of a couple issues before everyone was friends again. They should have just left the X-Men out of the Civil War all together.
Even though I think the X-Men would have been right there in opposition to the SHRA. I mean, shit, it is the exact same thing as the Mutant Registration Act only it includes anyone with powers.
That was about one page of a four-issue mini... so...
I thought that was in New X-men, not CW: X-Men
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Next to the "This Week" tab, there's tabs for the releases for the next few months. Just click a month and scroll down past all the singles to find the trades for that month. Dunno if there's something as easy on DC's site though.