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Jade Empire 2 for the 360: Confirmed?

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  • EvangirEvangir Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Considering the game had both John Cleese AND Nathan Fillion, I was surprised how little I enjoyed it. I reached the Emperor's City or whatever, and ended up quitting. The combat was unbelievably dull, but I imagine that would be a focus in a sequel.

    However, so long as resources aren't pulled from Mass Effect 2 to make Jade Empire 2, I cannot complain.

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  • PancakePancake Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Ghandi 2 wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    One for Dragon Age, One for ME and its related content, One for the MMO, and one for JE2
    I didn't know they were big enough to do that. But even still, wouldn't it be better if they combined everyone and made one giant super-team? ;-) A lot of the ME issues came from time/money limitations, at least that's what the devs on this forum have said, so it seems to me that they shouldn't be branching their resources further. On the other hand, EA has a lot of money. Oh, and you forgot about Sonic RPG and an "interactive entertainment product" that they're making with LucasArts.

    Have you ever heard the phrase "too many cooks in the kitchen?"

    Throwing more people at a game isn't necessarily the best answer for everything. Yes, it requires an increasingly large number of people to create assets for modern games, but if throw too many people at a project, it becomes increasingly easy to run into problems of mismanagement and wasted time and resources. Those are bad things. There is a point where you start adding more people and efficiency starts to go down.

    You're already looking at core teams of 100+ people at BioWare not including the people brought onto a project temporarily to do a thing or two before being shuffled off to another project. Adding more might not be a very good idea until the games absolutely demand it.

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  • HoukHouk Nipples The EchidnaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Pancake wrote: »
    Ghandi 2 wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    One for Dragon Age, One for ME and its related content, One for the MMO, and one for JE2
    I didn't know they were big enough to do that. But even still, wouldn't it be better if they combined everyone and made one giant super-team? ;-) A lot of the ME issues came from time/money limitations, at least that's what the devs on this forum have said, so it seems to me that they shouldn't be branching their resources further. On the other hand, EA has a lot of money. Oh, and you forgot about Sonic RPG and an "interactive entertainment product" that they're making with LucasArts.

    Have you ever heard the phrase "too many cooks in the kitchen?"
    This is literally the exact same thing I was gonna say when I read that. I mean, down to the whole 'have you ever heard' phrasing.

    Plus, I would also add to that, "don't put all your eggs in one basket". The most logical way for a company to expand itself without overloading a single project is to of course take on more projects. Diversity is never a bad thing. Plus, I think Bioware is getting better and better with every game they put out, so even if the first Jade Empire wasn't the cat's tits, they definitely have the talent to make something great with every game.

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  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    JE was a fun game that suffered some fundamental flaws in the combat system – that is, there were a couple of “Win Button” styles that eliminated any kind of challenge (Storm Dragon is the most serious offender, followed closely by Jade Golem + Focus mode). Also, you could beat any adversary with any style simply by hitting them, jumping over their heads, hitting them from behind, jumping over their heads, hitting them from behind, etc…

    Also, the first game took place in a pretty limited set of areas; I’d have liked to go to other points of interest that are mentioned, like the great port city of Phoenix Gate.

    So, I think a new JE game could be totally rad if:

    1- The combat system is improved and rebalanced so that all styles are useful
    2- We get to explore more of the Empire
    3- John Cleese reprises his role as Poncebottom.

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  • GyralGyral Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I'd say this is great news if they plan on improving the combat to make me actually feel like I was playing in a martial arts game and now some old school brawler.

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  • BigDesBigDes Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Zxerol wrote: »
    What the hell happened to Dragon Age, anyway? Last I heard from that stupid game was from 2004-5 and then it fell off the face of the planet.

    It got the DX10 treatment so it won't be out until q3 (?) this year.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I never completed the first one; I got bored with it pretty quickly.

    That said, it is Bioware, and I'm not going to turn it down. They've said themselves that they're usually better at sequels than at first installments.

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  • cj iwakuracj iwakura The Rhythm Regent Bears The Name FreedomRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    On the subject of Jade empire...are there any asian culture themed games out besides Jade Empire? I like Medieval European fantasy games as much as the next guy but if there others I'd like to try them.

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    That's pretty farfetched, since most JRPGs take place in fantasy environments that have little to nothing to do with Asian culture.

    Saiyuki: The Journey West is about Chinese mythology(I think), the SMT games reference spiritual deities from every religion imaginable, Suikoden has some references here and there(mostly the 108 Star thing, but beyond that, it's mostly fantasy). There's really not that many that I know of, offhand.

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  • RainbowDespairRainbowDespair Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    On the subject of Jade empire...are there any asian culture themed games out besides Jade Empire? I like Medieval European fantasy games as much as the next guy but if there others I'd like to try them.

    If you can read Chinese, there are literally dozens of PC RPGs based on Chinese mythology (primarily Romance of the Three Kingdoms). Here's a good primer: http://www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,25/section,178/

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Also, go watch Hero and Fearless. Do it.

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  • CherrnCherrn Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    On the subject of Jade empire...are there any asian culture themed games out besides Jade Empire? I like Medieval European fantasy games as much as the next guy but if there others I'd like to try them.

    The Suikodens are mostly medieval-themed. Suikoden 5, however, is largely based around Asian dynasties, though it doesn't permeate the entire game. It's also a prequel, so you don't need to play the others. It's great, you should get it.

    But no, it is an oddly underused setting for RPGs. I suppose there's always something like Romance of the Three Kingdoms

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  • AccualtAccualt Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jade Empires fighting was pretty bland but everything else was rock solid awesome.
    So I'll be looking forward to Jade Empire 2.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Bioware is pretty good at learning from their mistakes and near-misses. I'd say that Jade Empire was a near-miss... some definitely cool qualities (since nobody's mentioned it in this thread yet: threesome), and a great sense of style, hampered by a bit strange and arcade-y gameplay. I think they can definitely put out a stellar sequel to the franchise.

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  • KageraKagera Imitating the worst people. Since 2004Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Well...okay.

    I guess.

    I mean I liked Jade Empire, even though it felt like KOTOR in a different setting and a modified combat system.

    Just...for god's sake, leave out the mini-game.

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  • DracomicronDracomicron Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Kagera wrote: »
    Well...okay.

    I guess.

    I mean I liked Jade Empire, even though it felt like KOTOR in a different setting and a modified combat system.

    Just...for god's sake, leave out the mini-game.

    Come on, they had scroll shooter minigames in the very first Ultima game. It's a proud tradition!

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Meh. The minigame was entirely optional aside from the first part. Which was all of 30 seconds long, anyway.


    It also led to some fun kang-heavy quests.

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  • Dareth RamDareth Ram regular
    edited January 2008
    Jade Empire was pretty awful. Everything, plot, dialog, gameplay, was all substandard. It was the easiest thing in the world, too.

    STORM DRAGON, POW, POW, POW, LONG SWORD, POW POW POW, STORM DRAGON, POW, POW, POW



    Maybe they can make this one, you know, good.

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  • PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    On the subject of Jade empire...are there any asian culture themed games out besides Jade Empire? I like Medieval European fantasy games as much as the next guy but if there others I'd like to try them.

    If you can read Chinese, there are literally dozens of PC RPGs based on Chinese mythology (primarily Romance of the Three Kingdoms). Here's a good primer: http://www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,25/section,178/

    That's as good a case as any to learn Chinese :P

    Well I'll have to look into all the games suggested. It just seems rather odd there wouldn't be more since there's so much to work with.

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  • DragkoniasDragkonias That Guy Who Does Stuff You Know, There. Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I liked Jade Empire(played through it about 3 times)...though I do agree that the combat was pretty easy. Once I got Storm Dragon the only thing that was a challenge to me anymore was the Demon Horses(they also negated the Stone Golem since they exploited its weakness of fire).

    I think the game would have been a bit more difficult if you had more demon enemies since they were resistant to status effects, but since most of your enemies were humans they all exploded the same.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Dareth Ram wrote: »
    Jade Empire was pretty awful. Everything, plot, dialog, gameplay, was all substandard. It was the easiest thing in the world, too.

    STORM DRAGON, POW, POW, POW, LONG SWORD, POW POW POW, STORM DRAGON, POW, POW, POW



    Maybe they can make this one, you know, good.
    My Xbox spontaneously grew a handgun attatchment, held it to my head, and told me to spam storm dragon throughout the game, or else.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    On the subject of Jade empire...are there any asian culture themed games out besides Jade Empire? I like Medieval European fantasy games as much as the next guy but if there others I'd like to try them.

    If you can read Chinese, there are literally dozens of PC RPGs based on Chinese mythology (primarily Romance of the Three Kingdoms). Here's a good primer: http://www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,25/section,178/

    That's as good a case as any to learn Chinese :P

    Well I'll have to look into all the games suggested. It just seems rather odd there wouldn't be more since there's so much to work with.

    Again I say, they're not games, but go watch Hero and Fearless, if you haven't already seen them.

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  • PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    darleysam wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    Pharezon wrote: »
    On the subject of Jade empire...are there any asian culture themed games out besides Jade Empire? I like Medieval European fantasy games as much as the next guy but if there others I'd like to try them.

    If you can read Chinese, there are literally dozens of PC RPGs based on Chinese mythology (primarily Romance of the Three Kingdoms). Here's a good primer: http://www.mobygames.com/featured_article/feature,25/section,178/

    That's as good a case as any to learn Chinese :P

    Well I'll have to look into all the games suggested. It just seems rather odd there wouldn't be more since there's so much to work with.

    Again I say, they're not games, but go watch Hero and Fearless, if you haven't already seen them.

    Yes dear

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  • KhavallKhavall British ColumbiaRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Dareth Ram wrote: »
    Jade Empire was pretty awful. Everything, plot, dialog, gameplay, was all substandard. It was the easiest thing in the world, too.

    STORM DRAGON, POW, POW, POW, LONG SWORD, POW POW POW, STORM DRAGON, POW, POW, POW



    Maybe they can make this one, you know, good.

    Oblivion is really easy

    Just have all your starting skills not be what you want to have in the end and then only level up when you want to and end up with crazy stats and insane skills.




    KOTOR is also really easy

    Just spend the first part as a level 2 scoundrel and then go consular and BAM force points out the ass.



    Hey hey, any game with an rpg element is really easy if you min/max the hell out of it, because the game doesn't account for you spamming one attack that you've maxed out over and over again, or getting 999999 in every stat, or working the game in one particularly broken way.

    Seriously, if you just spammed Storm Dragon over and over again then yeah, the combat was easy. Or you could, you know, have fun with it.

    Complaining about something you're doing is stupid.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I still haven't played the first one. I'm kinda waiting for it to come down in price on Steam. I can't believe they are still charging $40 for it. Circuit City has it listed at $25 so I might get it from there at some point, but I would like to avoid another CD/case lying around.

    Good news on a sequal though. I hope they continue the tradition of porting thier games to PC. I don't have a 360, and I don't mind waiting for PC versions since they usually have enough improvments that they are worth it.

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  • brynstarbrynstar Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Drool wrote: »
    I still haven't played the first one. I'm kinda waiting for it to come down in price on Steam. I can't believe they are still charging $40 for it. Circuit City has it listed at $25 so I might get it from there at some point, but I would like to avoid another CD/case lying around.

    Good news on a sequal though. I hope they continue the tradition of porting thier games to PC. I don't have a 360, and I don't mind waiting for PC versions since they usually have enough improvments that they are worth it.

    I think it was on sale during the big Steam sale that ended on the first, I can't remember how big of a discount it was though. In any case, you should pick it up sometime. The PC version is really well done, and includes a chunk of extra content over the Xbox version. Also, better textures and faster load times.

    I'm not knocking the Xbox version, as I enjoyed that as well, and I'm looking forward to a sequel.

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  • GrimlakinGrimlakin Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    That is actually pretty exciting news for me. I enjoyed that game a lot.

    I actually would try different styles and went with a style that was not the most powerful just the most fun combination for me. :)

    Also the story lines were indeed awsome.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    brynstar wrote: »
    Drool wrote: »
    I still haven't played the first one. I'm kinda waiting for it to come down in price on Steam. I can't believe they are still charging $40 for it. Circuit City has it listed at $25 so I might get it from there at some point, but I would like to avoid another CD/case lying around.

    Good news on a sequal though. I hope they continue the tradition of porting thier games to PC. I don't have a 360, and I don't mind waiting for PC versions since they usually have enough improvments that they are worth it.

    I think it was on sale during the big Steam sale that ended on the first, I can't remember how big of a discount it was though. In any case, you should pick it up sometime. The PC version is really well done, and includes a chunk of extra content over the Xbox version. Also, better textures and faster load times.

    I'm not knocking the Xbox version, as I enjoyed that as well, and I'm looking forward to a sequel.

    They dropped it down 10% so they only knocked off $4. I was very close to buying it until I saw that Micro Center was selling it for $30 and Circuit City for $25. It's a drive across town, but still a pretty big savings.

    I'll probably pick it up after I finish Psychonauts. I'm looking for any excuse to use my 360 controller now that I have it. I didn't think I would like it that much, but it really does make platformers and fighting games a million times better.

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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I've got this in the stack of RPGs I need to get around to playing (huge stack!). Only problem comes from the fact that I found the Mouse+Keyboard control scheme for this to be really awkward.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Get a 360 controller.

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  • DoronronDoronron Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I just recently got one. That's what's making me look at it again, but I'm also looking at Oblivion and Arcanum.

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  • Dareth RamDareth Ram regular
    edited January 2008
    The storm dragon thing is just my exibit A why Jade Empire's who combat system is poorly designed. Click-Fu. Easy learn, easy to master, no depth at all.

    Hopefully they've learned something from Mass Effect. Putting a third person shooter with RPG elements instead of something like KOTOR's was a good idea. For Jade Empire, hopefully they'll do something like Naruto 360 did, and put a fighting game combat in instead with RPG elements.

    Nobody probably realizes it, but their early RPGs were great becuase they were essentially RTSs with a RPG elements attached.

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  • SmudgeSmudge Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jade Empire was a good game that failed at it's most important/integral part, the combat. If they remake the combat system into something fun and balanced than I would be all over it.

    I just got BORED of jumping over peoples' heads and hitting them from behind for hours on end.

    I loved the transforms, but they just were not worth the energy they took to use. Hopefully the sequel will make things like that more useful.

    Looking forward to both ME2 and JE2.

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  • Iron WeaselIron Weasel Dillon! You son of a bitch!Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Smudge wrote: »
    Jade Empire was a good game that failed at it's most important/integral part, the combat. If they remake the combat system into something fun and balanced than I would be all over it.

    I just got BORED of jumping over peoples' heads and hitting them from behind for hours on end.

    I loved the transforms, but they just were not worth the energy they took to use. Hopefully the sequel will make things like that more useful.

    Looking forward to both ME2 and JE2.
    Au contraire, Jade Golem + Focus was mega-enkillenating mode.

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    From what I understand Mass Effect's combat is one of the best parts of the game, so apparently they learned a lot making JE. I'm sure they will put that knowledge to use in JE2.

    It's kind of interesting to see how they've progressed to more and more action combat in their games. Some RPG purists might dislike it, but I've usually been bored to tears by turn based games, so I think it's a good idea. Someday they'll make the perfect game that combines deep interesting combat, a great story, excellent writing and acting with great character customization.

    Or EA will decide they aren't making enough money and disolve their studios.

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  • PharezonPharezon Struggle is an illusion. Victory is in the Qun.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Drool wrote: »
    From what I understand Mass Effect's combat is one of the best parts of the game, so apparently they learned a lot making JE. I'm sure they will put that knowledge to use in JE2.

    It's kind of interesting to see how they've progressed to more and more action combat in their games. Some RPG purists might dislike it, but I've usually been bored to tears by turn based games, so I think it's a good idea. Someday they'll make the perfect game that combines deep interesting combat, a great story, excellent writing and acting with great character customization.

    Or EA will decide they aren't making enough money and disolve their studios.

    And then Duke Nukem Forever comes out

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  • DroolDrool Science! AustinRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    TF2 came out. Anything is possible now. :P

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  • SilpheedSilpheed Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jade Empire never really did it for me. I really wanted to enjoy it more but I guess it simply wasn't for me. If the second game improve the combat a lot and give us a larger game world, then I might change my feelings regarding the JE franchise. I also disliked the lack of visual character customization, such as clothes, armors and other equipment but that's a personal pet peeve I have with many other games as well.

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