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Amazing Spider-Man: Brand New Villains

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  • CoJoeTheLawyerCoJoeTheLawyer Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Delduwath wrote: »
    I remember reading somewhere that the Kingpin has only like 5% (I don't remember the actual number, but it's on par with this) fat in his body, and the rest of his bulk is muscle.

    The point isn't that the Kingpin can bench press a lot of weight.

    The point is that he's the criminal mastermind in charge of a massive crime organization, who allegedly gets a cut of the proceeds of every crime that occurs in New York City!

    He does not need to out bench a guy like the Abomination. He can hire 10 guys to do it for him. Or just hire the Abomination outright.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I never really liked Vin, but he's getting some real quality face time in this arc aside from the usual "I hate Spider-Man!" schtick and he's starting to grow on me.

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  • GonmunGonmun He keeps kickin' me in the dickRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Virral wrote: »
    While he hasn't ever been credited with any specific powers that I'm aware of, the Kingpin is hardly "just a dude". He is enormous for a start and is usually portrayed as being extremely fast and very strong.

    In the Marvel Universe anyone can be like Captain America by reaching this undefined "peak physical condition", it becomes basically a super power. Kingpin is, in my mind at least, one of these people to some extent.

    I have to admit that I'm wondering something. Back in Spider-Man:Black didn't he fight the Kingpin in Ryker's or something and royally smack him around? I'm just wondering if that would have happened if Pete hadn't gone all Spider-totem or if maybe it was just that he wasn't holding back anymore because of May's state and Fisk being responsible for it.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    It was the latter

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Wait Kraven has boobs now?

    Where's the goddamn trade.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    this story is her first appearance so it might be a while

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Gonmun wrote: »
    Virral wrote: »
    While he hasn't ever been credited with any specific powers that I'm aware of, the Kingpin is hardly "just a dude". He is enormous for a start and is usually portrayed as being extremely fast and very strong.

    In the Marvel Universe anyone can be like Captain America by reaching this undefined "peak physical condition", it becomes basically a super power. Kingpin is, in my mind at least, one of these people to some extent.

    I have to admit that I'm wondering something. Back in Spider-Man:Black didn't he fight the Kingpin in Ryker's or something and royally smack him around? I'm just wondering if that would have happened if Pete hadn't gone all Spider-totem or if maybe it was just that he wasn't holding back anymore because of May's state and Fisk being responsible for it.
    He was definitely done holding back.

    I forget where, but it has been mentioned that Spider-man pulls his punches, and doesn't fight to his "full potential", as he could easily kill a normal human by accident.

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  • SatanIsMyMotorSatanIsMyMotor Fuck Warren Ellis Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Wasn't that Superman?

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    its pretty much everyone with super-strength

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    its pretty much everyone with super-strength

    Exactly.

    Many heroes could explode the heads of most of their rogue's gallery with a single punch if it was in their natures.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Now that would be a superhero comic
    A dude who just punches them in the face and makes their head explode

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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yeah, they call it Fist of the North Star.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Fucking mugger BAM no more head

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  • DelduwathDelduwath Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    You should read the Authority. Jack Hawksmoor routinely punches and kicks people's heads off.

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  • Mai-KeroMai-Kero Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Black Adam.

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  • FuruFuru Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Yeah, Spider-Man holds back a lot. There was a What If where he didn't when he was against Uncle Ben's killer and accidentally killed the guy with one punch.

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    see this has always been a question of mine when Spider-man is fighting super-villians, espcially say Doc Ock in the movies, at least, if Spider-man is so strong, and he's punching this guy in the face over and over, and NYC is about to end due to super magnetic powers, why doesn't he just let loose?

    afraid of the goo?

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  • TransporterTransporter Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    see this has always been a question of mine when Spider-man is fighting super-villians, espcially say Doc Ock in the movies, at least, if Spider-man is so strong, and he's punching this guy in the face over and over, and NYC is about to end due to super magnetic powers, why doesn't he just let loose?

    afraid of the goo?

    You're a wee bit special, aren't ye?

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  • IncenjucarIncenjucar VChatter Seattle, WARegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    afraid of the goo?

    The general assumption is that any hero who can boom headshot but doesn't is afraid of going insane.

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  • ANTVGM64ANTVGM64 Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    So the logic is that if Spider-man starts punching through mo-fos he's afraid he'll become a monster?

    Figurative Monster.

    Not like, real monster with fangs and six arms and stuff.

    That'd be silly.

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  • see317see317 Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    So the logic is that if Spider-man starts punching through mo-fos he's afraid he'll become a monster?

    Figurative Monster.

    Not like, real monster with fangs and six arms and stuff.

    That'd be silly.
    Making peoples heads explode with a single punch is addictive.
    Why do you think there are so many super-villians?

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  • FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I haven't read much of Brand New Day at all. I think I read one issue, and it just so happened it was the one where Mary Jane constantly kept referencing the fact that she knew Spiderman in another life and it was annoying me. Do they still throw in OMD references every second? Have they at least given more clues as to whether or not Jackpot is Mary Jane or that Sara girl?

    Is the new Kraven in anyway related to the old Kraven? Is the old Kraven even dead post BND?

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Of course Kraven is still dead.

    And that was really the only story that referenced OMD, since it was the big return of MJ

    Jackpot is almost certainly Sara. And we dont know who the new Kraven is, although considering the way she's acting it's safe to assume she had some sort of relationship to the original

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I don't really like how this story is paralleling Last Hunt in so many ways. It reads less like an homage and more like a knock-off.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I dunno, I think the dynamic with the mistaken identity is an excellent twist.

    And while Vermin showing up was probably a little too much, I love the original story so much that I forgave it pretty much instantly.

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  • FaynorFaynor Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Of course Kraven is still dead.

    And that was really the only story that referenced OMD, since it was the big return of MJ

    Jackpot is almost certainly Sara. And we dont know who the new Kraven is, although considering the way she's acting it's safe to assume she had some sort of relationship to the original

    Hm. Luck of the draw with me getting that story, I suppose.

    Any more reveals on if Harry is Harry? Didn't they repeatedly state they didn't want to bring anyone back from the dead or whatever?

    How good is the current arc?

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    we dont know about Harry yet, although I think the big Slott/JRJR story starting next month will touch on that.

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  • Robos A Go GoRobos A Go Go Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    I wonder if Harry still has a kid.

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Little Normie is probably still kicking around, he was born before Harry died
    I'm really mad about New Ways to Die not starting till next month because I'll have to wait till I come home in September to read most of it

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    It dosen't end until October, it's 6 parts

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Which would put it at the end of September
    Starts in August, three issues a month
    That's September

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    the first August issue is the last part of Kraven's First Hunt

    so 2 in August, 3 in Sept, 1 in October

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Oh goddammit
    I'm only going to get to read the first issue

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    The new Kraven
    is a clone of his stepsister.

    That'd be the point at which they would officially not be trying anymore right?

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  • Me Too!Me Too! __BANNED USERS regular
    edited July 2008
    Didn't realize being a shit was considered a spoiler now

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  • sportzboytjwsportzboytjw squeeeeeezzeeee some more tax breaks outRegistered User regular
    edited July 2008
    Cry more? And I'd feel sort of bad if some off-hand remark happened to occur, even as unlikely as that is.

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  • The Muffin ManThe Muffin Man Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    So the logic is that if Spider-man starts punching through mo-fos he's afraid he'll become a monster?

    Figurative Monster.

    Not like, real monster with fangs and six arms and stuff.

    That'd be silly.
    Because the ideal of a hero is to be ABOVE your villains. And just going around killing them makes it hard to insist you're above that.

    Case in point, Punisher isn't very popular among heroes.

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  • mattharvestmattharvest Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    ANTVGM64 wrote: »
    So the logic is that if Spider-man starts punching through mo-fos he's afraid he'll become a monster?

    Figurative Monster.

    Not like, real monster with fangs and six arms and stuff.

    That'd be silly.
    Because the ideal of a hero is to be ABOVE your villains. And just going around killing them makes it hard to insist you're above that.

    Case in point, Punisher isn't very popular among heroes.

    This has always bugged me somewhat. I get the conceit as a literary concept (just like I get the conceit that super-geniuses never make the world any better, nor really do any superheros at all) but I don't get the logic of it.

    I mean, you needn't be the Authority, but sometimes lethal force is justified. For example, Joker should have been killed by SOMEONE a long time ago: he's irredeemable, apparently impossible to keep in jail, and has a continuous record of murder and rampage. If you're already willing to be a vigilante and disregard those laws and rights (e.g. due process, etc.) why not killing?

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  • MunchMunch Registered User regular
    edited July 2008
    That's why I liked that Barry Allen straight up killed Reverse Flash. Allen was a police officer, and understood that sometimes the use of lethal force is necessary to preserve life.

    I'm really surprised Marvel hasn't addressed this with its government-endorsed, registered heroes. How quickly would villains abandon their careers if they realized that the next time they pointed a death cannon at a hero, said hero would just punch their head off?

    Could be an interesting mini-event.

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  • DJ EebsDJ Eebs Moderator, Administrator admin
    edited July 2008
    Because the whole point of the Registration Act was to restore people's faith in superheroes. If they start using lethal force, they're back where they started, only this time, who do the people turn to? The government would be condoning it.

    It's just not a viable path to really go down.

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