I'm always kind of looking at costumes with an eye for practicality anyhow.
Like, in my mind, street-level supervillains should be presented as regular criminals who happen to have a quirk that nets them an interesting nickname, not fruitcakes in Halloween costumes. Like, imagine if Baby Face Nelson robbed banks wearing a diaper, with a pacifier in his mouth.
That's basically what supervillains in Marvel and DC are doing.
This is why movie x men wear black leather instead of primary colors head to toe. Comic characters wear bright shiny colors for the same reason pro wrestlers wear speedos. Its a visual medium historically aimed at a less sophisticated audience. Also as long as you see the color scheme and a few details you know you are looking at wolverine. Most artists dont put a hell of a lot of detail on characters faces, it's just hard to do on the amount of images they are pushing out per week. you know whos who by the garish costumes.
Limitations of artists' tools and printing technologies at the time that most modern heroes' original (and typically most iconic) costumes were conceived had at least as much to do with "garish costumes" as did the reasons you cite.
I'm always kind of looking at costumes with an eye for practicality anyhow.
Like, in my mind, street-level supervillains should be presented as regular criminals who happen to have a quirk that nets them an interesting nickname, not fruitcakes in Halloween costumes. Like, imagine if Baby Face Nelson robbed banks wearing a diaper, with a pacifier in his mouth.
That's basically what supervillains in Marvel and DC are doing.
This is why movie x men wear black leather instead of primary colors head to toe. Comic characters wear bright shiny colors for the same reason pro wrestlers wear speedos. Its a visual medium historically aimed at a less sophisticated audience. Also as long as you see the color scheme and a few details you know you are looking at wolverine. Most artists dont put a hell of a lot of detail on characters faces, it's just hard to do on the amount of images they are pushing out per week. you know whos who by the garish costumes.
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The more I think about it, the more I wish they'd reinvent Z-List characters rather than attempting to replace dudes like Vulture and Rhino who serve a clear purpose, even if that purpose doesn't work for a specific event like Gauntlet.
The more I think about it, the more I wish they'd reinvent Z-List characters rather than attempting to replace dudes like Vulture and Rhino who serve a clear purpose, even if that purpose doesn't work for a specific event like Gauntlet.
Iunno, a Paste-Pot Pete by any other name...
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He's the TRAPSTER
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Here's a reinvention of a Z-lister for you: How about the next time you have secrets to sell to the Soviets, you work on weaponizing them and incorporating them into your theme instead of walking around with a purple beret and a fertilizer gun hooked up to a bucket.
Stupid Paste-Pot Pete. Probably had plutonium laser plans or something, but noooo, he had to go with the Elmer's fetish.
I kind of like Trapster because, every time someone cites Peter Parker as a genius on the level of Richards or Pym, solely because he invited web fluid, I can rebut, "Yeah, well some guy who was dumb enough to call himself Paste Pot Pete invented the same shit."
I kind of like Trapster because, every time someone cites Peter Parker as a genius on the level of Richards or Pym, solely because he invited web fluid, I can rebut, "Yeah, well some guy who was dumb enough to call himself Paste Pot Pete invented the same shit."
People do that? I mean, I'll bring Parker to the table when discussing MU's science-boys, but not just because he invented web fluid. That's usually like #12 on the list.
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He invented the web fluid, spider-tracer (which I never understood, does it contain (radioactive) spider-blood in it that lets him track it?), and what else? Something for his Slingers personas? He never even built a sonic disruptor to fight Venom or Carnage (he had to steal Reed's).
He convinced a smoking hot super model to marry him at one point. He's also managed to somehow convince other insanely out of his league women to go out with him, ranging from Gwen Stacy, Black Cat, Betty Brant, Liz Allen and the list goes on and on. Hell, they even retcon in bitches for him to somehow make fall in love with him like Jessica Jones. He's clearly one of the smartest men in the world. he just applies himself differently than the rest.
He invented the web fluid, spider-tracer (which I never understood, does it contain (radioactive) spider-blood in it that lets him track it?), and what else? Something for his Slingers personas? He never even built a sonic disruptor to fight Venom or Carnage (he had to steal Reed's).
Not really on the Slinger costumes even. The Prodigy costume just had a kevlar vest and his usual powers. The Richochet costume just had frisbees on it. He found the Dusk costume. And The Prowler built the Hornet suit, and Peter stole Ben Reilly's stingers and put them on there.
It's not like he's unattractive or anything. He's good-looking, funny, and has a cool job.
I liked how Robert Kirkman had Invincible point this out during that Marvel Team-Up issue. Pete's all, "You're not surprised I'm married to a hot model?" and Mark's reply is pretty much what you said.
People do that? I mean, I'll bring Parker to the table when discussing MU's science-boys, but not just because he invented web fluid. That's usually like #12 on the list.
I've seen it come up a lot on various forums, especially after Tony implied that Pete could be a genius if he just applied himself, during that whole period where Tony was mentoring him.
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Did Kirkman have a good grasp of Spider-Man in Marvel Team-Up? I only ask this because a) he writes Invincible which is like Superman and Spidey put together and b) he always wanted to take over for Bendis on USM if that day ever came, but seeing his Ultimate X-Men work I was kind of glad he didn't.
Did Kirkman have a good grasp of Spider-Man in Marvel Team-Up? I only ask this because a) he writes Invincible which is like Superman and Spidey put together and b) he always wanted to take over for Bendis on USM if that day ever came, but seeing his Ultimate X-Men work I was kind of glad he didn't.
I liked his take on him. He plays him up as very self deprecating, and makes use of stuff that was going on at the time, like Pete's teaching job.
The first arc is a pretty good gauge of how Kirkman writes the character, with the main focus of the book being on Wolverine and Spider-Man. But the Fantastic Four, Dr. Strange, Captain America, X-23, Iron Man, the Hulk, and tons of other people drop in. Plus, there's some sweet Scott Kolins art.
Did Kirkman have a good grasp of Spider-Man in Marvel Team-Up? I only ask this because a) he writes Invincible which is like Superman and Spidey put together and b) he always wanted to take over for Bendis on USM if that day ever came, but seeing his Ultimate X-Men work I was kind of glad he didn't.
Kirkman's run on UXM suffered from him being unduly enthusiastic about X-Men storylines from the 80s and 90s, and he kinda lost the main point of the Ultimate Universe and tried shoe-horning as much of it in as he could.
I'll always defend Kirkman's UXM run, as it seemed like any writer that came into contact with the book managed to spontaneously lose all their writing talent. Really, Millar's run was pretty bad from the start, and even Vaughan struggled to find anything to do with the characters, with his run ultimately being worse than Millar's.
Fans act like Kirkman came to UXM and destroyed some magnificent work of art. But in my mind, the situation was more analogous to Kirkman taking a dump in an outhouse; just piling shit on top of more shit.
The only thing I recall as being at all memorable or engaging about UXM was the impressive line-up of artists on the title.
Yeah, Flash becomes Spider-Man and use his powers to steal heists out from under other criminals. Peter thinks he's the only one who can stop him, so he puts on Dr. Octopus' arms (Peter stops the explosion that fuses them to Otto and becomes his friend afterward), beats Spider-Man, and then joins the Fantastic Four.
I freaking loved it, but the Clone Saga was the thing that really got me into Marvel comic books, so I was reading it with a lot of nostalgia. I'll buy and love any comic book that has Kaine in it.
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Nauck's art (and the coloring) looked fan-freaking-tastic. The guy should draw something full-time for Marvel, he's dependable enough to.
It's not like he's unattractive or anything. He's good-looking, funny, and has a cool job.
I liked how Robert Kirkman had Invincible point this out during that Marvel Team-Up issue. Pete's all, "You're not surprised I'm married to a hot model?" and Mark's reply is pretty much what you said.
That's why I never understood people wondering why Mary Jane, the supermodel, would marry little ol' Peter Parker. I mean, have you seen how the guy fills out his spidey under-roos?
Gosh, I wonder why the gorgeous super-model married that guy who himself looks like a supermodel, but also has super-powers and fights crime? That's like winning the boyfriend lottery.
It's not like he's unattractive or anything. He's good-looking, funny, and has a cool job.
I liked how Robert Kirkman had Invincible point this out during that Marvel Team-Up issue. Pete's all, "You're not surprised I'm married to a hot model?" and Mark's reply is pretty much what you said.
That's why I never understood people wondering why Mary Jane, the supermodel, would marry little ol' Peter Parker. I mean, have you seen how the guy fills out his spidey under-roos?
Gosh, I wonder why the gorgeous super-model married that guy who himself looks like a supermodel, but also has super-powers and fights crime? That's like winning the boyfriend lottery.
He never has time for her because he is busy fighting crime.
How is dating someone who goes out and fights dangerous criminals all the time like winning the lottery? You'd never know if tonight was the night someone was going to get him, and you're just going to hear about it in the news (if at all).
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Limitations of artists' tools and printing technologies at the time that most modern heroes' original (and typically most iconic) costumes were conceived had at least as much to do with "garish costumes" as did the reasons you cite.
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Stupid Paste-Pot Pete. Probably had plutonium laser plans or something, but noooo, he had to go with the Elmer's fetish.
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I'd like to see him reinvented, same with the Zodiac
People do that? I mean, I'll bring Parker to the table when discussing MU's science-boys, but not just because he invented web fluid. That's usually like #12 on the list.
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Not really on the Slinger costumes even. The Prodigy costume just had a kevlar vest and his usual powers. The Richochet costume just had frisbees on it. He found the Dusk costume. And The Prowler built the Hornet suit, and Peter stole Ben Reilly's stingers and put them on there.
Did he wash it first?
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I liked how Robert Kirkman had Invincible point this out during that Marvel Team-Up issue. Pete's all, "You're not surprised I'm married to a hot model?" and Mark's reply is pretty much what you said.
I've seen it come up a lot on various forums, especially after Tony implied that Pete could be a genius if he just applied himself, during that whole period where Tony was mentoring him.
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If I remember right, he took it off the body of a dead Negative Zone hero.
I liked his take on him. He plays him up as very self deprecating, and makes use of stuff that was going on at the time, like Pete's teaching job.
The first arc is a pretty good gauge of how Kirkman writes the character, with the main focus of the book being on Wolverine and Spider-Man. But the Fantastic Four, Dr. Strange, Captain America, X-23, Iron Man, the Hulk, and tons of other people drop in. Plus, there's some sweet Scott Kolins art.
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Kirkman's run on UXM suffered from him being unduly enthusiastic about X-Men storylines from the 80s and 90s, and he kinda lost the main point of the Ultimate Universe and tried shoe-horning as much of it in as he could.
Fans act like Kirkman came to UXM and destroyed some magnificent work of art. But in my mind, the situation was more analogous to Kirkman taking a dump in an outhouse; just piling shit on top of more shit.
The only thing I recall as being at all memorable or engaging about UXM was the impressive line-up of artists on the title.
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I think Flash got bit instead, or something.
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I freaking loved it, but the Clone Saga was the thing that really got me into Marvel comic books, so I was reading it with a lot of nostalgia. I'll buy and love any comic book that has Kaine in it.
That's why I never understood people wondering why Mary Jane, the supermodel, would marry little ol' Peter Parker. I mean, have you seen how the guy fills out his spidey under-roos?
Gosh, I wonder why the gorgeous super-model married that guy who himself looks like a supermodel, but also has super-powers and fights crime? That's like winning the boyfriend lottery.
He never has time for her because he is busy fighting crime.
Could it be? Love?
No. It must be Peter's washboard abs!
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