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  • DharmaBumDharmaBum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    grim123 wrote: »
    DharmaBum wrote: »
    So does Pete know/have memories of what happened to him post-marriage till OMD?

    For example I know he doesn't have the powers that he got from "The Other" but like does he know that at one point in the not to distant past he had poision spikes that he could stab people with? Or that he had organic web-shooters?

    Or have all the stories from the Marriage to OMD effectively been retconned out of continuity?

    everything happened...

    no one remembers..

    MAGIC

    So basically The Other happened, but Pete will never be like "Man wasn't it cool when I had the poisonous spikes?"

    In effect though they are retconned out of existence, because if no one remembers them then a writer can't draw from those events.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I think The Other is something that actually was retconned away. Most storylines still make a reasonable amount of sense and can be explained away but that one definitely seems to be completley gone.

    Im glad it's gone personally, but I do agree its confusing why that specifically is gone and other stuff isn't (storyline wise I mean, obviously the real reason it's gone is because it sucked)

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  • grim123grim123 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    sucked?!? but Pete was like the spider whisperer or something

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    grim123 wrote: »
    sucked?!? but Pete was like the spider whisperer or something

    That was from Disassembled... not the Other.

    I assumed that went away too though.

    Looks like both Spidey and Wolverine got their asses kicked down to a normalish power level...

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  • DharmaBumDharmaBum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I think The Other is something that actually was retconned away. Most storylines still make a reasonable amount of sense and can be explained away but that one definitely seems to be completley gone.

    Im glad it's gone personally, but I do agree its confusing why that specifically is gone and other stuff isn't (storyline wise I mean, obviously the real reason it's gone is because it sucked)

    I sort of agree that it sucked, but it was the easiest Spiderman Solo event I could think of.

    So basically The Other is the only thing that doesn't exist (sans the Marriage). Everything else effectively happened? Like did Pete get the Iron Spider uniform from Tony?

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    DharmaBum wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I think The Other is something that actually was retconned away. Most storylines still make a reasonable amount of sense and can be explained away but that one definitely seems to be completley gone.

    Im glad it's gone personally, but I do agree its confusing why that specifically is gone and other stuff isn't (storyline wise I mean, obviously the real reason it's gone is because it sucked)

    I sort of agree that it sucked, but it was the easiest Spiderman Solo event I could think of.

    So basically The Other is the only thing that doesn't exist (sans the Marriage). Everything else effectively happened? Like did Pete get the Iron Spider uniform from Tony?

    I don't see how that would have happened, since the suit was specifically tailored to Peter... and with Tony not knowing who Peter is...

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    DharmaBum wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I think The Other is something that actually was retconned away. Most storylines still make a reasonable amount of sense and can be explained away but that one definitely seems to be completley gone.

    Im glad it's gone personally, but I do agree its confusing why that specifically is gone and other stuff isn't (storyline wise I mean, obviously the real reason it's gone is because it sucked)

    I sort of agree that it sucked, but it was the easiest Spiderman Solo event I could think of.

    So basically The Other is the only thing that doesn't exist (sans the Marriage). Everything else effectively happened? Like did Pete get the Iron Spider uniform from Tony?

    I don't see how that would have happened, since the suit was specifically tailored to Peter... and with Tony not knowing who Peter is...

    nono.

    that shit happened.

    its like say you get really fucking drunk one night and you don't remember anything that happened. well you still did stuff. just because you can't remember doesn't mean the events didn't happen.

    only this time instead of being alcohol its a magic potion and in addition to erasing everyones memory, it also erased all digital knowledge of peter's identity. But the events still happened.



    at least i think that is how they are trying to explain it off as.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    like, its not a retcon in the sense that Tony never knew who Spider-Man was.

    its that Tony JUST NOW stopped remembering who Spider-Man was.

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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I wonder if there's also a layer to the magic that makes the people who've lost memories about Spider-man not care that they've lost memories. Because people like Wolverine will damn well care about such a memory loss otherwise.

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  • SASA Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Heres to hoping that the Avengers will take a similar reaction to this as they did House of M.

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  • wwtMaskwwtMask Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Only problem is that there's no Layla Miller around to remind people of the truth.

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  • grim123grim123 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    grim123 wrote: »
    sucked?!? but Pete was like the spider whisperer or something

    That was from Disassembled... not the Other.

    I assumed that went away too though.

    Looks like both Spidey and Wolverine got their asses kicked down to a normalish power level...
    Oh yeah
    any way I was being sarcastic:P

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Only problem is that there's no Layla Miller around to remind people of the truth.

    ...holy shit...

    they've thought of everything.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    wwtMask wrote: »
    Only problem is that there's no Layla Miller around to remind people of the truth.
    I may be the only one who thinks this might not necessarily be a bad thing.

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  • Calamity JaneCalamity Jane That Wrong Love Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    the fucked up thing is

    i was under the impression this was the one more day thread

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Nogs wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    DharmaBum wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I think The Other is something that actually was retconned away. Most storylines still make a reasonable amount of sense and can be explained away but that one definitely seems to be completley gone.

    Im glad it's gone personally, but I do agree its confusing why that specifically is gone and other stuff isn't (storyline wise I mean, obviously the real reason it's gone is because it sucked)

    I sort of agree that it sucked, but it was the easiest Spiderman Solo event I could think of.

    So basically The Other is the only thing that doesn't exist (sans the Marriage). Everything else effectively happened? Like did Pete get the Iron Spider uniform from Tony?

    I don't see how that would have happened, since the suit was specifically tailored to Peter... and with Tony not knowing who Peter is...

    nono.

    that shit happened.

    its like say you get really fucking drunk one night and you don't remember anything that happened. well you still did stuff. just because you can't remember doesn't mean the events didn't happen.

    only this time instead of being alcohol its a magic potion and in addition to erasing everyones memory, it also erased all digital knowledge of peter's identity. But the events still happened.



    at least i think that is how they are trying to explain it off as.

    Thats not a bad analogy.

    I'm not sure why so many people have a hard time grasping this concept though.

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  • RingoRingo He/Him a distinct lack of substanceRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Nogs wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    DharmaBum wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I think The Other is something that actually was retconned away. Most storylines still make a reasonable amount of sense and can be explained away but that one definitely seems to be completley gone.

    Im glad it's gone personally, but I do agree its confusing why that specifically is gone and other stuff isn't (storyline wise I mean, obviously the real reason it's gone is because it sucked)

    I sort of agree that it sucked, but it was the easiest Spiderman Solo event I could think of.

    So basically The Other is the only thing that doesn't exist (sans the Marriage). Everything else effectively happened? Like did Pete get the Iron Spider uniform from Tony?

    I don't see how that would have happened, since the suit was specifically tailored to Peter... and with Tony not knowing who Peter is...

    nono.

    that shit happened.

    its like say you get really fucking drunk one night and you don't remember anything that happened. well you still did stuff. just because you can't remember doesn't mean the events didn't happen.

    only this time instead of being alcohol its a magic potion and in addition to erasing everyones memory, it also erased all digital knowledge of peter's identity. But the events still happened.



    at least i think that is how they are trying to explain it off as.

    Thats not a bad analogy.

    I'm not sure why so many people have a hard time grasping this concept though.



    Because it's only situationaly true. It's not like Peter and MJ suddenly forgot that they were married. Mephisto messed with time - otherwise MJ would still be pregnant. Or the whole Mechanical Web-shooters vs organic thing. Peter and May not living in Avengers tower. Or Harry Fucking Osborn.

    People didn't just forget - things actually changed.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Nogs wrote: »
    like, its not a retcon in the sense that Tony never knew who Spider-Man was.

    its that Tong JUST NOW stopped remembering who Spider-Man was.

    Well, is that because of Mephisto, or because he went on a drunken bender?

    Is he going to come across schematics that say Peter Parker cod piece size 4? and wonder wtf?

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Sentry wrote: »
    Nogs wrote: »
    like, its not a retcon in the sense that Tony never knew who Spider-Man was.

    its that Tony JUST NOW stopped remembering who Spider-Man was.

    Well, is that because of Mephisto, or because he went on a drunken bender?

    Is he going to come across schematics that say Peter Parker cod piece size 4? and wonder wtf?

    along with peoples knowledge/memory goes digital knowledge/memory of spider-man's identity. thats the magical part about it. its like xavier and techno-path cable went all out and erased Spider-man's identity from everyone and everything.

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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    DVG wrote: »
    I'm going to have to pick this up. This continuity retcon gives me the perfect time to start reading 616 Spidey without being totally confused.

    I'm pretty sure that you will still be quite confused. I am, and I have read everything up to this point. :|

    One would surmise that's precisely why you are confused.

    DVG has the benefit of being able to read and enjoy the story without things like facts getting in the way of his experience.
    Nogs wrote: »
    like, its not a retcon in the sense that Tony never knew who Spider-Man was.

    its that Tony JUST NOW stopped remembering who Spider-Man was.

    That's gotta be a bitch.

    "Alright, we've got Peter's location pinpointed and everything, and he doesn't suspect a thing! All thanks to some technobabble that I was able to accomplish by cross-referencing what we know of Spider-man's true identity with more technobabble, making it only too easy, whereas otherwise, it would have been abso-fucking-lutely impossible for us to do this!

    *yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn*

    ...but it's been a hell of a day, ruling the world from SHIELD and all that Hulk business. I'm catching some sleep, and then first thing in the morning, I'll be fresh as a daisy, and we'll nail that traitor's ass to the wall!

    Zzzzzzzzz...."

    *next morning*

    "...well, damn. Just... dammit."

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  • DharmaBumDharmaBum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Basically this is one of those things where if you start to think about it, it all breaks down and you loose sight of the fact that Spiderman is a probably a better book than it's been in a long time?

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  • noir_bloodnoir_blood Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    But is that really because of OMD or because we have Dan Slott and McNiven in the book? Could the story that Slott is telling really couldn't happen in the old Spidey Universe?

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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    DharmaBum wrote: »
    Basically this is one of those things where if you start to think about it, it all breaks down and you loose sight of the fact that Spiderman is a probably a better book than it's been in a long time?

    I don't know.

    I mean, sure the Other and Civil War stuff was, uh, bad. But at least it was something new. The Back in Black storyline, on the other hand, was actually great IMO. Spider-Man's identity reveal was actually a good thing in my opinion, it certainly brought something new to the character.

    Brand New Day? Old. And boring. Same things that have been told years ago, only that years ago it was fresh and Peter Parker wasn't a 20-30 year old man living in his aunts house.

    Slott is an ok writer, but this story in my opinion is not exciting at all.
    Balefuego wrote: »
    Nogs wrote: »
    Sentry wrote: »
    DharmaBum wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I think The Other is something that actually was retconned away. Most storylines still make a reasonable amount of sense and can be explained away but that one definitely seems to be completley gone.

    Im glad it's gone personally, but I do agree its confusing why that specifically is gone and other stuff isn't (storyline wise I mean, obviously the real reason it's gone is because it sucked)

    I sort of agree that it sucked, but it was the easiest Spiderman Solo event I could think of.

    So basically The Other is the only thing that doesn't exist (sans the Marriage). Everything else effectively happened? Like did Pete get the Iron Spider uniform from Tony?

    I don't see how that would have happened, since the suit was specifically tailored to Peter... and with Tony not knowing who Peter is...

    nono.

    that shit happened.

    its like say you get really fucking drunk one night and you don't remember anything that happened. well you still did stuff. just because you can't remember doesn't mean the events didn't happen.

    only this time instead of being alcohol its a magic potion and in addition to erasing everyones memory, it also erased all digital knowledge of peter's identity. But the events still happened.



    at least i think that is how they are trying to explain it off as.

    Thats not a bad analogy.

    I'm not sure why so many people have a hard time grasping this concept though.

    Because the concept is really, really, really poorly explained, stupidly executed and quite retarded from the beginning?

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I really didnt want this to turn into the OMD thread part 2.

    To get back to talking actually about BND - I do think it feels fresh, yes it's going back to Spidey's "roots" but its been so long since we've had stories like that that it feels new again, to me at least. I was tired of the overdone, melodramatic epics about spider-totems and gods that was the core of much of JMS' run.

    It's nice to see Spidey back swinging around fighting thugs on the streets instead of communing with spiders. Plus I really like Mr. Negative and from what I've heard he's far from the only new villain they have in the works. How long has it been since they've had a new Spidey villian that actually worked.

    I hated Morlun, and Ezekial was okay but far too entrenched in the spider-totem stuff that I wasn't a fan of for me to really get into him. I'm really looking forward to them expanding his rogue's gallery.

    If this was just another "Spidey beats up Electro" story I could see why people might feel it's bordering on old hat, but the new characters - both the villains and the ones in Peter's life are what excite me the most.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I really didnt want this to turn into the OMD thread part 2.

    To get back to talking actually about BND - I do think it feels fresh, yes it's going back to Spidey's "roots" but its been so long since we've had stories like that that it feels new again, to me at least. I was tired of the overdone, melodramatic epics about spider-totems and gods that was the core of much of JMS' run.

    It's nice to see Spidey back swinging around fighting thugs on the streets instead of communing with spiders. Plus I really like Mr. Negative and from what I've heard he's far from the only new villain they have in the works. How long has it been since they've had a new Spidey villian that actually worked.

    I hated Morlun, and Ezekial was okay but far too entrenched in the spider-totem stuff that I wasn't a fan of for me to really get into him. I'm really looking forward to them expanding his rogue's gallery.

    If this was just another "Spidey beats up Electro" story I could see why people might feel it's bordering on old hat, but the new characters - both the villains and the ones in Peter's life are what excite me the most.

    kingpin is out of the country right now, correct?

    so Mr. negative is suppose to fill the void in Spider-Man's rogue gallery that was left with kingpin left, I'm assuming.

    It'll be interesting to see how Negative can compare to Fisk.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    A bunch of people are trying to pick up where Fisk left off. I can't wait until the big man kicks their collective asses.

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  • LBD_NytetraynLBD_Nytetrayn TorontoRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The funny part being that Kingpin's ass is big enough to be a collective in itself...

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Fencingsax wrote: »
    A bunch of people are trying to pick up where Fisk left off. I can't wait until the big man kicks their collective asses.

    yeah, but i mean I think Mr. Negative is taking control of the regular mobsters, and The Hood is taking control of the super-criminals. Two sides of the same coin I guess.

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Mr. Negative has some non-regular dudes in his employ though. Overdrive was working for him.

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  • FCDFCD Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I really didnt want this to turn into the OMD thread part 2.

    To get back to talking actually about BND - I do think it feels fresh, yes it's going back to Spidey's "roots" but its been so long since we've had stories like that that it feels new again, to me at least. I was tired of the overdone, melodramatic epics about spider-totems and gods that was the core of much of JMS' run.

    It's nice to see Spidey back swinging around fighting thugs on the streets instead of communing with spiders. Plus I really like Mr. Negative and from what I've heard he's far from the only new villain they have in the works. How long has it been since they've had a new Spidey villian that actually worked.

    I hated Morlun, and Ezekial was okay but far too entrenched in the spider-totem stuff that I wasn't a fan of for me to really get into him. I'm really looking forward to them expanding his rogue's gallery.

    If this was just another "Spidey beats up Electro" story I could see why people might feel it's bordering on old hat, but the new characters - both the villains and the ones in Peter's life are what excite me the most.

    I can certainly understand wanting to get past stuff like the spider-totem. That element of the story was, at the very least, rather awkward for Spider-man as a whole. It is just that, as others have said, using Hell-magic to erase Spider-totem magic(among other things) is a cheap and clumsy way to achieve that end. This status quo, or something reasonably enough like it, could have been realized in a much better way than it was.

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    I really didnt want this to turn into the OMD thread part 2.

    To get back to talking actually about BND - I do think it feels fresh, yes it's going back to Spidey's "roots" but its been so long since we've had stories like that that it feels new again, to me at least. I was tired of the overdone, melodramatic epics about spider-totems and gods that was the core of much of JMS' run.

    It's nice to see Spidey back swinging around fighting thugs on the streets instead of communing with spiders. Plus I really like Mr. Negative and from what I've heard he's far from the only new villain they have in the works. How long has it been since they've had a new Spidey villian that actually worked.

    I hated Morlun, and Ezekial was okay but far too entrenched in the spider-totem stuff that I wasn't a fan of for me to really get into him. I'm really looking forward to them expanding his rogue's gallery.

    If this was just another "Spidey beats up Electro" story I could see why people might feel it's bordering on old hat, but the new characters - both the villains and the ones in Peter's life are what excite me the most.

    I'm still willing to give this a chance... I was excited when I saw Harry back... then the next issue came out, and I just felt sleepy. The problem is, the shit Parker goes through, the Parker luck, the being broke, the being awkward around girls... that crap is cool when Parker is 15... 18... 20... but the closer he gets to 30, the more pathetic it's going to become.

    Frankly, I just don't want my Spider-Man turning into Joey from Friends.

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  • AuxiliaryAuxiliary Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I haven't read Spider Man in over a decade because of tripe like this. Do I like the Character? Sure. Do I like Marvel's Editors? Hell no. BND is just the clone war meets the secret war done over a skillet with lazy writers. I'm sorry, still can't sucker me into a bad series. Ult Spiderman almost had me...almost. Now I go sulk over in my corner waiting on good books for a change. Where the hell is my Runaways?

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  • BalefuegoBalefuego Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    If you dont even like Ultimate Spider-Man, then no, you don't like the character

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  • ZombieAsumaZombieAsuma Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Ummm I can't stand Ultimate Spider-Man and I've liked Spider-Man since I was 4 years old. Then again I don't like the pointlessly snarky, smart-ass tone that ALL Ultimate books have. Then again Runaways has that vibe too and I don't like it either. I guess in a nutshell I just don't like pointless snarkiness. I do REALLY love Spidey though. Spidey knows the right time to be snarky in the 616 verse...for God's sake he offered to buy Echo a Chick-Fil-A combo in the middle of a ninja fight!! But just saying that dislike of Ultimate Spidey does not equal dislike of Spidey. I just prefer grown-up Spider-Man vs. 16-year-old-I've dealt with more shit in a year's time than 616 Spidey has dealt with in 15 years time-why am I so stupid that I screwed up things with Shadow Cat-whiney Spider-Man....wow that went longer than I intended. Mr. Negative looks cool though!

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  • SentrySentry Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    If you dont even like Ultimate Spider-Man, then no, you don't like the character

    This.

    Once someone admits they don't like Ultimate Spidey, it's hard for me to take anything else they say seriously.

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  • AuxiliaryAuxiliary Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Balefuego wrote: »
    If you dont even like Ultimate Spider-Man, then no, you don't like the character

    That is your assumption. I don't read it. I never said I didn't like some of the things going on there. Ultimate Spiderman is like the Coke Zero for me. It's not a bad drink, but it's another diet version of something I'd like in it's pure form. Every once and a while the core Spider books get good. But sadly it's like 1-2 issues and then it's back to the same old junk. Venom era was great (New good bad guy *thumbs up*) , Carnage not so much (Edgier badie that's just a copy of the first.) . Ultimate Spiderman's take on the Clone Saga was fine, but I hate the rest of the Ultimate universe. I can live without the Samuel L Jackson Nick Fury, Body brain Tony Stark, and the Fantastic Four with extra whiny Mr. Fantastic.

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  • NogsNogs Crap, crap, mega crap. Crap, crap, mega crap.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Auxiliary wrote: »
    Balefuego wrote: »
    If you dont even like Ultimate Spider-Man, then no, you don't like the character

    That is your assumption. I don't read it. I never said I didn't like some of the things going on there. Ultimate Spiderman is like the Coke Zero for me. It's not a bad drink, but it's another diet version of something I'd like in it's pure form. Every once and a while the core Spider books get good. But sadly it's like 1-2 issues and then it's back to the same old junk. Venom era was great (New good bad guy *thumbs up*) , Carnage not so much (Edgier badie that's just a copy of the first.) . Ultimate Spiderman's take on the Clone Saga was fine, but I hate the rest of the Ultimate universe. I can live without the Samuel L Jackson Nick Fury, Body brain Tony Stark, and the Fantastic Four with extra whiny Mr. Fantastic.

    but...but ultimate spider-man doesn't star nick fury, tony stark, or the FF.

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  • DarkCrawlerDarkCrawler Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I find 616 Spider-Man more interesting then Ultimate as well...at least these days. IMO Ultimate has kind of declined lately.

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  • FencingsaxFencingsax It is difficult to get a man to understand, when his salary depends upon his not understanding GNU Terry PratchettRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Apparently, FOXDIE is much more common in the Marvel universe than anywhere else.

    Edit: Yeah, we're pretty much just running through the tropes here.

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  • SageinaRageSageinaRage Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Everyone needs to read Ultimate Adventures. Best Ultimate universe book.

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