You're an asshole. What you're getting is worth far more than you paid for the very small period of inconvenience that you suffered. Now you figure you deserve even more because they're also giving it to others you personally feel to be less entitled than you?
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Man, some people just bitch for the sake of bitching I think. To all the people that are crying, what is it you want MS to do? They admitted they messed up and that the situation was unacceptable, and now they are offering a free game to make up for that. They really don't have to do anything. They could have just as easily said sorry about that, done nothing and moved on.
I'm with this.
On the basis that the free game is
a) something I don't already own
b) something not shit
Although, I absolutely love Live Arcade, so I'm happy with 50% of the content on there (as long as I don't already own it)
Edit: Ha ha missed the fricking "not" there... damned alcomohols.
I'd be surprised if MS doesn't provide a list of free games to choose from or make a future release free for everyone for a month.
That would be perfect, if this happened, kudos to MS.
But man, that would probably cost them quite a bit of cash.
Better that than pissed-off users though.
I think consumers have shown MS that theyre more than willing to put up with a truckload of shit to play the 360... Ive lost count of how many times I read something along the lines of:
"My 360 broke for the 3rd time, they kept sending me refurbs that broke weeks later.... so I went and bought a brand new elite!"
With customers like that, why even try?
Great post, my thoughts exactly.
Better that than pissed-off users?
I can practically hear Redmond sneering "Or you'll do what exactly?"
Buy and use an alternative console?
Fucking Hell abducens you act as if no-one who owns a 360 could ever buy another console, or has ever owned another console before. And on this board, of all places.
Just because you are a shitty hate filled troll who does nothing on this forum but plague every Microsoft thread with twatty rhetoric doesn't mean that no-one else can come to their own conclusion about a service.
When people feel like they are getting the shaft from Microsoft to the point where the service does not justify the hassle / expense, they will stop paying for it, and use an alternative.
Fact is, despite the recent fuck-ups, the service as a whole has been pretty damned excellent.
That does not mean that when shit goes wrong the actual users are not entitled to bitch about it.
Yep, now comes the lashing out at me, the name calling, the troll labels -- the veiled attempts to get mods to intervene to shut me up.
You can write all the obscenity laced tirade you want, you still haven't answered how you're going to back up this "We're really really mad, Microsoft!" tough talk. As long as you do nothing, yes, they are probably laughing at you. Don't shoot the messenger.
I have to say, I really don't like the tendency of this forum that when somebody says something another poster doesn't like, there is this push to try to get mods to intervene with the use of hot button words like "troll." That is what is now going on with this post and fragglefart's and it's borderline intimidation tactics. I'm not going to be bullied by you guys into being quiet on an issue that I want to talk about. I'm here to respectfully interact with you folks and I'd appreciate it if I could do so without the obscenities and name calling. If you can't handle that, please don't read my posts. I was replying to MistaCreepy, nothing more.
Dear god! Xbox lives normally excellent service was screwed for a short time, everyone gets a free game (I bet the tone is different if its castle crashers ). The world didn't end, MS didn't kill your childhood pet.
Abducens you seriously need to go play some PSN or find some Wii friends, and stop posting crap.
Ab - I think the fact that people are upset at all is a real problem for Microsoft. Just because people aren't going to go burn down MS headquarters doesn't mean that MS isn't going to feel their anger. Regardless of whether there are any immediate results of upsetting consumers it could come back to affect the console in the future (the next xbox?). Xbox is still in an awkwardly unprofitable phase right now because of the recalls/three ring issue. Which means the future is extremely important for the console. Losing any ground, even when it comes to the attitudes of its customers towards the product can be a big issue. I know that I have friends who have watched me struggle with the service over the past few days which has made them reconsider purchasing an xbox in the future.
I love the service and I have certainly been annoyed by it recently but this too shall pass. But don't think Microsoft doesn't care, they do. They have to.
Ab - I think the fact that people are upset at all is a real problem for Microsoft. Just because people aren't going to go burn down MS headquarters doesn't mean that MS isn't going to feel their anger. Regardless of whether there are any immediate results of upsetting consumers it could come back to affect the console in the future (the next xbox?). Xbox is still in an awkwardly unprofitable phase right now because of the recalls/three ring issue. Which means the future is extremely important for the console. Losing any ground, even when it comes to the attitudes of its customers towards the product can be a big issue. I know that I have friends who have watched me struggle with the service over the past few days which has made them reconsider purchasing an xbox in the future.
I love the service and I have certainly been annoyed by it recently but this too shall pass. But don't think Microsoft doesn't care, they do. They have to.
Thanks for the post cakemikz. I honestly think that in their hearts of hearts, a lot of 360 owners are wondering WTF is going on with their 360 and it having one issue after the other. But I think console war flamebaiting takes over and they try to put up as positive a front they can. I see it happen here -- In one thread a guy will tell a PS3 owner how awesome the 360 is, then in a separate thread go on rant mode about their frustrations with it. A lot of these guys have just sunk hundreds and hundreds of dollars into this console, so there really is nothing they can do short of taking a huge bath on that investment.
I agree with you, I think a lot of Xbox 360 owners, come Xbox 720 (or whatever) are going to take a good hard look at what they're getting into before "jumping in" again. That is where a lot of the anger today will get vetted out. I get the sense from 360 owners that they just don't feel in control of their current situation, so they're trying to make the best of it. Nothing wrong with that.
Ab - I think the fact that people are upset at all is a real problem for Microsoft. Just because people aren't going to go burn down MS headquarters doesn't mean that MS isn't going to feel their anger. Regardless of whether there are any immediate results of upsetting consumers it could come back to affect the console in the future (the next xbox?). Xbox is still in an awkwardly unprofitable phase right now because of the recalls/three ring issue. Which means the future is extremely important for the console. Losing any ground, even when it comes to the attitudes of its customers towards the product can be a big issue. I know that I have friends who have watched me struggle with the service over the past few days which has made them reconsider purchasing an xbox in the future.
I love the service and I have certainly been annoyed by it recently but this too shall pass. But don't think Microsoft doesn't care, they do. They have to.
Ab - I think the fact that people are upset at all is a real problem for Microsoft. Just because people aren't going to go burn down MS headquarters doesn't mean that MS isn't going to feel their anger. Regardless of whether there are any immediate results of upsetting consumers it could come back to affect the console in the future (the next xbox?). Xbox is still in an awkwardly unprofitable phase right now because of the recalls/three ring issue. Which means the future is extremely important for the console. Losing any ground, even when it comes to the attitudes of its customers towards the product can be a big issue. I know that I have friends who have watched me struggle with the service over the past few days which has made them reconsider purchasing an xbox in the future.
I love the service and I have certainly been annoyed by it recently but this too shall pass. But don't think Microsoft doesn't care, they do. They have to.
Thanks for the post cakemikz. I honestly think that in their hearts of hearts, a lot of 360 owners are wondering WTF is going on with their 360 and it having one issue after the other. But I think console war flamebaiting takes over and they try to put up as positive a front they can. I see it happen here -- In one thread a guy will tell a PS3 owner how awesome the 360 is, then in a separate thread go on rant mode about their frustrations with it. A lot of these guys have just sunk hundreds and hundreds of dollars into this console, so there really is nothing they can do short of taking a huge bath on that investment.
I agree with you, I think a lot of Xbox 360 owners, come Xbox 720 (or whatever) are going to take a good hard look at what they're getting into before "jumping in" again. That is where a lot of the anger today will get vetted out. I get the sense from 360 owners that they just don't feel in control of their current situation, so they're trying to make the best of it. Nothing wrong with that.
Wow... I mean really abducens... You're out-doing yourself. This is hilarious. I can honestly say that being without my console for two weeks in the last year-and-a-half, and having some slow Live service for all of one week does not make me wonder "WTF" or make me feel "out of control in the current situation", or even that I'm "taking a huge bath on that investment" in my "heart of hearts." How do you actually manage to write this stuff. o_O
Ab - I think the fact that people are upset at all is a real problem for Microsoft. Just because people aren't going to go burn down MS headquarters doesn't mean that MS isn't going to feel their anger. Regardless of whether there are any immediate results of upsetting consumers it could come back to affect the console in the future (the next xbox?). Xbox is still in an awkwardly unprofitable phase right now because of the recalls/three ring issue. Which means the future is extremely important for the console. Losing any ground, even when it comes to the attitudes of its customers towards the product can be a big issue. I know that I have friends who have watched me struggle with the service over the past few days which has made them reconsider purchasing an xbox in the future.
I love the service and I have certainly been annoyed by it recently but this too shall pass. But don't think Microsoft doesn't care, they do. They have to.
Thanks for the post cakemikz. I honestly think that in their hearts of hearts, a lot of 360 owners are wondering WTF is going on with their 360 and it having one issue after the other. But I think console war flamebaiting takes over and they try to put up as positive a front they can. I see it happen here -- In one thread a guy will tell a PS3 owner how awesome the 360 is, then in a separate thread go on rant mode about their frustrations with it. A lot of these guys have just sunk hundreds and hundreds of dollars into this console, so there really is nothing they can do short of taking a huge bath on that investment.
I agree with you, I think a lot of Xbox 360 owners, come Xbox 720 (or whatever) are going to take a good hard look at what they're getting into before "jumping in" again. That is where a lot of the anger today will get vetted out. I get the sense from 360 owners that they just don't feel in control of their current situation, so they're trying to make the best of it. Nothing wrong with that.
Seriously I don't know another xbox user that feels this way. I didn't even use live during this period, as I was too busy with family. I've had a RROD with a previous xbox, but got a brand new one to replace it less than two weeks later, and it was 18 months after i'd bought the console. I've had the current one for almost a year now and it's not had a single problem.
I'm certain that in my "Heart of hearts" I feel happy with the product and support i've recieved.
I have my doubts. You guys probably feel the need to put a good face on it, since I'm the Evil PS3 Troll and you're discussing the issue with me.
However, I know several Xbox 360 IRL and they are not happy at all. One guy is on his 4th box and says he never would have gotten the thing knowing what he knows now.
I've also seen several posts on this forum where Xbox 360 owners are talking to other Xbox 360 owners, and they paint a pretty bleak picture of their experience.
However, I know several Xbox 360 IRL and they are not happy at all. One guy is on his 4th box and says he never would have gotten the thing knowing what he knows now.
Well, tough for him. I guess he shouldn't have gotten the console, being able to play 360 exclusives and having an awesome and cheap Arcade library available in the same box is really a pain in the ass!
Listen, abducens. You're. A. Fucking. Troll. And this is not because there's a conspiracy or whatever. It's not because you disagree with me (oh no, anything but that). It's because YOU TROLL. Every single post you ever made in every 360 thread ever is a retarded ramble that no one ever agreed with.
Just like you think you know how every one of us think in the innermost parts of our subconcious, I'll too make a wild claim and say that you're lying, that you don't know a single 360 user since you don't know anything about 360s, Live, Microsoft, or video games.
However, I know several Xbox 360 IRL and they are not happy at all. One guy is on his 4th box and says he never would have gotten the thing knowing what he knows now.
Well, tough for him. I guess he shouldn't have gotten the console, being able to play 360 exclusives and having an awesome and cheap Arcade library available in the same box is really a pain in the ass!
Listen, abducens. You're. A. Fucking. Troll. And this is not because there's a conspiracy or whatever. It's not because you disagree with me (oh no, anything but that). It's because YOU TROLL. Every single post you ever made in every 360 thread ever is a retarded ramble that no one ever agreed with.
Just like you think you know how every one of us think in the innermost parts of our subconcious, I'll too make a wild claim and say that you're lying, that you don't know a single 360 user since you don't know anything about 360s, Live, Microsoft, or video games.
I can understand calling him a Troll especially since alot of his post are Troll like, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth in some parts that I do agree with, even though I am a big 360 fan, The relibility issue still is a huge concern and really shouldn't be swept under the rug like it has been lately.
I know I don't trust MS and they deserved to be called out at every single oppurtunity until they make things right with the systems which they are doing slowly but the warrenty is a big part to help.
I have a feeling this free game that MS will release will be something like Yari 2 and nothing worth while at all.
However, I know several Xbox 360 IRL and they are not happy at all. One guy is on his 4th box and says he never would have gotten the thing knowing what he knows now.
Well, tough for him. I guess he shouldn't have gotten the console, being able to play 360 exclusives and having an awesome and cheap Arcade library available in the same box is really a pain in the ass!
Listen, abducens. You're. A. Fucking. Troll. And this is not because there's a conspiracy or whatever. It's not because you disagree with me (oh no, anything but that). It's because YOU TROLL. Every single post you ever made in every 360 thread ever is a retarded ramble that no one ever agreed with.
Just like you think you know how every one of us think in the innermost parts of our subconcious, I'll too make a wild claim and say that you're lying, that you don't know a single 360 user since you don't know anything about 360s, Live, Microsoft, or video games.
I can understand calling him a Troll especially since alot of his post are Troll like, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth in some parts that I do agree with, even though I am a big 360 fan, The relibility issue still is a huge concern and really shouldn't be swept under the rug like it has been lately.
I know I don't trust MS and they deserved to be called out at every single oppurtunity until they make things right with the systems which they are doing really slowly.
I have a feeling this free game that MS will release will be something like Yari 2 and nothing worth while at all.
Oh, Microsoft has its share of problems with the 360 and Live, I'll give you that, but nothing abducens ever said made sense. If you want REAL fuck-ups, read Squirm's thread about immigration and Live. THAT is Microsoft being assholes.
Let's say reliability issues are a concern. I should know, I'm on my third 360 and MS has yet to call me back about putting my XBLA liscences on the new console.
So I paid the price of the console. Then I subscribed to Live. Then, I purchased a few games, and each gave me my money's worth. I didn't purchase a lot of them, though, I mostly purchased XBLA titles which are cheaper. Taking into account how much I paid for the whole thing, and how much fun and playtime I've gotten out of it, I'd say it's on par with my other consoles, if not even a better value.
Would I prefer it if I didn't need to worry about it breaking? Yes.
Would I prefer it if XBLA DRM wasn't a pain in the ass? Yes!
Would I prefer it if the console was quieter? Yes.
But do I feel I got my money worth, and then some? Fuck yeah!
Yes, I know, I got my money worth but they should still fix the problems because these are still problems. I agree. All I'm saying is that abducens' retarded claims that Microsoft is pure evil that feeds on gamer tears and that Live is always down (as well as all 360s ever made) is ridiculous. When I made a thread about my XBLA problems, I waited for help to come. I refreshed, and saw that someone replied. It was abducens, but I didn't know what he was back then. I click, and bam, I get "One way to fix it is..... wait, nevermind."
What the fuck is that shit?
Yes, I know, I got my money worth but they should still fix the problems because these are still problems. I agree. All I'm saying is that abducens' retarded claims that Microsoft is pure evil that feeds on gamer tears and that Live is always down (as well as all 360s ever made) is ridiculous. When I made a thread about my XBLA problems, I waited for help to come. I refreshed, and saw that someone replied. It was abducens, but I didn't know what he was back then. I click, and bam, I get "One way to fix it is..... wait, nevermind."
What the fuck is that shit?
Absolutely, I agree fully he is a troll and a really bad one at that,
The Immigration Xbox thread where they told him to go back to England is just messed up, I can't believe any company would do that but it happened which is messed up beyond belief.
Such hostility. You'd think I was the one who knocked Live out of commission.
I've said what I've wanted to say. Feel free to disagree if you like. It's just my opinion, not trolling.
You're a troll. There's no two ways about it. And it's not because you disagree with me. I never once called DarkWarrior a troll. I just considered him an asshole. You post in every 360-related thread with snide comments and inane rambles that go nowhere and do nothing but insult MS, the 360, or 360 owners. The mods have exhibited more patience with you than I've seen in quite some time, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why you haven't been fucking banned, considering your lack of any constructive thing to do or say.
Such hostility. You'd think I was the one who knocked Live out of commission.
I've said what I've wanted to say. Feel free to disagree if you like. It's just my opinion, not trolling.
You're a troll. There's no two ways about it. And it's not because you disagree with me. I never once called DarkWarrior a troll. I just considered him an asshole. You post in every 360-related thread with snide comments and inane rambles that go nowhere and do nothing but insult MS, the 360, or 360 owners. The mods have exhibited more patience with you than I've seen in quite some time, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why you haven't been fucking banned, considering your lack of any constructive thing to do or say.
Agreed. Repeating a not popular opionion over and over long after everyone has heard it for the 20th time strikes me as trolling. This on top of never posting another goddamn thing pretty much leads to all the hate you are getting. Why don't you try getting involved in a game on or make some positive posts about stuff you do like before you attempt to start a fight in a 360 related thread again. As it is now I feel fully justified in labeling you a troll and moving on.
A free 400 or so points would be nicer than a free game, surely. I'd probably grab that car pack for Forza, which I'd probably never do if I had to spend my own actual money.
A free 400 or so points would be nicer than a free game, surely. I'd probably grab that car pack for Forza, which I'd probably never do if I had to spend my own actual money.
The problem with giving points out is that many people have multiple accounts and so they would be getting a lot more points than everyone else. If they just make a game free for a couple days that benefits everyone equally.
Maybe instead of giving us a free game as an apology, Microsoft will make my DRM problems go away.
A boy can dream, right?
No dreaming!
I wonder if the fact that they are taking a few weeks to set this up is because they are planning something complex or because they have to fix xbox live first?
A free 400 or so points would be nicer than a free game, surely. I'd probably grab that car pack for Forza, which I'd probably never do if I had to spend my own actual money.
The FXX and the Renault Turbo 5 (don't laugh, see for yourself) alone make it worth your money.
I haven't bought Road America yet, but I probably should.
I'm glad that there's a lawsuit. Not because I'm particularly hurt over the outage, I've been on the internet for a decade. Tubes getting clogged on the internets isn't something new. I'm glad there's a lawsuit because, if anything, it'll make MS think a bit harder and prepare a bit better. One of the only things that you can really hold Microsoft accountable is not having enough foresight to expect what happened.3
But I'm pretty sure that the moment the PSN network experiences the same load as Live, we'll see similar problems.
Eh? I missed all the drama again? Well that's a downer.
It's awesome that I'm getting a free game though. I've not even had time to use Live since the new year's been so busy; it's like getting something for nothing.
I sympathise for all the people off work who arn't getting to enjoy Live though. I'd be annoyed too if I was in that situation. I think it says a lot about how much people enjoy Live though when so many people complain when it goes down.
I'm glad that there's a lawsuit. Not because I'm particularly hurt over the outage, I've been on the internet for a decade. Tubes getting clogged on the internets isn't something new. I'm glad there's a lawsuit because, if anything, it'll make MS think a bit harder and prepare a bit better. One of the only things that you can really hold Microsoft accountable is not having enough foresight to expect what happened.3
But I'm pretty sure that the moment the PSN network experiences the same load as Live, we'll see similar problems.
I would like to add, though, that the length of the issue is unacceptable. Goin on what, four weeks now?
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A free 400 or so points would be nicer than a free game, surely. I'd probably grab that car pack for Forza, which I'd probably never do if I had to spend my own actual money.
This is a very good idea but this is microsoft. I doubt they will even consider it. It would be really nice though. I do like the idea.
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I'm glad that there's a lawsuit. Not because I'm particularly hurt over the outage, I've been on the internet for a decade. Tubes getting clogged on the internets isn't something new. I'm glad there's a lawsuit because, if anything, it'll make MS think a bit harder and prepare a bit better. One of the only things that you can really hold Microsoft accountable is not having enough foresight to expect what happened.3
But I'm pretty sure that the moment the PSN network experiences the same load as Live, we'll see similar problems.
I would like to add, though, that the length of the issue is unacceptable. Goin on what, four weeks now?
I'm glad that there's a lawsuit. Not because I'm particularly hurt over the outage, I've been on the internet for a decade. Tubes getting clogged on the internets isn't something new. I'm glad there's a lawsuit because, if anything, it'll make MS think a bit harder and prepare a bit better. One of the only things that you can really hold Microsoft accountable is not having enough foresight to expect what happened.3
But I'm pretty sure that the moment the PSN network experiences the same load as Live, we'll see similar problems.
I would like to add, though, that the length of the issue is unacceptable. Goin on what, four weeks now?
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I'd like to see you react, Sleep.
"Sir, the Christmas rush hit us way worse than we expected. Live is fucked! Millions of gamers everywhere are trying to connect to it to play a whole bunch of games, download full movies and buy XBLA titles! DO SOMETHING, QUICK!!!"
I'm glad that there's a lawsuit. Not because I'm particularly hurt over the outage, I've been on the internet for a decade. Tubes getting clogged on the internets isn't something new. I'm glad there's a lawsuit because, if anything, it'll make MS think a bit harder and prepare a bit better. One of the only things that you can really hold Microsoft accountable is not having enough foresight to expect what happened.3
But I'm pretty sure that the moment the PSN network experiences the same load as Live, we'll see similar problems.
I would like to add, though, that the length of the issue is unacceptable. Goin on what, four weeks now?
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I'd like to see you react, Sleep.
"Sir, the Christmas rush hit us way worse than we expected. Live is fucked! Millions of gamers everywhere are trying to connect to it to play a whole bunch of games, download full movies and buy XBLA titles! DO SOMETHING, QUICK!!!"
So... what do you do? Quickly, too.
Take Live completely down and fix it....
On a side note, I hate you people that can defend MS for your console breaking on you. I love my 360, I love what I have for my 360. I am also on my 4th 360 and have no faith in MS anymore. I am avoiding buying multiplatfrom games on the 360 if I can get it on my PS3 because I don't have to worry about it popping on me. I am not playing Mass Effect as much as I want because my 360 is starting to make noises similar to when it broke last time.
No matter how much fun the games are, thats not who you thank and defend. I love Mass Effect, thank you Bioware. I love Halo 3, thank you big B. I love Bioshock, thank you T2. I love all my Live titles, thank you smaller developers. I HATE my 360, kiss my ass MS.
Add to the fact that i bought mine in week 1 and they keep releasing a better version. Thats just crappy customer relations. Early adopters are getting screwed.
No matter how much fun the games are, thats not who you thank and defend. I love Mass Effect, thank you Bioware. I love Halo 3, thank you big B. I love Bioshock, thank you T2. I love all my Live titles, thank you smaller developers. I HATE my 360, kiss my ass MS.
Kind of like I love my country but hate the current government? I can dig.
No matter how much fun the games are, thats not who you thank and defend. I love Mass Effect, thank you Bioware. I love Halo 3, thank you big B. I love Bioshock, thank you T2. I love all my Live titles, thank you smaller developers. I HATE my 360, kiss my ass MS.
Kind of like I love my country but hate the current government? I can dig.
Exactly, its the folks that like to say "I love my games on the 360, so I don't mind my Xbox broke", Thats ridiculous. That does not excuse MS for having problems and screwing over people out there.
No matter how much fun the games are, thats not who you thank and defend. I love Mass Effect, thank you Bioware. I love Halo 3, thank you big B. I love Bioshock, thank you T2. I love all my Live titles, thank you smaller developers. I HATE my 360, kiss my ass MS.
3/4 on your list were published by Microsoft Game Studios.
Its like saying, "Leave my local McDonalds alone. I love Big Macs, so getting shut down due to health issues is no big deal."
...sorry for the multi posts. I am really bored and things keep popping up in my head.
That one analogy is severely flawed. It'd only work if you could have your 360 break on demand. Anyone who has health issues due to McDonalds has him/herself and no one else to thank for that.
No matter how much fun the games are, thats not who you thank and defend. I love Mass Effect, thank you Bioware. I love Halo 3, thank you big B. I love Bioshock, thank you T2. I love all my Live titles, thank you smaller developers. I HATE my 360, kiss my ass MS.
3/4 on your list were published by Microsoft Game Studios.
You ever see any making off type stuff? Publishers put up money and get the game out, thats all.
As I play World of Warcraft, do I think, "Thanks Vivendi!" No, I think "Thanks Blizzard", Vivendi just put up cash in hopes of making more. Blizzard took time, effort and man hours in hopes of making money. There is a huge diffrence.
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Yep, now comes the lashing out at me, the name calling, the troll labels -- the veiled attempts to get mods to intervene to shut me up.
You can write all the obscenity laced tirade you want, you still haven't answered how you're going to back up this "We're really really mad, Microsoft!" tough talk. As long as you do nothing, yes, they are probably laughing at you. Don't shoot the messenger.
I have to say, I really don't like the tendency of this forum that when somebody says something another poster doesn't like, there is this push to try to get mods to intervene with the use of hot button words like "troll." That is what is now going on with this post and fragglefart's and it's borderline intimidation tactics. I'm not going to be bullied by you guys into being quiet on an issue that I want to talk about. I'm here to respectfully interact with you folks and I'd appreciate it if I could do so without the obscenities and name calling. If you can't handle that, please don't read my posts. I was replying to MistaCreepy, nothing more.
Abducens you seriously need to go play some PSN or find some Wii friends, and stop posting crap.
I love the service and I have certainly been annoyed by it recently but this too shall pass. But don't think Microsoft doesn't care, they do. They have to.
Thanks for the post cakemikz. I honestly think that in their hearts of hearts, a lot of 360 owners are wondering WTF is going on with their 360 and it having one issue after the other. But I think console war flamebaiting takes over and they try to put up as positive a front they can. I see it happen here -- In one thread a guy will tell a PS3 owner how awesome the 360 is, then in a separate thread go on rant mode about their frustrations with it. A lot of these guys have just sunk hundreds and hundreds of dollars into this console, so there really is nothing they can do short of taking a huge bath on that investment.
I agree with you, I think a lot of Xbox 360 owners, come Xbox 720 (or whatever) are going to take a good hard look at what they're getting into before "jumping in" again. That is where a lot of the anger today will get vetted out. I get the sense from 360 owners that they just don't feel in control of their current situation, so they're trying to make the best of it. Nothing wrong with that.
Liming for truth.
Wow... I mean really abducens... You're out-doing yourself. This is hilarious. I can honestly say that being without my console for two weeks in the last year-and-a-half, and having some slow Live service for all of one week does not make me wonder "WTF" or make me feel "out of control in the current situation", or even that I'm "taking a huge bath on that investment" in my "heart of hearts." How do you actually manage to write this stuff. o_O
Seriously I don't know another xbox user that feels this way. I didn't even use live during this period, as I was too busy with family. I've had a RROD with a previous xbox, but got a brand new one to replace it less than two weeks later, and it was 18 months after i'd bought the console. I've had the current one for almost a year now and it's not had a single problem.
I'm certain that in my "Heart of hearts" I feel happy with the product and support i've recieved.
However, I know several Xbox 360 IRL and they are not happy at all. One guy is on his 4th box and says he never would have gotten the thing knowing what he knows now.
I've also seen several posts on this forum where Xbox 360 owners are talking to other Xbox 360 owners, and they paint a pretty bleak picture of their experience.
Well, tough for him. I guess he shouldn't have gotten the console, being able to play 360 exclusives and having an awesome and cheap Arcade library available in the same box is really a pain in the ass!
Listen, abducens. You're. A. Fucking. Troll. And this is not because there's a conspiracy or whatever. It's not because you disagree with me (oh no, anything but that). It's because YOU TROLL. Every single post you ever made in every 360 thread ever is a retarded ramble that no one ever agreed with.
Just like you think you know how every one of us think in the innermost parts of our subconcious, I'll too make a wild claim and say that you're lying, that you don't know a single 360 user since you don't know anything about 360s, Live, Microsoft, or video games.
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I've said what I've wanted to say. Feel free to disagree if you like. It's just my opinion, not trolling.
I can understand calling him a Troll especially since alot of his post are Troll like, but that doesn't mean he's not telling the truth in some parts that I do agree with, even though I am a big 360 fan, The relibility issue still is a huge concern and really shouldn't be swept under the rug like it has been lately.
I know I don't trust MS and they deserved to be called out at every single oppurtunity until they make things right with the systems which they are doing slowly but the warrenty is a big part to help.
I have a feeling this free game that MS will release will be something like Yari 2 and nothing worth while at all.
Oh, Microsoft has its share of problems with the 360 and Live, I'll give you that, but nothing abducens ever said made sense. If you want REAL fuck-ups, read Squirm's thread about immigration and Live. THAT is Microsoft being assholes.
Let's say reliability issues are a concern. I should know, I'm on my third 360 and MS has yet to call me back about putting my XBLA liscences on the new console.
So I paid the price of the console. Then I subscribed to Live. Then, I purchased a few games, and each gave me my money's worth. I didn't purchase a lot of them, though, I mostly purchased XBLA titles which are cheaper. Taking into account how much I paid for the whole thing, and how much fun and playtime I've gotten out of it, I'd say it's on par with my other consoles, if not even a better value.
Would I prefer it if I didn't need to worry about it breaking? Yes.
Would I prefer it if XBLA DRM wasn't a pain in the ass? Yes!
Would I prefer it if the console was quieter? Yes.
But do I feel I got my money worth, and then some? Fuck yeah!
Yes, I know, I got my money worth but they should still fix the problems because these are still problems. I agree. All I'm saying is that abducens' retarded claims that Microsoft is pure evil that feeds on gamer tears and that Live is always down (as well as all 360s ever made) is ridiculous. When I made a thread about my XBLA problems, I waited for help to come. I refreshed, and saw that someone replied. It was abducens, but I didn't know what he was back then. I click, and bam, I get "One way to fix it is..... wait, nevermind."
What the fuck is that shit?
Absolutely, I agree fully he is a troll and a really bad one at that,
The Immigration Xbox thread where they told him to go back to England is just messed up, I can't believe any company would do that but it happened which is messed up beyond belief.
You're a troll. There's no two ways about it. And it's not because you disagree with me. I never once called DarkWarrior a troll. I just considered him an asshole. You post in every 360-related thread with snide comments and inane rambles that go nowhere and do nothing but insult MS, the 360, or 360 owners. The mods have exhibited more patience with you than I've seen in quite some time, and for the life of me, I can't figure out why you haven't been fucking banned, considering your lack of any constructive thing to do or say.
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Agreed. Repeating a not popular opionion over and over long after everyone has heard it for the 20th time strikes me as trolling. This on top of never posting another goddamn thing pretty much leads to all the hate you are getting. Why don't you try getting involved in a game on or make some positive posts about stuff you do like before you attempt to start a fight in a 360 related thread again. As it is now I feel fully justified in labeling you a troll and moving on.
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The problem with giving points out is that many people have multiple accounts and so they would be getting a lot more points than everyone else. If they just make a game free for a couple days that benefits everyone equally.
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I wonder if the fact that they are taking a few weeks to set this up is because they are planning something complex or because they have to fix xbox live first?
The FXX and the Renault Turbo 5 (don't laugh, see for yourself) alone make it worth your money.
I haven't bought Road America yet, but I probably should.
But I'm pretty sure that the moment the PSN network experiences the same load as Live, we'll see similar problems.
It's awesome that I'm getting a free game though. I've not even had time to use Live since the new year's been so busy; it's like getting something for nothing.
I sympathise for all the people off work who arn't getting to enjoy Live though. I'd be annoyed too if I was in that situation. I think it says a lot about how much people enjoy Live though when so many people complain when it goes down.
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I would like to add, though, that the length of the issue is unacceptable. Goin on what, four weeks now?
This is a very good idea but this is microsoft. I doubt they will even consider it. It would be really nice though. I do like the idea.
I'd like to see you react, Sleep.
"Sir, the Christmas rush hit us way worse than we expected. Live is fucked! Millions of gamers everywhere are trying to connect to it to play a whole bunch of games, download full movies and buy XBLA titles! DO SOMETHING, QUICK!!!"
So... what do you do? Quickly, too.
Take Live completely down and fix it....
On a side note, I hate you people that can defend MS for your console breaking on you. I love my 360, I love what I have for my 360. I am also on my 4th 360 and have no faith in MS anymore. I am avoiding buying multiplatfrom games on the 360 if I can get it on my PS3 because I don't have to worry about it popping on me. I am not playing Mass Effect as much as I want because my 360 is starting to make noises similar to when it broke last time.
No matter how much fun the games are, thats not who you thank and defend. I love Mass Effect, thank you Bioware. I love Halo 3, thank you big B. I love Bioshock, thank you T2. I love all my Live titles, thank you smaller developers. I HATE my 360, kiss my ass MS.
Kind of like I love my country but hate the current government? I can dig.
Exactly, its the folks that like to say "I love my games on the 360, so I don't mind my Xbox broke", Thats ridiculous. That does not excuse MS for having problems and screwing over people out there.
...sorry for the multi posts. I am really bored and things keep popping up in my head.
3/4 on your list were published by Microsoft Game Studios.
That one analogy is severely flawed. It'd only work if you could have your 360 break on demand. Anyone who has health issues due to McDonalds has him/herself and no one else to thank for that.
You ever see any making off type stuff? Publishers put up money and get the game out, thats all.
As I play World of Warcraft, do I think, "Thanks Vivendi!" No, I think "Thanks Blizzard", Vivendi just put up cash in hopes of making more. Blizzard took time, effort and man hours in hopes of making money. There is a huge diffrence.