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American Primaries: Romney wins Michigan

ElkiElki get busyModerator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
edited January 2008 in Debate and/or Discourse
New thread.

And lo, the pundits' narrative gets blown the fuck up once more. But don't freak out, you jittery brained freaks. It wasn't over because someone won in Iowa, and it's not over now just because they didn't win in New Hampshire. Relax, and smoke some of whatever you usually do. It's pot, isn't? I knew it.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Primary season just got more interesting. This is ultimately for the greater good. We can't help but be better off when our candidates legitimately have to refine themselves and their pitch.

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  • oldmankenoldmanken Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I asked this just before the last thread got locked:
    The delgate system is not like how the electoral college works, correct? As in, if someone wins a state in the electoral college, they carry all the votes there, whereas in the primaries, even if you lose the state you can still come out of it with the support of a proportional amount of delegates? Is that how it works?

    If it does work that way, things are not all doom and gloom. Considering how close this is, Obama will still pick up enough to delegates to maintain a lead, though smaller than after Iowa.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    If Edwards gets destroyed in SC there is a chance he'll come to his senses.

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  • NisslNissl Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    What does Edwards do now? We know what Hildog and Obama are going to do. Should Edwards drop out, or keep going? How does he poll in Super Tuesday states? Do you think potential Edwards voters would sooner move to Hildog or Obama?

    If he were actually interested in winning... I don't see any path to the nomination for him. He polls about as well nationally as he was polling here in NH. He will get nothing out NH that helps him in NV and SC, and so he will get nothing out of those states towards Feb. 5. But what do I know?

    As for splits, the obvious answer is that Edwards voters would go for Obama, because a lot of them are anti-Hillary, farther left types (i.e. kossacks). But it may be that the other half of Edwards' vote is the blue collar workers that screwed him tonight.

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  • werehippywerehippy Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Which way do the blue collar's break without Edwards? Clinton is the old school Dem and labor was always one of their power bases, but Obama is going to still be the candidate of change and improving the lot of those who have it rough.

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  • SalSal Damnedest Little Fellow Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    What is the next primary? South Carolina?

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  • JragghenJragghen Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    So how was Obama's speech? I admit I turned the TV off.

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  • tachyontachyon Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    oldmanken wrote: »
    I asked this just before the last thread got locked:
    The delgate system is not like how the electoral college works, correct? As in, if someone wins a state in the electoral college, they carry all the votes there, whereas in the primaries, even if you lose the state you can still come out of it with the support of a proportional amount of delegates? Is that how it works?

    If it does work that way, things are not all doom and gloom. Considering how close this is, Obama will still pick up enough to delegates to maintain a lead, though smaller than after Iowa.

    Nope, it's based on percentages. Winning NH (even by3-4%) is more of a psychological win.

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  • GeodGeod swim, swim, hungryRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So how was Obama's speech? I admit I turned the TV off.

    I did the same exact thing... New Hampshire disappoints me.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    Sal wrote: »
    What is the next primary? South Carolina?

    Michigan.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited January 2008
    Olbermann: Good speech by Obama, but he used a teleprompter.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Michigan is technically next, but they have no delegates to send to the convention because they pissed off the DNC by moving their primary up too early.

    Next up is the new kid on the block, the Nevada caucus on the 19th.

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  • NisslNissl Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The new speech was fine; I agree with the analysts that it was basically a first-place speech with a concession line. New theme: "yes we can." He didn't seem very happy during the speech, though he was smiling a lot before and after.

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  • One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So how was Obama's speech? I admit I turned the TV off.

    Fuck yes.

    Edit: that is to say, it was good.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Rygar wrote: »
    Olbermann: Good speech by Obama, but he used a teleprompter.
    If I ever meet him, I will spit in his fucking face for that.

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  • waterloggedwaterlogged Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Since last thread got locked
    Jebu wrote: »
    waterlogged is pretty much a perfect example of what we can expect if Hillary gets the nom: a ton of people presenting irrational fear and impenetrable hatred based on murky reasoning and fueled by decades of spin from the right wing media machine. It's precisely why all the republicans are praying she'll be the democratic candidate.

    You make this sound as if I listen to Faux News and talk radio, I don't.

    I've always voted blue, I pushed for Webb, and as a military veteran pushed for Kerry. I'm a solid Democrat, but I don't want her, what she stands for (in terms of the press and imperial white house), or to help further entrench the American political family system.

    Far from that. I'm a pro-gay rights, pro-choice, Democrat with a countdown till Bush is gone clock on my desk at work.

    But I'm more loyal to this country then I am to any political party, and the continuation of this, be it blue or red, is far more damaging in the long term.

    I wasn't completely decided to vote red against her until I saw senators and governors I respect, all Democrats mind you, explain why they wouldn't want to work in an administration under her, that clinched it for me. Biden's comments on why he wouldn't be vice or sec state under her were classic ones... but I guess you'll assert Biden is a victim of right wing media and like, just because he want's nothing to do with her, great.

    I'm still hoping it's not her, but if it is I have to do what I feel is right.

    On to something positive, hoping for an Obama win in SC

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  • TarranonTarranon Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    WTG New Hampshire. WTG.

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  • geckahngeckahn Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    What is the next primary? South Carolina?

    Michigan.

    Doesnt count.

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  • deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Geod wrote: »
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So how was Obama's speech? I admit I turned the TV off.

    I did the same exact thing... New Hampshire disappoints me.

    It was an Obama speech. That said, I was humping the screen by the time he said goodnight.

    God, I'm so pissed right now.

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  • DogDog Registered User, Administrator, Vanilla Staff admin
    edited January 2008
    Shit McCain is gonna lose to Romney maybe. Sucks for McCain.

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  • Salvation122Salvation122 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Fuck yeah Huckabee lost

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Jragghen wrote: »
    So how was Obama's speech? I admit I turned the TV off.

    Whatever his flaws, Obama gives one motherfucker of a speech.

    He did finally trot out the "Fired up! Ready to go!" line.

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  • deowolfdeowolf is allowed to do that. Traffic.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Dear Shinto-

    Why did you fail America and all our children yet to come?

    kisses,
    concerned

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  • zakkielzakkiel Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I don't get it. How did Clinton get to this point without any charisma whatsoever? Baffling.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    A wave of vandalism hits New Hampshire. Residents shocked to find graffiti of dongs decorating their property. Several other parts report shit on porches.

    As I said before I was really hoping Obama's gaining momentum could get him a generous slice (and the win) in other important states that still lean Hilldog, like California. And I really, really, really don't want to see Hillary go back to being smug, like she was before the Obama surge.

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  • jaserellajaserella Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Fuck yeah Huckabee lost

    He was never expected to win. He was hoping for third, his campaign is very happy right now.

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  • NisslNissl Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Hillary: "My heart is full... I found my own voice." That will be her implicit storyline - that now she's found her real core. She's not as engaging as Obama, and she needs to get rid of the notecards, but she's doing a very competent job. "We are in it for the long run!" Kinda odd to bring that up in a victory speech. "We are in it for the American people." (I thought she was "in it to win it.") New theme "deliver on our promises." She's learned from all of her mistakes re: framing the shot, thanking her family, putting young people behind her, etc.

    I want tips for watching that.

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  • ElkiElki get busy Moderator, ClubPA Mod Emeritus
    edited January 2008
    geckahn wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    What is the next primary? South Carolina?

    Michigan.

    Doesnt count.

    Really? How about Nevada?

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Elki wrote: »
    geckahn wrote: »
    Elki wrote: »
    Sal wrote: »
    What is the next primary? South Carolina?

    Michigan.

    Doesnt count.

    Really? How about Nevada?

    Nevada counts, since they had the Democratic Party's blessing to move their caucus up.

    Michigan and Florida did not, hence they are sending no delegates to the convention. Literally nobody who lives in those states matter. If I lived in, say, Detroit or Miami, I'd be a wee tad peeved at this.

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  • enlightenedbumenlightenedbum Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Nissl wrote: »
    Hillary: "My heart is full... I found my own voice." That will be her implicit storyline - that now she's found her real core. She's not as engaging as Obama, and she needs to get rid of the notecards, but she's doing a very competent job. "We are in it for the long run!" Kinda odd to bring that up in a concession speech. "We are in it for the American people." (I thought she was "in it to win it.") New theme "deliver on our promises." She's learned from all of her mistakes re: framing the shot, thanking her family, putting young people behind her, etc.

    I want tips for watching that.

    It was Obama's Iowa speech rephrased and spoken in a monotone except when she spoke about her own Presidential bid. The woman thinks she's owed this for whatever reason and it drives me nuts. That said, I'll still probably support her over the trolls in the Republican primary.

    Obama's speech was very similar to the Iowa one except with a "yes we can!" theme/section added on at the end. He's so very excellent.

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  • ChopperDaveChopperDave Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    How disappointing. I noticed how Clinton's speech was absolutely mobbed by young women and older people. Not to many young men and twenty-to-thirty-somethings in there, at all.

    I have to wonder what will happen as the primaries move west/south and away from the feminists which seemed to really form the backbone of Clinton's effort here.

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  • DukiDuki Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Rygar wrote: »
    Shit McCain is gonna lose to Romney maybe. Sucks for McCain.

    Not possible at this stage. He's still like 9000 votes up.

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  • LawndartLawndart Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Nissl wrote: »
    Hillary: "My heart is full... I found my own voice." That will be her implicit storyline - that now she's found her real core. She's not as engaging as Obama, and she needs to get rid of the notecards, but she's doing a very competent job. "We are in it for the long run!" Kinda odd to bring that up in a concession speech. "We are in it for the American people." (I thought she was "in it to win it.") New theme "deliver on our promises." She's learned from all of her mistakes re: framing the shot, thanking her family, putting young people behind her, etc.

    I want tips for watching that.

    It was Obama's Iowa speech rephrased and spoken in a monotone except when she spoke about her own Presidential bid. The woman thinks she's owed this for whatever reason and it drives me nuts. That said, I'll still probably support her over the trolls in the Republican primary.

    Obama's speech was very similar to the Iowa one except with a "yes we can!" theme/section added on at the end. He's so very excellent.

    And I know this feeds into the "Hillary Clinton gets critiqued for her fashion sense, that's so misogynist" concept, but I have to go there: Hillary was dressed like a minor character in Jade Empire.

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  • HozHoz Cool Cat Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I officially announce that I am going sexist.

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  • Der Waffle MousDer Waffle Mous Blame this on the misfortune of your birth. New Yark, New Yark.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The guy on MSNBC has the worlds greatest sweater.

    Edit: oh god, and his laugh.

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  • One Thousand CablesOne Thousand Cables An absence of thought Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The guy on MSNBC has the worlds greatest sweater.

    Edit: oh god, and his laugh.

    It is delightful.

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  • Fartacus_the_MightyFartacus_the_Mighty Brought to you by the letter A.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Clinton's lead has fallen below 6000 votes. If Obama ends up with a popular victory, infractions be damned, I will be forced to post an in-line ha ha guy.

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  • HakkekageHakkekage Space Whore Academy summa cum laudeRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I think enlightenedbum hit it on the head. A big part of my distaste for her is the sense of entitlement she seems to project whenever talking about the presidency. It drives me nuts.

    In large part I agree with her policies and her experience. But Jesus Christ if she isn't just inherently repelling.

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  • HboxHbox Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I'm no longer a fan of the 19th amendment. I guess Ann Coulter was right all along.

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  • shrykeshryke Member of the Beast Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Damn, Obama is regaining some ground. I don't think he's gonna win it, but Clinton's lead is getting slimmer.

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