Regarding Move Along, do all the extra drum taps even belong in that song? The opening seems to lineup perfectly on hard and it seems to me on expert they add stuff just to make ti harder.
Regarding Move Along, do all the extra drum taps even belong in that song? The opening seems to lineup perfectly on hard and it seems to me on expert they add stuff just to make ti harder.
Huh, that's a good question. I know for the rest of the song that it lines up note for note, but listening to the main riff, I don't hear what the yellow hits are actually supposed to represent. There's a percussion shaker going in the background, but I don't think that relates to the drummer. Interesting.
Man, the expert drum career is serious business. I managed to scrape by Detroit Rock City and Dead on Arrival tonight (the latter after lots and lots of practice), which finally let me move on to the second-to-last tier. Beating this is going to take forever.
Dead on Arrival is amazingly difficult. I think it should be 2nd-to-last if not last tier itself.
The last tier is pretty ridiculous in terms of difficulty difference as well. Its like you have Tom Sawyer and Flirtin' With Disaster, then you have Next To You and Wont Get Fooled Again, then you have Run To The Hills, then you have Blackened.
Anyway, why isn't Siva last tier? Playing it makes me feel like i've completely forgotten how to play the drums.
For serious. I've been a pretty big Pumpkins fan since high school, and Jimmy's been one of my favorite drummers over the years, health problems and all. I thought I knew this drum part well enough to do a blind attempt in BWT. Used up all three fails/saves before we were even halfway through the song. I passed it in solo tour the following day, but just barely. Part of me has been hoping Geek USA would make the DLC list, but the drum part for it both excites and terribly frightens me. :P
After beating drums on Easy, I finally started on the guitar and mic sections. In practice and tutorials for hte mic, it's saying I'm Amazing and good and so on, but when I go to the tour I fail out every song. I don't move, I don't hold the mic different, it's all the same. I'll go from practice right back to the song and it's another fail out. What am I doing wrong with the mic? I can't be singing wrong every time I go in tour and perfectly in practice.
Also, I FC'd a few songs on Medium for the guitar and there's no indicator of a perfect on the score screens. The opening post says Gold Stars are for Expert only and if they meet a certain score. Did they just say fuck you to the other difficulty using players and leave us with no FC markers?
After beating drums on Easy, I finally started on the guitar and mic sections. In practice and tutorials for hte mic, it's saying I'm Amazing and good and so on, but when I go to the tour I fail out every song. I don't move, I don't hold the mic different, it's all the same. I'll go from practice right back to the song and it's another fail out. What am I doing wrong with the mic? I can't be singing wrong every time I go in tour and perfectly in practice.
Also, I FC'd a few songs on Medium for the guitar and there's no indicator of a perfect on the score screens. The opening post says Gold Stars are for Expert only and if they meet a certain score. Did they just say fuck you to the other difficulty using players and leave us with no FC markers?
Well, the Gold Stars don't denote FCing either -- it's just a certain extra threshold of points above 5 stars (a sixth star, if you will). You can miss notes and still get Gold Stars for a song, and I believe some songs are just mathematically impossible to Gold Star on some instruments. AFAIK the game doesn't have an FC indication on any difficulty.
Also, I can't really speak 100% on how vocals score, but I've found you can get an "okay" or "good" rating and still get a drop in your rock meter. You essentially have to fill the circle indicator up entirely within a phrase in order to keep level or gain on the rock meter; anything else and you'll take a hit on the meter. I forget the terminology used for the best scores, though.
Yeah, a huge turnoff for me with GH3 is the whole boss battles/powerups things. That's not what I'm here to do, and just looks like an extra way to complicate the game, when it's really not warranted.
A huge turn off to me about GH3 was how they complicated everything.
Just play the Killers song they have on there in GH3 and Rock Band on expert, and it's pretty clear which one did a better job of making that song not as hard as can possibly be made when that song is really easy to play on normal guitar.
Yeah, GH3 reminds me in quality of your average user-made custom notecharts. So many unnecessary 3-note chords. And then they have to make the HOPO sections more complicated to make up for their wide as an elephants ass HOPO window. And any time I watch videos for GH3 and look at the actual characters I can't help but laugh as the animators just didn't even try, especially the drummer. Sure its a Guitar game, but the drummer should at least look like hes drumming if they're going to focus the camera on him like they do. And whoever thought Boss Battles belong in a Rhythm game needs to be taken out in the street and shot in the balls.
At this point, I completely don't give a shit about the new Guitar Hero games. Or as my friend put it, Rock Band is the true sequel to GH2. Theres just no need for GH3 when you've got Rock Band. But sadly GH has the name brand recognition and will continue selling like hotcakes despite being a mere fraction of quality of what it once was.
Gold Stars in Expert mode doesn't always mean you get 100% in the song. They ignored the whole 100% FC stuff from previous games.
What tracks are you having problems singing? Even though Say It Ain't So is in the first tier, it isn't the easiest song on the list (at least not on Hard or Expert). Keep an eye on your tracker arrow and aim for raising/dropping your voice pitch. You don't have to yell or sing really loud to hit the phrases.
I came into Rock Band as someone who had never played a Guitar Hero game for any length of time, so I was completely green as per working the guitar controller. I've worked my way from having an okay time of it on Medium, to where I have only three songs on the last tier left on Expert (Highway Star, Flirtin' with Disaster, and motherfucking Green Grass and High Tides -- the first two of these songs aren't even hard for me until it comes to the solos).
I've also finished Vocals on Expert: they were no problem for me at all right from the beginning.
I'd like to tackle drums, but I don't have a chair high enough to allow me to pedal comfortably.
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- Albert Einstein
It's possible the practice might not even be measuring pitch, just giving you a 'you win - A for effort' for making noise. Have you tried intentionally singing off key in the practice? Then again if you are failing easy and medium you might be tone deaf. Its something you can learn to get better at though, and a game like this isn't a bad place to start. At least you know when you are way off key.
I swear people on American Idol and similar singing shows should have to complete a song on Hard on Rockband.
Everyone has to start somewhere. I am medium skill in most songs for singing. Take away that pitch indicator and I would drift way off key though.
My wife can do everything on Expert, but she enjoys hard a lot more because less robotic mimicry is required. But she also spends a lot of time singing and used to sing in a cover band.
I came into Rock Band as someone who had never played a Guitar Hero game for any length of time, so I was completely green as per working the guitar controller. I've worked my way from having an okay time of it on Medium, to where I have only three songs on the last tier left on Expert (Highway Star, Flirtin' with Disaster, and motherfucking Green Grass and High Tides -- the first two of these songs aren't even hard for me until it comes to the solos).
I started late with GH2 (my late I mean I got gh2 not that long before gh3 came out) and STILL can't finish Hard on rockband (flirtin with disaster on hard is all that is left). Slow learner I guess, but its all fun. I enjoy expert a lot more, but struggling a little past the halfway mark there. I'll eventually get it.
Drums I have taken to faster. Again, just 2 songs left on hard and those are mental issues I have with a few patterns where I become leg-dyslexic. One day it will just WORK. I play probably 2 hours 3 times a week. Usually playing the songs I like best instead of the songs I am stuck on in the career. Which probably accounts for me being slow to get past them.
I can come close on some other songs, but theres always that one section that I can't get awesome on for the life of me. Either that or I can't keep a combo at all. :P
This week's DLC: Calling Dr. Love is my favorite. The drums are pretty easy but fun, and the guitar has some cool solos. It isn't my favorite song to sing, though. That goes to Roam. Unfortunately the drums for Roam are exactly the same throughout the entire song, and the guitar was unmemorable. I didn't get We Care A Lot, but I watched the full band video and it didn't look that much fun.
Disruptor: I think they should put Rime of the Ancient Mariner in. What do you think?
I started late with GH2 (my late I mean I got gh2 not that long before gh3 came out) and STILL can't finish Hard on rockband (flirtin with disaster on hard is all that is left). Slow learner I guess, but its all fun. I enjoy expert a lot more, but struggling a little past the halfway mark there. I'll eventually get it.
Drums I have taken to faster. Again, just 2 songs left on hard and those are mental issues I have with a few patterns where I become leg-dyslexic. One day it will just WORK. I play probably 2 hours 3 times a week. Usually playing the songs I like best instead of the songs I am stuck on in the career. Which probably accounts for me being slow to get past them.
For me, RB really highlights the different ways people think and learn. Both my friend and I play the game, myself on guitar or vocals and she on drums. She has an easy time of drums but the guitar baffles her, while I'm exactly the opposite.
Also, using practice mode helps me greatly to get my timing down on the note patterns for songs I'm stuck on, whereas it doesn't seem to benefit her at all.
Lastly, she seems to play songs not so much with the music but by strictly watching the line at the bottom and timing the notes using that, whereas I tend to sync myself up with the song and its rhythm, and keep my eyes farther above the line, playing the notes in step with the music.
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- Albert Einstein
Lastly, she seems to play songs not so much with the music but by strictly watching the line at the bottom and timing the notes using that, whereas I tend to sync myself up with the song and its rhythm, and keep my eyes farther above the line, playing the notes in step with the music.
This is what I do as well, but after playing drums in RB, I started to realize that it's a sign you're getting better at whatever you're doing. I got used to not paying any attention to notes below the top edge of the screen in Guitar Hero, but found while drumming in RB that I couldn't take my eyes off the line for a second. As I've gotten better, I've been able to let my eyes drift higher to anticipate things coming up rather than focusing so much on the timing of individual notes.
So, I take it they just added wrathchild because they had it in GH: 80s?
As a huge Iron Maiden fan, it does make me sad that all of the Maiden songs they've ever chosen for these games blow.
The only song I wasn't crazy about was Wrathchild. Seriously, all the selections have been great. The Trooper, Number of the Beast, and Run to the Hills. All they need to give me now is 2 Minutes to Midnight and we're all set.
I put everything in a duffle bag except my drums and guitar. I sling my guitar on my back and carry my drums. You can fit everything else in a decent sized bag (PS3, cables, mic, controller, guitar dongle, 4 drumset bars, drum feet, drum sticks).
My problem is I have no good way to bring my drum throne or mic stand, hehe.
Tonight I'm going to put together my double-bass circuit and try it out. I'm still not sure if it's going to be easier playing with 2 feet than playing with 1 foot quickly, but it'll be fun to try at least.
I really love this game, but I've sort of hit a wall.
I'm encountering two things that are preventing my progress. Number one, I'm having a helluva time transitioning from medium to hard on guitar. That fifth note just blows my mind. My fingers always seem to be out of place, and I ended up playing one note off for large stretches.
The second thing I can't seem to cope with is strumming. I just failed "The Hand that Feeds You" because of the strumming. It seems like I'm hitting extra notes, because I'm getting credit for everything but I'm still dropping on the meter. Very frustrating.
I really love this game, but I've sort of hit a wall.
I'm encountering two things that are preventing my progress. Number one, I'm having a helluva time transitioning from medium to hard on guitar. That fifth note just blows my mind. My fingers always seem to be out of place, and I ended up playing one note off for large stretches.
The second thing I can't seem to cope with is strumming. I just failed "The Hand that Feeds You" because of the strumming. It seems like I'm hitting extra notes, because I'm getting credit for everything but I'm still dropping on the meter. Very frustrating.
There is a fairly common problem with the strats where it will strum twice if you down strum... try strumming only up and see if that helps. If so, RMA your guitar and get one that works.
As for what DLC I'd like to see, it'd be cool to get some Queen, some Pearl Jam, some Alice In Chains and perhaps even some Beatles, if they could somehow wrangle up the rights.
EDIT: Also, some Tom Petty would be cool.
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"Any fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
- Albert Einstein
I really love this game, but I've sort of hit a wall.
I'm encountering two things that are preventing my progress. Number one, I'm having a helluva time transitioning from medium to hard on guitar. That fifth note just blows my mind. My fingers always seem to be out of place, and I ended up playing one note off for large stretches.
The second thing I can't seem to cope with is strumming. I just failed "The Hand that Feeds You" because of the strumming. It seems like I'm hitting extra notes, because I'm getting credit for everything but I'm still dropping on the meter. Very frustrating.
If you are going up and down, try just slowing down a bit. People over-estimate how fast you have to strum quite a bit.
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I really love this game, but I've sort of hit a wall.
I'm encountering two things that are preventing my progress. Number one, I'm having a helluva time transitioning from medium to hard on guitar. That fifth note just blows my mind. My fingers always seem to be out of place, and I ended up playing one note off for large stretches.
The second thing I can't seem to cope with is strumming. I just failed "The Hand that Feeds You" because of the strumming. It seems like I'm hitting extra notes, because I'm getting credit for everything but I'm still dropping on the meter. Very frustrating.
If you are going up and down, try just slowing down a bit. People over-estimate how fast you have to strum quite a bit.
Also, check to make sure that your strum bar isn't doubletapping. Mine used too and it was a pain. It still does actually but it's very infrequent, where before it used to do it ever single time.
Double tapping should be obvious. you hit the note, like you're suppose to but there's an immediate "plunk" of a missed note following it because it's registering two strums instead of one.
So, I take it they just added wrathchild because they had it in GH: 80s?
As a huge Iron Maiden fan, it does make me sad that all of the Maiden songs they've ever chosen for these games blow.
The only song I wasn't crazy about was Wrathchild. Seriously, all the selections have been great. The Trooper, Number of the Beast, and Run to the Hills. All they need to give me now is 2 Minutes to Midnight and we're all set.
On that note, where the hell is Van Halen?
They need to get some damn masters. I don't know who's singing these songs, but Bruce Dickinson he ain't.
I put everything in a duffle bag except my drums and guitar. I sling my guitar on my back and carry my drums. You can fit everything else in a decent sized bag (PS3, cables, mic, controller, guitar dongle, 4 drumset bars, drum feet, drum sticks).
My problem is I have no good way to bring my drum throne or mic stand, hehe.
Tonight I'm going to put together my double-bass circuit and try it out. I'm still not sure if it's going to be easier playing with 2 feet than playing with 1 foot quickly, but it'll be fun to try at least.
It'll at least make that |||||||||| (read those as horizontal kick bars) passage in And Justice possible. :P I can't believe they expect people to hit that with one pedal, let alone the default RB one.
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This is definitely my 'Jessica' on drums. A real workout that's a lot of fun to play.
I just can't get that song down on Expert. I have a lot of fun on Hard, but Expert is kind of ridiculous.
If ya got a jigsaw you could make a sturdy one out of plywood that would look nice when painted...
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We Care a Lot has become one of my favorite songs to sing, right next to Queen Bitch, Shake, and Synchronicity II.
I did horrible with Roam, though. My dull, monotone voice just can't pull that shit off
Huh, that's a good question. I know for the rest of the song that it lines up note for note, but listening to the main riff, I don't hear what the yellow hits are actually supposed to represent. There's a percussion shaker going in the background, but I don't think that relates to the drummer. Interesting.
Yeah the sudden drops/jumps in pitch can throw you off. Luckily, there's not that many in the song.
I've been thinking of making a 'frame' that I can have go around the whole thing....
Hrm...
the mock bass drum makes my Nerdular Gland twitter, tho.
For serious. I've been a pretty big Pumpkins fan since high school, and Jimmy's been one of my favorite drummers over the years, health problems and all. I thought I knew this drum part well enough to do a blind attempt in BWT. Used up all three fails/saves before we were even halfway through the song. I passed it in solo tour the following day, but just barely. Part of me has been hoping Geek USA would make the DLC list, but the drum part for it both excites and terribly frightens me. :P
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Also, I FC'd a few songs on Medium for the guitar and there's no indicator of a perfect on the score screens. The opening post says Gold Stars are for Expert only and if they meet a certain score. Did they just say fuck you to the other difficulty using players and leave us with no FC markers?
Well, the Gold Stars don't denote FCing either -- it's just a certain extra threshold of points above 5 stars (a sixth star, if you will). You can miss notes and still get Gold Stars for a song, and I believe some songs are just mathematically impossible to Gold Star on some instruments. AFAIK the game doesn't have an FC indication on any difficulty.
Also, I can't really speak 100% on how vocals score, but I've found you can get an "okay" or "good" rating and still get a drop in your rock meter. You essentially have to fill the circle indicator up entirely within a phrase in order to keep level or gain on the rock meter; anything else and you'll take a hit on the meter. I forget the terminology used for the best scores, though.
Yeah, GH3 reminds me in quality of your average user-made custom notecharts. So many unnecessary 3-note chords. And then they have to make the HOPO sections more complicated to make up for their wide as an elephants ass HOPO window. And any time I watch videos for GH3 and look at the actual characters I can't help but laugh as the animators just didn't even try, especially the drummer. Sure its a Guitar game, but the drummer should at least look like hes drumming if they're going to focus the camera on him like they do. And whoever thought Boss Battles belong in a Rhythm game needs to be taken out in the street and shot in the balls.
At this point, I completely don't give a shit about the new Guitar Hero games. Or as my friend put it, Rock Band is the true sequel to GH2. Theres just no need for GH3 when you've got Rock Band. But sadly GH has the name brand recognition and will continue selling like hotcakes despite being a mere fraction of quality of what it once was.
What tracks are you having problems singing? Even though Say It Ain't So is in the first tier, it isn't the easiest song on the list (at least not on Hard or Expert). Keep an eye on your tracker arrow and aim for raising/dropping your voice pitch. You don't have to yell or sing really loud to hit the phrases.
I've also finished Vocals on Expert: they were no problem for me at all right from the beginning.
I'd like to tackle drums, but I don't have a chair high enough to allow me to pedal comfortably.
- Albert Einstein
I swear people on American Idol and similar singing shows should have to complete a song on Hard on Rockband.
Everyone has to start somewhere. I am medium skill in most songs for singing. Take away that pitch indicator and I would drift way off key though.
My wife can do everything on Expert, but she enjoys hard a lot more because less robotic mimicry is required. But she also spends a lot of time singing and used to sing in a cover band.
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I started late with GH2 (my late I mean I got gh2 not that long before gh3 came out) and STILL can't finish Hard on rockband (flirtin with disaster on hard is all that is left). Slow learner I guess, but its all fun. I enjoy expert a lot more, but struggling a little past the halfway mark there. I'll eventually get it.
Drums I have taken to faster. Again, just 2 songs left on hard and those are mental issues I have with a few patterns where I become leg-dyslexic. One day it will just WORK. I play probably 2 hours 3 times a week. Usually playing the songs I like best instead of the songs I am stuck on in the career. Which probably accounts for me being slow to get past them.
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As a huge Iron Maiden fan, it does make me sad that all of the Maiden songs they've ever chosen for these games blow.
Hehe that's the only song I can 100% as well.
I can come close on some other songs, but theres always that one section that I can't get awesome on for the life of me. Either that or I can't keep a combo at all. :P
This week's DLC: Calling Dr. Love is my favorite. The drums are pretty easy but fun, and the guitar has some cool solos. It isn't my favorite song to sing, though. That goes to Roam. Unfortunately the drums for Roam are exactly the same throughout the entire song, and the guitar was unmemorable. I didn't get We Care A Lot, but I watched the full band video and it didn't look that much fun.
Disruptor: I think they should put Rime of the Ancient Mariner in. What do you think?
For me, RB really highlights the different ways people think and learn. Both my friend and I play the game, myself on guitar or vocals and she on drums. She has an easy time of drums but the guitar baffles her, while I'm exactly the opposite.
Also, using practice mode helps me greatly to get my timing down on the note patterns for songs I'm stuck on, whereas it doesn't seem to benefit her at all.
Lastly, she seems to play songs not so much with the music but by strictly watching the line at the bottom and timing the notes using that, whereas I tend to sync myself up with the song and its rhythm, and keep my eyes farther above the line, playing the notes in step with the music.
- Albert Einstein
Holy. Fuck. Yes.
This is what I do as well, but after playing drums in RB, I started to realize that it's a sign you're getting better at whatever you're doing. I got used to not paying any attention to notes below the top edge of the screen in Guitar Hero, but found while drumming in RB that I couldn't take my eyes off the line for a second. As I've gotten better, I've been able to let my eyes drift higher to anticipate things coming up rather than focusing so much on the timing of individual notes.
Brute force
The only song I wasn't crazy about was Wrathchild. Seriously, all the selections have been great. The Trooper, Number of the Beast, and Run to the Hills. All they need to give me now is 2 Minutes to Midnight and we're all set.
On that note, where the hell is Van Halen?
:winky:
My problem is I have no good way to bring my drum throne or mic stand, hehe.
Tonight I'm going to put together my double-bass circuit and try it out. I'm still not sure if it's going to be easier playing with 2 feet than playing with 1 foot quickly, but it'll be fun to try at least.
I just stick it in my back seat...
Walk/Drive around with the drumsticks in your hands so people know you're going to rock out soon.
I tried to send a friend request to that one account it said the friend list was full. I guess we miss out.
I'm encountering two things that are preventing my progress. Number one, I'm having a helluva time transitioning from medium to hard on guitar. That fifth note just blows my mind. My fingers always seem to be out of place, and I ended up playing one note off for large stretches.
The second thing I can't seem to cope with is strumming. I just failed "The Hand that Feeds You" because of the strumming. It seems like I'm hitting extra notes, because I'm getting credit for everything but I'm still dropping on the meter. Very frustrating.
There is a fairly common problem with the strats where it will strum twice if you down strum... try strumming only up and see if that helps. If so, RMA your guitar and get one that works.
EDIT: Also, some Tom Petty would be cool.
- Albert Einstein
If you are going up and down, try just slowing down a bit. People over-estimate how fast you have to strum quite a bit.
Also, check to make sure that your strum bar isn't doubletapping. Mine used too and it was a pain. It still does actually but it's very infrequent, where before it used to do it ever single time.
Double tapping should be obvious. you hit the note, like you're suppose to but there's an immediate "plunk" of a missed note following it because it's registering two strums instead of one.
They need to get some damn masters. I don't know who's singing these songs, but Bruce Dickinson he ain't.
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It'll at least make that |||||||||| (read those as horizontal kick bars) passage in And Justice possible. :P I can't believe they expect people to hit that with one pedal, let alone the default RB one.
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