Keith's idea would be great for an Ultimate DC style spin-off universe. And then it could turn out so great that it would slowly marginalize the regular DC universe causing editorial to come up with bigger and crazier ideas to compete with their own product until it all collapses under the ridiculousness of it all.
except for it to work in an "Ultimate DC universe" it would require said universe to exist for at least a few years
I think DC will -have- to go for something along the lines of an "ultimate" universe, the current mess with multilple worlds and what not is just not "new reader friendly." Starting off fresh with everything properly lined up would be a huge step in the right direction from my pov.
But then I want characters that age five years per every 20 years (at least) and dead people to stay dead.
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Well before Countdown started messing with everything, it would've been easy to turn one of the other 52 into an Earth where things suddenly moved more in real-time. Hell, people are used to the idea with Earth 2 having all the heroes aged, what we need is one where current continuity is what's been aged instead of Silver age continuity.
Or something. I dunno, I don't think DC really cares about keeping a coherent multiverse together at all these days.
Well before Countdown started messing with everything, it would've been easy to turn one of the other 52 into an Earth where things suddenly moved more in real-time. Hell, people are used to the idea with Earth 2 having all the heroes aged, what we need is one where current continuity is what's been aged instead of Silver age continuity.
Or something. I dunno, I don't think DC really cares about keeping a coherent multiverse together at all these days.
Keith's idea would be great for an Ultimate DC style spin-off universe. And then it could turn out so great that it would slowly marginalize the regular DC universe causing editorial to come up with bigger and crazier ideas to compete with their own product until it all collapses under the ridiculousness of it all.
Well before Countdown started messing with everything, it would've been easy to turn one of the other 52 into an Earth where things suddenly moved more in real-time. Hell, people are used to the idea with Earth 2 having all the heroes aged, what we need is one where current continuity is what's been aged instead of Silver age continuity.
Or something. I dunno, I don't think DC really cares about keeping a coherent multiverse together at all these days.
It's not even a year old yet. Wait awhile.
No point in waiting. Prime blew up a few Earths, Monarch blew a few up, and killed some pivotal heroes from different Earths on top of taking things like Gotham by Gaslight, Red Son, and In Darkest Knight making the main elements of those different universes almost completely unworkable.
At this point I'd guess they're going to reunify the multiverse -again- because you can't tell stories for at least 5 universes with no Earth and a ton of others that always have to reference Monarch being a douche to explain why this Earth has no Batman, Wonder Woman, GL, Superman, Blue Beetle, etc.
EDIT In fact, things could have been salvaged if not for Arena killing lots of people and some Earths....maybe. Who knows how many Prime went through before we picked up his story?
Spoiler becomes Batman. Then dies two issues later, with Dan Didio adamantly denying that she was ever a real Batman.
A week later the GirlWonder.org militia marches on DC headquarters and stage a coup.
You didn't read the Geoff Johns interview at Newsarama a couple of weeks back? Johns said that Spoiler was one of Didio's favourite characters but since she was killed before he got the job, he had no choice in the matter. And they're obviously not giving her a monument because they've already brought her back.
And yeah, I'm going to guess the multiverse will be partially reset at the end of Countdown. What the hell is the point of creating a universe around Gotham by Gaslight if you're going to turn Batman, the main bloody character, into a vampire?
There isn't going to be some reset, we've already got two post Countdown alternate Earth books coming out. Obviously there will be changes, and I doubt there will be 52 (or 51) Earths in the wake of everything.
Heres hoping that at the conclusion of Countdown SuperManchild calms down a bit and returns to his old job of kicking reality until all of the stupid crap like the Monarch gets jiggled out of existence and we can have an entire run in the Steampunk DCU.
Heres hoping that at the conclusion of Countdown SuperManchild calms down a bit and returns to his old job of kicking reality until all of the stupid crap like the Monarch gets jiggled out of existence and we can have an entire run in the Steampunk DCU.
No i'm talking "a slight tap here, a kick here and oh look! that retarded piece of 4 year olds MY CHARACTER CAN KILL ALL YOUR CHARACTERS AT ONCE! has completely vanished from continuity, never existed and didn't host a stupid arena death match for reasons that didn't make sense"
i'd like a maxi-series of marvel and dc's universes merging for a year
with various specials and the like attached
daredevil and nightwing butting heads,
batman and spidey cleaning up midtown
oh man that'd rule
It's weird that you should mention that. Just the other day I had a conversation with someone about how awesome it would be if a handful of Marvel characters ended up in the DC universe for a year and vice versa. One of our favourite ideas was Daredevil spending a year in Gotham.
I have no problem with characters ageing and dying and their various sidekicks taking over. In fact I think it makes for brilliant storytelling. I do, however, feel a bit cynical about a Batman R.I.P story showing up less than a year after Captain America was killed off. It feels too much like a "Whoah! Marvel did this and got ~loads~ of publicity! We should do it too!" move.
I am somewhat amused at the thought of Colbert getting Batman's cape though.
That wouldn't work with Marvel because they don't have sidekick/legacy characters like all the major DC heroes are.
They've already done it for Cap.
Sure, but there's no Spider-Kid, Iron-Boy, or Daredevil Jnr and so on.
Well there's Spider-Girl, as in Peter and MJ's daughter in the future, not any of the Spider-women about. But then she lives in an alternative future timeline thing where May's death during the Clone saga actually happened. Which is good, because it means she didn't cease to exist in the wake of OMD.
That wouldn't work with Marvel because they don't have sidekick/legacy characters like all the major DC heroes are.
They've already done it for Cap.
Sure, but there's no Spider-Kid, Iron-Boy, or Daredevil Jnr and so on.
Well there's Spider-Girl, as in Peter and MJ's daughter in the future, not any of the Spider-women about. But then she lives in an alternative future timeline thing where May's death during the Clone saga actually happened. Which is good, because it means she didn't cease to exist in the wake of OMD.
All I have to say, is at the end of BND
There better fucking be a Spiderman/Spidergirl crossover, with the end being a reset of BND(Minus the return of the webshooters. Yes it is a worthless plot device, but more importantly, it has been a longstanding icon that Pete isn't all just olol superpowerz), and the reveal that Baby May still exists.
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Absolutely. I really, really want Peter and May to age over the years and eventually have Mayday and little Ben. What the heck is wrong with that? JSA has loads of second and third generation heroes and that's one of the most awesome books DC are putting out there.
Not to mention the recent revelation in Captain America that Sharon is pregnant, which makes American Dream a remote possibility too
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Cool cover, though.
(I hope this wasn't posted already; I looked through the thread and didn't see it)
It would make comics less confusing ("How is Batman still 30 after 70 years but Dick Grayson is like 28 now?") and actually give stories an edge. Right now we know that Superman won't really die in a story, so any "impending doom" is just superficial.
some of you probably hate this idea but what do you know
Sometimes, I want to punch D.C. in the dick.
For YEARS now, they could of had him slowly aging.
Then kill him.
Then throw him into a Lazurus Pit.
Make some epic story around it, and there you go. You can have 30 year old bruce and 28 year old Dick.
For YEARS now, they could of had him slowly aging.
Then kill him.
Then throw him into a Lazurus Pit.
Make some epic story around it, and there you go. You can have 30 year old bruce and 28 year old Dick.
But Noooo they just ignore it.
Lame as hell.
I want to read that story so bad.
Problem with that is that if you're going to age Bruce you'll have to age everyone else too. Lois? Jimmy? Alfred? Ma and Pa Kent? And so on.
Again, I have no problem with that. Especially if we're going for the general five real years = 1 comic year rule. It's lot like they'll all age and die overnight. I'm very forgiving of time in comics. I'm perfectly willing to forgive The Beatles (or the skrullish versions) being at Sue and Reed's wedding when they have two young children. I understand that comics aren't reality and that maybe DC weren't expecting Bruce and Alfred to still be around several decades later. But there comes a point where suspension of disbelief becomes an excuse not to deal with having older characters around forever and younger characters that never get a chance to grow up.
They need to do something about ages depending on who's writing there's like 10 official timelines ranging from 12 years to 18 years. Which would put Batman at ages ranging from 35-43.
Lazarus Pits have been starring the Batman writers in the face for how long now? Heck even when I watched the cartoons I was thinking "Why wouldn't Bruce take over the operation with Wayne enterprises and take a dip himself?"
Unless he doesn't want to live forever, or be Batman forever (heh). But that too would give him a chance to step aside for Grayson.
Maybe because Lazarus Pits make the user damn insane. And they're kind of overused in the comics, if you ask me. I still dry heave a little every time I think of Lazara.
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except for it to work in an "Ultimate DC universe" it would require said universe to exist for at least a few years
with various specials and the like attached
daredevil and nightwing butting heads,
batman and spidey cleaning up midtown
oh man that'd rule
But then I want characters that age five years per every 20 years (at least) and dead people to stay dead.
Or something. I dunno, I don't think DC really cares about keeping a coherent multiverse together at all these days.
It's not even a year old yet. Wait awhile.
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I'd really want to see Superman and The Sentry interact.
I just want Lobo to get his revenge on that fraggin' bastich Wolverine.
Dangerous thinking this is.
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"It's magic, we don't have to explain it"...?
No point in waiting. Prime blew up a few Earths, Monarch blew a few up, and killed some pivotal heroes from different Earths on top of taking things like Gotham by Gaslight, Red Son, and In Darkest Knight making the main elements of those different universes almost completely unworkable.
At this point I'd guess they're going to reunify the multiverse -again- because you can't tell stories for at least 5 universes with no Earth and a ton of others that always have to reference Monarch being a douche to explain why this Earth has no Batman, Wonder Woman, GL, Superman, Blue Beetle, etc.
EDIT In fact, things could have been salvaged if not for Arena killing lots of people and some Earths....maybe. Who knows how many Prime went through before we picked up his story?
You didn't read the Geoff Johns interview at Newsarama a couple of weeks back? Johns said that Spoiler was one of Didio's favourite characters but since she was killed before he got the job, he had no choice in the matter. And they're obviously not giving her a monument because they've already brought her back.
And yeah, I'm going to guess the multiverse will be partially reset at the end of Countdown. What the hell is the point of creating a universe around Gotham by Gaslight if you're going to turn Batman, the main bloody character, into a vampire?
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You're assuming Monarch survives his battle.
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It's weird that you should mention that. Just the other day I had a conversation with someone about how awesome it would be if a handful of Marvel characters ended up in the DC universe for a year and vice versa. One of our favourite ideas was Daredevil spending a year in Gotham.
I have no problem with characters ageing and dying and their various sidekicks taking over. In fact I think it makes for brilliant storytelling. I do, however, feel a bit cynical about a Batman R.I.P story showing up less than a year after Captain America was killed off. It feels too much like a "Whoah! Marvel did this and got ~loads~ of publicity! We should do it too!" move.
I am somewhat amused at the thought of Colbert getting Batman's cape though.
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Sure, but there's no Spider-Kid, Iron-Boy, or Daredevil Jnr and so on.
Anally.
Well there's Spider-Girl, as in Peter and MJ's daughter in the future, not any of the Spider-women about. But then she lives in an alternative future timeline thing where May's death during the Clone saga actually happened. Which is good, because it means she didn't cease to exist in the wake of OMD.
All I have to say, is at the end of BND
There better fucking be a Spiderman/Spidergirl crossover, with the end being a reset of BND(Minus the return of the webshooters. Yes it is a worthless plot device, but more importantly, it has been a longstanding icon that Pete isn't all just olol superpowerz), and the reveal that Baby May still exists.
take it to the BND/OMD threads
Not to mention the recent revelation in Captain America that Sharon is pregnant, which makes American Dream a remote possibility too
Sometimes, I want to punch D.C. in the dick.
For YEARS now, they could of had him slowly aging.
Then kill him.
Then throw him into a Lazurus Pit.
Make some epic story around it, and there you go. You can have 30 year old bruce and 28 year old Dick.
But Noooo they just ignore it.
Lame as hell.
Seriously. I'm barely able to tolerate the extended bitching and moaning in those threads as it is, much less when it derails other threads.
I want to read that story so bad.
Problem with that is that if you're going to age Bruce you'll have to age everyone else too. Lois? Jimmy? Alfred? Ma and Pa Kent? And so on.
Again, I have no problem with that. Especially if we're going for the general five real years = 1 comic year rule. It's lot like they'll all age and die overnight. I'm very forgiving of time in comics. I'm perfectly willing to forgive The Beatles (or the skrullish versions) being at Sue and Reed's wedding when they have two young children. I understand that comics aren't reality and that maybe DC weren't expecting Bruce and Alfred to still be around several decades later. But there comes a point where suspension of disbelief becomes an excuse not to deal with having older characters around forever and younger characters that never get a chance to grow up.
How is that a problem? There could be another Earth/reality where time moves differently or something. That way, we could have ageless characters too.
Why? That sounds terrible.
Unless he doesn't want to live forever, or be Batman forever (heh). But that too would give him a chance to step aside for Grayson.
Lazarus pits rob the user of their humanity or something every time they are used, which is Ra's is such a bastard now.
Batman would never give up his humanity~
Anally.
They did adress this in Batman Beyond.
Some crazy shit happend to Bruce. Tahlia appeared and gave Bruce some distilled medical form of what the Lazurus Pit is made of, Bruce gets young.
Bruce hates it, because it feels cheap. He's already lived a long life, his days of being batman are over, yada yada.
Then Bruce and Terry fuck shit up and have milkshakes.
Inside of that, there is a possibility of a good story.
Damn that's awesome.