I just want Battlefield 3 already. It it's really on a modified engine from Bad Company, with the high level of personal player customization, then that's all I really need. Imagine the urban maps by the end of the round with that engine, since the engine allows for some really cool building and foliage destructibility. Both teams move into a sprawling city, and as the match goes on, it literally becomes a war zone with the crumbled husks of buildings.
According to 1up, Bad Company is in dire straits at the moment. It doesn't seem to be coming along that well.
The only problem with this game I foresee if using the EA Store/EA Download Manager for the transactions. Their service and their websites are horrible. Utterly horrible. It's a giant mess, you can barely find what you need, you can barely edit your accounts, most of the time it just doesn't make sense. I really can't comprehend or understand their website. It literally left me dumbfounded when I tried to access and manage my account(s).
I will never buy anything again from their EA Store. I recommend no one uses it, especially with that bullshit where you have to re-buy your purchases after six months if you want to download them again - unless you pay for a two year access per each item.
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I just want Battlefield 3 already. It it's really on a modified engine from Bad Company, with the high level of personal player customization, then that's all I really need. Imagine the urban maps by the end of the round with that engine, since the engine allows for some really cool building and foliage destructibility. Both teams move into a sprawling city, and as the match goes on, it literally becomes a war zone with the crumbled husks of buildings.
According to 1up, Bad Company is in dire straits at the moment. It doesn't seem to be coming along that well.
The engine, at least, is pretty cool. The destruction looks quite nice from the videos I've seen. If they keep that for BF3, then I'm happy. Really, watching the city burn and crumble around you in combat with 80 players will be sweet, sweet pleasure.
Maybe they'll cancel it and move resources and personnel to the BF3 project. Get it done faster. I wouldn't mind. Bad Company was console only. I want new Battlefield on my PC.
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Mr Cousins said EA expected 95% of people who played the game never to spend any money.
Hmm, I wonder what kind of stuff they will be charging for?
Gamers will be able to buy items which customise their appearance in the world, but will not be able to seek an advantage through buying weapons.
It doesn't say anything about stat boosts. The FIFA game in Korea allowed users to buy ability boosts. I honestly don't see much cash potential in offering customization based on micropayments. The vast majority of Korean games I have seen that are based on microtransactions usually offer at least some items that give an advantage to spending real money on crap.
I just want Battlefield 3 already. It it's really on a modified engine from Bad Company, with the high level of personal player customization, then that's all I really need. Imagine the urban maps by the end of the round with that engine, since the engine allows for some really cool building and foliage destructibility. Both teams move into a sprawling city, and as the match goes on, it literally becomes a war zone with the crumbled husks of buildings.
According to 1up, Bad Company is in dire straits at the moment. It doesn't seem to be coming along that well.
The engine, at least, is pretty cool. The destruction looks quite nice from the videos I've seen. If they keep that for BF3, then I'm happy. Really, watching the city burn and crumble around you in combat with 80 players will be sweet, sweet pleasure.
Maybe they'll cancel it and move resources and personnel to the BF3 project. Get it done faster. I wouldn't mind. Bad Company was console only. I want new Battlefield on my PC.
Yeah, I agree with everything you've said. I will say though, a new PC BF game on the BFBC engine is probably an inevitability.
Mr Cousins said EA expected 95% of people who played the game never to spend any money.
Hmm, I wonder what kind of stuff they will be charging for?
Gamers will be able to buy items which customise their appearance in the world, but will not be able to seek an advantage through buying weapons.
It doesn't say anything about stat boosts. The FIFA game in Korea allowed users to buy ability boosts. I honestly don't see much cash potential in offering customization based on micropayments. The vast majority of Korean games I have seen that are based on microtransactions usually offer at least some items that give an advantage to spending real money on crap.
That's cool. If they stick to that, that means I won't have to spend a cent. Why would you give a toss what your character model looks like?
Wow, I honestly didn't expect anybody to try and do TF2's specific graphic thing in an FPS (let alone a team-based multiplayer FPS) quite so soon, on account of how blatant of a ripoff it would seem.
Leave it to EA. Though they figured out a nice way around it; it's free, so no one can complain.
The funny thing is EA already publishes Valve's games.. I wonder what Valve's reaction is going to be.
man, ea sure is a bunch of assholes, making a free, accessible game for low end computers with no ads in the game itself with micropayments for things that haven't even been detailed yet
but surely
surely you can see their fangs extending
if only it was on the wii, then everything would be alright
and man, how dare they rip off the art style that valve ripped off from pixar
you gotta wait at least six months before you steal something from somebody, that's the rule
Pixar makes team-based FPS games?
Seriously, when Valve did it, it was something new and original in that genre of videogames. It's readily apparent EA is jumping on the bandwagon now that Valve made $texas with the concept.
and man, how dare they rip off the art style that valve ripped off from pixar
you gotta wait at least six months before you steal something from somebody, that's the rule
Pixar makes team-based FPS games?
no
EVERYONE makes team-based FPS games
Pixar makes big jawed cartoony dudes such as like in TF2
but technically they're ripping off J. C. Leyendecker, so I guess we really oughtta be mad at Pixar for copying the art style of a guy from the 1950's, how dare they.
and man, how dare they rip off the art style that valve ripped off from pixar
you gotta wait at least six months before you steal something from somebody, that's the rule
Pixar makes team-based FPS games?
Seriously, when Valve did it, it was something new and original in that genre of videogames. It's readily apparent EA is jumping on the bandwagon now that Valve made $texas with the concept.
yeah, somebody's copying a popular concept to sell video games
this hasn't been happening since PONG or anything.
There is a big difference between -
"This product that is the same type of product we produce has been very successful recently, maybe if we do something similar, we will also be successful"
and
"Wow, look at this product in a different market to us, it is pretty inspiring, I wonder if we could take aspects of that, and incorporate it into what we are doing."
Not that either of them are flat out bad, I bet valve are pretty proud that they are influential enough to have big name publishers 'copying' their style.
and man, how dare they rip off the art style that valve ripped off from pixar
you gotta wait at least six months before you steal something from somebody, that's the rule
Pixar makes team-based FPS games?
no
EVERYONE makes team-based FPS games
Pixar makes big jawed cartoony dudes such as like in TF2
but technically they're ripping off J. C. Leyendecker, so I guess we really oughtta be mad at Pixar for copying the art style of a guy from the 1950's, how dare they.
Look, there's a difference between "They used the same artstyle as Valve, which is inspired by Pixar and JC Leyendecker" and "They used the same artstyle as Valve, in the same specific genre as Valve, in incredibly short order after Valve."
Defend EA all you want, but before Valve came along, the idea wasn't tested, proven, or possibly even thought of in the right channels. I mean, it's definitely good business sense for EA and they're not doing anything beyond their rights. But it is also a pretty blatant cash-in on TF2's popularity though. (And don't say it's free; they still have a micropayment system to fuel.). There's only one game that has this art-style in this extremely specific genre. It's pretty inescapable where EA is taking their cues from.
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I think we can all agree that there is absolutely nothing new about the concept of this game.
I guess we need to wait and see how the ad/micropayment system will work.
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I'm just trying to say that maybe, just maybe, it isn't EA's latest diabolical plan to steal your firstborn and make your streets run red with the blood of the innocent.
and man, how dare they rip off the art style that valve ripped off from pixar
you gotta wait at least six months before you steal something from somebody, that's the rule
Pixar makes team-based FPS games?
Seriously, when Valve did it, it was something new and original in that genre of videogames. It's readily apparent EA is jumping on the bandwagon now that Valve made $texas with the concept.
yeah, somebody's copying a popular concept to sell video games
this hasn't been happening since PONG or anything.
I don't feel frequency has any bearing on acceptability. It was pretty crappy when tons of companies make knockoff Pong machines to cash in on the original as it is here.
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I'm just trying to say that maybe, just maybe, it isn't EA's latest diabolical plan to steal your firstborn and make your streets run red with the blood of the innocent.
I'm just trying to say that maybe, just maybe, it isn't EA's latest diabolical plan to steal your firstborn and make your streets run red with the blood of the innocent.
You stole that from the Bible.
well most people think of EA as the antichrist so I'm just trying to connect with the audience, here
I'm just trying to say that maybe, just maybe, it isn't EA's latest diabolical plan to steal your firstborn and make your streets run red with the blood of the innocent.
...Did I say it was? Seriously, I didn't say anything other than it was a blatant ripoff (which it darn tootin' is) and that EA has a track record of doing cruddy stuff. Despite the large, and perhaps even unneccassary amount of criticism that EA gets, there's no need to get uber defensive when people don't like their latest tact.
Hell, I don't really give a shit about half of EA's shenanigans (Go ahead and monoplize NFL games.. I don't care.). I just think what they're doing here is way too soon to be seen as anything but a blatant cashin on someone else's idea, and that rubs me the wrong way enough that I wanted to comment on it. I was seriously just surprised that we're seeing TF2 clones this soon. (The game has only been out for what, four months, tops?)
It's free if I'm not paying money from my account or wallet to play the game.
You gloss over the fact that there are micropayments in the game. Meaning, in order to unlock content and play the game, you will need to use money from said account or wallet.
It will likely be akin to one of their multiplayer demos for the vanilla version you can download, and extra maps, classes, and weapons will cost money.
It's free if I'm not paying money from my account or wallet to play the game.
You gloss over the fact that there are micropayments in the game. Meaning, in order to unlock content and play the game, you will need to use money from said account or wallet.
It will likely be akin to one of their multiplayer demos for the vanilla version you can download, and extra maps, classes, and weapons will cost money.
Right. At what point am I forced to pay for those? And I mean forced, not voluntary.
edit: my initial commment was to Scottsman saying that "it's not free". It's as free as you want it to be.
It's free if I'm not paying money from my account or wallet to play the game.
You gloss over the fact that there are micropayments in the game. Meaning, in order to unlock content and play the game, you will need to use money from said account or wallet.
It will likely be akin to one of their multiplayer demos for the vanilla version you can download, and extra maps, classes, and weapons will cost money.
It seems more like they are just charging the crap that makes your character look good right now. It might end up being decent, but I expect the game to turn to shit as soon as any microtransactions that actually give anything other than bling are added.
It's free if I'm not paying money from my account or wallet to play the game.
But it's not free in the sense that EA isn't trying to make money with this (Which would have invalidated my point about how their using a similar concept to TF2 in order to cash in on it's popularity.)
So yes, it can very well be free to the end user. I'll agree with you there.
First, nobody knows what the micropayments consist of.
Second, if it's an EA game and you hate them so much, just don't play the game. EA is not breaking into your house making you pay for their shit.
and third, it's just tiresome to see people jump down EA's throats time and again, even when there's no justifiable reason for it
I think this is justifiable to comment on.
"EA is making a free game" is not really a reason to be angry with them
They only make games because they want your money, dude. You're just giving your dollars to The Man.
edit: Scottsman, yeah, it's not a non-profit scheme for EA, but my point is that people have been saying that if we're going to have advertising in games, or ad-supported games, then these savings should be passed on to the user. Don't fill our games with ads and then expect us to pay for them. Well, now EA are trying that (and yes, there's optional micropayments too), and people are still complaining.
Can't win.
First, nobody knows what the micropayments consist of.
Second, if it's an EA game and you hate them so much, just don't play the game. EA is not breaking into your house making you pay for their shit.
and third, it's just tiresome to see people jump down EA's throats time and again, even when there's no justifiable reason for it
I think this is justifiable to comment on.
"EA is making a free game" is not really a reason to be angry with them
"EA is copying another companies idea to make money" is, however.
Yes, the fact that game can be ultimately free is indeed a good one and is branching out into new and possibly good territory, but that doesn't invalidate that. Fact is they could have not lifted the graphic style from their competitor and still tried the free thing. The fact it's free doesn't factor into that aspect.
First, nobody knows what the micropayments consist of.
Second, if it's an EA game and you hate them so much, just don't play the game. EA is not breaking into your house making you pay for their shit.
and third, it's just tiresome to see people jump down EA's throats time and again, even when there's no justifiable reason for it
I think this is justifiable to comment on.
"EA is making a free game" is not really a reason to be angry with them
"EA is copying another companies idea to make money" is, however.
well, every "sandbox" game from Mafia to Crackdown to Assassin's Creed has copied from Grand Theft Auto in order to make money, so I suppose every company is just a bunch of money grubbing assholes.
"EA to micropayment us to death" is a valid concern, considering their track record for microtransactions in the past (ie: charging additional money for content that's already on the disc). Sure, there are no concrete details to judge at the moment, but in the absence of real details, you look at how they've done it in the past, which is, by all accounts, not well.
The fact that they are doing a TF2 ripoff just makes it look worse.
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I will never buy anything again from their EA Store. I recommend no one uses it, especially with that bullshit where you have to re-buy your purchases after six months if you want to download them again - unless you pay for a two year access per each item.
The engine, at least, is pretty cool. The destruction looks quite nice from the videos I've seen. If they keep that for BF3, then I'm happy. Really, watching the city burn and crumble around you in combat with 80 players will be sweet, sweet pleasure.
Maybe they'll cancel it and move resources and personnel to the BF3 project. Get it done faster. I wouldn't mind. Bad Company was console only. I want new Battlefield on my PC.
Leave it to EA. Though they figured out a nice way around it; it's free, so no one can complain.
The funny thing is EA already publishes Valve's games.. I wonder what Valve's reaction is going to be.
man, ea sure is a bunch of assholes, making a free, accessible game for low end computers with no ads in the game itself with micropayments for things that haven't even been detailed yet
but surely
surely you can see their fangs extending
if only it was on the wii, then everything would be alright
you gotta wait at least six months before you steal something from somebody, that's the rule
don't flay me alive for that one..
but man, these days if you even mention EA people start frothing and barking like rabid dogs
somebody runs a news story "Head Of EA Gets Glass Of Water"
EA IS RUINING WATER
WATER IS GOING TO HAVE YEARLY SEQUELS AND TERRIBLE SOUNDTRACKS
Pixar makes team-based FPS games?
Seriously, when Valve did it, it was something new and original in that genre of videogames. It's readily apparent EA is jumping on the bandwagon now that Valve made $texas with the concept.
no
EVERYONE makes team-based FPS games
Pixar makes big jawed cartoony dudes such as like in TF2
but technically they're ripping off J. C. Leyendecker, so I guess we really oughtta be mad at Pixar for copying the art style of a guy from the 1950's, how dare they.
yeah, somebody's copying a popular concept to sell video games
this hasn't been happening since PONG or anything.
"This product that is the same type of product we produce has been very successful recently, maybe if we do something similar, we will also be successful"
and
"Wow, look at this product in a different market to us, it is pretty inspiring, I wonder if we could take aspects of that, and incorporate it into what we are doing."
Not that either of them are flat out bad, I bet valve are pretty proud that they are influential enough to have big name publishers 'copying' their style.
Look, there's a difference between "They used the same artstyle as Valve, which is inspired by Pixar and JC Leyendecker" and "They used the same artstyle as Valve, in the same specific genre as Valve, in incredibly short order after Valve."
Defend EA all you want, but before Valve came along, the idea wasn't tested, proven, or possibly even thought of in the right channels. I mean, it's definitely good business sense for EA and they're not doing anything beyond their rights. But it is also a pretty blatant cash-in on TF2's popularity though. (And don't say it's free; they still have a micropayment system to fuel.). There's only one game that has this art-style in this extremely specific genre. It's pretty inescapable where EA is taking their cues from.
I guess we need to wait and see how the ad/micropayment system will work.
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I'm just trying to say that maybe, just maybe, it isn't EA's latest diabolical plan to steal your firstborn and make your streets run red with the blood of the innocent.
I don't feel frequency has any bearing on acceptability. It was pretty crappy when tons of companies make knockoff Pong machines to cash in on the original as it is here.
You stole that from the Bible.
and...
The tanks reminds me of Battalion Wars 2.
well most people think of EA as the antichrist so I'm just trying to connect with the audience, here
...Did I say it was? Seriously, I didn't say anything other than it was a blatant ripoff (which it darn tootin' is) and that EA has a track record of doing cruddy stuff. Despite the large, and perhaps even unneccassary amount of criticism that EA gets, there's no need to get uber defensive when people don't like their latest tact.
Hell, I don't really give a shit about half of EA's shenanigans (Go ahead and monoplize NFL games.. I don't care.). I just think what they're doing here is way too soon to be seen as anything but a blatant cashin on someone else's idea, and that rubs me the wrong way enough that I wanted to comment on it. I was seriously just surprised that we're seeing TF2 clones this soon. (The game has only been out for what, four months, tops?)
I think mainly the title pissed me off.
First, nobody knows what the micropayments consist of.
Second, if it's an EA game and you hate them so much, just don't play the game. EA is not breaking into your house making you pay for their shit.
and third, it's just tiresome to see people jump down EA's throats time and again, even when there's no justifiable reason for it
You gloss over the fact that there are micropayments in the game. Meaning, in order to unlock content and play the game, you will need to use money from said account or wallet.
It will likely be akin to one of their multiplayer demos for the vanilla version you can download, and extra maps, classes, and weapons will cost money.
Be careful. When they released 2142 and I defended the game, I was accused of being an EA Shill.
This forum hates EA with all their collective hearts and minds.
Right. At what point am I forced to pay for those? And I mean forced, not voluntary.
edit: my initial commment was to Scottsman saying that "it's not free". It's as free as you want it to be.
I think this is justifiable to comment on.
"EA is making a free game" is not really a reason to be angry with them
It seems more like they are just charging the crap that makes your character look good right now. It might end up being decent, but I expect the game to turn to shit as soon as any microtransactions that actually give anything other than bling are added.
But it's not free in the sense that EA isn't trying to make money with this (Which would have invalidated my point about how their using a similar concept to TF2 in order to cash in on it's popularity.)
So yes, it can very well be free to the end user. I'll agree with you there.
They only make games because they want your money, dude. You're just giving your dollars to The Man.
edit: Scottsman, yeah, it's not a non-profit scheme for EA, but my point is that people have been saying that if we're going to have advertising in games, or ad-supported games, then these savings should be passed on to the user. Don't fill our games with ads and then expect us to pay for them. Well, now EA are trying that (and yes, there's optional micropayments too), and people are still complaining.
Can't win.
"EA is copying another companies idea to make money" is, however.
Yes, the fact that game can be ultimately free is indeed a good one and is branching out into new and possibly good territory, but that doesn't invalidate that. Fact is they could have not lifted the graphic style from their competitor and still tried the free thing. The fact it's free doesn't factor into that aspect.
well, every "sandbox" game from Mafia to Crackdown to Assassin's Creed has copied from Grand Theft Auto in order to make money, so I suppose every company is just a bunch of money grubbing assholes.
The fact that they are doing a TF2 ripoff just makes it look worse.