Dixon is referring to people who set out to write the best story and inadvertantly write the last story by stripping the character of his core characteristics simply because it hasn't been done before, though, and I can't really see how that applies to RIP when the main character of that story doesn't undergo anything on par with Punisher deciding that he can't kill people anymore.
The only thing close to that is
Batman using a gun in Final Crisis and later dying, and I kind of think character death is a separate issue from what Dixon is talking about.
Deaths and resurrections are, after all, as much of a staple of the medium as anything else.
i actually found myself wishing he would have used a few more concrete examples. i understand his reluctance to do so, certainly, but i am curious which stories exactly he feels that way about.
This is something specific creators (re: John Byrne) and some ex-editors (re: Paul Kupperberg, for instance) have railed against for a long, long time. A similar story to the "everyone writes a bad Punisher: The End" is the "everyone pitches a Wonder Woman gets raped" storyline.
This is something specific creators (re: John Byrne) and some ex-editors (re: Paul Kupperberg, for instance) have railed against for a long, long time. A similar story to the "everyone writes a bad Punisher: The End" is the "everyone pitches a Wonder Woman gets raped" storyline.
I don't get the "Wonder Woman gets raped" thing. How is that even possible if she can hold her own against Superman, plus she's a trained bad ass with sweet weapons, and can fly?
This is something specific creators (re: John Byrne) and some ex-editors (re: Paul Kupperberg, for instance) have railed against for a long, long time. A similar story to the "everyone writes a bad Punisher: The End" is the "everyone pitches a Wonder Woman gets raped" storyline.
I don't get the "Wonder Woman gets raped" thing. How is that even possible if she can hold her own against Superman, plus she's a trained bad ass with sweet weapons, and can fly?
No idea - but if ex-DC editors are to be believed, it is a hugely popular pitch for the character.
I don't get the "Wonder Woman gets raped" thing. How is that even possible if she can hold her own against Superman, plus she's a trained bad ass with sweet weapons, and can fly?
This is something specific creators (re: John Byrne) and some ex-editors (re: Paul Kupperberg, for instance) have railed against for a long, long time. A similar story to the "everyone writes a bad Punisher: The End" is the "everyone pitches a Wonder Woman gets raped" storyline.
I don't get the "Wonder Woman gets raped" thing. How is that even possible if she can hold her own against Superman, plus she's a trained bad ass with sweet weapons, and can fly?
How can Superman die?
There's always somebody bigger and stronger, and if there isn't - you just make one up.
And still it goes on. This year J. Bone and myself pitched an all-ages Wonder Woman book aimed at young female readers. In other words, I wanted to give them at least 12 issues of a Wonder Woman book that any parent could give their child. They couldn’t have been less interested.
That sounds like an excellent use of Darwyn Cooke's talents. I would think that by now he's one of those writers where, if he wants to do something, you let him do it.
i actually found myself wishing he would have used a few more concrete examples. i understand his reluctance to do so, certainly, but i am curious which stories exactly he feels that way about.
Well it seemed like an exceedingly blatant crack at the Ultimate Marvel line personally.
i actually found myself wishing he would have used a few more concrete examples. i understand his reluctance to do so, certainly, but i am curious which stories exactly he feels that way about.
Well it seemed like an exceedingly blatant crack at Mark Millar
but the ultimate universe, at least originally, was about stripping the characters down to their core traits and removing that whole mess of continuity
I mean until Loeb and Kirkman got their hands on it the most "controversial" change was turning colossus gay and even then he was, at his core, the same character
eh, it doesn't matter, because the standard captain america was still there, and still had those same characteristics he always did
ultimate spider-man and ultimate fantastic four have honestly stayed closer to the iconic versions of their stars more than the regular versions have though, so if he's taking a shot at the ultimate line he's a little off base unless he's referring to shit like what's happened to ultimate x-men under kirkman, and loeb's piles of shit
i actually found myself wishing he would have used a few more concrete examples. i understand his reluctance to do so, certainly, but i am curious which stories exactly he feels that way about.
Well it seemed like an exceedingly blatant crack at Mark Millar's crack
I can understand the anger; would it kill the guy to share?
And still it goes on. This year J. Bone and myself pitched an all-ages Wonder Woman book aimed at young female readers. In other words, I wanted to give them at least 12 issues of a Wonder Woman book that any parent could give their child. They couldn’t have been less interested.
That sounds like an excellent use of Darwyn Cooke's talents. I would think that by now he's one of those writers where, if he wants to do something, you let him do it.
And this is why comics will die off in two generations.
(Hyperbole, yes, but I can see their userbase shrinking down to practically nothing.)
How are the all-ages DC and Marvel do produce performing in sales?
In the direct market, they tend to sell 5-8,000 copies per month. But from what Marvel's said, their Marvel Adventures line does well in other outlets, like subscriptions and digest sales.
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Like the hero who throws aside all of his moral convictions to make a choice convenient for himself. The hero who gives in because his writer can’t think of a way out for him is common as well.
Like the hero who throws aside all of his moral convictions to make a choice convenient for himself. The hero who gives in because his writer can’t think of a way out for him is common as well.
Certainly seemed like One More Day to me
except in One More Day, the writer (JMS) didn't want to do that either
Like the hero who throws aside all of his moral convictions to make a choice convenient for himself. The hero who gives in because his writer can’t think of a way out for him is common as well.
Certainly seemed like One More Day to me
except in One More Day, the writer (JMS) didn't want to do that either
actually, thats not what JMS had a problem with.
He was on board with OMD to start with, where the disagreement came was that JMS had mapped out a completley seperate Spider-Man history from a certain point that would result in the new status quo, and thats now what Quesada wanted to do. He didn't want a concrete and expansive retcon like that.
hence the "it's magic" nonsense.
The basic structure of the story would have been the same
How are the all-ages DC and Marvel do produce performing in sales?
In the direct market, they tend to sell 5-8,000 copies per month. But from what Marvel's said, their Marvel Adventures line does well in other outlets, like subscriptions and digest sales.
Also libraries. I think we tend to discount these other outlets because we're direct market consumers, but apparently libraries are a growing market for all sorts of comics. This is why Marvel Illustrated books keep coming out.
Terry Moore is off Runaways with issue #9. Hmm. On the one hand his run hasn't been stellar (though i like it), but on the other the book could really do with some stability.
From what I recall, he also focused a lot on the old west characters, most of whom we'll probably never see again. Well, except for plant girl, of course.
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I don't see that at all.
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The only thing close to that is
Deaths and resurrections are, after all, as much of a staple of the medium as anything else.
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The first part of LoEG: Century comes out in April! Well, hopefully. The Black Dossier release was pushed back many times.
I don't get the "Wonder Woman gets raped" thing. How is that even possible if she can hold her own against Superman, plus she's a trained bad ass with sweet weapons, and can fly?
No idea - but if ex-DC editors are to be believed, it is a hugely popular pitch for the character.
Super-strong, flying rapists obviously.
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How can Superman die?
There's always somebody bigger and stronger, and if there isn't - you just make one up.
That sounds like an excellent use of Darwyn Cooke's talents. I would think that by now he's one of those writers where, if he wants to do something, you let him do it.
Well it seemed like an exceedingly blatant crack at the Ultimate Marvel line personally.
I mean until Loeb and Kirkman got their hands on it the most "controversial" change was turning colossus gay and even then he was, at his core, the same character
so I'm not sure how that applies!
ultimate spider-man and ultimate fantastic four have honestly stayed closer to the iconic versions of their stars more than the regular versions have though, so if he's taking a shot at the ultimate line he's a little off base unless he's referring to shit like what's happened to ultimate x-men under kirkman, and loeb's piles of shit
I mean, identity crisis is basically exactly what he's describing there
thats why I edited Mark Millar's name in it's place!
I can understand the anger; would it kill the guy to share?
(Hyperbole, yes, but I can see their userbase shrinking down to practically nothing.)
https://twitter.com/Hooraydiation
In the direct market, they tend to sell 5-8,000 copies per month. But from what Marvel's said, their Marvel Adventures line does well in other outlets, like subscriptions and digest sales.
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except in One More Day, the writer (JMS) didn't want to do that either
actually, thats not what JMS had a problem with.
He was on board with OMD to start with, where the disagreement came was that JMS had mapped out a completley seperate Spider-Man history from a certain point that would result in the new status quo, and thats now what Quesada wanted to do. He didn't want a concrete and expansive retcon like that.
hence the "it's magic" nonsense.
The basic structure of the story would have been the same
Also libraries. I think we tend to discount these other outlets because we're direct market consumers, but apparently libraries are a growing market for all sorts of comics. This is why Marvel Illustrated books keep coming out.
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That's terrible. It seems to boil down to "sell more during this recession or we won't list you"
Small press stuff is really going to suffer.
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Was Runaways/YA: SI any good?
Yup! The art's pretty good too.
I don't like Moore's run, though.
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So do this for me, read the first issue, then wait 2 months and read the 2nd. Then wait 4 months and read the 3rd... See a pattern?
It was a good story but honestly I forgot that Molly punched the Punisher in his first issue. I thought that happened before his story started
the SI issues were ok, but nothing earth shattering.
I liked the wonders, hopefully we'll see more of them one day.