I took a gap year before uni, and spent 3 months in Sri Lanka, on Sri Lankan telly, the only English Language news I could get was Fox News. At the time the big hoo hah about the comic depicting the prophet Mohamed was a big news story.
They had interviewed two people, from both sides of the censorship argument, one was a white middle class media savvy politician, one was a fairly orthodox Muslim Imam.
What I learnt from these interviews are that all muslims are crazy censorship fascists, and are wrong, and also crazy, and that they all condone '9/11'.
The particular Imam they interviewed had some really interesting things to say on the issue, but wasn't media savvy at all. They spent the whole time instead of trying to hear what he had to say, undermining him, and putting words into his mouth. They asked him questions like "do you not think all Muslims have a responsibility to apologise for the 9/11 attacks?" and "people get away with anti Christian opinions all the time, and we don't riot" and "people are rioting, which is violent, and therefore you are contradicting the message of Mohamed". All they asked the other guy was questions like "Are you worried about the children?" and "is freedom of speech good?"
Fuck you Fox news.
It's not that I think you are bad. I just think you are hurting America.
It looks like they've started to take down the reviews section on her books on amazon, as some of them now show no reviews. But the tags are sticking, so if someone wants a book on ignorance hers will be the first to come up.
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I think its hilarious that no one is picking up on the LAST word that actually got said which does pretty much sum up the salient point here: if you are a parent - be active in your kids gaming habits (yes that includes locking up the XBOX/PS3 when you arent at home).
Was their hyperbole in the report - of course. The board is not going to give an AO rating for this game any more than they would give an NC17 rating to a movie that has full frontal. But these are so called academics - if there is a psychologist who also happens to know about vidja games then email FNC and get them to put him on the panel.
Except that the issue taken is their report was completely false. Sure, be a parent, get involved, blah blah. But they're the fucking NEWS, not an advocacy group and every single criticism they had was false. Well, except for the "There's sex in the game" one. But there's no frontal nudity at all and the sex isn't graphic. Like EA said, primetime television is more graphic. So is it okay to completely slander a game so long as you're making a good point once you rake it through the coals?
We /// we have to observe tradition. There has to be some way to turn this around so we can get backi to hating EA for dissolving Origin.
Hmmm ... EA planned a scheme where they would pay Fox News to badmouth a critical success and then EA would ride in like a white knight, defending Mass Effect. Gamers would rejoice and buy three copies of Crysis to celebrate. Nice try, EA - your clever, shadowy PR maneuvers can't fool us!
Except that the issue taken is their report was completely false.
The over-exaggerated the issue. However the base of it is true - it is in the game, it is a violent run-and-gun affair (even if you're blowing away aliens) and it is getting into the hands of kids. Cooper may have been clueless when it came to the game, but I would say the most you can accuse her off is arrogance regarding what she thinks just "must be going on in ME"; if you removed everything she said about ME (which was probably 5% of her entire dialogue - she made some salient points.
Well, yeah - when they take on Fox News, but anyone looks like the good guy there. Satan himself could score some points by writing them a scathing letter.
In all honestly, and in light of recent events, I've come to gain back some respect for EA. This letter is, as has been said before, quite classy. Good on them.
Except that the issue taken is their report was completely false.
The over-exaggerated the issue. However the base of it is true - it is in the game, it is a violent run-and-gun affair (even if you're blowing away aliens) and it is getting into the hands of kids. Cooper may have been clueless when it came to the game, but I would say the most you can accuse her off is arrogance regarding what she thinks just "must be going on in ME"; if you removed everything she said about ME (which was probably 5% of her entire dialogue - she made some salient points.
No.
What was going on in the Fox special is essentially book burning.
Bioware made a creative product, did everything they could to ensure that only people aged 17+, or people whose parents buy it for them, can play it.
If they can control what you watch, hear and play they can control what you think.
Maybe I'm just in a 'fuck you I won't do what you tell me!' mood, but either borne of ignorance, or malicious intent, they are trying to paint a factually inaccurate image of video games, and by extension people who play them.
Edit: This is a good read to counter the "won't anyone think of the children" whilst it is far from perfect, it is closer to being grounded in fact than anything I have seen taking the opposite viewpoint.
Anyone know anything about that study the Fox "expert" was talking about at the end? Something about kids who play video games can't tell the difference between reality and the game?
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can someone copy paste quote the original link's article? I don't know what happened and I don't like clicking out of PA.
i see you request this all the time.
so are you some sort of internet xenophobe? afraid that even though 4 pages of discussion have taken place on the article that is linked that it still might be some sort of bestiality site waiting to scar your mind?
I am very happy that EA is taking a stand against this. Someone has to try and stop the false journalism and while most game developers probably don't have deep enough pockets EA sure does. While I am not a huge fan of EA in what it does this is a step in the right direction. If we could get out the truth about these games maybe at some point down the road Politicians and news agency's won't jump on the Omg sex/violence in games is hurting our children.
Also really how many teenage males out there haven't looked at porn already?
Anyone know anything about that study the Fox "expert" was talking about at the end? Something about kids who play video games can't tell the difference between reality and the game?
Can anyone tell me what I'm meant to do with the nailclippers, the leaflet and the glass bottle? I've been carrying them around for days, but can't seem to get past 'bedroom'. There's also a bar of chocolate on my desk that keeps flashing, but won't let me pick it up. Do I need it later?
Anyone know anything about that study the Fox "expert" was talking about at the end? Something about kids who play video games can't tell the difference between reality and the game?
I asked this back on page 1, and didn't get a response. So I just did some very rudimentary Googling, and I found this, which seems to respond to our question fairly well.
can someone copy paste quote the original link's article? I don't know what happened and I don't like clicking out of PA.
i see you request this all the time.
so are you some sort of internet xenophobe? afraid that even though 4 pages of discussion have taken place on the article that is linked that it still might be some sort of bestiality site waiting to scar your mind?
yeah. pretty much. also, i'm at work. also, i remember lovely times when G&T wasn't linksville/memesville.
can someone copy paste quote the original link's article? I don't know what happened and I don't like clicking out of PA.
i see you request this all the time.
so are you some sort of internet xenophobe? afraid that even though 4 pages of discussion have taken place on the article that is linked that it still might be some sort of bestiality site waiting to scar your mind?
Anyone know anything about that study the Fox "expert" was talking about at the end? Something about kids who play video games can't tell the difference between reality and the game?
I asked this back on page 1, and didn't get a response. So I just did some very rudimentary Googling, and I found this, which seems to respond to our question fairly well.
I wonder if she's seen the studies that calculate the average age of gamers at 33 years old.
I don't know many 60+ year old gamers who might be skewing that average. I certainly know a lot of young kids who play video games, so to bring the average upwards of 30, there have to be A LOT of 30-somethings playing games.
Anyone know anything about that study the Fox "expert" was talking about at the end? Something about kids who play video games can't tell the difference between reality and the game?
I asked this back on page 1, and didn't get a response. So I just did some very rudimentary Googling, and I found this, which seems to respond to our question fairly well.
I wonder if she's seen the studies that calculate the average age of gamers at 33 years old.
I don't know many 60+ year old gamers who might be skewing that average. I certainly know a lot of young kids who play video games, so to bring the average upwards of 30, there have to be A LOT of 30-somethings playing games.
As someone who has an Xbox Live Gold Account let me tell you the average age of gamers is nine.
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Anyone know anything about that study the Fox "expert" was talking about at the end? Something about kids who play video games can't tell the difference between reality and the game?
I asked this back on page 1, and didn't get a response. So I just did some very rudimentary Googling, and I found this, which seems to respond to our question fairly well.
I wonder if she's seen the studies that calculate the average age of gamers at 33 years old.
I don't know many 60+ year old gamers who might be skewing that average. I certainly know a lot of young kids who play video games, so to bring the average upwards of 30, there have to be A LOT of 30-somethings playing games.
As someone who has an Xbox Live Gold Account let me tell you the average age of gamers is nine.
Well, not to argue semantics, but I meant actual age, not social/emotional development level. :P
Anyone know anything about that study the Fox "expert" was talking about at the end? Something about kids who play video games can't tell the difference between reality and the game?
I asked this back on page 1, and didn't get a response. So I just did some very rudimentary Googling, and I found this, which seems to respond to our question fairly well.
I wonder if she's seen the studies that calculate the average age of gamers at 33 years old.
I don't know many 60+ year old gamers who might be skewing that average. I certainly know a lot of young kids who play video games, so to bring the average upwards of 30, there have to be A LOT of 30-somethings playing games.
It was brought up in the Fox clip, however she rebutted it and claims that maybe its the adults that are buying them, but its the kids that are playing them. I mean c'mon, A lot of us hard core gamers will admit to buying games and never getting around to playing them. But she's basically arguing that ALL of us adults are buying games, but somehow magically, our kids snatch them from us and somehow they're the only ones that play them.
Gee, how does that work for me? I'm 32, but no kids. Damn kids not only won't get off my lawn, but they steal my games too!! DAMN YOU KIDS!!!
what's interesting is that it looks like Amazon is censoring some of the reviews again. But It seems like they're axing some of the positive reviews too. I know there were at least a handful of 4 star reviews, but currently there are none.
what's interesting is that it looks like Amazon is censoring some of the reviews again. But It seems like they're axing some of the positive reviews too. I know there were at least a handful of 4 star reviews, but currently there are none.
odd.
They try to keep their censorship fair and balanced.
The cleverly worded ones were. The threats of violence most certainly were not.
Amazon has addresses they can pass onto the police, after all.
Man, sometimes I wish everybody was smart enough to realise when to think things through properly. The amount of threats on the amazon page will paint her as the victim. I wouldn't be surprised if she goes back on Fox crying, saying how evil us gamers are.
Atleast I made it out as though I'd read the book when I bashed it.
The cleverly worded ones were. The threats of violence most certainly were not.
Amazon has addresses they can pass onto the police, after all.
Man, sometimes I wish everybody was smart enough to realise when to think things through properly. The amount of threats on the amazon page will paint her as the victim. I wouldn't be surprised if she goes back on Fox crying, saying how evil us gamers are.
Atleast I made it out as though I'd read the book when I bashed it.
"Tonight on Fox News, Rabid Gamers furious over a factual report that one of our very own conducted along with an expert analysis has resulted in numerous, perhaps thousands of threats from the internets on her book's Amazon.com listing. Here tonight to discuss it is the author herself, the lead spokeswomen from MAVAV, and Dr. Phil."
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edited January 2008
This deal with Mass Effect is representative of all 24 hour news channels in general. They have to fill the time somehow, and do it with stupid stuff like this. Let's not act like this will lead to public protests outside Bioware or EA studios across the country. So idiots get to go on and have not even 30 seconds of fame.
Fox News tries to hide these things behind "the poor children and apple pie." MSNBC, which is becoming more and more the liberal Fox News, tries to blanket everyone not from the northeast or California as Neanderthals. BBC acts pompous in the way they report the news and has a crush on Global Warmi... I mean climate change. CNN is just boring.
Business channels are the only ones worth watching, if it actually came to that. Otherwise stick to reading the news online from multiple outlets to make your opinion.
But really, this is just news channels in general trying to make mountains out of molehills. I mean, it's not everyday we get things that can last forever in this venue like the Duke Lacrosse case or Natalie Holloway. All the news channels are nothing but emotion driven crap.
And really, this forum is pretty liberal. It's not like half the people needed a reason to jump on Fox News anyway.
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edited January 2008
Maybe Fox is realising that TV is dying and are trying to scare parents away from vidya games to try and preserve it.
I'm listening to her radio show right now, to see if she brings it up, but I don't know if she did in the 1st hour.
Edit: and for the record: if she were a zombie she would bite into Pam Anderson because she'd taste like plastic fruit...
Double Edit: http://1079thelink.com/page.cfm?ID=2 Link to listen live
The cleverly worded ones were. The threats of violence most certainly were not.
Amazon has addresses they can pass onto the police, after all.
Man, sometimes I wish everybody was smart enough to realise when to think things through properly. The amount of threats on the amazon page will paint her as the victim. I wouldn't be surprised if she goes back on Fox crying, saying how evil us gamers are.
Atleast I made it out as though I'd read the book when I bashed it.
"Tonight on Fox News, Rabid Gamers furious over a factual report that one of our very own conducted along with an expert analysis has resulted in numerous, perhaps thousands of threats from the internets on her book's Amazon.com listing. Here tonight to discuss it is the author herself, the lead spokeswomen from MAVAV, and Dr. Phil."
don't forget the oh so subtle implication that gamers have ties to Al Qaeda
Anyone know anything about that study the Fox "expert" was talking about at the end? Something about kids who play video games can't tell the difference between reality and the game?
I asked this back on page 1, and didn't get a response. So I just did some very rudimentary Googling, and I found this, which seems to respond to our question fairly well.
So, this is really funny to me, because I wrote the article at Writer Garage, which is the test site for a much bigger site I'm building for fun. Alpha (wordpress.com), beta (code running on local server), live (code pushed to live server that I own). ANYWAYS, I never expected anyone to read it while it was still on wordpress.com. But, I'm actually getting a shitload of page views. But all of this is way offtopic, back to the topic:
It was very difficult to find any fucking information on the study that Cooper Lawrence references, and I highly doubt she has even seen the study. More likely, she read the washington post article about the study. I've been trying to get in touch with Professor Melanie Killen for the past week to find out where I can get a copy of her study, to no avail
Other questions I want to ask her:
Why draw conclusions from a sample size of 100 college students?
Why assume adolescents are the same as 19 year old college males?
Can video games be art?
Can books/movies/theatre/radio/television with stereotypes have the same effect?
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They had interviewed two people, from both sides of the censorship argument, one was a white middle class media savvy politician, one was a fairly orthodox Muslim Imam.
What I learnt from these interviews are that all muslims are crazy censorship fascists, and are wrong, and also crazy, and that they all condone '9/11'.
The particular Imam they interviewed had some really interesting things to say on the issue, but wasn't media savvy at all. They spent the whole time instead of trying to hear what he had to say, undermining him, and putting words into his mouth. They asked him questions like "do you not think all Muslims have a responsibility to apologise for the 9/11 attacks?" and "people get away with anti Christian opinions all the time, and we don't riot" and "people are rioting, which is violent, and therefore you are contradicting the message of Mohamed". All they asked the other guy was questions like "Are you worried about the children?" and "is freedom of speech good?"
Fuck you Fox news.
It's not that I think you are bad. I just think you are hurting America.
Brain hurts...
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Except that the issue taken is their report was completely false. Sure, be a parent, get involved, blah blah. But they're the fucking NEWS, not an advocacy group and every single criticism they had was false. Well, except for the "There's sex in the game" one. But there's no frontal nudity at all and the sex isn't graphic. Like EA said, primetime television is more graphic. So is it okay to completely slander a game so long as you're making a good point once you rake it through the coals?
We /// we have to observe tradition. There has to be some way to turn this around so we can get backi to hating EA for dissolving Origin.
Hmmm ... EA planned a scheme where they would pay Fox News to badmouth a critical success and then EA would ride in like a white knight, defending Mass Effect. Gamers would rejoice and buy three copies of Crysis to celebrate. Nice try, EA - your clever, shadowy PR maneuvers can't fool us!
:P
EDIT: And yes, while I haven't counted, weren't there a lot of bare asses in The Simpsons, Family Guy, and Futurama?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aF16GN8Qfro
The over-exaggerated the issue. However the base of it is true - it is in the game, it is a violent run-and-gun affair (even if you're blowing away aliens) and it is getting into the hands of kids. Cooper may have been clueless when it came to the game, but I would say the most you can accuse her off is arrogance regarding what she thinks just "must be going on in ME"; if you removed everything she said about ME (which was probably 5% of her entire dialogue - she made some salient points.
No.
What was going on in the Fox special is essentially book burning.
Bioware made a creative product, did everything they could to ensure that only people aged 17+, or people whose parents buy it for them, can play it.
If they can control what you watch, hear and play they can control what you think.
Maybe I'm just in a 'fuck you I won't do what you tell me!' mood, but either borne of ignorance, or malicious intent, they are trying to paint a factually inaccurate image of video games, and by extension people who play them.
Edit: This is a good read to counter the "won't anyone think of the children" whilst it is far from perfect, it is closer to being grounded in fact than anything I have seen taking the opposite viewpoint.
i see you request this all the time.
so are you some sort of internet xenophobe? afraid that even though 4 pages of discussion have taken place on the article that is linked that it still might be some sort of bestiality site waiting to scar your mind?
Also really how many teenage males out there haven't looked at porn already?
Can anyone tell me what I'm meant to do with the nailclippers, the leaflet and the glass bottle? I've been carrying them around for days, but can't seem to get past 'bedroom'. There's also a bar of chocolate on my desk that keeps flashing, but won't let me pick it up. Do I need it later?
I asked this back on page 1, and didn't get a response. So I just did some very rudimentary Googling, and I found this, which seems to respond to our question fairly well.
yeah. pretty much. also, i'm at work. also, i remember lovely times when G&T wasn't linksville/memesville.
It's common courtesy to make a decent OP really.
I wonder if she's seen the studies that calculate the average age of gamers at 33 years old.
I don't know many 60+ year old gamers who might be skewing that average. I certainly know a lot of young kids who play video games, so to bring the average upwards of 30, there have to be A LOT of 30-somethings playing games.
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As someone who has an Xbox Live Gold Account let me tell you the average age of gamers is nine.
Well, not to argue semantics, but I meant actual age, not social/emotional development level. :P
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It was brought up in the Fox clip, however she rebutted it and claims that maybe its the adults that are buying them, but its the kids that are playing them. I mean c'mon, A lot of us hard core gamers will admit to buying games and never getting around to playing them. But she's basically arguing that ALL of us adults are buying games, but somehow magically, our kids snatch them from us and somehow they're the only ones that play them.
Gee, how does that work for me? I'm 32, but no kids. Damn kids not only won't get off my lawn, but they steal my games too!! DAMN YOU KIDS!!!
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Video Gaming addictions drive kids to steal: Tonight on Fox news after the Sports.
Followed by a special on Congress' bill to make the purchase of M rated games a federal offense.
EDIT: Hey, look! An article on the rising rates of grass depression!
The cleverly worded ones were. The threats of violence most certainly were not.
Amazon has addresses they can pass onto the police, after all.
odd.
Enlist in Star Citizen! Citizenship must be earned!
They try to keep their censorship fair and balanced.
Man, sometimes I wish everybody was smart enough to realise when to think things through properly. The amount of threats on the amazon page will paint her as the victim. I wouldn't be surprised if she goes back on Fox crying, saying how evil us gamers are.
Atleast I made it out as though I'd read the book when I bashed it.
"Tonight on Fox News, Rabid Gamers furious over a factual report that one of our very own conducted along with an expert analysis has resulted in numerous, perhaps thousands of threats from the internets on her book's Amazon.com listing. Here tonight to discuss it is the author herself, the lead spokeswomen from MAVAV, and Dr. Phil."
Fox News tries to hide these things behind "the poor children and apple pie." MSNBC, which is becoming more and more the liberal Fox News, tries to blanket everyone not from the northeast or California as Neanderthals. BBC acts pompous in the way they report the news and has a crush on Global Warmi... I mean climate change. CNN is just boring.
Business channels are the only ones worth watching, if it actually came to that. Otherwise stick to reading the news online from multiple outlets to make your opinion.
But really, this is just news channels in general trying to make mountains out of molehills. I mean, it's not everyday we get things that can last forever in this venue like the Duke Lacrosse case or Natalie Holloway. All the news channels are nothing but emotion driven crap.
And really, this forum is pretty liberal. It's not like half the people needed a reason to jump on Fox News anyway.
maybe i'm crazy
Edit: and for the record: if she were a zombie she would bite into Pam Anderson because she'd taste like plastic fruit...
Double Edit:
http://1079thelink.com/page.cfm?ID=2 Link to listen live
don't forget the oh so subtle implication that gamers have ties to Al Qaeda
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So, this is really funny to me, because I wrote the article at Writer Garage, which is the test site for a much bigger site I'm building for fun. Alpha (wordpress.com), beta (code running on local server), live (code pushed to live server that I own). ANYWAYS, I never expected anyone to read it while it was still on wordpress.com. But, I'm actually getting a shitload of page views. But all of this is way offtopic, back to the topic:
It was very difficult to find any fucking information on the study that Cooper Lawrence references, and I highly doubt she has even seen the study. More likely, she read the washington post article about the study. I've been trying to get in touch with Professor Melanie Killen for the past week to find out where I can get a copy of her study, to no avail
Other questions I want to ask her:
Why draw conclusions from a sample size of 100 college students?
Why assume adolescents are the same as 19 year old college males?
Can video games be art?
Can books/movies/theatre/radio/television with stereotypes have the same effect?
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