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EA responds to Fox News' attack on Mass Effect.

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  • LovelyLovely Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    To be fair, some local papers can be horrible too. Like the one in my town. Lets just say their views on things are incredibly similar to Fox News. Whenever I read the opinion/editorial page I'm always filled with an intense rage. To the point where I kind of wonder why I keep reading that section...

    (the OTHER "local" paper ain't bad though.)

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  • Gaming-ModuleGaming-Module Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I'm talking your really local paper that focuses on school board and local municipal government, with county and state level stories being the height of their coverage's scope, unless you live in a very large city where there's no market for a paper other than your LA/NY Times, Washington Post, Detroit News or Chicago Tribune equivalent.

    Basically, pay attention to the real local stuff, because it affects you as much as the national stuff, if not more in a lot of cases. Maybe my company is unique, but we also write some great human interest stories and topical government pieces.

    Sorry. Journalism is a sore spot for me, particularly where Fox News is concerned.

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  • TubularLuggageTubularLuggage Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Snork wrote: »
    I think my favorite thing about Fox News is that they just make some outrageous claim (that is usually a really terrible pun), and then just put a question mark after it like that makes it okay.

    This just in - "Black People Will Rob You?"

    I think there was actually something about that on the Daily Show a little while back, saying that apparently a question mark gives you free reign to say whatever the fuck you want and report it as news.

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  • StericaSterica Yes Registered User, Moderator mod
    edited January 2008
    I just watched the original newscast, and I think at this point we can say journalism itself is dead.
    No. Not really. Buy your local LOCAL newspaper if you want to read/support it.
    My local paper is being bought in that Weather Channel deal...

    EDIT: Oh...local LOCAL.

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  • ldrawldraw Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Lovely wrote: »
    To be fair, some local papers can be horrible too. Like the one in my town. Lets just say their views on things are incredibly similar to Fox News. Whenever I read the opinion/editorial page I'm always filled with an intense rage. To the point where I kind of wonder why I keep reading that section...

    (the OTHER "local" paper ain't bad though.)

    What do you think America wants to read/watch/hear:

    a. INSANE SEX ROMP - YOUR KIDS ARE SCREWED!!! EMERGENCY FOREVER!!! EVEN SATAN WONT BUY HIS KID A "SE"XBOX!!
    b. New video game promises intelligently written plot complete with well developed characters and appealing art direction.

    ?

    Holding fast to "values" and "honor" won't keep you out of the red.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    ldraw wrote: »
    Holding fast to "values" and "honor" won't keep you out of the red.

    Therefore journalistic integrity should go out of the window.

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  • chesspiecefacechesspieceface Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    ldraw wrote: »
    Lovely wrote: »
    To be fair, some local papers can be horrible too. Like the one in my town. Lets just say their views on things are incredibly similar to Fox News. Whenever I read the opinion/editorial page I'm always filled with an intense rage. To the point where I kind of wonder why I keep reading that section...

    (the OTHER "local" paper ain't bad though.)

    What do you think America wants to read/watch/hear:

    a. INSANE SEX ROMP - YOUR KIDS ARE SCREWED!!! EMERGENCY FOREVER!!! EVEN SATAN WONT BUY HIS KID A "SE"XBOX!!
    b. New video game promises intelligently written plot complete with well developed characters and appealing art direction.

    ?

    Holding fast to "values" and "honor" won't keep you out of the red.

    Bingo

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  • ldrawldraw Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    ldraw wrote: »
    Holding fast to "values" and "honor" won't keep you out of the red.

    Therefore journalistic integrity should go out of the window.

    It shouldn't but it has (at least in many cases, as we've seen here today).

    Also that link to Fox News Porn was hilarious. :lol: A little bit sad too though...

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  • StraythStrayth Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Strayth wrote: »
    The thing is, EA has to realize at this point that Fox News is making sales for them. Everyone knows Fox News is sensationalist bull, and a cried "boo hoo" from them is either going to make EA look good, or divert consumers to their product.

    Actually, no, not everyone knows that. Sorry to burst your bubble, but you really think soccer moms are going switch off in disgust at how factually dodgy the reporting of a violent and sexual videogame is?

    I don't think soccer moms were in any peril of playing Mass Effect in the first place, nor are they the demograph that would eat up the tripe on Fox News (also saw Faux News above, how clever), but neither of those are a defense - I'll grant you that.

    Either way, I don't think this is any harm to Mass Effect. From what I've seen, negative press on video games is still press, the biggest buyer curve on Mass Effect has already occurred (Christmas), and it still strikes me as just a boredom topic for Fox News.

    Edit: Cracking me up with the links, thanks for those!

    The best argument I've seen so far is that Fox (and -News) has put some worse things than this "Sex scene" on the air, but I still think it's worth noting that anyone who eats up their crap is probably just going to use it to bolster an already existing distrust of games.

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Lovely wrote: »
    To be fair, some local papers can be horrible too. Like the one in my town. Lets just say their views on things are incredibly similar to Fox News. Whenever I read the opinion/editorial page I'm always filled with an intense rage. To the point where I kind of wonder why I keep reading that section...

    (the OTHER "local" paper ain't bad though.)

    All the local papers in my county and the surrounding counties are worse than Fox News. My favorite example was when "NASA" was "shipping uncontained radioative nuclear materials" by train through Saginaw.

    The truth was that a Sault St. Marie company was shipping ingots of raw steel by truck that would be used in another state to build the housing of a nuclear reactor. The report even gave details of the shipping, which resulted in police having to forcibly remove protesters from train tracks to prevent them from being run over by a large shipment of feed grain.

    The only half decent paper I can get delivered is the Detroit Freepress, which isn't that great and is pretty expensive for home delivery here.

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  • RedShellRedShell Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I'm not particularly surprised by what they've said about Mass Effect. Although it baffles me that you have something calling itself "news" when all it does is spout propaganda and whatever the hell they feel like.

    Quoted for adorable naivete. You can't possibly live someplace without a news outlet that spouts propaganda and whatever the hell they feel like, can you?

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  • unknownsome1unknownsome1 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    All sources for news do something stupid at least once in a while and are bias. That's a fact. Doesn't matter if it's CNN, Fox News, or some local newspaper. I rarely watch any news on TV but to me, a person looking for reliable TV journalism should watch multiple networks and NEVER rely on just one.

    I've watched TV news in the past much more than I do now and the other news networks in my opinion are no better than Fox News. I've seen CNN blame violence done by minors on violent content in TV shows and movies.

    As for being bias, while Fox tends to be conservative bias, most of the others tend to be liberal bias. I don't favor any particular news source over others so nobody accuse me of being a Fox News fanboy for posting this but if Fox News were to, let's say, shut down, only its rivals would benefit. Viewers need a variety of sources to understand a situation as much as possible.

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  • ldrawldraw Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Perhaps, but ideally we would live in a world wherein you could access factually accurate news via a single source. It's a bit disheartening to know that we must actively work to cobble together for ourselves an unbiased understanding of current events when news stations such as Fox News ostensibly exist for precisely that reason.

    Obviously this will never happen; despite claims to the contrary, news never really has been (and never really will be) simply a collection of reporters doing some reporting. Even if only by virtue of time constraints (i.e. choosing what is newsworthy and what isn't), news outlets will continue to color their broadcasts, papers, and magazines for decades (perhaps centuries or millenia!) to come.

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  • DisruptorX2DisruptorX2 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    As for being bias, while Fox tends to be conservative bias, most of the others tend to be liberal bias. I don't favor any particular news source over others so nobody accuse me of being a Fox News fanboy for posting this but if Fox News were to, let's say, shut down, only its rivals would benefit. Viewers need a variety of sources to understand a situation as much as possible.

    Yes, a variety of sources that aren't cable news channels. And while CNN is bad, Fox is in its own league.

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  • FantasyrogueFantasyrogue Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    RedShell wrote: »
    I'm not particularly surprised by what they've said about Mass Effect. Although it baffles me that you have something calling itself "news" when all it does is spout propaganda and whatever the hell they feel like.

    Quoted for adorable naivete. You can't possibly live someplace without a news outlet that spouts propaganda and whatever the hell they feel like, can you?

    No news is unbiased. I'm not saying our news is perfectly neutral. Mostly what I mean is that Fox News seems really extreme to me, to an extent I've not really witnessed. There's also a difference between the, say, 8 'o clock news and the programs that follow the news that discuss topics that may have been in the news. But I admit, I don't watch every channel we have every damn day and I know that the different channels ways of presenting news is certainly not always the same.

    But you're free to think me naive, maybe I am. Who knows.

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  • ShadowraithShadowraith Registered User new member
    edited January 2008
    I haven't seen anybody else mention this so far.... if you go to Fox News' website and search for "Mass Effect", it brings up the following articles:

    "The Best Video Games of the Year" (Mass Effect came in at #4)
    "'Mass Effect' Beats Out Other Sci-Fi Shooters" (3.5 stars out of 4 from an AP writer)
    "'Mass Effect' One of the Best Sci-Fi Games Ever" (3.5 stars out of 4 from another AP writer)

    :lol:

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  • HevachHevach Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    RedShell wrote: »
    I'm not particularly surprised by what they've said about Mass Effect. Although it baffles me that you have something calling itself "news" when all it does is spout propaganda and whatever the hell they feel like.

    Quoted for adorable naivete. You can't possibly live someplace without a news outlet that spouts propaganda and whatever the hell they feel like, can you?

    No news is unbiased. I'm not saying our news is perfectly neutral. Mostly what I mean is that Fox News seems really extreme to me, to an extent I've not really witnessed. There's also a difference between the, say, 8 'o clock news and the programs that follow the news that discuss topics that may have been in the news. But I admit, I don't watch every channel we have every damn day and I know that the different channels ways of presenting news is certainly not always the same.

    But you're free to think me naive, maybe I am. Who knows.

    Bias is one thing. Incompetence and lack of fact checking is another.

    Actively lying, admitting it before judges, defending your right to do so even on the airwaves of your own station is another entirely.

    The net result is not the same. Bias can be sorted out, usually without the need for outside sources, because it results in using current footage of Clinton talking about Obama and saying it means something more than it does, not using old footage of Clinton talking about Bush and saying it's about Obama. Incompetence is a bit harder to pin down, but there are clues that there's more than incompetence involved.

    We pretty much have a case study in the matter right here. If you need any further evidence, the blogger that started this Mass Erect SexBox 360 crap had backpedaled twice and eventually outright retracted his statements and fallen back to a more general and nebulous stance on porn in general by the time Fox sniffed the story out.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    You all have probably seen this, but I'll post it just in case:


    Cooper Lawrence, the self-help author who trashed Mass effect, actually watched someone play the game for ~2 hours and has this to say:


    ...Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. "I recognize that I misspoke," she said. "I really regret saying that, and now that I've seen the game and seen the sex scenes it's kind of a joke.

    "Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it's like pornography," she added. "But it's not like pornography. I've seen episodes of 'Lost' that are more sexually explicit."



    This just in:

    Information heard from someone who heard from someone else is not always 100% reliable.

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  • Speed RacerSpeed Racer Scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratch scritch scratchRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Still, big points for her actually admitting that she was wrong.

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  • RoyceSraphimRoyceSraphim Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Samus Aran-The metroid series
    Jill Valentine-Resident Evil
    Jade-Beyond Good and Evil
    Alyx Vance-Half life 2
    Edge-Ace Combat 6

    just thought I should contribute a few minor examples of games that have strong female characters that are not overtly sexualized. I know there are a hell of a lot more but I cannot thing of them right now.

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    .........

    Good grief. Well at least she's apologised for it, I respect that.

    In other news, there should be no surprise that if you want the fairest and most accurate account of a news event, the only thing you can do is take a number of sources and work out your own average. Welcome to the world of historians! No single source will ever be perfect.

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    If she is genuinely sorry (which I have no idea on whether or not she is) she should do everything in her power to communicate the truth to the people that lied to.

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Still, big points for her actually admitting that she was wrong.

    This

    Still, the thing that pissed me off most about it was when she called Keighley "darlin'"

    Pretty sure I was gonna throw up there for a minute

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  • Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Can anyone who has access to the NYT post the full story?

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  • LewiePLewieP Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    bugmenot is awesome
    The Internet hath no fury like a gamer scorned.

    That’s the lesson Fox News and a self-help author learned this week after a program on that channel featured a discussion of the sexual content of the hit video game Mass Effect.

    Bound by global message boards, blogs, chat rooms and of course the games themselves, gamers are perhaps the single most intense subculture on the Internet — fiercely protective of their pastime and at ease with the byways of cyberspace.

    So the game world has been ablaze with indignation since the Fox News program “The Live Desk With Martha MacCallum” said on Monday that Mass Effect, one of the most critically praised games of 2007, contains frontal nudity and explicit depictions of sexual activity. The assertions of virtual lasciviousness first appeared earlier this month among conservative bloggers incensed by brief YouTube clips excerpted from the 30- to 40-hour game.

    Mass Effect, a science fiction game, includes a complicated romantic subplot that is no more risqué in its plot or graphic in its depiction than evening network television.

    To exact their revenge, gamers have turned their vitriol on Cooper Lawrence, an author who appeared to mischaracterize the game when she said: “Here’s how they’re seeing women: They’re seeing them as these objects of desire, as these, you know, hot bodies. They don’t show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality. And it’s a man in this game deciding how many women he wants to be with.”

    In fact Mass Effect allows users to play as either a man or a woman, and the few suggestions of intimate contact occur in the context of a detailed interpersonal story line. Asked on the air by Geoff Keighley of Spike TV whether she had ever played the game, Ms. Lawrence laughed and said, “No.”

    Irate gamers have flooded the page on Amazon.com selling Ms. Lawrence’s most recent book, “The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace With Your Inner Overachiever,” sending its user-generated rating into oblivion.

    By Friday afternoon 412 of the book’s 472 user reviews were the lowest possible rating, one star. Another 48 ratings were for two stars. Only 12 of the ratings were for three stars or higher. In addition, 929 Amazon users had tagged the book with the keyword “ignorant.” Tied for second place with 744 tags were “garbage” and “hypocrisy,” while “hack” and “hypocrite” tied for fourth place with 710 votes. Gamers have also attacked the book on the Barnes & Noble Web site.

    Many of the reviewers admit that they have not read Ms. Lawrence’s book.

    As one Amazon user put it: “I know all about this book but have never fully read it. Why? Due to the overwhelming backlash, I have no choice but to agree with the 1 star ratings. The rumors are rampant that this book was poorly written and poorly researched. So without verifying the contents myself — I give it a 1 star. Good thing video games aren’t judged in this manner — whew!!!”

    On Friday “The Cult of Perfection” was ranked the 346,106th best-selling book on Amazon. Mass Effect, by contrast, has been a hit, selling more than 1.6 million copies since November. An Amazon spokeswoman said the site would soon begin to remove reviews written by users who had clearly not read the book.

    In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

    “Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”

    Electronic Arts, the giant publisher that owns Mass Effect, has asked Fox News for a correction. A Fox News spokesman would say only that Electronic Arts had been offered a chance to appear on the channel. An Electronic Arts spokesman said the company had not yet decided whether to accept the offer.

    By telephone from Edmonton, Alberta, Ray Muzyka, the medical doctor who is chief executive of BioWare, the Electronic Arts studio that made Mass Effect, said: “We’re hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we’re just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth.”

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  • Buzz BuzzBuzz Buzz Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/26/arts/television/26mass.html
    By SETH SCHIESEL
    Published: January 26, 2008

    The Internet hath no fury like a gamer scorned.

    That’s the lesson Fox News and a self-help author learned this week after a program on that channel featured a discussion of the sexual content of the hit video game Mass Effect.

    Bound by global message boards, blogs, chat rooms and of course the games themselves, gamers are perhaps the single most intense subculture on the Internet — fiercely protective of their pastime and at ease with the byways of cyberspace.

    So the game world has been ablaze with indignation since the Fox News program “The Live Desk With Martha MacCallum” said on Monday that Mass Effect, one of the most critically praised games of 2007, contains frontal nudity and explicit depictions of sexual activity. The assertions of virtual lasciviousness first appeared earlier this month among conservative bloggers incensed by brief YouTube clips excerpted from the 30- to 40-hour game.

    Mass Effect, a science fiction game, includes a complicated romantic subplot that is no more risqué in its plot or graphic in its depiction than evening network television.

    To exact their revenge, gamers have turned their vitriol on Cooper Lawrence, an author who appeared to mischaracterize the game when she said: “Here’s how they’re seeing women: They’re seeing them as these objects of desire, as these, you know, hot bodies. They don’t show women as being valued for anything other than their sexuality. And it’s a man in this game deciding how many women he wants to be with.”

    In fact Mass Effect allows users to play as either a man or a woman, and the few suggestions of intimate contact occur in the context of a detailed interpersonal story line. Asked on the air by Geoff Keighley of Spike TV whether she had ever played the game, Ms. Lawrence laughed and said, “No.”

    Irate gamers have flooded the page on Amazon.com selling Ms. Lawrence’s most recent book, “The Cult of Perfection: Making Peace With Your Inner Overachiever,” sending its user-generated rating into oblivion.

    By Friday afternoon 412 of the book’s 472 user reviews were the lowest possible rating, one star. Another 48 ratings were for two stars. Only 12 of the ratings were for three stars or higher. In addition, 929 Amazon users had tagged the book with the keyword “ignorant.” Tied for second place with 744 tags were “garbage” and “hypocrisy,” while “hack” and “hypocrite” tied for fourth place with 710 votes. Gamers have also attacked the book on the Barnes & Noble Web site.

    Many of the reviewers admit that they have not read Ms. Lawrence’s book.

    As one Amazon user put it: “I know all about this book but have never fully read it. Why? Due to the overwhelming backlash, I have no choice but to agree with the 1 star ratings. The rumors are rampant that this book was poorly written and poorly researched. So without verifying the contents myself — I give it a 1 star. Good thing video games aren’t judged in this manner — whew!!!”

    On Friday “The Cult of Perfection” was ranked the 346,106th best-selling book on Amazon. Mass Effect, by contrast, has been a hit, selling more than 1.6 million copies since November. An Amazon spokeswoman said the site would soon begin to remove reviews written by users who had clearly not read the book.

    In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

    “Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”

    Electronic Arts, the giant publisher that owns Mass Effect, has asked Fox News for a correction. A Fox News spokesman would say only that Electronic Arts had been offered a chance to appear on the channel. An Electronic Arts spokesman said the company had not yet decided whether to accept the offer.

    By telephone from Edmonton, Alberta, Ray Muzyka, the medical doctor who is chief executive of BioWare, the Electronic Arts studio that made Mass Effect, said: “We’re hurt. We believe in video games as an art form, and on behalf of the 120 people who poured their blood and tears into this game over three years, we’re just really hurt that someone would misrepresent the game without even playing it. All we can hope for is that people who actually play our games will see the truth.”

    Nope, can't do it. :P

    Yes, good that she actually did some research after the fact and has admitted to being wrong. Gamers didn't really motivate her in the best way to do so, but she still decided to bite the bullet and apologize.

    [edit] Blargh, beaten. But at least mine has the byline. :P

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  • 0blique0blique Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Well, being willing to publicly admit that you're wrong is a good step in the right direction, regardless of whether or not she's being sincere about it, and is unfortunately something that is a little too rare these days.

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  • The_ScarabThe_Scarab Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Don't piss off nerds. Cause we run shit.

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  • bruinbruin Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Don't piss off nerds. Cause we run shit.

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  • SimBenSimBen Hodor? Hodor Hodor.Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    The_Scarab wrote: »
    Don't piss off nerds. Cause we run shit.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWVxI6XZAuE

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  • darleysamdarleysam On my way to UKRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Wow, Fox done got bitchslapped by the NY Times. Good work!

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  • NibbleNibble Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    LewieP wrote: »
    bugmenot is awesome
    In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

    “Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”

    That's the important part, right there. I'm really not sure that I can condone the negative reviews of her book; but I don't particularly feel like objecting, either :P

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  • Buzz BuzzBuzz Buzz Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Her comments that completely mischaracterize the University of Maryland study do still stand, however. I'd like to see her apologize for those, considering it's nigh impossible to draw the conclusion she did from the actual study. I suppose we should settle for this though, since the likelihood of her apologizing again (or the researcher behind the study coming forward to correct matters) is slim to nil.

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  • slash000slash000 Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    It seems amazon and B&N website have cleaned out all of the reviews that were "clearly" written by people that had not read the book.

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  • Zetetic ElenchZetetic Elench Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Buzz Buzz wrote: »
    Her comments that completely mischaracterize the University of Maryland study do still stand, however. I'd like to see her apologize for those, considering it's nigh impossible to draw the conclusion she did from the actual study. I suppose we should settle for this though, since the likelihood of her apologizing again (or the researcher behind the study coming forward to correct matters) is slim to nil.

    What did the original study show? Linky? I'm intrigued.

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  • DodgeBlanDodgeBlan PSN: dodgeblanRegistered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I only watched the original video recently.

    Its simply mind boggling how little all the partys involve care about the truth. Seriously, the gamer clearly explains that there is none of the content in the game that has them spazzing out yet everybody basically ignores him because they have got to reference the research they heard about or make their clever 'luke skywalker meets debbie does dallas' joke.

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  • VoodooVVoodooV Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    I'm surprised they haven't touched the customer-made tags. Some of those are more offensive than even the most vulgar reviews...at least one would think

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  • Buzz BuzzBuzz Buzz Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Buzz Buzz wrote: »
    Her comments that completely mischaracterize the University of Maryland study do still stand, however. I'd like to see her apologize for those, considering it's nigh impossible to draw the conclusion she did from the actual study. I suppose we should settle for this though, since the likelihood of her apologizing again (or the researcher behind the study coming forward to correct matters) is slim to nil.

    What did the original study show? Linky? I'm intrigued.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1421-2005Feb5.html

    Basically, the study takes for granted the assumption that violence and sex in games makes players of those games more likely to engage in those sorts of activities. The researchers showed college students some games, then asked if the content of these games was harmful. The majority of students said no, because it's a video game, not real life. I guess I almost have a problem with it being called a study...it seems more like a glorified survey which the media has of course latched onto.

    But really, how do you look at that survey and say "kids can't tell the difference between video games and reality"? It seems like a bunch of students saying, "Yeah, that's a video game, but I wouldn't do that sort of thing in real life," which is exactly the opposite of what she claimed the study showed on FOX News.

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  • HenroidHenroid Mexican kicked from Immigration Thread Centrism is Racism :3Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Nibble wrote: »
    LewieP wrote: »
    bugmenot is awesome
    In an interview on Friday, Ms. Lawrence said that since the controversy over her remarks erupted she had watched someone play the game for about two and a half hours. “I recognize that I misspoke,” she said. “I really regret saying that, and now that I’ve seen the game and seen the sex scenes it’s kind of a joke.

    “Before the show I had asked somebody about what they had heard, and they had said it’s like pornography,” she added. “But it’s not like pornography. I’ve seen episodes of ‘Lost’ that are more sexually explicit.”

    That's the important part, right there. I'm really not sure that I can condone the negative reviews of her book; but I don't particularly feel like objecting, either :P

    I was quite fond of this:
    As one Amazon user put it: “I know all about this book but have never fully read it. Why? Due to the overwhelming backlash, I have no choice but to agree with the 1 star ratings. The rumors are rampant that this book was poorly written and poorly researched. So without verifying the contents myself — I give it a 1 star. Good thing video games aren’t judged in this manner — whew!!!”

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  • ErchamionErchamion Registered User regular
    edited January 2008
    Buzz Buzz wrote: »

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A1421-2005Feb5.html

    Basically, the study takes for granted the assumption that violence and sex in games makes players of those games more likely to engage in those sorts of activities. The researchers showed college students some games, then asked if the content of these games was harmful. The majority of students said no, because it's a video game, not real life. I guess I almost have a problem with it being called a study...it seems more like a glorified survey which the media has of course latched onto.

    But really, how do you look at that survey and say "kids can't tell the difference between video games and reality"? It seems like a bunch of students saying, "Yeah, that's a video game, but I wouldn't do that sort of thing in real life," which is exactly the opposite of what she claimed the study showed on FOX News.

    It's definitely not a study. It's a few people who have probably never played a video game making the assumption that people that do play video games are mentally unbalanced because of it. When the people participating respond that violence/gore/sex/etc. in video games doesn't harm them because they know that it's not real life the conclusion is drawn that people who play video games have no idea how much their chosen hobby harms them. It's confirmation bias at it's highest. Since they get answers that aren't what they are looking for, they spin them into something else that supports their original assumption.

    I realize I'm stereotyping the researchers, but there are not many gamers that would conclude that games = bad.

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