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Wired Article on Griefing...
Zahaladeen
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...is pretty good. Thought I'd share, since at one point or another we have either A) been griefed or 
griefed someone else in-game.
The part that makes me wince is on page five where these blokes took down an EVE Online titan-class spaceship. This guild found out these blokes spent around $10k on it and then decided to blow it up.
:!!:
Now I've had my fare share of griefing done to me and I have also done my fair share unto others. Hence the joy that comes with a PVP server. But destroying an in-game product that cost someone $10k I don't know who's worse: the blokes who bought it or the blokes who destroyed it.
Anyway, good article, thought I'd share.
http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=1
griefed someone else in-game.The part that makes me wince is on page five where these blokes took down an EVE Online titan-class spaceship. This guild found out these blokes spent around $10k on it and then decided to blow it up.
:!!:Now I've had my fare share of griefing done to me and I have also done my fair share unto others. Hence the joy that comes with a PVP server. But destroying an in-game product that cost someone $10k I don't know who's worse: the blokes who bought it or the blokes who destroyed it.
Anyway, good article, thought I'd share.
http://www.wired.com/gaming/virtualworlds/magazine/16-02/mf_goons?currentPage=1
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I've never played EVE but it looks great - but could you imagine what would happen in games like WOW if your armor or weapon broke then it was lost, never to be wielded again?
Yikes. But three cheers for realism for EVE.
"Made with materials that would have cost $10K". So like, if they "bought gold" then used the "gold" to make it.
I have no idea how EVE functions so that analogy was all i could come up with.
There's a pretty instructive section on that subject in the latest GFW radio podcast. From 51 minutes onwards
http://www.podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3?http://download.gamevideos.com/Podcasts/CGW/012308.mp3
or http://www.1up.com/do/minisite?cId=3148397 23/01/08 episode if that link doesn't work.
There is a semi-official "dollars to isk(EVE internal currency)" rate, though how you get to it is a tad convoluted (the process is that the company that runs EVE sells prepaid timecards, as well as officially allowing said timecards to be traded for isk.)
This article has a good explanation:
(And yes, this puts isk in the uncomfortable position of potentially being a taxable asset (as it has an actual market value.))
So, this is in-game money, then? In that case, all that was invested in the ship was time. If they didn't think they could protect it, they shouldn't have bought it.
Except, as I pointed out, isk can actually be converted to real-world currency in a legitimate transaction.
Anyway, more to the point, all griefers must be decimated.
And total cock-wads.
The guys who lost that titan... /wrists
Not nearly as legendary as the infiltration, suborning, and complete dissolution of a major corp in EVE by an assassin's guild.
That was epic.
I don't really care. The Goons were/are cockwads, yes, but EVE is a game in which it is possible and permissable to destroy other players' ships. There are no laws against destroying someone's EVE ship like there are against destroying someone's real-life property, because you are supposed to be allowed to destroy their ship - otherwise it wouldn't even be possible in the game. Anyone who makes any kind of investment in EVE does so at their own risk.
Please elaborate? Because this sounds cool as hell.
They've posted the story in the G+T EVE thread, but the short version goes that someone ordered a hit on the head of a major corp, taken out with an elite guild that specialized in wetwork. For one year, they infiltrated the the corp, placing key guild members in the corporate structure - the commander of the operation become the corp's No. 2 person. Finally, when they were all in position - they struck. The CEO of the corp was lead into an ambush, her ship (which was one of the best in the game) was obliterated, her pod was destroyed (her dead body was the proof they needed to complete the hit), all the corporate stores were raided, leaving only an empty husk.
As I said...epic.
Angel might know better than me, though. I mainly know about the very straightforward.
Beat'd.
EvE online is Everyone. Vs. Everyone.
There is no real friend. Everyone is your enemy. Alliances are broken on a whim. Raiders specialize in killing and looting you.
It's the Wild West of Space.
They've done a sequel.
Anyone remember the assassination of Lord British?
He actually turned that into an event in Tabula Rasa.
Goonfleet managed to take out a Titan? Awesome.
Like in Dark Age of Camelot? Lots of games have that mechanic. Those were the rules going in.
So I heard. It follows the postulate that if there is something "alive" in an MMORPG, someone, somewhere will try to kill it.
http://eve.klaki.net/heist/
Yeah. I was fucking surprised. But like the article says, it's all about morale. They were playing "Something Awful: The Game" not "EvE Online: My Life"
I don't play a lot of MMO's unless my mates play them - kind of a social MMO player. I played EQ 2, then switched to WOW, and now back to EQ 2. Frankly, I just got sick of all the care-bear game mechanics and yearn for some realism.
I'll be picking up EVE on the way home from work.
Basically, if you're going to grief, shove some artistry into it. Corpse-humping is passe.
Also, the poster that said griefers should be ... decimated, was it? Man, the beauty of EvE is the fact that it encourages griefing. I WISH EvE was as enjoyable to me as WoW is because I don't have a problem with losing my stuff and I love the cutthroat nature of the game.
Also, the fact that wars between corp alliances happen and territory can be lost/gained. How's BoB doing on their stated mission to conquer EvE?
You can't. They stopped distributing hard copies long ago. just go to www.eve-online.com and download the client and sign up.
And as others have pointed out the example they gave in EVE isn't griefing, it's just how the game is.
Noted, thank you sir.
I can see why people see it as a form of "virtual terrorism" if you take it too seriously. Someone just saw years worth of work go up in smoke. I can understand the devastation.